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Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1473	Posted - 2013.12.14 19:14:00 - [1] - Quote I've never thought tanks were fun, but at least before you may only see 1 or 2 in every other match. now there are 5-9 in EVERY match.... as infantry I enjoy fighting infantry, I set my character up to fight infantry ( I also have a proto swarm, but little good that does now) its not that tanks are OP, they aren't. it's not that I don't know how to fight tanks, I do. its that, with only 32 mercs on the field, half of them being tanks now makes this game simply ridiculous and laughable. theres no diversity, theres no strategy, theres no fun. since tanks are so cheap now its all tanks. I just don't find that to be any fun. that's it really.... CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Robocop Junior BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 417	Posted - 2013.12.14 19:25:00 - [2] - Quote I think it is fantastic! My heavy is fun again. Even if my tank goes down I jump out and finish off the tank with my FG.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1474	Posted - 2013.12.14 19:26:00 - [3] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: I think it is fantastic! My heavy is fun again. Even if my tank goes down I jump out and finish off the tank with my FG. lol what a surprise... a tanker saying its fun. I'm speaking from the perspective of non tank drivers.... of course its fun for you, if your a tanker CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 989	Posted - 2013.12.14 19:27:00 - [4] - Quote really for me dust is more fun than ever
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1480	Posted - 2013.12.14 19:29:00 - [5] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: really for me dust is more fun than ever and do you drive a tank? CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Robocop Junior BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 420	Posted - 2013.12.14 19:34:00 - [6] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: I think it is fantastic! My heavy is fun again. Even if my tank goes down I jump out and finish off the tank with my FG. lol what a surprise... a tanker saying its fun. I'm speaking from the perspective of non tank drivers.... of course its fun for you, if your a tanker Lol never tanked. Maybe dabbled in AUR tanks here and there. Main is logi with a heavy and scout alt. If it's boring it's cause you are to used to being a spoiled medium frame who can handle everything. I think it adds some excitement. This game was boring when it was AR 514, now it's a little less stale.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1480	Posted - 2013.12.14 19:36:00 - [7] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: I think it is fantastic! My heavy is fun again. Even if my tank goes down I jump out and finish off the tank with my FG. lol what a surprise... a tanker saying its fun. I'm speaking from the perspective of non tank drivers.... of course its fun for you, if your a tanker Lol never tanked. Maybe dabbled in AUR tanks here and there. Main is logi with a heavy and scout alt. If it's boring it's cause you are to used to being a spoiled medium frame who can handle everything. I think it adds some excitement. This game was boring when it was AR 514, now it's a little less stale. you just said in your first post how if your tank goes down you just forge the other tank....derp? and I am by far some Rambo awesome medium frame... my k/d is like 1.33... so no I wasn't spoiled.... CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1119	Posted - 2013.12.14 19:38:00 - [8] - Quote I agree the spam of almost unkillable tanks has made the game less fun. I am confident that CCP will fix it in time though. Fun > Realism
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1999	Posted - 2013.12.14 19:39:00 - [9] - Quote While I do belive that tanks themselves are boring, I do understand while they are there. Everyone (including pilots) deserves to have their own playstyle. It wouldn't really be nice to tell someone that their playstyle shouldn't be included. And I think that tankers themselves also make this game boring for everyone but themselves. But hey, as long as they are going 60/0 with ease they are satisfied. This point of view is from someone who is both a Tanker & AV. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1481	Posted - 2013.12.14 19:42:00 - [10] - Quote Atiim wrote: While I do belive that tanks themselves are boring, I do understand while they are there. Everyone (including pilots) deserves to have their own playstyle. It wouldn't really be nice to tell someone that their playstyle shouldn't be included. And I think that tankers themselves also make this game boring for everyone but themselves. But hey, as long as they are going 60/0 with ease they are satisfied. This point of view is from someone who is both a Tanker & AV. I am in total agreement with you that everyone deserves to have their own play style... the trouble is CCP has yet to figure out how to include everyone's play style in one build. for this build tanks get to shine, last month it was AR, before that it was flaylocks and MD's.... wouldn't it be nice if everyone could have fun together on a semi balanced battle field? CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.

Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2154	Posted - 2013.12.14 19:52:00 - [11] - Quote Atiim wrote: This point of view is from someone who is both a Tanker & AV. Lawd "He shouldve realized at that point I was lying as I'd already had my morning poo and I don't read newspapers." CB Vet
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4160	Posted - 2013.12.14 19:58:00 - [12] - Quote I have fun when I'm a tanker. I have fun when I'm running Shotgun Scout or a Logi role. I have fun when I"m running AV. Vehicles have always been a core element of DUST, they've always been an important part of the promotional materials for the game, and they're a key battlefield asset. If you don't enjoy them, you're playing the wrong game. Sorry to disappoint, but... can I have your stuff? That isn't to say that everything is perfect and tanks are working exactly as intended in their current form - obviously. I'm just saying that they're MEANT to be on the battlefield, and if you don't like tanks, you don't like one of the key features in DUST. It's worth reconsidering your choice to play if they're that much of a problem for you.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 990	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:00:00 - [13] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: really for me dust is more fun than ever and do you drive a tank? im 100% specced into infantry and av
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1485	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:02:00 - [14] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: That isn't to say that everything is perfect and tanks are working exactly as intended in their current form - obviously. . this is what im saying. I don't know where you got all the other drivel you posted.... so you obviously agree. thatnk you for your post even though all but one sentence was ridiculous nonsense. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 990	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:02:00 - [15] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: I think it is fantastic! My heavy is fun again. Even if my tank goes down I jump out and finish off the tank with my FG. lol what a surprise... a tanker saying its fun. I'm speaking from the perspective of non tank drivers.... of course its fun for you, if your a tanker Lol never tanked. Maybe dabbled in AUR tanks here and there. Main is logi with a heavy and scout alt. If it's boring it's cause you are to used to being a spoiled medium frame who can handle everything. I think it adds some excitement. This game was boring when it was AR 514, now it's a little less stale. you just said in your first post how if your tank goes down you just forge the other tank....derp? and I am by far some Rambo awesome medium frame... my k/d is like 1.33... so no I wasn't spoiled.... actually is it very easy to hop in and out of a mlt tank mid battle i like to run my mlt soma and engage and at some point in the middle of battle hop out and start flinging forge blasts if i find it necessary ..everyone can make mlt tanks dont see what the issue is
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2384	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:05:00 - [16] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: I have fun when I'm a tanker. I have fun when I'm running Shotgun Scout or a Logi role. I have fun when I"m running AV. Vehicles have always been a core element of DUST, they've always been an important part of the promotional materials for the game, and they're a key battlefield asset. If you don't enjoy them, you're playing the wrong game. Sorry to disappoint, but... can I have your stuff? That isn't to say that everything is perfect and tanks are working exactly as intended in their current form - obviously. I'm just saying that they're MEANT to be on the battlefield, and if you don't like tanks, you don't like one of the key features in DUST. It's worth reconsidering your choice to play if they're that much of a problem for you. I like tanks but I hate it when my proto swarms with prof 4 and 3 damage mods (Total cost for my good av fit is 160k) are no where near as effective as a militia tank with 0 SP and costs just over 70k isk. Also not to mention that my proto av fit barely scratches tanks and when I do almost kill them they drive out of my fking lock on range (And before you ask I do wait until kactive modules are down)
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1485	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:06:00 - [17] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: I think it is fantastic! My heavy is fun again. Even if my tank goes down I jump out and finish off the tank with my FG. lol what a surprise... a tanker saying its fun. I'm speaking from the perspective of non tank drivers.... of course its fun for you, if your a tanker Lol never tanked. Maybe dabbled in AUR tanks here and there. Main is logi with a heavy and scout alt. If it's boring it's cause you are to used to being a spoiled medium frame who can handle everything. I think it adds some excitement. This game was boring when it was AR 514, now it's a little less stale. you just said in your first post how if your tank goes down you just forge the other tank....derp? and I am by far some Rambo awesome medium frame... my k/d is like 1.33... so no I wasn't spoiled.... actually is it very easy to hop in and out of a mlt tank mid battle i like to run my mlt soma and engage and at some point in the middle of battle hop out and start flinging forge blasts if i find it necessary ..everyone can make mlt tanks dont see what the issue is lol that's the issue... every one can and is doing it.... not fun... can you say FOTM? who would have thought tanks would ever be fotm? CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Amarrian command AMARR ELITE CORPS 6	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:06:00 - [18] - Quote or.... they make this game like SUPER interesting.... huh, huh? Join the ELITE
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1635	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:08:00 - [19] - Quote What is wrong with having 5 tanks on each side? Most of the time they are too occupied to even look at infantry (at least, I am). Have you seen the trailers? Theirs Vehicles ALL OVER THE PLACE. Vehicles just weren't good enough before to be considered a ig part of the game. But they are!!! Making AV an actual role GÿåTank DriverGÿå
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1485	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:08:00 - [20] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: I have fun when I'm a tanker. I have fun when I'm running Shotgun Scout or a Logi role. I have fun when I"m running AV. Vehicles have always been a core element of DUST, they've always been an important part of the promotional materials for the game, and they're a key battlefield asset. If you don't enjoy them, you're playing the wrong game. Sorry to disappoint, but... can I have your stuff? That isn't to say that everything is perfect and tanks are working exactly as intended in their current form - obviously. I'm just saying that they're MEANT to be on the battlefield, and if you don't like tanks, you don't like one of the key features in DUST. It's worth reconsidering your choice to play if they're that much of a problem for you. I like tanks but I hate it when my proto swarms with prof 4 and 3 damage mods (Total cost for my good av fit is 160k) are no where near as effective as a militia tank with 0 SP and costs just over 70k isk. Also not to mention that my proto av fit barely scratches tanks and when I do almost kill them they drive out of my fking lock on range (And before you ask I do wait until kactive modules are down) wow for once you and I agree on something.... I need to go outside and make sure the world isn't ending CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.

stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 542	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:08:00 - [21] - Quote Nerfed AV + Cheap tanks + glitched nitrous = TANK SPAM but next week they will fix the militia nitrous glitch Nerfed AV + Cheap tanks = TANK SPAM Damn
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1486	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:09:00 - [22] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: What is wrong with having 5 tanks on each side? Most of the time they are too occupied to even look at infantry (at least, I am). Have you seen the trailers? There's Vehicles ALL OVER THE PLACE. Vehicles just weren't good enough before to be considered a ig part of the game. But they are!!! the trailers also suggest large battlefields with more than 16 on a team.... CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2384	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:10:00 - [23] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Nerfed AV + Cheap tanks + glitched nitrous = TANK SPAM but next week they will fix the militia nitrous glitch Nerfed AV + Cheap tanks = TANK SPAM Damn The bug has been fixed for two days now.
danthrax martin Butcher's Nails 16	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:10:00 - [24] - Quote Turret installations are moe important now, but our berries blow them first off the starting line. The turrets have been improved! A few times now ive used them to help squads advance... Am i the the only one that gave up swarms to become an installation gunner? Soldiers Blue in the barren waste, hunting and killing their game.
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2384	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:11:00 - [25] - Quote danthrax martin wrote: Turret installations are moe important now, but our berries blow them first off the starting line. The turrets have been improved! A few times now ive used them to help squads advance... Am i the the only one that gave up swarms to become an installation gunner? Installations? Good thing most tankers take most of them out before they can be used.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1486	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:11:00 - [26] - Quote danthrax martin wrote: Turret installations are moe important now, but our berries blow them first off the starting line. The turrets have been improved! A few times now ive used them to help squads advance... Am i the the only one that gave up swarms to become an installation gunner? too bad a turret cant chase the tank at 200 mph.... CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 105	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:11:00 - [27] - Quote Amarrian command wrote: or.... they make this game like SUPER interesting.... huh, huh? Or you can just admit tanks are FOTM with a nerf in its future. So yes, have your SUPER interesting game....for another 25 days or so. And tanks aren't a core feature; you can't hack null cannons with a tank. So if you could, hop out of your tank so you can show off your godly gun skills instead of padding your K/DR by shooting infantry with no suitable counter AV to put you out of your misery. Demolitions Instructor Event and Calendar Manager-Department of Education (D-UNI)
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 992	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:14:00 - [28] - Quote i mean yeah everyone can do it so do it have some fun stop qqing
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 992	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:15:00 - [29] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: danthrax martin wrote: Turret installations are moe important now, but our berries blow them first off the starting line. The turrets have been improved! A few times now ive used them to help squads advance... Am i the the only one that gave up swarms to become an installation gunner? too bad a turret cant chase the tank at 200 mph.... no but another tank can
Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 105	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:15:00 - [30] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: i mean yeah everyone can do it so do it have some fun stop qqing Yes why not?? I'll remember that when someone asks me to fight with the Minmitar because they are better in FW right now. Bleh....no thank you. Demolitions Instructor Event and Calendar Manager-Department of Education (D-UNI)

Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2384	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:15:00 - [31] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: i mean yeah everyone can do it so do it have some fun stop qqing I have been for the past three days. A lot easier to destroy standard tanks with militia tanks then it is to try and destroy it with proto swarms with prof 4 and 3 damage mods.
TunRa RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 261	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:17:00 - [32] - Quote Multiple level game play is boring! I want COD 514 Thanks CCP Foxfour
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1486	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:18:00 - [33] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: i mean yeah everyone can do it so do it have some fun stop qqing why is a legitimate issue with balance QQ? why are you so invested in this build if you don't tank? doesn't make sense...unless youre lying about not being a tanker, or you just don't play dust and have no clue what youre defending. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1486	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:19:00 - [34] - Quote TunRa wrote: Multiple level game play is boring! I want COD 514 lol you call the tank spam multi level playing? you just made yourself look dumb... grats scrub. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4162	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:22:00 - [35] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: That isn't to say that everything is perfect and tanks are working exactly as intended in their current form - obviously. . this is what im saying. I don't know where you got all the other drivel you posted.... so you obviously agree. thatnk you for your post even though all but one sentence was ridiculous nonsense. You're right. It was complete drivel. You clearly gave me no reason to think you dislike tanks at all. Seymor Krelborn wrote: I've never thought tanks were fun, but at least before you may only see 1 or 2 in every other match. now there are 5-9 in EVERY match.... OH WAIT. Seymor Krelborn wrote: tanks make this game boring Yeah, maybe not so much "drivel" as "actually reading your posts" - you should consider trying it sometime. Reading YOUR OWN POSTS, I mean. It tends to help figure out how you gave the wrong impression. I thought this one was pretty obvious.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1489	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:26:00 - [36] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: That isn't to say that everything is perfect and tanks are working exactly as intended in their current form - obviously. . this is what im saying. I don't know where you got all the other drivel you posted.... so you obviously agree. thatnk you for your post even though all but one sentence was ridiculous nonsense. You're right. It was complete drivel. You clearly gave me no reason to think you dislike tanks at all. Seymor Krelborn wrote: I've never thought tanks were fun, but at least before you may only see 1 or 2 in every other match. now there are 5-9 in EVERY match.... OH WAIT. Seymor Krelborn wrote: tanks make this game boring Yeah, maybe not so much "drivel" as "actually reading your posts" - you should consider trying it sometime. Reading YOUR OWN POSTS, I mean. It tends to help figure out how you gave the wrong impression. I thought this one was pretty obvious. I never said anything about removing tanks. and I meant they are boring in their current iteration. yes I don't like tanks, but I have been playing since January 23rd so obviously tanks haven't infringed on my fun factor till now....why? because they are now no sp spam machines....that's whats not fun... CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 105	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:27:00 - [37] - Quote Lol boring doesn't mean ' I hate tanks.' Demolitions Instructor Event and Calendar Manager-Department of Education (D-UNI)
Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 107	Posted - 2013.12.14 20:39:00 - [38] - Quote Next time anyone says they are 'bored' of Dust, I'll call them a Dust hating heathen. You good sir, have started a wildfire. Demolitions Instructor Event and Calendar Manager-Department of Education (D-UNI)
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4164	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:03:00 - [39] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: I never said anything about removing tanks. and I meant they are boring in their current iteration. Oh, you only meant the CURRENT iteration... Seymor Krelborn wrote: I've never thought tanks were fun, but at least before you may only see 1 or 2 in every other match. now there are 5-9 in EVERY match.... Could have fooled me. Again with the READ YOUR OWN POSTS thing. Not kidding, you really should consider it sometime. Quote: yes I don't like tanks, but I have been playing since January 23rd so obviously tanks haven't infringed on my fun factor till now....why? Really, so when you said "I've never thought tanks were fun" you actually meant to say "I've never found that tanks had a negative impact on fun"? I think there may have been slightly more than a typo in there somewhere. Quote: edit: I should also reiterate that I don't like to PLAY as a tank... its not that I don't like tanks on the field or dislike vehicle mechanics in the game...I mean I don't like using them personally... Oh, so you don't actually have a problem with tanks as long as you're not forced to play as one? Guess what? YOU AREN'T. Good tanks are a valuable asset, but having a team comprised entirely of tanks WILL lose you the match. Good infantry are a valuable asset, but having no tanks will put you at a disadvantage against a good combined-arms team. This sounds to me like they've done things right. You can't win Skirmish or Domination without infantry, and a few good AV players can lock down infantry-friendly areas and prevent enemy tanks from capitalising on their advantages in Ambush as well.
Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 107	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:08:00 - [40] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: I never said anything about removing tanks. and I meant they are boring in their current iteration. Oh, you only meant the CURRENT iteration... [quote=Seymor Krelborn]I've never thought tanks were fun, but at least before you may only see 1 or 2 in every other match. now there are 5-9 in EVERY match.... Could have fooled me. Again with the READ YOUR OWN POSTS thing. Not kidding, you really should consider it sometime. Quote: yes I don't like tanks, but I have been playing since January 23rd so obviously tanks haven't infringed on my fun factor till now....why? Really, so when you said "I've never thought tanks were fun" you actually meant to say "I've never found that tanks had a negative impact on fun"? I think there may have been slightly more than a typo in there somewhere. Quote: AV players can lock down infantry-friendly areas and prevent enemy tanks from capitalising on their advantages in Ambush as well. With what!? The now Roman Candle Swarm launcher? Forge guns don't really intimidate tanks now. You should get some fresh air, or at least share your recreational drug with some of us. Demolitions Instructor Event and Calendar Manager-Department of Education (D-UNI)

Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3270	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:09:00 - [41] - Quote HAVs are pretty much just indestructible nuisances right now. They aren't really much of a threat to anyone who isn't trying to mess with them, but they restrict movement and manage to destroy every supply depot on the map. We used to have a time machine
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 994	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:20:00 - [42] - Quote [/quote] lol that's the issue... every one can and is doing it.... not fun... can you say FOTM? who would have thought tanks would ever be fotm?[/quote] not true just earlier today me and tim and bloody mess were tanking..the enemy had multiple av and tank spammed as well we worked together an took em all on..stomped the enemy tanks bloody was running a maddy yes..and i think timm was in a fw madrugar he is not skilled into it neither am i. i was running a soma...if they blues had worked together they would have stood a chance as is teamwork is op and 3 tanks working together to run a field will always win vs 5 tanks durping around alone..tactics win with tanking play smart not everyone can do it the blue dots in that match tried we stomped em..work together use team work and mlt havs...tank spam wont be a problem unless u suck at tanking
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4165	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:35:00 - [43] - Quote Malek McRoland wrote: Quote: AV players can lock down infantry-friendly areas and prevent enemy tanks from capitalising on their advantages in Ambush as well. With what!? The now Roman Candle Swarm launcher? Forge guns don't really intimidate tanks now. You should get some fresh air, or at least share your recreational drug with some of us. Actually, it's a prescription antipsychotic, but it has an interesting reaction when combined with... you know what, never mind. You know how tanks are really fast? You know how they're also big and fat and hard to turn at high speed? Yeah. Go back and read the part where I said "INFANTRY-FRIENDLY AREAS". If you keep your team in cover, you can force tanks into positions where they can't exploit their straight-line speed advantage. If they don't come to you, they don't get kills, and they lose. If they do come to you, they lose their advantages, those Swarms will hit them, and they'll be forced to pop their resists. When the resistance wears off, you open fire again, and they don't have any more resistance because it's on cooldown. IF (and it's capitalised because it's a very big if) you can keep an enemy tank in range and line of sight, a Forge Gun can brute force its way through resists and can slowly wear down a tank while it's actively repping. Doing so isn't entirely practical, but it can be done. If you have multiple Swarms, and you're hitting an armour tank, you can carve your way through that, too, but again, it's impractical. To be at their most effective, even good tanks need infantry support. To be at their most effective, even good infantry needs vehicle support. If the enemy team only brings tanks, and your team only brings infantry, it's possible to force a situation where they CAN'T win. if the enemy team only brings infantry, you need a combined arms force or an advantage in player skill to guarantee the win.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4165	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:38:00 - [44] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: HAVs are pretty much just indestructible nuisances right now. They aren't really much of a threat to anyone who isn't trying to mess with them, but they restrict movement and manage to destroy every supply depot on the map. About half the matches I've seen as an AV guy have resulted in at least 3 tanks dying, usually at least 2 of which were killed by AV. Every match in which I've brought my tank has resulted in at least 4 tanks dying, one of which has usually (but not always) been my own. Saying "pretty much indestructible" is an exaggeration. And if enemy tanks destroy all the supply depots on the map, they have nowhere to get more ammo. Keep them distracted, make them run out, then murder the driver when he tries to recall. Or wait until he's called in a replacement so murdering him results in a free tank that you can hack.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1497	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:30:00 - [45] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: I never said anything about removing tanks. and I meant they are boring in their current iteration. Oh, you only meant the CURRENT iteration... Seymor Krelborn wrote: I've never thought tanks were fun, but at least before you may only see 1 or 2 in every other match. now there are 5-9 in EVERY match.... Could have fooled me. Again with the READ YOUR OWN POSTS thing. Not kidding, you really should consider it sometime. Quote: yes I don't like tanks, but I have been playing since January 23rd so obviously tanks haven't infringed on my fun factor till now....why? Really, so when you said "I've never thought tanks were fun" you actually meant to say "I've never found that tanks had a negative impact on fun"? I think there may have been slightly more than a typo in there somewhere. Quote: edit: I should also reiterate that I don't like to PLAY as a tank... its not that I don't like tanks on the field or dislike vehicle mechanics in the game...I mean I don't like using them personally... Oh, so you don't actually have a problem with tanks as long as you're not forced to play as one? Guess what? YOU AREN'T. Good tanks are a valuable asset, but having a team comprised entirely of tanks WILL lose you the match. Good infantry are a valuable asset, but having no tanks will put you at a disadvantage against a good combined-arms team. This sounds to me like they've done things right. You can't win Skirmish or Domination without infantry, and a few good AV players can lock down infantry-friendly areas and prevent enemy tanks from capitalising on their advantages in Ambush as well. what a joke you are.....instead of agreeing with me on what you agree on... that tanks need some fixing, you turned this into whether I do or don't like tanks.... what an idiot. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1497	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:33:00 - [46] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: lol that's the issue... every one can and is doing it.... not fun... can you say FOTM? who would have thought tanks would ever be fotm?[/quote] not true just earlier today me and tim and bloody mess were tanking..the enemy had multiple av and tank spammed as well we worked together an took em all on..stomped the enemy tanks bloody was running a maddy yes..and i think timm was in a fw madrugar he is not skilled into it neither am i. i was running a soma...if they blues had worked together they would have stood a chance as is teamwork is op and 3 tanks working together to run a field will always win vs 5 tanks durping around alone..tactics win with tanking play smart not everyone can do it the blue dots in that match tried we stomped em..work together use team work and mlt havs...tank spam wont be a problem unless u suck at tanking[/quote] lol earlier you said you weren't a tanker... now you are.... my point proven again.... only tankers find this fun.... I just got in my militia sica, killed 3 tanks in under 2 minutes ( I have no sp intanks)....there were still about 6 on the map.... just ridiculous.... like I said only tankers find this fun, everyone else doesn't, vehicles are now broken in a whole new and worse way. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1498	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:49:00 - [47] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: really for me dust is more fun than ever and do you drive a tank? im 100% specced into infantry and av ive been reading your older posts.... your a liar.... you have always been into tanks... and you like to spam 60k mlt tanks. don't make me pull the posts out to prove. retain whatever honor you have left and admit you are defending this broken tank mechanic because you are exploiting it... you piece of crap. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Our Deepest Regret The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 379	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:04:00 - [48] - Quote Atiim wrote: While I do belive that tanks themselves are boring, I do understand while they are there. Everyone (including pilots) deserves to have their own playstyle. It wouldn't really be nice to tell someone that their playstyle shouldn't be included. And I think that tankers themselves also make this game boring for everyone but themselves. But hey, as long as they are going 60/0 with ease they are satisfied. This point of view is from someone who is both a Tanker & AV. Where was your tank last night? You were on a bridge spamming swarm shots and dancing left-to-right, right-to-left like a drunken ballerina.
