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Michael Hyperthraz Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2013.12.14 12:11:00 - [1] - Quote I will be back when tank spamming problem will be solved. Im no longer interested playing against full team of unkillable mlt tanks. If something is twice cheaper than my setup and almost unkillable its time to quit. I think tanks are still a little bit underpowered, i think they should boost tanks even more and MAKE THEM really EXPENSIVE. I have no problem fighting against one or two godlike tanks where you have to work hard and long as a team to take them down. But 5-10 65k mlt godlike tanks on the field is laughable. Infantry is expensive and useless now. Welcome to Tanks 514.
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 428	Posted - 2013.12.14 12:13:00 - [2] - Quote Can I have your isk please?
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 829	Posted - 2013.12.14 12:14:00 - [3] - Quote bye. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Our Deepest Regret The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 370	Posted - 2013.12.14 12:14:00 - [4] - Quote Michael Hyperthraz wrote: I will be back when tank spamming problem will be solved. Im no longer interested playing against full team of unkillable mlt tanks. If something is twice cheaper than my setup and almost unkillable its time to quit. I think tanks are still a little bit underpowered, i think they should boost tanks even more and MAKE THEM really EXPENSIVE. I have no problem fighting against one or two godlike tanks where you have to work hard and long as a team to take them down. But 5-10 65k mlt godlike tanks on the field is laughable. Infantry is expensive and useless now. Welcome to Tanks 514. I don't think it'll stay this way for long. in b4 "Cann I haz yoor isk??" edit* I tried!
Michael Hyperthraz Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2013.12.14 12:15:00 - [5] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Can I have your isk please? Learn to read.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 409	Posted - 2013.12.14 12:15:00 - [6] - Quote Get a Scout suit and start running.
CrotchGrab 360 Caldari State 527	Posted - 2013.12.14 12:18:00 - [7] - Quote Michael Hyperthraz wrote: I will be back when tank spamming problem will be solved. Im no longer interested playing against full team of unkillable mlt tanks. If something is twice cheaper than my setup and almost unkillable its time to quit. I think tanks are still a little bit underpowered, i think they should boost tanks even more and MAKE THEM really EXPENSIVE. I have no problem fighting against one or two godlike tanks where you have to work hard and long as a team to take them down. But 5-10 65k mlt godlike tanks on the field is laughable. Infantry is expensive and useless now. Welcome to Tanks 514. I am too laying down the gauntlet. Really hard to have fun in Ambush when pricks like duna and DAG005 are running madrugars non-stop 24/7 in every pub game. Would love those scrubs to come up against decent tanks, but they won't, they just keep ruining Ambush for the new players. Part of it isn't the tank buff, it's the fact that players don't care. they will **** on people fresh from the academy, ruin the game, then move on and destroy some other game. it's no fun, I queue up for a quick team deathmatch game, and all I get are 4 tanks pinning down my entire team. remove airstrikes, installations and tanks from Ambush. You've Been Hit By You've Been Struck By A Smooth Criminal
Jason Pearson 3351	Posted - 2013.12.14 12:24:00 - [8] - Quote If you guys are struggling, I offer my services as a AT Tank :) lolmadrugars don't stand a chance. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
Our Deepest Regret The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 371	Posted - 2013.12.14 12:27:00 - [9] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: If you guys are struggling, I offer my services as a AT Tank :) lolmadrugars don't stand a chance. Jason, I maxed out all my defense mods first, and now I can't use a proto missile turret for another two weeks. Madrugars are waiting out my barrage and sometimes killing me. Somas too, occasionally. I hate them all and would like for them to die. You grant wishes if I say your name backwards in front of a mirror, right?
Jason Pearson 3353	Posted - 2013.12.14 12:32:00 - [10] - Quote Our Deepest Regret wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: If you guys are struggling, I offer my services as a AT Tank :) lolmadrugars don't stand a chance. Jason, I maxed out all my defense mods first, and now I can't use a proto missile turret for another two weeks. Madrugars are waiting out my barrage and sometimes killing me. Somas too, occasionally. I hate them all and would like for them to die. You grant wishes if I say your name backwards in front of a mirror, right? You have to say the full name backwards and I haven't given out the middle one :) Proto Missiles make a massive difference, but any one that does survive usually cannot out DPS my tank, so you went the smarter route and got the defensive mods first. Oh and ambushing tanks works wonders, I keep hiding behind a wall, watch for the tank to roll past me and then come out and missile him in the weakspot, can kill them well before the clip is empty. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul

LudiKure ninda Black Phoenix Mercenaries 58	Posted - 2013.12.14 13:30:00 - [11] - Quote One militia tank with militia railgun and militia DMG mod can take down any tank,and you dont need any SP to drive them
Michael Hyperthraz Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 19	Posted - 2013.12.14 13:34:00 - [12] - Quote LudiKure ninda wrote: One militia tank with militia railgun and militia DMG mod can take down any tank,and you dont need any SP to drive them Exacly this is the problem.
