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Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
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Posted - 2013.12.15 16:58:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:
as infantry I enjoy fighting infantry
As a vehicle pilot i enjoy fighting other vehicle pilots What you call vehicle pilots I call scrubs in militia tanks with no SP invested who are doing just as well as people who are actually tankers.
yeah personal gun game knowledge of dust 514 maps and how tanking runs in dust from old closed beta times will account for more than one lvl difference in gear. if tankers are being beaten by mlt tanks in 1v1 its because said mlt tanker are better at tanking than they are pur and simple..you had better gear there was no interruption you lost...
you dont see all the adv suit user crying that they killed by proto suits..1lvl difference..you see mlt scrubs crying that they got stomped by proto 4 lvls higher than them.
and sometime you see vets in stnd or adv gear killing proto's you dont say omg nerf adv and stnd gear you go wow that dudes good. i dunno why its any different when it comes to tanks.
people who fight and pull solid scores in mly tanks vs stnd just have better skills |
DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:02:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:
as infantry I enjoy fighting infantry
As a vehicle pilot i enjoy fighting other vehicle pilots What you call vehicle pilots I call scrubs in militia tanks with no SP invested who are doing just as well as people who are actually tankers. yeah personal gun game knowledge of dust 514 maps and how tanking runs in dust from old closed beta times will account for more than one lvl difference in gear. if tankers are being beaten by mlt tanks in 1v1 its because said mlt tanker are better at tanking than they are pur and simple..you had better gear there was no interruption you lost... you dont see all the adv suit user crying that they killed by proto suits..1lvl difference..you see mlt scrubs crying that they got stomped by proto 4 lvls higher than them. and sometime you see vets in stnd or adv gear killing proto's you dont say omg nerf adv and stnd gear you go wow that dudes good. i dunno why its any different when it comes to tanks. people who fight and pull solid scores in mly tanks vs stnd just have better skills
The fact that you can hop into a tank and **** infantry with no skill investment is ******** at best, and only people who lack skills on the ground think free tanks for all is somehow a good thing. Militia tanks need to not be nearly as statistically effective as actually skilled tanks.
As it is now people literally use them as their own personal installations. I can't tell you how many times I watch people get 10+ kills and when they're finally under fire they just casually hop out and walk off because it COST THEM NOTHING in ISK or SP. It's just free kills for skill-less players, and only forces more tanks into matches. It's a cluster **** for noobs and don't even try to deny it.
Vids / O7
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Malek McRoland
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:02:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Malek McRoland wrote:
With what!? The now Roman Candle Swarm launcher? Forge guns don't really intimidate tanks now. You should get some fresh air, or at least share your recreational drug with some of us.
Forge guns don't intimidate tanks? Yet another winner from D-UNI.
Awww that's real cute. Original too!
Loyal Amarr and Caldari supporter
Don't even start with AV and how tanks are not OP.
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Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:04:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:
as infantry I enjoy fighting infantry
As a vehicle pilot i enjoy fighting other vehicle pilots What you call vehicle pilots I call scrubs in militia tanks with no SP invested who are doing just as well as people who are actually tankers. yeah personal gun game knowledge of dust 514 maps and how tanking runs in dust from old closed beta times will account for more than one lvl difference in gear. if tankers are being beaten by mlt tanks in 1v1 its because said mlt tanker are better at tanking than they are pur and simple..you had better gear there was no interruption you lost... you dont see all the adv suit user crying that they killed by proto suits..1lvl difference..you see mlt scrubs crying that they got stomped by proto 4 lvls higher than them. and sometime you see vets in stnd or adv gear killing proto's you dont say omg nerf adv and stnd gear you go wow that dudes good. i dunno why its any different when it comes to tanks. people who fight and pull solid scores in mly tanks vs stnd just have better skills The fact that you can hop into a tank and **** infantry with no skill investment is ******** at best, and only people who lack skills on the ground think free tanks for all is somehow a good thing. Militia tanks need to not be nearly as statistically effective as actually skilled tanks. As it is now people literally use them as their own personal installations. I can't tell you how many times I watch people get 10+ kills and when they're finally under fire they just casually hop out and walk off because it COST THEM NOTHING in ISK or SP. It's just free kills for skill-less players, and only forces more tanks into matches. It's a cluster **** for noobs and don't even try to deny it.
i can hop on an alt spend no real sp and run mlt gear and get 20 or so kills cant you? |
DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:04:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Malek McRoland wrote:
With what!? The now Roman Candle Swarm launcher? Forge guns don't really intimidate tanks now. You should get some fresh air, or at least share your recreational drug with some of us.