Our Deepest Regret The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 379	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:09:00 - [49] - Quote Malek McRoland wrote: Or you can just admit tanks are FOTM with a nerf in its future. So yes, have your SUPER interesting game....for another 25 days or so. And tanks aren't a core feature; you can't hack null cannons with a tank. So if you could, hop out of your tank so you can show off your godly gun skills instead of padding your K/DR by shooting infantry with no suitable counter AV to put you out of your misery. Tanks aren't a the only ones padding their K/D/R. I've been on teams where the blues were absolutely destroying the reds, but nary an objective was captured. I've lost more than one tank because I've gotten out to cap only to get done in. It is a source of frustration.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 998	Posted - 2013.12.15 13:04:00 - [50] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: i mean yeah everyone can do it so do it have some fun stop qqing why is a legitimate issue with balance QQ? why are you so invested in this build if you don't tank? doesn't make sense...unless youre lying about not being a tanker, or you just don't play dust and have no clue what youre defending. lol i am an ex tanker from closed beta the only hav i have in possesion are mlt i have 300k sp dedicated to havs been speccing in since 1.7 since they are fun again..and 33 million sp specced into infantry..i play this game 4 days a week and have capped out every week since this game started its a legitimate issue becuase mlt tanks arent op..everyone who runs av is just shoddy after a year of having tanks insta pop..they are about but not quiet as hard to kill as they were in chromosome i see no reason for this qq it is unfounded just infantry crying because destroying TANKS is not a cake walk anymore from foot.. well dust isnt supposed to be a cake walk its supposed to be a tactical challenge.. hey and as for mlt tank vs stnd tank..if you recall mlt ar has no problem taking down a stnd suit if the mlt user is better or has the drop on the standard.. same concept applies to tanks..if you suck dont even skill into it gear wont account for your lack of skills fact is there are hundreds of tankers that are used to being insta wiped..and now they arent being insta wiped ..so yeah i expected a tank spamming period after 1.7 if it brought balance..i mean can u blame them? they have had the most up specc for 8 months

Lorhak Gannarsein 702	Posted - 2013.12.15 13:14:00 - [51] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: really for me dust is more fun than ever and do you drive a tank? im 100% specced into infantry and av ive been reading your older posts.... your a liar.... you have always been into tanks... and you like to spam 60k mlt tanks. don't make me pull the posts out to prove. retain whatever honor you have left and admit you are defending this broken tank mechanic because you are exploiting it... you piece of crap. Seymor, stop being an asshole. Pretty sure Mort is a better tanker than me, that's first. I also know that Mort runs a lot of protogear recently, so can't be that hard up on ISK. Finally, I know that Mort's been running a Soma recently. All of these things suggest either no SP into tanks, or very little. EDITed for profanity. >Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown.
Lorhak Gannarsein 702	Posted - 2013.12.15 13:16:00 - [52] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: not true just earlier today me and tim and bloody mess were tanking..the enemy had multiple av and tank spammed as well we worked together an took em all on..stomped the enemy tanks bloody was running a maddy yes..and i think timm was in a fw madrugar he is not skilled into it neither am i. i was running a soma...if they blues had worked together they would have stood a chance as is teamwork is op and 3 tanks working together to run a field will always win vs 5 tanks durping around alone..tactics win with tanking play smart not everyone can do it the blue dots in that match tried we stomped em..work together use team work and mlt havs...tank spam wont be a problem unless u suck at tanking lol earlier you said you weren't a tanker... now you are.... my point proven again.... only tankers find this fun.... I just got in my militia sica, killed 3 tanks in under 2 minutes ( I have no sp intanks)....there were still about 6 on the map.... just ridiculous.... like I said only tankers find this fun, everyone else doesn't, vehicles are now broken in a whole new and worse way.[/quote] I am pretty sure that the stomping squads of AE and Nyain I've bumped into recently aren't tankers, but by their forum posts... Well, they're calling you a liar. >Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1925	Posted - 2013.12.15 13:44:00 - [53] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: as infantry I enjoy fighting infantry As a vehicle pilot i enjoy fighting other vehicle pilots
CommanderBolt Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 426	Posted - 2013.12.15 14:08:00 - [54] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: I've never thought tanks were fun, but at least before you may only see 1 or 2 in every other match. now there are 5-9 in EVERY match.... as infantry I enjoy fighting infantry, I set my character up to fight infantry ( I also have a proto swarm, but little good that does now) its not that tanks are OP, they aren't. it's not that I don't know how to fight tanks, I do. its that, with only 32 mercs on the field, half of them being tanks now makes this game simply ridiculous and laughable. theres no diversity, theres no strategy, theres no fun. since tanks are so cheap now its all tanks. I just don't find that to be any fun. that's it really.... Where you see a bore in the game, I have now seen amazing tank battles! Where the way you fit your tank REALLY bears how well you do. I roll in my triple rep tank, other tanks with blaster stand no chance to my might. YET if I run into a well positioned railgun tank or ESPECIALLY a missile tank - those tanks have enough raw volley to cut right through my reps before they can start to repair me. Besides has anyone else noticed how much damage warbarge strikes do now? I was hit with 1 single 'bolt' of the warbarge strike the other day, I had full health and according to the death screen that single bolt of warbarge strike did 12000+ damage to me! In the past I could take a few hits, now one direct hit is enough to total my HAV.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1951	Posted - 2013.12.15 14:11:00 - [55] - Quote I played a match yesterday, skirmish map on iron delta, no tanks were used by anyone, one guy on the other team used AUR proto gear, it was the most fun match ever!!!!!! There was truly good gun game that match!!!! "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
The Attorney General 1675	Posted - 2013.12.15 14:43:00 - [56] - Quote Malek McRoland wrote: With what!? The now Roman Candle Swarm launcher? Forge guns don't really intimidate tanks now. You should get some fresh air, or at least share your recreational drug with some of us. Forge guns don't intimidate tanks? Yet another winner from D-UNI. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1003	Posted - 2013.12.15 16:44:00 - [57] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: really for me dust is more fun than ever and do you drive a tank? im 100% specced into infantry and av ive been reading your older posts.... your a liar.... you have always been into tanks... and you like to spam 60k mlt tanks. don't make me pull the posts out to prove. retain whatever honor you have left and admit you are defending this broken tank mechanic because you are exploiting it... you piece of crap. 1 i have never can can never be accused of using the fotm i didnt touch flaylock 2 i removed my tac ar from my suit each time it was op..and i rarely even use the duvoulle 3 i havnt been able to enjoy tanking for a long time i used to be a dedicated tanker..i have both av and i have no problem killing any tank in dust 514 4 if anything you could say i am a avid under powered weapon promoter thats why my amar assault carries a lr instead of a scr 5 it is not exploiting a broken game mechanic tanks are not broken av is not broken i use both i get kill with both and yes i spamm a 60k tank because generally i dont feel the need to pull anything better. the fact is i am an ex closed beta tanker that has all her sp into infantry,..infantry is miserable tanks just went from being miserable to fun...so sue me for having fun in dust.. you think its easy to pull high scores ina mlt tank go try see how far you get if you cannot manage gtfo
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1003	Posted - 2013.12.15 16:50:00 - [58] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: really for me dust is more fun than ever and do you drive a tank? im 100% specced into infantry and av ive been reading your older posts.... your a liar.... you have always been into tanks... and you like to spam 60k mlt tanks. don't make me pull the posts out to prove. retain whatever honor you have left and admit you are defending this broken tank mechanic because you are exploiting it... you piece of crap. Seymor, stop being an asshole. Pretty sure Mort is a better tanker than me, that's first. I also know that Mort runs a lot of protogear recently, so can't be that hard up on ISK. Finally, I know that Mort's been running a Soma recently. All of these things suggest either no SP into tanks, or very little. EDITed for profanity. i have 300ksp into tanks old friend just this weeks grind lol, yes i am funding my 3 200k and over proto suits with my 56 k soma spam now xD finally tanking is valid and i can make money off it like i used to. i am speccing back into tanks slowly but if people are but hurt atm its only because they were to scrubby to handle a soma and at best loth we are equals :) although i appreciate the compliment