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Covert Intervention 535	Posted - 2013.12.14 13:35:00 - [13] - Quote You see, To equip a militia soldier in RL cost you 1500 US$ ... (cheap rifle, ammo, no training, etc.) To equip an elite force it should cost you at least 200.000 US$ ...( Best weapons, protective gear, NVG, etc...) (I got this price from a Brazilian magazine,it maybe wrong, but it sounds right...) So, we pretty much have a balance in DUST infantry prices... But tanks, let's say a militia tank (T55 in RL) Unit cost ~ 166.000 US$ (Source: http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product415.html) And a M1 ABRAMS (PROTO tank ) = 5- 6,21 Millions (Source: http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product.php?prodID=1779) So, a militia tank should cost 150.000 and not be a GOD tank like we have right now... A DUST BRASIL S.A precisa de você ! Junte-se a nós ! Hey CCP, give me PvE!
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution 2519	Posted - 2013.12.14 13:36:00 - [14] - Quote Michael Hyperthraz wrote: I will be back when tank spamming problem will be solved. Im no longer interested playing against full team of unkillable mlt tanks. If something is twice cheaper than my setup and almost unkillable its time to quit. I think tanks are still a little bit underpowered, i think they should boost tanks even more and MAKE THEM really EXPENSIVE. I have no problem fighting against one or two godlike tanks where you have to work hard and long as a team to take them down. But 5-10 65k mlt godlike tanks on the field is laughable. Infantry is expensive and useless now. Welcome to Tanks 514. Dont let the door hit you on the way out.
Michael Hyperthraz Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 19	Posted - 2013.12.14 13:39:00 - [15] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Michael Hyperthraz wrote: I will be back when tank spamming problem will be solved. Im no longer interested playing against full team of unkillable mlt tanks. If something is twice cheaper than my setup and almost unkillable its time to quit. I think tanks are still a little bit underpowered, i think they should boost tanks even more and MAKE THEM really EXPENSIVE. I have no problem fighting against one or two godlike tanks where you have to work hard and long as a team to take them down. But 5-10 65k mlt godlike tanks on the field is laughable. Infantry is expensive and useless now. Welcome to Tanks 514. Dont let the door hit you on the way out. How mature and helpful answer. Thank you very much for your insight.
LudiKure ninda Black Phoenix Mercenaries 58	Posted - 2013.12.14 13:42:00 - [16] - Quote CCP should bring back old prices for tanks and problem solved I hawe too many ISK to spend so I dont care I can afford to lose 6,7 tank per game..
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 423	Posted - 2013.12.14 13:51:00 - [17] - Quote Michael Hyperthraz wrote: I will be back when tank spamming problem will be solved. Im no longer interested playing against full team of unkillable mlt tanks. If something is twice cheaper than my setup and almost unkillable its time to quit. I think tanks are still a little bit underpowered, i think they should boost tanks even more and MAKE THEM really EXPENSIVE. I have no problem fighting against one or two godlike tanks where you have to work hard and long as a team to take them down. But 5-10 65k mlt godlike tanks on the field is laughable. Infantry is expensive and useless now. Welcome to Tanks 514. See you in 2 days then. 98% of these "I'm leaving" are just for personal attention, at least of the one's I've bothered to read. And of the ones whose names I never saw again. Lo and behold, a guy appears with a different name but the same Playstation Network Tag because he Deleted only the character name he announced leaving on! The best thing is that people who actually leave no longer have any say on the future development of the game, but those who stay around have a longer chance of actually chaning things for the better. So go ahead and run. Run. Run. You won't change anything. You will be Unable to change anything. One who is not present has no influence over the future. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 936	Posted - 2013.12.14 13:59:00 - [18] - Quote If only there was a way you could buy the cheap tanks too...hmm..if only... If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
ugg reset Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 416	Posted - 2013.12.14 14:03:00 - [19] - Quote don't let the ground hit you on you way down. quando omni flunkus, moritati
Leonid Tybalt DIOS EX. 2	Posted - 2013.12.14 14:05:00 - [20] - Quote Get into a tank yourself then and take those tank spammers down? When I got my sp previously invested in tanking back I immediately spent it on the new tank skills and whipped up a decent Madrugar fit. And let's just say that cheap ass Sicas and Somas dont stand a chance against a Madrugar with 80 GJ Ion Cannon, dual cplx armor hardeners (I can have a permanent 40 % damage reduction if I want) and an armor repper. If you only spend SP on infantry-related skills then you'll have to accept that your playstyle will become less versatile. I mean, what did you do before the 1.7 patch? Jumped into combat and just hoped that no one could afford tanks on the opposing team? If you can't deal with tanks now then it stands to reason that you couldn't deal with tanks before either, and that's not something that you can blame the patch for just because you yourself made poor strategical choices when investing your skillpoints.