Forge guns don't intimidate tanks? Yet another winner from D-UNI.
Ishukone Assault doesn't really scare my Incubus anymore, tankers are actually still afraid of them?
Wow...
Vids / O7
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:10:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:i can hop on an alt spend no real sp and run mlt gear and get 20 or so kills cant you?
Playing against terrible players I'm sure you can, as can I. When you have no SP invested in infantry using militia only and you go up against one descent squad you're not going to do nearly as well as them, vs someone in a militia tank who just lol's the game away. I'm a horrible tanker with only some cross SP invested and I can keep militia tanks alive no problem, especially when you consider recall.
If you're stomping in zero SP militia infantry fits, you're good.
If you're stomping in zero SP militia tank fits, you're a scrub who needs to use unbalanced mechanics to get an edge.
They entirely trivialize spending SP into AV because whatever AV can do, a free Sica can do pretty much just as well, at no investment on your part.
Vids / O7
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Green Living
Scions of Athra
1052
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:11:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Robocop Junior wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Robocop Junior wrote:I think it is fantastic! My heavy is fun again. Even if my tank goes down I jump out and finish off the tank with my FG. lol what a surprise... a tanker saying its fun. I'm speaking from the perspective of non tank drivers.... of course its fun for you, if your a tanker  Lol never tanked. Maybe dabbled in AUR tanks here and there. Main is logi with a heavy and scout alt. If it's boring it's cause you are to used to being a spoiled medium frame who can handle everything. I think it adds some excitement. This game was boring when it was AR 514, now it's a little less stale. you just said in your first post how if your tank goes down you just forge the other tank....derp? and I am by far some Rambo awesome medium frame... my k/d is like 1.33... so no I wasn't spoiled.... actually is it very easy to hop in and out of a mlt tank mid battle i like to run my mlt soma and engage and at some point in the middle of battle hop out and start flinging forge blasts if i find it necessary ..everyone can make mlt tanks dont see what the issue is
Everyone can make mlt tanks, that is the issue and problem. |
DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:12:00 -
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Green Living wrote:Everyone can make mlt tanks, that is the issue and problem.
Vids / O7
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Malek McRoland
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:20:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Green Living wrote:Everyone can make mlt tanks, that is the issue and problem.
MLT Tanks should not have the same starting health as a Proto Tank. Militia needs to be gimped; its not a vehicle that needs to be skilled into. The Militia tank is meant to give players a small taste, not be EZ mode for every Joe Schmoe. Therefore it should not be able to take on 4 Proto tanks and still win; skill aside of course
Loyal Amarr and Caldari supporter
Don't even start with AV and how tanks are not OP.
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Orion Vahid
DUST University
Ivy League
209
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:23:00 -
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I rather get steamrolled by tanks instead of generic-assault-scrambler. |
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Malek McRoland
DUST University
Ivy League
118
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:33:00 -
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Orion Vahid wrote:I rather get steamrolled by tanks instead of generic-assault-scrambler.
I'd rather get shot by something I have a chance of killling. I can't shoot a tank with my 'insert rifle of choice here', nor with my Italian Pasta Swarm Launcher.
Loyal Amarr and Caldari supporter
Don't even start with AV and how tanks are not OP.
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Piraten Hovnoret
No Tax Scrubs
125
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Posted - 2013.12.15 17:37:00 -
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Valid point.
It's kind if absurd in ambuch now. ( the other game modes are almost as bad )
6-7 tankes one one side = no fun
6-7 tankes on both side = absurd in a 16vs16 game mode
No tankes = yeah right
idk what the hell CCP did think when they buffed the hell out of tankes and nerfed the sh-ít out of AV.
AND on top of that redused the tank cost to less then a proto....
Dam I run tankes now... A 70 k militia tank that melts any proto in 2-3 sec, it's absurd period.