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1003	Posted - 2013.12.15 16:51:00 - [59] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: as infantry I enjoy fighting infantry As a vehicle pilot i enjoy fighting other vehicle pilots ahh takahiro the sweet taste on your lips when you crush a stnd hav with a mlt hav :) and straight up out skill the poor newb tanker
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8878	Posted - 2013.12.15 16:54:00 - [60] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: as infantry I enjoy fighting infantry As a vehicle pilot i enjoy fighting other vehicle pilots What you call vehicle pilots I call scrubs in militia tanks with no SP invested who are doing just as well as people who are actually tankers. Vids / O7

Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1003	Posted - 2013.12.15 16:58:00 - [61] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: as infantry I enjoy fighting infantry As a vehicle pilot i enjoy fighting other vehicle pilots What you call vehicle pilots I call scrubs in militia tanks with no SP invested who are doing just as well as people who are actually tankers. yeah personal gun game knowledge of dust 514 maps and how tanking runs in dust from old closed beta times will account for more than one lvl difference in gear. if tankers are being beaten by mlt tanks in 1v1 its because said mlt tanker are better at tanking than they are pur and simple..you had better gear there was no interruption you lost... you dont see all the adv suit user crying that they killed by proto suits..1lvl difference..you see mlt scrubs crying that they got stomped by proto 4 lvls higher than them. and sometime you see vets in stnd or adv gear killing proto's you dont say omg nerf adv and stnd gear you go wow that dudes good. i dunno why its any different when it comes to tanks. people who fight and pull solid scores in mly tanks vs stnd just have better skills
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8880	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:02:00 - [62] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: as infantry I enjoy fighting infantry As a vehicle pilot i enjoy fighting other vehicle pilots What you call vehicle pilots I call scrubs in militia tanks with no SP invested who are doing just as well as people who are actually tankers. yeah personal gun game knowledge of dust 514 maps and how tanking runs in dust from old closed beta times will account for more than one lvl difference in gear. if tankers are being beaten by mlt tanks in 1v1 its because said mlt tanker are better at tanking than they are pur and simple..you had better gear there was no interruption you lost... you dont see all the adv suit user crying that they killed by proto suits..1lvl difference..you see mlt scrubs crying that they got stomped by proto 4 lvls higher than them. and sometime you see vets in stnd or adv gear killing proto's you dont say omg nerf adv and stnd gear you go wow that dudes good. i dunno why its any different when it comes to tanks. people who fight and pull solid scores in mly tanks vs stnd just have better skills The fact that you can hop into a tank and ** infantry with no skill investment is **** at best, and only people who lack skills on the ground think free tanks for all is somehow a good thing. Militia tanks need to not be nearly as statistically effective as actually skilled tanks. As it is now people literally use them as their own personal installations. I can't tell you how many times I watch people get 10+ kills and when they're finally under fire they just casually hop out and walk off because it COST THEM NOTHING in ISK or SP. It's just free kills for skill-less players, and only forces more tanks into matches. It's a cluster ** for noobs and don't even try to deny it. Vids / O7
Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 115	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:02:00 - [63] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Malek McRoland wrote: With what!? The now Roman Candle Swarm launcher? Forge guns don't really intimidate tanks now. You should get some fresh air, or at least share your recreational drug with some of us. Forge guns don't intimidate tanks? Yet another winner from D-UNI. Awww that's real cute. Original too! Loyal Amarr and Caldari supporter Don't even start with AV and how tanks are not OP.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1003	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:04:00 - [64] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: as infantry I enjoy fighting infantry As a vehicle pilot i enjoy fighting other vehicle pilots What you call vehicle pilots I call scrubs in militia tanks with no SP invested who are doing just as well as people who are actually tankers. yeah personal gun game knowledge of dust 514 maps and how tanking runs in dust from old closed beta times will account for more than one lvl difference in gear. if tankers are being beaten by mlt tanks in 1v1 its because said mlt tanker are better at tanking than they are pur and simple..you had better gear there was no interruption you lost... you dont see all the adv suit user crying that they killed by proto suits..1lvl difference..you see mlt scrubs crying that they got stomped by proto 4 lvls higher than them. and sometime you see vets in stnd or adv gear killing proto's you dont say omg nerf adv and stnd gear you go wow that dudes good. i dunno why its any different when it comes to tanks. people who fight and pull solid scores in mly tanks vs stnd just have better skills The fact that you can hop into a tank and ** infantry with no skill investment is **** at best, and only people who lack skills on the ground think free tanks for all is somehow a good thing. Militia tanks need to not be nearly as statistically effective as actually skilled tanks. As it is now people literally use them as their own personal installations. I can't tell you how many times I watch people get 10+ kills and when they're finally under fire they just casually hop out and walk off because it COST THEM NOTHING in ISK or SP. It's just free kills for skill-less players, and only forces more tanks into matches. It's a cluster ** for noobs and don't even try to deny it. i can hop on an alt spend no real sp and run mlt gear and get 20 or so kills cant you?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8880	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:04:00 - [65] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Malek McRoland wrote: With what!? The now Roman Candle Swarm launcher? Forge guns don't really intimidate tanks now. You should get some fresh air, or at least share your recreational drug with some of us. Forge guns don't intimidate tanks? Yet another winner from D-UNI. Ishukone Assault doesn't really scare my Incubus anymore, tankers are actually still afraid of them? Wow... Vids / O7
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8883	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:10:00 - [66] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: i can hop on an alt spend no real sp and run mlt gear and get 20 or so kills cant you? Playing against terrible players I'm sure you can, as can I. When you have no SP invested in infantry using militia only and you go up against one descent squad you're not going to do nearly as well as them, vs someone in a militia tank who just lol's the game away. I'm a horrible tanker with only some cross SP invested and I can keep militia tanks alive no problem, especially when you consider recall. If you're stomping in zero SP militia infantry fits, you're good. If you're stomping in zero SP militia tank fits, you're a scrub who needs to use unbalanced mechanics to get an edge. They entirely trivialize spending SP into AV because whatever AV can do, a free Sica can do pretty much just as well, at no investment on your part. Vids / O7
Green Living Scions of Athra 1052	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:11:00 - [67] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: I think it is fantastic! My heavy is fun again. Even if my tank goes down I jump out and finish off the tank with my FG. lol what a surprise... a tanker saying its fun. I'm speaking from the perspective of non tank drivers.... of course its fun for you, if your a tanker Lol never tanked. Maybe dabbled in AUR tanks here and there. Main is logi with a heavy and scout alt. If it's boring it's cause you are to used to being a spoiled medium frame who can handle everything. I think it adds some excitement. This game was boring when it was AR 514, now it's a little less stale. you just said in your first post how if your tank goes down you just forge the other tank....derp? and I am by far some Rambo awesome medium frame... my k/d is like 1.33... so no I wasn't spoiled.... actually is it very easy to hop in and out of a mlt tank mid battle i like to run my mlt soma and engage and at some point in the middle of battle hop out and start flinging forge blasts if i find it necessary ..everyone can make mlt tanks dont see what the issue is Everyone can make mlt tanks, that is the issue and problem.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8883	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:12:00 - [68] - Quote Green Living wrote: Everyone can make mlt tanks, that is the issue and problem. Vids / O7
Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 118	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:20:00 - [69] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Green Living wrote: Everyone can make mlt tanks, that is the issue and problem. MLT Tanks should not have the same starting health as a Proto Tank. Militia needs to be gimped; its not a vehicle that needs to be skilled into. The Militia tank is meant to give players a small taste, not be EZ mode for every Joe Schmoe. Therefore it should not be able to take on 4 Proto tanks and still win; skill aside of course Loyal Amarr and Caldari supporter Don't even start with AV and how tanks are not OP.
Orion Vahid DUST University Ivy League 209	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:23:00 - [70] - Quote I rather get steamrolled by tanks instead of generic-assault-scrambler.

Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 118	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:33:00 - [71] - Quote Orion Vahid wrote: I rather get steamrolled by tanks instead of generic-assault-scrambler. I'd rather get shot by something I have a chance of killling. I can't shoot a tank with my 'insert rifle of choice here', nor with my Italian Pasta Swarm Launcher. Loyal Amarr and Caldari supporter Don't even start with AV and how tanks are not OP.
Piraten Hovnoret No Tax Scrubs 125	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:37:00 - [72] - Quote Valid point. It's kind if absurd in ambuch now. ( the other game modes are almost as bad ) 6-7 tankes one one side = no fun 6-7 tankes on both side = absurd in a 16vs16 game mode No tankes = yeah right idk what the hell CCP did think when they buffed the hell out of tankes and nerfed the sh-ít out of AV. AND on top of that redused the tank cost to less then a proto.... Dam I run tankes now... A 70 k militia tank that melts any proto in 2-3 sec, it's absurd period. Hate runing tank, but if it's the sh-ít I run it 24/7 I love this game and the many AWSOME ppl in it, and we are all wondering wy CCP can't get anything right like EVER. It's like they fix one thing braking 10 doing so. Of stomping in my 70k tank cu al out there
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2542	Posted - 2013.12.15 19:29:00 - [73] - Quote Malek McRoland wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Green Living wrote: Everyone can make mlt tanks, that is the issue and problem. MLT Tanks should not have the same starting health as a Proto Tank. Militia needs to be gimped; its not a vehicle that needs to be skilled into. The Militia tank is meant to give players a small taste, not be EZ mode for every Joe Schmoe. Therefore it should not be able to take on 4 Proto tanks and still win; skill aside of course A MLT tank doesn't have the same starting health as a PRO tank because PRO tanks don't exist. ADV tanks don't exist either. We have MLT and STD. All other MLT gear has about the same power as STD gear. The distinction is that MLT gear costs more fitting. In the case of hulls MLT gets a reduction in slots.. So you are correct, but you also have nothing to complain about because the game already conforms to that.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1520	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:04:00 - [74] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: really for me dust is more fun than ever and do you drive a tank? im 100% specced into infantry and av ive been reading your older posts.... your a liar.... you have always been into tanks... and you like to spam 60k mlt tanks. don't make me pull the posts out to prove. retain whatever honor you have left and admit you are defending this broken tank mechanic because you are exploiting it... you piece of crap. Seymor, stop being an asshole. Pretty sure Mort is a better tanker than me, that's first. I also know that Mort runs a lot of protogear recently, so can't be that hard up on ISK. Finally, I know that Mort's been running a Soma recently. All of these things suggest either no SP into tanks, or very little. EDITed for profanity. lorhak read the thread and maybe you will eat your words... I asked him earlier if he drove tanks and he basicly said no...that's why im calling him out don't you feel dumb now? well you should. apology accepted. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1520	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:09:00 - [75] - Quote Orion Vahid wrote: I rather get steamrolled by tanks instead of generic-assault-scrambler. wouldn't you rather get steamrolled by nothing? actually have a competitive field? where the only time you get steamrolled is when someone out skills you instead of out fotm's you? CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 40	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:12:00 - [76] - Quote i dont really blame tanks, i think the amount of tank spam is directly proportional to the style of the map. Lager city maps, or the new maps where most combat areas are inaccessible to tanks means much less tank spam, god help infantry if its on manus peak. Also bluedots need to stop dropping uplinks in wide open in spaces with no cover, and realize there are safe zones from vehicles on every map, use them dammit. I dont like the tank spam, because all matches are starting to boil down which side can spam more tanks first. I'm forced to call in my soma all the time now, to fight the other tanks. Yet actually, i believe you should rejoice. There were so many people claiming that they were dedicated AV specialists, now people are spamming lots of tanks with less armor than before. If i were fully specced into av i would start every match with lai dais, wyrikami swarms, traige hives and uplinks, find a tower and wreck sh!t. Do you remember all those modded controllers and the tactical duvolles? Do you think those guys went away? snakevenom
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1524	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:21:00 - [77] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: i dont really blame tanks, i think the amount of tank spam is directly proportional to the style of the map. Lager city maps, or the new maps where most combat areas are inaccessible to tanks means much less tank spam, god help infantry if its on manus peak. Also bluedots need to stop dropping uplinks in wide open in spaces with no cover, and realize there are safe zones from vehicles on every map, use them dammit. I dont like the tank spam, because all matches are starting to boil down which side can spam more tanks first. I'm forced to call in my soma all the time now, to fight the other tanks. Yet actually, i believe you should rejoice. There were so many people claiming that they were dedicated AV specialists, now people are spamming lots of tanks with less armor than before. If i were fully specced into av i would start every match with lai dais, wyrikami swarms, traige hives and uplinks, find a tower and wreck sh!t. I blame ccp. but it doesn't make tank spam any less of a problem. the thing I find the most unfun, now that ive played even more matches, is when youre on the side that wins the tank spam.... theres nothing for me as infantry to do anymore but watch the 6 tanks on my side obliterate everything.... I have to shoot walls just so I don't get kicked for lack of a pvp action CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Apison Valusgeffen THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED Dark Taboo 13	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:25:00 - [78] - Quote I have a question, and it is one based simply on ignorance of the subject as I don't drive tanks and do very minimal AV... But is there a reason that CCP both buffed tanks and nerfed AV at the same time? That seems to be a recipe just begging to be QQ'd.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1524	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:28:00 - [79] - Quote Apison Valusgeffen wrote: I have a question, and it is one based simply on ignorance of the subject as I don't drive tanks and do very minimal AV... But is there a reason that CCP both buffed tanks and nerfed AV at the same time? That seems to be a recipe just begging to be QQ'd. no is the short answer. since the beginning of this game ccp has made one bad decision after another. the reason? because they are trying to fix specific things while other things that rely on that specific thing are either broken or not in the game yet. its like they are trying to build the second floor of a building before they complete the first floor, or even te foundation. its just bad game development. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1005	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:30:00 - [80] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: i can hop on an alt spend no real sp and run mlt gear and get 20 or so kills cant you? Playing against terrible players I'm sure you can, as can I. When you have no SP invested in infantry using militia only and you go up against one descent squad you're not going to do nearly as well as them, vs someone in a militia tank who just lol's the game away. I'm a horrible tanker with only some cross SP invested and I can keep militia tanks alive no problem, especially when you consider recall. If you're stomping in zero SP militia infantry fits, you're good. If you're stomping in zero SP militia tank fits, you're a scrub who needs to use unbalanced mechanics to get an edge. They entirely trivialize spending SP into AV because whatever AV can do, a free Sica can do pretty much just as well, at no investment on your part. explain how stomping specced tanks in a non specced tank makes me a scrub? i dont see the difference between that and killing stnd suit with mlt suits which you have already declared to be non scrubby

Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1526	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:37:00 - [81] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: i can hop on an alt spend no real sp and run mlt gear and get 20 or so kills cant you? Playing against terrible players I'm sure you can, as can I. When you have no SP invested in infantry using militia only and you go up against one descent squad you're not going to do nearly as well as them, vs someone in a militia tank who just lol's the game away. I'm a horrible tanker with only some cross SP invested and I can keep militia tanks alive no problem, especially when you consider recall. If you're stomping in zero SP militia infantry fits, you're good. If you're stomping in zero SP militia tank fits, you're a scrub who needs to use unbalanced mechanics to get an edge. They entirely trivialize spending SP into AV because whatever AV can do, a free Sica can do pretty much just as well, at no investment on your part. explain how stomping specced tanks in a non specced tank makes me a scrub? i dont see the difference between that and killing stnd suit with mlt suits which you have already declared to be non scrubby because a mlt tank vs an std tank cant compare to a mlt suit vs a std suit. mlt tanks are way too powerful for the title mlt. I took out 3 tanks the other day in my mlt sica in under 2 mins... and not only am I a bad tanker ( cause I don't drive tanks) but those were my first kills ever in a tank... would not have been possible before. so im a scrub tanker getting lol easy wp, and if you are doing the same than you are too.... although lorhak says you are a better tanker than him, so its obvious you defend this tank spam because youre a tanker. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 1005	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:38:00 - [82] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Green Living wrote: Everyone can make mlt tanks, that is the issue and problem. everyone can make a mlt av fit as well omg gasps yet not everyone can rampage with mlt tanks just like not everyone can kill a vehicle with mlt av... skilled people can... just because this game has higher end gear and sp investments does not mean that skill and aplication does not matter sounds to me like this whole qq thread is about someone crying because a mlt hav user applied they're tank better than a proto av user..yes i know its disgraceful that someone who spent the time to spcc proto av still cant use it respectably
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1526	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:40:00 - [83] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Green Living wrote: Everyone can make mlt tanks, that is the issue and problem. everyone can make a mlt av fit as well omg gasps yet not everyone can rampage with mlt tanks just like not everyone can kill a vehicle with mlt av... skilled people can... just because this game has higher end gear and sp investments does not mean that skill and aplication does not matter sounds to me like this whole qq thread is about someone crying because a mlt hav user applied they're tank better than a proto av user..yes i know its disgraceful that someone who spent the time to spcc proto av still cant use it respectably mlt av is no where near as powerful as a mlt tank.... you are such a dirt bag..... make mlt swarms as powerful as mlt tanks and we're good.... CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4901	Posted - 2013.12.15 21:05:00 - [84] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: I've never thought tanks were fun, but at least before you may only see 1 or 2 in every other match. now there are 5-9 in EVERY match.... as infantry I enjoy fighting infantry, I set my character up to fight infantry ( I also have a proto swarm, but little good that does now) its not that tanks are OP, they aren't. it's not that I don't know how to fight tanks, I do. its that, with only 32 mercs on the field, half of them being tanks now makes this game simply ridiculous and laughable. theres no diversity, theres no strategy, theres no fun. since tanks are so cheap now its all tanks. I just don't find that to be any fun. that's it really.... As a tank I like fighting tanks. what's your point? "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8906	Posted - 2013.12.15 21:07:00 - [85] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Green Living wrote: Everyone can make mlt tanks, that is the issue and problem. everyone can make a mlt av fit as well omg gasps yet not everyone can rampage with mlt tanks just like not everyone can kill a vehicle with mlt av... skilled people can... just because this game has higher end gear and sp investments does not mean that skill and aplication does not matter sounds to me like this whole qq thread is about someone crying because a mlt hav user applied they're tank better than a proto av user..yes i know its disgraceful that someone who spent the time to spcc proto av still cant use it respectably mlt av is no where near as powerful as a mlt tank.... you are such a dirt bag..... make mlt swarms as powerful as mlt tanks and we're good.... Wow what kind of noob suggests using militia AV in 1.7. The only thing you'll accomplish is giving the enemy free kills. I literally just sit and watch militia AV shoot me over and over and over and over, it's pathetic. Vids / O7
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1534	Posted - 2013.12.15 22:00:00 - [86] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: I've never thought tanks were fun, but at least before you may only see 1 or 2 in every other match. now there are 5-9 in EVERY match.... as infantry I enjoy fighting infantry, I set my character up to fight infantry ( I also have a proto swarm, but little good that does now) its not that tanks are OP, they aren't. it's not that I don't know how to fight tanks, I do. its that, with only 32 mercs on the field, half of them being tanks now makes this game simply ridiculous and laughable. theres no diversity, theres no strategy, theres no fun. since tanks are so cheap now its all tanks. I just don't find that to be any fun. that's it really.... As a tank I like fighting tanks. what's your point? for you? I have no point, since youre the problem. I am speaking for the people who like to play infantry and find the tank spam unfun. I do have one question for you... if you love the tank spam why are you playing dust instead of world of tanks? CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
TunRa RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 264	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:39:00 - [87] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: TunRa wrote: Multiple level game play is boring! I want COD 514 lol you call the tank spam multi level playing? you just made yourself look dumb... grats scrub. OP disagrees with me? What a surprise... Thanks CCP Foxfour
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3299	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:59:00 - [88] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: tank SPAM make this game boring Fixed that for you. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1609	Posted - 2013.12.17 16:31:00 - [89] - Quote a week has passed since 1.7 and the majority of us still agree, tank spam is ruining dust. it isn't that tanks cant be beaten, it's that infantry no longer has a place on the battlefield. this needs to be addressed. all roles must be valid. right now the tank spam kills the fun factor in dust, not that it was that fun before.... ccp continues to break what had so much potential. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9023	Posted - 2013.12.17 16:32:00 - [90] - Quote Pub matches feel like a job now, FW is a joke, PC is still a laggy cluster ****. CCP please refund everyones SP so we can all play the game you meant it to be played, in a tank. Up the vehicle cap to 16 per side while you're at it. Vids / O7

Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1609	Posted - 2013.12.17 16:35:00 - [91] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Pub matches feel like a job now, FW is a joke, PC is still a laggy cluster ****. CCP please refund everyones SP so we can all play the game you meant it to be played, in a tank. Up the vehicle cap to 16 per side while you're at it. this sarcasm is OP.... quick tankers! call on ccp to nerf it! CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9024	Posted - 2013.12.17 16:43:00 - [92] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Pub matches feel like a job now, FW is a joke, PC is still a laggy cluster **. CCP please refund everyones SP so we can all play the game you meant it to be played, in a tank. Up the vehicle cap to 16 per side while you're at it. this sarcasm is OP.... quick tankers! call on ccp to nerf it! No sarcasm, I'm serious. I need to step away from this game, CCP clearly has no idea which direction to take their game, and I'm sick of having millions of SP invalidated by designer incompetence which is praised by this ignorant "community" ** This Game Vids / O7