Michael Hyperthraz Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2013.12.14 14:06:00 - [21] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Michael Hyperthraz wrote: I will be back when tank spamming problem will be solved. Im no longer interested playing against full team of unkillable mlt tanks. If something is twice cheaper than my setup and almost unkillable its time to quit. I think tanks are still a little bit underpowered, i think they should boost tanks even more and MAKE THEM really EXPENSIVE. I have no problem fighting against one or two godlike tanks where you have to work hard and long as a team to take them down. But 5-10 65k mlt godlike tanks on the field is laughable. Infantry is expensive and useless now. Welcome to Tanks 514. See you in 2 days then. 98% of these "I'm leaving" are just for personal attention, at least of the one's I've bothered to read. And of the ones whose names I never saw again. Lo and behold, a guy appears with a different name but the same Playstation Network Tag because he Deleted only the character name he announced leaving on! The best thing is that people who actually leave no longer have any say on the future development of the game, but those who stay around have a longer chance of actually chaning things for the better. So go ahead and run. Run. Run. You won't change anything. You will be Unable to change anything. One who is not present has no influence over the future. This is not just for personal attention. This is mostly for CCP attention. They are breaking this game completely. Do you really belevie you have any influence on ccp ? Not in dust for sure. Leonid Tybalt wrote: Get into a tank yourself then and take those tank spammers down? When I got my sp previously invested i tanking back I immediately spent it on the new tank skills and whipped up a decent Madrugar fit. And let's just say that cheap ass Sicas and Somas dont stand a chance against a Madrugar with 80 GJ Ion Cannon, dual cplx armor hardeners (I can have a permanent 40 % damage reduction if I want) and an armor repper. If you only spend SP on infantry-related skills then you'll have to accept that your playstyle will become less versatile. I mean, what did you do before the 1.7 patch? Jumped into combat and just hoped that no one could afford tanks on the opposing team? If you can't deal with tanks now then it stands to reason that you couldn't deal with tanks before either, and that's not something that you can blame the patch for just because you yourself made poor strategical choices when investing your skillpoints. EDIT: On a side-note, I can agree with some of the criticism. I think the tanks have become a little too fast (I didn't want more top speed for my tank, I wanted more manouevrability since real world tanks with dual tracks do turn a lot faster than the crappy tanks in dust). Also I think the Sicas and Somas are a little too good compared to the madrugars and gunnlogis right now. Against non-AV infantry the Soma/Sica should be formidable, but if a Madrugar shows up it should be no contest. BUT this thread to me is only a testament to someone being butthurt over not having spent their skillpoints wisely. So skilling into infantry is a bad strategical choice ?. This game is now pretty much tanks vs tanks and infantry is just a meat. Im butthurt over mlt tanks being so cheap and so powerfull. They are everywhere now. Please explain me, what choices i was supposed to make to stop tank spam in every match out there. Im supposed to skill into tanks now and play your tanks vs tanks game. So what is the point of infantry skill tree ?. No skills can beat a battlefield full of tanks as long as they can spam them over and over again for just 65k.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 423	Posted - 2013.12.14 14:19:00 - [22] - Quote Michael Hyperthraz wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Michael Hyperthraz wrote: I will be back when tank spamming problem will be solved. Im no longer interested playing against full team of unkillable mlt tanks. If something is twice cheaper than my setup and almost unkillable its time to quit. I think tanks are still a little bit underpowered, i think they should boost tanks even more and MAKE THEM really EXPENSIVE. I have no problem fighting against one or two godlike tanks where you have to work hard and long as a team to take them down. But 5-10 65k mlt godlike tanks on the field is laughable. Infantry is expensive and useless now. Welcome to Tanks 514. See you in 2 days then. 98% of these "I'm leaving" are just for personal attention, at least of the one's I've bothered to read. And of the ones whose names I never saw again. Lo and behold, a guy appears with a different name but the same Playstation Network Tag because he Deleted only the character name he announced leaving on! The best thing is that people who actually leave no longer have any say on the future development of the game, but those who stay around have a longer chance of actually chaning things for the better. So go ahead and run. Run. Run. You won't change anything. You will be Unable to change anything. One who is not present has no influence over the future. This is not just for personal attention. This is mostly for CCP attention. They are breaking this game completely. Do you really belevie you have any influence on ccp ? Not in dust for sure. CCP has a habit of listening to people... just never instantly, and because they do it that way they're always behind the curve... when something new happens to the game they literally quit archiving responses for a week or two because it's all going to be complaints about the changes. If a series of complaints last longer than a month and are logically presented with accurate information instead of "just because" quotes, then they may take that into account later down the line. Translation: You're complaining about the contents of a patch directly after the patch was released. CCP sees complaints that burst up so early as nothing more than impulse complaints. In other words, you're complaining inside of a feedback "deadzone" If you were to make this complaint in about a month with more information, it might hold more weight. But right next to a patch... it holds none at all. Also! Why should they cater to you if you claim you're leaving? Wouldn't it be less of a waste to cater to the people who stay? I mean, if you change something and that person is no longer around to see the change, was the change worth it? From a business standpoint, No. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Michael Hyperthraz Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2013.12.14 14:33:00 - [23] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Michael Hyperthraz wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Michael Hyperthraz wrote: I will be back when tank spamming problem will be solved. Im no longer interested playing against full team of unkillable mlt tanks. If something is twice cheaper than my setup and almost unkillable its time to quit. I think tanks are still a little bit underpowered, i think they should boost tanks even more and MAKE THEM really EXPENSIVE. I have no problem fighting against one or two godlike tanks where you have to work hard and long as a team to take them down. But 5-10 65k mlt godlike tanks on the field is laughable. Infantry is expensive and useless now. Welcome to Tanks 514. See you in 2 days then. 98% of these "I'm leaving" are just for personal attention, at least of the one's I've bothered to read. And of the ones whose names I never saw again. Lo and behold, a guy appears with a different name but the same Playstation Network Tag because he Deleted only the character name he announced leaving on! The best thing is that people who actually leave no longer have any say on the future development of the game, but those who stay around have a longer chance of actually chaning things for the better. So go ahead and run. Run. Run. You won't change anything. You will be Unable to change anything. One who is not present has no influence over the future. This is not just for personal attention. This is mostly for CCP attention. They are breaking this game completely. Do you really belevie you have any influence on ccp ? Not in dust for sure. CCP has a habit of listening to people... just never instantly, and because they do it that way they're always behind the curve... when something new happens to the game they literally quit archiving responses for a week or two because it's all going to be complaints about the changes. If a series of complaints last longer than a month and are logically presented with accurate information instead of "just because" quotes, then they may take that into account later down the line. Translation: You're complaining about the contents of a patch directly after the patch was released. CCP sees complaints that burst up so early as nothing more than impulse complaints. In other words, you're complaining inside of a feedback "deadzone" If you were to make this complaint in about a month with more information, it might hold more weight. But right next to a patch... it holds none at all. Also! Why should they cater to you if you claim you're leaving? Wouldn't it be less of a waste to cater to the people who stay? I mean, if you change something and that person is no longer around to see the change, was the change worth it? From a business standpoint, No. Sadly the only buisness standpoint they have is greediness. All nerfs and boost are supposed to keep you in game and buy boosters to catch up. Now let me play months to skill into tanks because all choices i made were wrong and are useless now. As i said ill be back as soon as battles wont be full of cheap deadly tanks. CCP have a habit of listening their playerbase. But only in Eve Online.
Leonid Tybalt DIOS EX. 2	Posted - 2013.12.14 15:43:00 - [24] - Quote Michael Hyperthraz wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Michael Hyperthraz wrote: I will be back when tank spamming problem will be solved. Im no longer interested playing against full team of unkillable mlt tanks. If something is twice cheaper than my setup and almost unkillable its time to quit. I think tanks are still a little bit underpowered, i think they should boost tanks even more and MAKE THEM really EXPENSIVE. I have no problem fighting against one or two godlike tanks where you have to work hard and long as a team to take them down. But 5-10 65k mlt godlike tanks on the field is laughable. Infantry is expensive and useless now. Welcome to Tanks 514. See you in 2 days then. 98% of these "I'm leaving" are just for personal attention, at least of the one's I've bothered to read. And of the ones whose names I never saw again. Lo and behold, a guy appears with a different name but the same Playstation Network Tag because he Deleted only the character name he announced leaving on! The best thing is that people who actually leave no longer have any say on the future development of the game, but those who stay around have a longer chance of actually chaning things for the better. So go ahead and run. Run. Run. You won't change anything. You will be Unable to change anything. One who is not present has no influence over the future. This is not just for personal attention. This is mostly for CCP attention. They are breaking this game completely. Do you really belevie you have any influence on ccp ? Not in dust for sure. Leonid Tybalt wrote: Get into a tank yourself then and take those tank spammers down? When I got my sp previously invested i tanking back I immediately spent it on the new tank skills and whipped up a decent Madrugar fit. And let's just say that cheap ass Sicas and Somas dont stand a chance against a Madrugar with 80 GJ Ion Cannon, dual cplx armor hardeners (I can have a permanent 40 % damage reduction if I want) and an armor repper. If you only spend SP on infantry-related skills then you'll have to accept that your playstyle will become less versatile. I mean, what did you do before the 1.7 patch? Jumped into combat and just hoped that no one could afford tanks on the opposing team? If you can't deal with tanks now then it stands to reason that you couldn't deal with tanks before either, and that's not something that you can blame the patch for just because you yourself made poor strategical choices when investing your skillpoints. EDIT: On a side-note, I can agree with some of the criticism. I think the tanks have become a little too fast (I didn't want more top speed for my tank, I wanted more manouevrability since real world tanks with dual tracks do turn a lot faster than the crappy tanks in dust). Also I think the Sicas and Somas are a little too good compared to the madrugars and gunnlogis right now. Against non-AV infantry the Soma/Sica should be formidable, but if a Madrugar shows up it should be no contest. BUT this thread to me is only a testament to someone being butthurt over not having spent their skillpoints wisely. So skilling into infantry is a bad strategical choice ?. This game is now pretty much tanks vs tanks and infantry is just a meat. Im butthurt over mlt tanks being so cheap and so powerfull. They are everywhere now. Please explain me, what choices i was supposed to make to stop tank spam in every match out there. Im supposed to skill into tanks now and play your tanks vs tanks game. So what is the point of infantry skill tree ?. No skills can beat a battlefield full of tanks as long as they can spam them over and over again for just 65k. Ridiculous. You can't capture null cannons in a tank, you need infantry for that. Also theres plenty of areas that tanks cant reach on pretty much every map. You call this a "tanks vs tanks game", well you know what? It never was a pure "infantry vs infantry" game to begin with. (if that's what you're after then go play CoD) And to answer your question: yes skilling purely in infantry is a bad strategical choice if you intend to be competitive. Unless you're in a corp with dedicated tank drivers and/or AV-infantry that you can rely on, then you have to take matters into your own hands. Going around "assuming" that "someone else" is going to solve all your tactical problems for you so you don't have to do it yourself is the very definition of bad strategy. So either you find corpmates that you can depend on, or you just have to suck it up and make yourself more independent. This is a game of mercenary-warfare, so start thinking like one.