Hate runing tank, but if it's the sh-ít I run it 24/7
I love this game and the many AWSOME ppl in it, and we are all wondering wy CCP can't get anything right like EVER.
It's like they fix one thing braking 10 doing so.
Of stomping in my 70k tank cu al out there
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2542
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Posted - 2013.12.15 19:29:00 -
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Malek McRoland wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Green Living wrote:Everyone can make mlt tanks, that is the issue and problem. MLT Tanks should not have the same starting health as a Proto Tank. Militia needs to be gimped; its not a vehicle that needs to be skilled into. The Militia tank is meant to give players a small taste, not be EZ mode for every Joe Schmoe. Therefore it should not be able to take on 4 Proto tanks and still win; skill aside of course
A MLT tank doesn't have the same starting health as a PRO tank because PRO tanks don't exist.
ADV tanks don't exist either.
We have MLT and STD. All other MLT gear has about the same power as STD gear. The distinction is that MLT gear costs more fitting. In the case of hulls MLT gets a reduction in slots..
So you are correct, but you also have nothing to complain about because the game already conforms to that. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1520
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Posted - 2013.12.15 20:04:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:really for me dust is more fun than ever and do you drive a tank? im 100% specced into infantry and av ive been reading your older posts.... your a liar.... you have always been into tanks... and you like to spam 60k mlt tanks. don't make me pull the posts out to prove. retain whatever honor you have left and admit you are defending this broken tank mechanic because you are exploiting it... you piece of crap. Seymor, stop being an assho le. Pretty sure Mort is a better tanker than me, that's first. I also know that Mort runs a lot of protogear recently, so can't be that hard up on ISK. Finally, I know that Mort's been running a Soma recently. All of these things suggest either no SP into tanks, or very little. EDITed for profanity.
lorhak read the thread and maybe you will eat your words... I asked him earlier if he drove tanks and he basicly said no...that's why im calling him out
don't you feel dumb now?
well you should.
apology accepted.
CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1520
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Posted - 2013.12.15 20:09:00 -
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Orion Vahid wrote:I rather get steamrolled by tanks instead of generic-assault-scrambler.
wouldn't you rather get steamrolled by nothing?
actually have a competitive field?
where the only time you get steamrolled is when someone out skills you instead of out fotm's you?
CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
Zero-Day
40
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Posted - 2013.12.15 20:12:00 -
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i dont really blame tanks, i think the amount of tank spam is directly proportional to the style of the map. Lager city maps, or the new maps where most combat areas are inaccessible to tanks means much less tank spam, god help infantry if its on manus peak. Also bluedots need to stop dropping uplinks in wide open in spaces with no cover, and realize there are safe zones from vehicles on every map, use them dammit.
I dont like the tank spam, because all matches are starting to boil down which side can spam more tanks first. I'm forced to call in my soma all the time now, to fight the other tanks.
Yet actually, i believe you should rejoice. There were so many people claiming that they were dedicated AV specialists, now people are spamming lots of tanks with less armor than before. If i were fully specced into av i would start every match with lai dais, wyrikami swarms, traige hives and uplinks, find a tower and wreck sh!t.
Do you remember all those modded controllers and the tactical duvolles?
Do you think those guys went away? snakevenom
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1524
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Posted - 2013.12.15 20:21:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:i dont really blame tanks, i think the amount of tank spam is directly proportional to the style of the map. Lager city maps, or the new maps where most combat areas are inaccessible to tanks means much less tank spam, god help infantry if its on manus peak. Also bluedots need to stop dropping uplinks in wide open in spaces with no cover, and realize there are safe zones from vehicles on every map, use them dammit.
I dont like the tank spam, because all matches are starting to boil down which side can spam more tanks first. I'm forced to call in my soma all the time now, to fight the other tanks.
Yet actually, i believe you should rejoice. There were so many people claiming that they were dedicated AV specialists, now people are spamming lots of tanks with less armor than before. If i were fully specced into av i would start every match with lai dais, wyrikami swarms, traige hives and uplinks, find a tower and wreck sh!t.
I blame ccp.
but it doesn't make tank spam any less of a problem.
the thing I find the most unfun, now that ive played even more matches, is when youre on the side that wins the tank spam....
theres nothing for me as infantry to do anymore but watch the 6 tanks on my side obliterate everything....