TunRa RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 264	Posted - 2013.12.17 22:56:00 - [93] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Pub matches feel like a job now, FW is a joke, PC is still a laggy cluster **. CCP please refund everyones SP so we can all play the game you meant it to be played, in a tank. Up the vehicle cap to 16 per side while you're at it. this sarcasm is OP.... quick tankers! call on ccp to nerf it! No sarcasm, I'm serious. I need to step away from this game, CCP clearly has no idea which direction to take their game, and I'm sick of having millions of SP invalidated by designer incompetence which is praised by this ignorant "community" ** This Game Bye, I won't miss you. Thanks CCP Foxfour
Lorhak Gannarsein 740	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:15:00 - [94] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: True Adamance wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: I've never thought tanks were fun, but at least before you may only see 1 or 2 in every other match. now there are 5-9 in EVERY match.... as infantry I enjoy fighting infantry, I set my character up to fight infantry ( I also have a proto swarm, but little good that does now) its not that tanks are OP, they aren't. it's not that I don't know how to fight tanks, I do. its that, with only 32 mercs on the field, half of them being tanks now makes this game simply ridiculous and laughable. theres no diversity, theres no strategy, theres no fun. since tanks are so cheap now its all tanks. I just don't find that to be any fun. that's it really.... As a tank I like fighting tanks. what's your point? for you? I have no point, since youre the problem. I am speaking for the people who like to play infantry and find the tank spam unfun. I do have one question for you... if you love the tank spam why are you playing dust instead of world of tanks? Because we also like playing infantry sometimes to let loose. Tanking is stressful these days, especially if you've still got the attitude of 'if I die that's 1.4M down the pisser'. Which I still do. >Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 986	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:43:00 - [95] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: I have fun when I'm a tanker. I have fun when I'm running Shotgun Scout or a Logi role. I have fun when I"m running AV. Vehicles have always been a core element of DUST, they've always been an important part of the promotional materials for the game, and they're a key battlefield asset. If you don't enjoy them, you're playing the wrong game. Sorry to disappoint, but... can I have your stuff? That isn't to say that everything is perfect and tanks are working exactly as intended in their current form - obviously. I'm just saying that they're MEANT to be on the battlefield, and if you don't like tanks, you don't like one of the key features in DUST. It's worth reconsidering your choice to play if they're that much of a problem for you. Going in circles is bad. Remember when back in Replication we talked about that militia vehicles instead of being free needed to cost a REASONABLE amount of ISK? Yeah well they no longer cost a reasonable amount of isk and so we get the tank spam we have now. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9067	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:46:00 - [96] - Quote TunRa wrote: Bye, I won't miss you. I would never be so cruel as to leave you all alone. Vids / O7
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4987	Posted - 2013.12.17 23:47:00 - [97] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: True Adamance wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: I've never thought tanks were fun, but at least before you may only see 1 or 2 in every other match. now there are 5-9 in EVERY match.... as infantry I enjoy fighting infantry, I set my character up to fight infantry ( I also have a proto swarm, but little good that does now) its not that tanks are OP, they aren't. it's not that I don't know how to fight tanks, I do. its that, with only 32 mercs on the field, half of them being tanks now makes this game simply ridiculous and laughable. theres no diversity, theres no strategy, theres no fun. since tanks are so cheap now its all tanks. I just don't find that to be any fun. that's it really.... As a tank I like fighting tanks. what's your point? for you? I have no point, since youre the problem. I am speaking for the people who like to play infantry and find the tank spam unfun. I do have one question for you... if you love the tank spam why are you playing dust instead of world of tanks? Because we also like playing infantry sometimes to let loose. Tanking is stressful these days, especially if you've still got the attitude of 'if I die that's 1.4M down the pisser'. Which I still do. I don't spam tanks. I usually keep my tank alive for an entire match......I struggle to understand how I am a problem playing this game the way I want to, from within a vehicle, even though I don't have Amarr HAV Frankly speaking you are full of ****, a good tanker will give you all the HAV clearance you need, I barely bother dealing with infantry these days anyway unless they present themselves to me out in the open. I never mentioned I endorsed tank spams but 3 tanks vs 3 tanks with supporting infantry on both sides makes for an epic fight. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1684	Posted - 2013.12.18 00:02:00 - [98] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: True Adamance wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: I've never thought tanks were fun, but at least before you may only see 1 or 2 in every other match. now there are 5-9 in EVERY match.... as infantry I enjoy fighting infantry, I set my character up to fight infantry ( I also have a proto swarm, but little good that does now) its not that tanks are OP, they aren't. it's not that I don't know how to fight tanks, I do. its that, with only 32 mercs on the field, half of them being tanks now makes this game simply ridiculous and laughable. theres no diversity, theres no strategy, theres no fun. since tanks are so cheap now its all tanks. I just don't find that to be any fun. that's it really.... As a tank I like fighting tanks. what's your point? for you? I have no point, since youre the problem. I am speaking for the people who like to play infantry and find the tank spam unfun. I do have one question for you... if you love the tank spam why are you playing dust instead of world of tanks? Because we also like playing infantry sometimes to let loose. Tanking is stressful these days, especially if you've still got the attitude of 'if I die that's 1.4M down the pisser'. Which I still do. I don't spam tanks. I usually keep my tank alive for an entire match......I struggle to understand how I am a problem playing this game the way I want to, from within a vehicle, even though I don't have Amarr HAV Frankly speaking you are full of ****, a good tanker will give you all the HAV clearance you need, I barely bother dealing with infantry these days anyway unless they present themselves to me out in the open. I never mentioned I endorsed tank spams but 3 tanks vs 3 tanks with supporting infantry on both sides makes for an epic fight. the way you use tanks or the scenario you describe isn't the problem.... you know that... and you also know what the issue is...so please don't be coy... stop the lol bans in FW.... instead make teamkillers purple! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129910&fi
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4989	Posted - 2013.12.18 00:13:00 - [99] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: the way you use tanks or the scenario you describe isn't the problem.... you know that... and you also know what the issue is...so please don't be coy... I cant help that 3-4 other idiots in MLT HAV without decent fittings want to run tanks, also not my fault Avers are too scrubby to deply anti tank HUNTA KILLA squads. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1684	Posted - 2013.12.18 00:17:00 - [100] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: the way you use tanks or the scenario you describe isn't the problem.... you know that... and you also know what the issue is...so please don't be coy... I cant help that 3-4 other idiots in MLT HAV without decent fittings want to run tanks, also not my fault Avers are too scrubby to deply anti tank HUNTA KILLA squads. I could have said the same thing about tanks vs AV before 1.7..... you are just being defensive now. the swarm nerf is ridiculous and even if it wasn't, its not about killing one tank... that's easy its about trying to kill 5 at a time with another being spammed as soon as one blows up, leaving the team who cant win the tank spam at an unfair disadvantage both towards the tanks and the enemy infantry.....we need something done to deter those other 3-4 idiots from spamming. stop the lol bans in FW.... instead make teamkillers purple! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129910&fi



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