duyes armino DETHDEALERS Public Disorder. 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 16:10:00 - [25] - Quote I have have no problems with tankers who have been since before 1.7. Now i even see scouts and snipers in them!. Also i can understand if you call in a tank to help the team,but in some matches i've just hacked a objective and i'm the only blue there.So i wait around for a upload,it turns blue i move off and a formula 1 tank arrives and i fade to black.Now don't get me wrong i know s**t happens,but he doesn't even get out of his tin can to rehack ( there's no other blues near ) he just sits there for a while untill he sees another objective being hacked and of he goes. Some might call this tactics but a couple of times the reds lost mcc destroyed.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8770	Posted - 2013.12.14 16:12:00 - [26] - Quote 1.7 has shown that CCP doesn't really know what direction they want to go with this game I do not blame you for leaving Vids / O7
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1623	Posted - 2013.12.14 16:18:00 - [27] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Get a Scout suit and start running. Run forest RUUUUUN (except you have a tank chasing you hehehe) Making AV an actual role GÿåTank DriverGÿå
Michael Hyperthraz Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2013.12.14 16:46:00 - [28] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Michael Hyperthraz wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Michael Hyperthraz wrote: I will be back when tank spamming problem will be solved. Im no longer interested playing against full team of unkillable mlt tanks. If something is twice cheaper than my setup and almost unkillable its time to quit. I think tanks are still a little bit underpowered, i think they should boost tanks even more and MAKE THEM really EXPENSIVE. I have no problem fighting against one or two godlike tanks where you have to work hard and long as a team to take them down. But 5-10 65k mlt godlike tanks on the field is laughable. Infantry is expensive and useless now. Welcome to Tanks 514. See you in 2 days then. 98% of these "I'm leaving" are just for personal attention, at least of the one's I've bothered to read. And of the ones whose names I never saw again. Lo and behold, a guy appears with a different name but the same Playstation Network Tag because he Deleted only the character name he announced leaving on! The best thing is that people who actually leave no longer have any say on the future development of the game, but those who stay around have a longer chance of actually chaning things for the better. So go ahead and run. Run. Run. You won't change anything. You will be Unable to change anything. One who is not present has no influence over the future. This is not just for personal attention. This is mostly for CCP attention. They are breaking this game completely. Do you really belevie you have any influence on ccp ? Not in dust for sure. Leonid Tybalt wrote: Get into a tank yourself then and take those tank spammers down? When I got my sp previously invested i tanking back I immediately spent it on the new tank skills and whipped up a decent Madrugar fit. And let's just say that cheap ass Sicas and Somas dont stand a chance against a Madrugar with 80 GJ Ion Cannon, dual cplx armor hardeners (I can have a permanent 40 % damage reduction if I want) and an armor repper. If you only spend SP on infantry-related skills then you'll have to accept that your playstyle will become less versatile. I mean, what did you do before the 1.7 patch? Jumped into combat and just hoped that no one could afford tanks on the opposing team? If you can't deal with tanks now then it stands to reason that you couldn't deal with tanks before either, and that's not something that you can blame the patch for just because you yourself made poor strategical choices when investing your skillpoints. EDIT: On a side-note, I can agree with some of the criticism. I think the tanks have become a little too fast (I didn't want more top speed for my tank, I wanted more manouevrability since real world tanks with dual tracks do turn a lot faster than the crappy tanks in dust). Also I think the Sicas and Somas are a little too good compared to the madrugars and gunnlogis right now. Against non-AV infantry the Soma/Sica should be formidable, but if a Madrugar shows up it should be no contest. BUT this thread to me is only a testament to someone being butthurt over not having spent their skillpoints wisely. So skilling into infantry is a bad strategical choice ?. This game is now pretty much tanks vs tanks and infantry is just a meat. Im butthurt over mlt tanks being so cheap and so powerfull. They are everywhere now. Please explain me, what choices i was supposed to make to stop tank spam in every match out there. Im supposed to skill into tanks now and play your tanks vs tanks game. So what is the point of infantry skill tree ?. No skills can beat a battlefield full of tanks as long as they can spam them over and over again for just 65k. Ridiculous. You can't capture null cannons in a tank, you need infantry for that. Also theres plenty of areas that tanks cant reach on pretty much every map. You call this a "tanks vs tanks game", well you know what? It never was a pure "infantry vs infantry" game to begin with. (if that's what you're after then go play CoD) And to answer your question: yes skilling purely in infantry is a bad strategical choice if you intend to be competitive. Unless you're in a corp with dedicated tank drivers and/or AV-infantry that you can rely on, then you have to take matters into your own hands. Going around "assuming" that "someone else" is going to solve all your tactical problems for you so you don't have to do it yourself is the very definition of bad strategy. So either you find corpmates that you can depend on, or you just have to suck it up and make yourself more independent. This is a game of mercenary-warfare, so start thinking like one. So fighting against 10 65k mlt tanks is just ok. Noted. Infantry just for hacking. Noted. Game was never pure infantry vs infantry, but it is almost pure tanks vs tanks now. Just go do ambush or domination and see it for yourself. And explain me why something that cost half my dropsuit is supposed to dominate the battlefield.