I have to shoot walls just so I don't get kicked for lack of a pvp action
CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
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Apison Valusgeffen
THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED
Dark Taboo
13
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Posted - 2013.12.15 20:25:00 -
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I have a question, and it is one based simply on ignorance of the subject as I don't drive tanks and do very minimal AV... But is there a reason that CCP both buffed tanks and nerfed AV at the same time? That seems to be a recipe just begging to be QQ'd. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1524
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Posted - 2013.12.15 20:28:00 -
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Apison Valusgeffen wrote:I have a question, and it is one based simply on ignorance of the subject as I don't drive tanks and do very minimal AV... But is there a reason that CCP both buffed tanks and nerfed AV at the same time? That seems to be a recipe just begging to be QQ'd.
no is the short answer.
since the beginning of this game ccp has made one bad decision after another.
the reason?
because they are trying to fix specific things while other things that rely on that specific thing are either broken or not in the game yet.
its like they are trying to build the second floor of a building before they complete the first floor, or even te foundation.
its just bad game development.
CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
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Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
1005
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Posted - 2013.12.15 20:30:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:i can hop on an alt spend no real sp and run mlt gear and get 20 or so kills cant you? Playing against terrible players I'm sure you can, as can I. When you have no SP invested in infantry using militia only and you go up against one descent squad you're not going to do nearly as well as them, vs someone in a militia tank who just lol's the game away. I'm a horrible tanker with only some cross SP invested and I can keep militia tanks alive no problem, especially when you consider recall. If you're stomping in zero SP militia infantry fits, you're good. If you're stomping in zero SP militia tank fits, you're a scrub who needs to use unbalanced mechanics to get an edge. They entirely trivialize spending SP into AV because whatever AV can do, a free Sica can do pretty much just as well, at no investment on your part.
explain how stomping specced tanks in a non specced tank makes me a scrub? i dont see the difference between that and killing stnd suit with mlt suits which you have already declared to be non scrubby |
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1526
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Posted - 2013.12.15 20:37:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:i can hop on an alt spend no real sp and run mlt gear and get 20 or so kills cant you? Playing against terrible players I'm sure you can, as can I. When you have no SP invested in infantry using militia only and you go up against one descent squad you're not going to do nearly as well as them, vs someone in a militia tank who just lol's the game away. I'm a horrible tanker with only some cross SP invested and I can keep militia tanks alive no problem, especially when you consider recall. If you're stomping in zero SP militia infantry fits, you're good. If you're stomping in zero SP militia tank fits, you're a scrub who needs to use unbalanced mechanics to get an edge. They entirely trivialize spending SP into AV because whatever AV can do, a free Sica can do pretty much just as well, at no investment on your part. explain how stomping specced tanks in a non specced tank makes me a scrub? i dont see the difference between that and killing stnd suit with mlt suits which you have already declared to be non scrubby
because a mlt tank vs an std tank cant compare to a mlt suit vs a std suit.
mlt tanks are way too powerful for the title mlt.
I took out 3 tanks the other day in my mlt sica in under 2 mins... and not only am I a bad tanker ( cause I don't drive tanks) but those were my first kills ever in a tank... would not have been possible before.
so im a scrub tanker getting lol easy wp, and if you are doing the same than you are too....
although lorhak says you are a better tanker than him, so its obvious you defend this tank spam because youre a tanker.
CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
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Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
1005
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Posted - 2013.12.15 20:38:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Green Living wrote:Everyone can make mlt tanks, that is the issue and problem.
everyone can make a mlt av fit as well omg gasps yet not everyone can rampage with mlt tanks just like not everyone can kill a vehicle with mlt av...
skilled people can...
just because this game has higher end gear and sp investments does not mean that skill and aplication does not matter sounds to me like this whole qq thread is about someone crying because a mlt hav user applied they're tank better than a proto av user..yes i know its disgraceful that someone who spent the time to spcc proto av still cant use it respectably |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1526
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Posted - 2013.12.15 20:40:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Green Living wrote:Everyone can make mlt tanks, that is the issue and problem. everyone can make a mlt av fit as well omg gasps yet not everyone can rampage with mlt tanks just like not everyone can kill a vehicle with mlt av... skilled people can... just because this game has higher end gear and sp investments does not mean that skill and aplication does not matter sounds to me like this whole qq thread is about someone crying because a mlt hav user applied they're tank better than a proto av user..yes i know its disgraceful that someone who spent the time to spcc proto av still cant use it respectably
mlt av is no where near as powerful as a mlt tank.... you are such a dirt bag.....
make mlt swarms as powerful as mlt tanks and we're good....
CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4901
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Posted - 2013.12.15 21:05:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:I've never thought tanks were fun, but at least before you may only see 1 or 2 in every other match.
now there are 5-9 in EVERY match....
as infantry I enjoy fighting infantry, I set my character up to fight infantry ( I also have a proto swarm, but little good that does now)
its not that tanks are OP, they aren't.
it's not that I don't know how to fight tanks, I do.
its that, with only 32 mercs on the field, half of them being tanks now makes this game simply ridiculous and laughable.
theres no diversity, theres no strategy, theres no fun.
since tanks are so cheap now its all tanks. I just don't find that to be any fun.
that's it really....
As a tank I like fighting tanks.
what's your point?
"Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
8906
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Posted - 2013.12.15 21:07:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Green Living wrote:Everyone can make mlt tanks, that is the issue and problem. everyone can make a mlt av fit as well omg gasps yet not everyone can rampage with mlt tanks just like not everyone can kill a vehicle with mlt av... skilled people can... just because this game has higher end gear and sp investments does not mean that skill and aplication does not matter sounds to me like this whole qq thread is about someone crying because a mlt hav user applied they're tank better than a proto av user..yes i know its disgraceful that someone who spent the time to spcc proto av still cant use it respectably mlt av is no where near as powerful as a mlt tank.... you are such a dirt bag..... make mlt swarms as powerful as mlt tanks and we're good....
Wow what kind of noob suggests using militia AV in 1.7. The only thing you'll accomplish is giving the enemy free kills. I literally just sit and watch militia AV shoot me over and over and over and over, it's pathetic.
Vids / O7
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1534
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Posted - 2013.12.15 22:00:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:I've never thought tanks were fun, but at least before you may only see 1 or 2 in every other match.
now there are 5-9 in EVERY match....
as infantry I enjoy fighting infantry, I set my character up to fight infantry ( I also have a proto swarm, but little good that does now)
its not that tanks are OP, they aren't.
it's not that I don't know how to fight tanks, I do.
its that, with only 32 mercs on the field, half of them being tanks now makes this game simply ridiculous and laughable.
theres no diversity, theres no strategy, theres no fun.
since tanks are so cheap now its all tanks. I just don't find that to be any fun.
that's it really....
As a tank I like fighting tanks. what's your point?
for you? I have no point, since youre the problem.
I am speaking for the people who like to play infantry and find the tank spam unfun.
I do have one question for you... if you love the tank spam why are you playing dust instead of world of tanks?
CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
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TunRa
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
264
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Posted - 2013.12.16 23:39:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:TunRa wrote: Multiple level game play is boring! I want COD 514 lol you call the tank spam multi level playing? you just made yourself look dumb... grats scrub.
OP disagrees with me? What a surprise...
Thanks CCP Foxfour
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KING CHECKMATE
Scions of Athra
3299
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Posted - 2013.12.16 23:59:00 -
[88] - Quote
Seymor Krelborn wrote:tank SPAM make this game boring
Fixed that for you.
AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1609
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Posted - 2013.12.17 16:31:00 -
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a week has passed since 1.7 and the majority of us still agree, tank spam is ruining dust.
it isn't that tanks cant be beaten, it's that infantry no longer has a place on the battlefield.
this needs to be addressed. all roles must be valid.
right now the tank spam kills the fun factor in dust, not that it was that fun before....
ccp continues to break what had so much potential.
CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
9023
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Posted - 2013.12.17 16:32:00 -
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Pub matches feel like a job now, FW is a joke, PC is still a laggy cluster ****.
CCP please refund everyones SP so we can all play the game you meant it to be played, in a tank.
Up the vehicle cap to 16 per side while you're at it.
Vids / O7
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