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8775	Posted - 2013.12.14 16:49:00 - [29] - Quote Michael Hyperthraz wrote: So fighting against 10 65k mlt tanks is just ok. Noted. Infantry just for hacking. Noted. Game was never pure infantry vs infantry, but it is almost pure tanks vs tanks now. Just go do ambush or domination and see it for yourself. And explain me why something that cost half my dropsuit is supposed to dominate the battlefield. Most people who are saying how balanced tanks are now were people who would get curb stomped over and over in the past builds. Now that they have a crutch that's able to mask that lack of skill, they'll do and say just about anything to try and convince you they're balanced. Vids / O7
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 960	Posted - 2013.12.14 17:03:00 - [30] - Quote The infantry spam was unbearable to vehicles. This is how it feels to have the short end of the stick... Except you'll get your end relatively soon compared to how long vehicles waited. Prt SL, SCR, SR . ADV FGs, MDs, LaZor, KNs. Gunnlogi, Falchion, Python, Caldari LDS. (+require) Prt L. Am, Adv HVY, LGS

Michael Hyperthraz Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2013.12.14 17:11:00 - [31] - Quote Xender17 wrote: The infantry spam was unbearable to vehicles. This is how it feels to have the short end of the stick... Except you'll get your end relatively soon compared to how long vehicles waited. Can you read my first post once again and rethink what you just said ?
Divu Aakmin UNIVERSAL BONDAGE 18	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:00:00 - [32] - Quote 25% of both teams in more than 1/2 the matches i play are tanks. Not to mention dropships... that is a symptom. Same symptom when flaylocks were broke. Too many people using them means they need a tweek.
Mr CreepyPasta DUST University Ivy League 33	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:10:00 - [33] - Quote LudiKure ninda wrote: One militia tank with militia railgun and militia DMG mod can take down any tank,and you dont need any SP to drive them Bull ** on this try taking down my Maddy or Gunny with that trash. ** OUT MY HOUSE.
Mr CreepyPasta DUST University Ivy League 33	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:14:00 - [34] - Quote duyes armino wrote: I have have no problems with tankers who have been since before 1.7. Now i even see scouts and snipers in them!. Also i can understand if you call in a tank to help the team,but in some matches i've just hacked a objective and i'm the only blue there.So i wait around for a upload,it turns blue i move off and a formula 1 tank arrives and i fade to black.Now don't get me wrong i know s**t happens,but he doesn't even get out of his tin can to rehack ( there's no other blues near ) he just sits there for a while untill he sees another objective being hacked and of he goes. Some might call this tactics but a couple of times the reds lost mcc destroyed. Tanker since 1.5 :D
Leonid Tybalt DIOS EX. 2	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:53:00 - [35] - Quote Michael Hyperthraz wrote: So fighting against 10 65k mlt tanks is just ok. Noted. Infantry just for hacking. Noted. Game was never pure infantry vs infantry, but it is almost pure tanks vs tanks now. Just go do ambush or domination and see it for yourself. And explain me why something that cost half my dropsuit is supposed to dominate the battlefield. Explain to me why a vehicle costing ten times more than your dropsuit is supposed to be blown up by ONE proto swarm launcher like it was before 1.7 and I'll answer your question. Also domination and ambush are not this games primary modes of play. Skirmishes is where most of the focus is (thats why PC battles are skirmishes). It's clear that you're not playing to win. You're just here to b*tch about the fact that you spent your skillpoints unwisely. Theres nothing worse than a whiney PBI...
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2084	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:57:00 - [36] - Quote Who are you? May I have your ISK please sir? When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 336	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:00:00 - [37] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Who are you? May I have your ISK please sir? No I want the ISK Tanker/Logi Tanks almost fixed.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2085	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:01:00 - [38] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Who are you? May I have your ISK please sir? No I want the ISK IT'S MINE ALL MINE When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 336	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:04:00 - [39] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Who are you? May I have your ISK please sir? No I want the ISK IT'S MINE ALL MINE No no no you have enough I am rapidly bleeding ISK too many tanks double teaming me Tanker/Logi Tanks almost fixed.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2085	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:06:00 - [40] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: No no no you have enough I am rapidly bleeding ISK too many tanks double teaming me How much do you have hmm? When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!

Michael Hyperthraz Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:07:00 - [41] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Michael Hyperthraz wrote: So fighting against 10 65k mlt tanks is just ok. Noted. Infantry just for hacking. Noted. Game was never pure infantry vs infantry, but it is almost pure tanks vs tanks now. Just go do ambush or domination and see it for yourself. And explain me why something that cost half my dropsuit is supposed to dominate the battlefield. Explain to me why a vehicle costing ten times more than your dropsuit is supposed to be blown up by ONE proto swarm launcher like it was before 1.7 and I'll answer your question. Also domination and ambush are not this games primary modes of play. Skirmishes is where most of the focus is (thats why PC battles are skirmishes). It's clear that you're not playing to win. You're just here to b*tch about the fact that you spent your skillpoints unwisely. Theres nothing worse than a whiney PBI... Show me the moment where i said that tanks should be nerfed back to pre1.7. You following your lunatic vision of my person without even reading my post. From the very beginning you were mean to me and full of arrogance. Lets end this now before we start to seriously argue. My idea was too boost tanks even more than now, a lot more and make them expensive. Do you really think that battles full of deadly mlt tanks are just fine ?
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 338	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:08:00 - [42] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: No no no you have enough I am rapidly bleeding ISK too many tanks double teaming me How much do you have hmm? Well I had 50 million but I have restocked some tanks and lost quite a few from PC and publics so I am sitting at around 41 million and probably won't drop another tank (with the exception of PC) until I hit 50 mil again Tanker/Logi Tanks almost fixed.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2087	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:10:00 - [43] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: No no no you have enough I am rapidly bleeding ISK too many tanks double teaming me How much do you have hmm? Well I had 50 million but I have restocked some tanks and lost quite a few from PC and publics so I am sitting at around 41 million and probably won't drop another tank (with the exception of PC) until I hit 50 mil again Well if you're there later I'll have AV You can have this guy's ISK, he probably only has 3 mil. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 338	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:12:00 - [44] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: No no no you have enough I am rapidly bleeding ISK too many tanks double teaming me How much do you have hmm? Well I had 50 million but I have restocked some tanks and lost quite a few from PC and publics so I am sitting at around 41 million and probably won't drop another tank (with the exception of PC) until I hit 50 mil again Well if you're there later I'll have AV You can have this guy's ISK, he probably only has 3 mil. I think we are attacking not sure if I will be able to make it or if I will be defending or attacking we have 2 battles to fight simultaneously because valor coalition attacked us. #can't touch this Tanker/Logi Tanks almost fixed.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 819	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:31:00 - [45] - Quote Michael Hyperthraz wrote: I will be back when tank spamming problem will be solved. Im no longer interested playing against full team of unkillable mlt tanks. If something is twice cheaper than my setup and almost unkillable its time to quit. I think tanks are still a little bit underpowered, i think they should boost tanks even more and MAKE THEM really EXPENSIVE. I have no problem fighting against one or two godlike tanks where you have to work hard and long as a team to take them down. But 5-10 65k mlt godlike tanks on the field is laughable. Infantry is expensive and useless now. Welcome to Tanks 514. boo hoo hoo
Michael Hyperthraz Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:35:00 - [46] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Michael Hyperthraz wrote: I will be back when tank spamming problem will be solved. Im no longer interested playing against full team of unkillable mlt tanks. If something is twice cheaper than my setup and almost unkillable its time to quit. I think tanks are still a little bit underpowered, i think they should boost tanks even more and MAKE THEM really EXPENSIVE. I have no problem fighting against one or two godlike tanks where you have to work hard and long as a team to take them down. But 5-10 65k mlt godlike tanks on the field is laughable. Infantry is expensive and useless now. Welcome to Tanks 514. boo hoo hoo This is what you do while looking at yourself in the mirror ? Is it this answer mature enough for you ? Am i at your IQ level now ?
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1497	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:37:00 - [47] - Quote Michael Hyperthraz wrote: I will be back when tank spamming problem will be solved. Im no longer interested playing against full team of unkillable mlt tanks. If something is twice cheaper than my setup and almost unkillable its time to quit. I think tanks are still a little bit underpowered, i think they should boost tanks even more and MAKE THEM really EXPENSIVE. I have no problem fighting against one or two godlike tanks where you have to work hard and long as a team to take them down. But 5-10 65k mlt godlike tanks on the field is laughable. Infantry is expensive and useless now. Welcome to Tanks 514. I feel you pain. tank spam killed the fun factor in dust. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Doctor-Jeep Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:40:00 - [48] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: BUT this thread to me is only a testament to someone being butthurt over not having spent their skillpoints wisely. So....spending your SP wisely in a FPS is putting your points into TANK skills? Excellent! I always loved World of Tanks.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2092	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:43:00 - [49] - Quote Michael Hyperthraz wrote: This is what you do while looking at yourself in the mirror ? Is it this answer mature enough for you ? Am i at your IQ level now ? Lol dude, grow up. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Michael Hyperthraz Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:50:00 - [50] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Michael Hyperthraz wrote: This is what you do while looking at yourself in the mirror ? Is it this answer mature enough for you ? Am i at your IQ level now ? Lol dude, grow up. Said by a person who reply to posts using words "can i have your stuff" and defending person who reply "boo hoo hoo". Now that is maturity.

Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2092	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:53:00 - [51] - Quote Michael Hyperthraz wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Michael Hyperthraz wrote: This is what you do while looking at yourself in the mirror ? Is it this answer mature enough for you ? Am i at your IQ level now ? Lol dude, grow up. Said by a person who reply to posts using words "can i have your stuff" and defending person who reply "boo hoo hoo". Now that is maturity. If I was giving $100 away and you were poor would you not ask for it? On topic though, this is a video game. Get the **** over all the things you dislike, because you couldn't do much better yourself. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
Leonid Tybalt DIOS EX. 2	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:54:00 - [52] - Quote Michael Hyperthraz wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: Michael Hyperthraz wrote: So fighting against 10 65k mlt tanks is just ok. Noted. Infantry just for hacking. Noted. Game was never pure infantry vs infantry, but it is almost pure tanks vs tanks now. Just go do ambush or domination and see it for yourself. And explain me why something that cost half my dropsuit is supposed to dominate the battlefield. Explain to me why a vehicle costing ten times more than your dropsuit is supposed to be blown up by ONE proto swarm launcher like it was before 1.7 and I'll answer your question. Also domination and ambush are not this games primary modes of play. Skirmishes is where most of the focus is (thats why PC battles are skirmishes). It's clear that you're not playing to win. You're just here to b*tch about the fact that you spent your skillpoints unwisely. Theres nothing worse than a whiney PBI... Show me the moment where i said that tanks should be nerfed back to pre1.7. You following your lunatic vision of my person without even reading my post. From the very beginning you were mean to me and full of arrogance. Lets end this now before we start to seriously argue. My idea was too boost tanks even more than now, a lot more and make them expensive. Do you really think that battles full of deadly mlt tanks are just fine ? No I wasnt being mean to you, I was trying to teach you the importance of independence. Im not having any trouble with battles full of deadly mlt tanks, since i can just bring my own NON-mlt tank and crush them like soda cans if I want to. And whats more fun is that even IF I lose a madrugar doing it, it won't set me back that much financially. :)
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 339	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:13:00 - [53] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Michael Hyperthraz wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Michael Hyperthraz wrote: This is what you do while looking at yourself in the mirror ? Is it this answer mature enough for you ? Am i at your IQ level now ? Lol dude, grow up. Said by a person who reply to posts using words "can i have your stuff" and defending person who reply "boo hoo hoo". Now that is maturity. If I was giving $100 away and you were poor would you not ask for it? On topic though, this is a video game. Get the **** over all the things you dislike, because you couldn't do much better yourself. How much ISK you got I want to see who is poorer. Tanker/Logi Tanks almost fixed.
Leonid Tybalt DIOS EX. 2	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:15:00 - [54] - Quote Doctor-Jeep wrote: Leonid Tybalt wrote: BUT this thread to me is only a testament to someone being butthurt over not having spent their skillpoints wisely. So....spending your SP wisely in a FPS is putting your points into TANK skills? Excellent! I always loved World of Tanks. Actually no, spending your SP wisely = distributing them in such a way as to make your character as versatile as possible. This includes not neglecting vehicle related skills. If you over-specialize, then you'll also narrow down how useful you are. Take my character for instance: I have roughly 3 million sp in dropsuit command skills 3 million sp in dropsuit upgrades Roughly 4 million in vehicle command+vehicle upgrades+turret operation combined And 5 million in weaponry. My skillpoints are pretty evenly distributed, with versatility in mind. I can drive tanks and bust up most of the other tanks I see. I can run heavy suits and use heavy machine guns decently. I can do extremely well in a logistics suit, and I am proficient in assault rifles and mass drivers. I also invested heavily in logistics JUST BECAUSE i found it to be one of the most versatile and warpoint-netting dropsuits in the game. Im not gonna claim that my way is the only way... But you don't see me complaining and threatening to leave the game because the tanks got a tune up. ;)
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1051	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:41:00 - [55] - Quote I haven't played for two days, which is a good break for someone who plays as much as me. I don't expect to come back until after next Wednesday or later. I left with 80k SP still left to get from this week. It wasn't worth my time and effort. Tank spam and broken framerates make this game useless. Nobody should have to play a game when its this broken; so don't. This free game is not worth it.
Dr Allopathy Raging Pack of Homosapiens 1854	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:43:00 - [56] - Quote So I left during the period where tanks went from UP to OP? shiet
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2102	Posted - 2013.12.15 02:40:00 - [57] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: How much ISK you got I want to see who is poorer. About 110 mil When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
fawkuima juggalo Eternal Beings 229	Posted - 2013.12.15 02:41:00 - [58] - Quote peace..... Dropship auto leveling and THE SOLUTION
RED FARM GOOD OL' B0YS 29	Posted - 2013.12.15 03:05:00 - [59] - Quote Michael Hyperthraz wrote: I will be back when tank spamming problem will be solved. Im no longer interested playing against full team of unkillable mlt tanks. If something is twice cheaper than my setup and almost unkillable its time to quit. I think tanks are still a little bit underpowered, i think they should boost tanks even more and MAKE THEM really EXPENSIVE. I have no problem fighting against one or two godlike tanks where you have to work hard and long as a team to take them down. But 5-10 65k mlt godlike tanks on the field is laughable. Infantry is expensive and useless now. Welcome to Tanks 514. Nut up.
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 432	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:16:00 - [60] - Quote Michael Hyperthraz wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Can I have your isk please? Learn to read. I did, doesn't mean I can't ask for your isk



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