DUST Search - FW just went from being hardcore mode to blueprints only mode (651... pfft!)

Kristoff Atruin wrote:

A lot of people saw this coming weeks ago and were laughing at the people talking about how they were going to protostomp FW. Once the market comes into play FW will be a method for shifting isk from the fat wallets of PC farmers to individual players with small amounts of isk. As in Eve, it is supposed to be a middle ground between starter fit pub matches and the big time high stakes fights. That means encouraging people to use suits that a newer player can use and realistically fight against.

ie: FW in eve is fought almost entirely with the two smallest classes of ships which typically cost no more than 10 million isk each, fully fitted. Nullsec on the other hand is fought using ships that cost hundreds of millions of isk each. You're effectively complaining that is it a waste of money to use a blinged out battleship in FW. Well, duh. You're meant to balance your risk and reward to collect a pile of LP, then use some of it to supply yourself and (when the market is open) figure out which items are worth the most and sell them to players who would rather spend a bit of isk than grind out the LP.

Then the cycle repeats, you take their isk to restock your fits and go get more LP. Eventually you have so much isk you start to become one of the guys who buys their LP gear instead of grinding it.

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Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 636	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:01:00 - [1] - Quote You raised my hopes CCP, then dashed the so expertly. GG sir, GG. {:)}{3GÇó> HTFU: adapt or die
steadyhand amarr Scions of Athra 2093	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:10:00 - [2] - Quote Why they thought anyone would fight for those numbers is beyound me "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 649	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:10:00 - [3] - Quote They mad broken sonion
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3523	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:11:00 - [4] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: You raised my hopes CCP, then dashed the so expertly. GG sir, GG. TL;DR: at Lv ten standings FW pays out 651 LP per match. Yeah they have a habit of doing that.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 639	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:43:00 - [5] - Quote Just, finished making my all BPO FW fittings. BPO mode here I come. {:)}{3GÇó> HTFU: adapt or die
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1426	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:49:00 - [6] - Quote A lot of people saw this coming weeks ago and were laughing at the people talking about how they were going to protostomp FW. Once the market comes into play FW will be a method for shifting isk from the fat wallets of PC farmers to individual players with small amounts of isk. As in Eve, it is supposed to be a middle ground between starter fit pub matches and the big time high stakes fights. That means encouraging people to use suits that a newer player can use and realistically fight against. ie: FW in eve is fought almost entirely with the two smallest classes of ships which typically cost no more than 10 million isk each, fully fitted. Nullsec on the other hand is fought using ships that cost hundreds of millions of isk each. You're effectively complaining that is it a waste of money to use a blinged out battleship in FW. Well, duh. You're meant to balance your risk and reward to collect a pile of LP, then use some of it to supply yourself and (when the market is open) figure out which items are worth the most and sell them to players who would rather spend a bit of isk than grind out the LP. Then the cycle repeats, you take their isk to restock your fits and go get more LP. Eventually you have so much isk you start to become one of the guys who buys their LP gear instead of grinding it.
ZiwZih Seraphim Initiative.. 287	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:00:00 - [7] - Quote No, not even BPO (lolBPOscout), screw them.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 639	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:18:00 - [8] - Quote ZiwZih wrote: No, not even BPO (lolBPOscout), screw them. Yes BPO scout is the new BLACK. At 5175 ISK per I can run FW for months and never even notice. {:)}{3GÇó> HTFU: adapt or die
Nirwanda Vaughns 251	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:18:00 - [9] - Quote which is why for foreseeable future i'm afk'in FW. i mean lets look at the pro's and cons of activley playing FW Pro's Get more salvage Con's you get banned for broken FF mechanics. if banned lose bunch of standing and no fw til DT lose a ton of isk for minimal return Now pro's and cons of AFK Pro's don't lose any isk win or lose get LP don't risk being booted for FF don't risk losing standing due to FF still get salvage if someone shoots you for afk you can punish them and they will get kicked and banned cons.. get less salvage It's only after we have lost everything, are we free to do anything.... Unless CCP take away your BPOs
Gorra Snell The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 315	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:22:00 - [10] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: A lot of people saw this coming weeks ago and were laughing at the people talking about how they were going to protostomp FW. Once the market comes into play FW will be a method for shifting isk from the fat wallets of PC farmers to individual players with small amounts of isk. As in Eve, it is supposed to be a middle ground between starter fit pub matches and the big time high stakes fights. That means encouraging people to use suits that a newer player can use and realistically fight against. ie: FW in eve is fought almost entirely with the two smallest classes of ships which typically cost no more than 10 million isk each, fully fitted. Nullsec on the other hand is fought using ships that cost hundreds of millions of isk each. You're effectively complaining that is it a waste of money to use a blinged out battleship in FW. Well, duh. You're meant to balance your risk and reward to collect a pile of LP, then use some of it to supply yourself and (when the market is open) figure out which items are worth the most and sell them to players who would rather spend a bit of isk than grind out the LP. Then the cycle repeats, you take their isk to restock your fits and go get more LP. Eventually you have so much isk you start to become one of the guys who buys their LP gear instead of grinding it. Yes, but with these payouts, it's not a middle ground between pubs and anything...it appears, even at max standings, to have inferior payouts to pubs. The ONLY advantage it offers is a few pieces of unique gear. RDVs are a failed experiment - can't we just remove them from the game?

Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1426	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:39:00 - [11] - Quote I saw that someone calculated LPs can be worth up to 500 isk each right now, if you buy the proto suits. That means for a win at the lowest level of standing you're getting around 175k isk worth of LP per match. At level 10 that's 325k isk, which is a fair bit more than most people earn in a pub match. That's every single person in the match earning that, not just the 1 or 2 guys at the top of the scoreboard.
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4021	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:43:00 - [12] - Quote I was so excited because with the lower skill requirements in the loyalty store I was expecting massive full proto full vehicle battles of epic scale. Now all we're going to get is kiddy pool BPO battles. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1426	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:46:00 - [13] - Quote I do think the LP rewards could stand to be a little higher at every level. Don't want too much of a curve though, because that takes it straight back to guys with low standing having to use militia fits and the level 10 guys grinding them into the dirt with faction prototype stuff constantly.
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4022	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:58:00 - [14] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: I saw that someone calculated LPs can be worth up to 500 isk each right now, if you buy the proto suits. That means for a win at the lowest level of standing you're getting around 175k isk worth of LP per match. At level 10 that's 325k isk, which is a fair bit more than most people earn in a pub match. That's every single person in the match earning that, not just the 1 or 2 guys at the top of the scoreboard. Let's do the math 1 Protosuit = 155 LP + 8,653 ISK 1 Protosuit = 57,690 ISK 155 LP + 8,653 ISK = 57,690 ISK 155 LP = 49,037 ISK 1 LP = 316.37 ISK Level 10 winning = 659 LP = 208,486 ISK Level 10 losing = 52,200 ISK Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 641	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:09:00 - [15] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Kristoff Atruin wrote: I saw that someone calculated LPs can be worth up to 500 isk each right now, if you buy the proto suits. That means for a win at the lowest level of standing you're getting around 175k isk worth of LP per match. At level 10 that's 325k isk, which is a fair bit more than most people earn in a pub match. That's every single person in the match earning that, not just the 1 or 2 guys at the top of the scoreboard. Let's do the math 1 Protosuit = 155 LP + 8,653 ISK 1 Protosuit = 57,690 ISK 155 LP + 8,653 ISK = 57,690 ISK 155 LP = 49,037 ISK 1 LP = 316.37 ISK Level 10 winning = 659 LP = 208,486 ISK Level 10 losing = 52,200 ISK Yah, great now the scrubs, have a kiddy pool to play in. Bad new though folks there's mor to this game than suits and weapons, and FW Doesn't pay ISK, try running those numbers on modules and vehicles. Your in for a surprise. {:)}{3GÇó> HTFU: adapt or die
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 642	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:30:00 - [16] - Quote Matches take a lot longer, now that everybody is running BPOs and being really cautions. Or maybe it just really seems to drag because there's no excitement now? {:)}{3GÇó> HTFU: adapt or die
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1460	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:56:00 - [17] - Quote CCP doesn't know what they're doing. anyone who has been playing this game through a few patches knows this. look at the history... they made a sub par board game. took ten years to make eve playable. cant make an fps. have terrible customer relations. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.
Acturus Galaxy Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 299	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:02:00 - [18] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: which is why for foreseeable future i'm afk'in FW. i mean lets look at the pro's and cons of activley playing FW Pro's Get more salvage Con's you get banned for broken FF mechanics. if banned lose bunch of standing and no fw til DT lose a ton of isk for minimal return Now pro's and cons of AFK Pro's don't lose any isk win or lose get LP don't risk being booted for FF don't risk losing standing due to FF still get salvage if someone shoots you for afk you can punish them and they will get kicked and banned cons.. get less salvage You should at least participate in the match, you might actually improve your fps skills.
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 274	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:05:00 - [19] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: took ten years to make eve playable. Hey now, EVE was perfectly playable back when I started in 2009. So let's be fair; It took them 6 years.
mollerz Minja Scouts 1310	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:05:00 - [20] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: CCP doesn't know what they're doing. anyone who has been playing this game through a few patches knows this. look at the history... they made a sub par board game. took ten years to make eve playable. cant make an fps. have terrible customer relations. The lack of software QA is unreal. #shittycoding

TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1751	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:07:00 - [21] - Quote I played enough to get 29 adv min logi fits, im good to go now and saving alot of isk instead of using any of my proto fits. Just use your head, and fw isn't about what goodies you get, this aint pokemon lol. Just stay in pubs until it's fixed, theres a sht load of these threads and I think ccp gets the idea now. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 185	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:36:00 - [22] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: which is why for foreseeable future i'm afk'in FW. i mean lets look at the pro's and cons of activley playing FW Pro's Get more salvage Con's you get banned for broken FF mechanics. if banned lose bunch of standing and no fw til DT lose a ton of isk for minimal return Now pro's and cons of AFK Pro's don't lose any isk win or lose get LP don't risk being booted for FF don't risk losing standing due to FF still get salvage if someone shoots you for afk you can punish them and they will get kicked and banned cons.. get less salvage This is the reality, & now the salvage is gonna be all MLT/STD gear anyway. So no incentive there.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1751	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:39:00 - [23] - Quote I just buy the lp dropsuits to save isk, I dont really care about items, that's not what people should be getting into fw for in the first place. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
echo47 Minmatar Republic 109	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:53:00 - [24] - Quote Title made me laugh a little. Prior to 1.7 the forums were full of people complaining about protostomping. You now have a game mode were it is not sustainable to run all proto all the time. Still not satisfied? I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1751	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:57:00 - [25] - Quote I have a sht tonne of isk as well but I'm greedy Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1751	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:00:00 - [26] - Quote echo47 wrote: Title made me laugh a little. Prior to 1.7 the forums were full of people complaining about protostomping. You now have a game mode were it is not sustainable to run all proto all the time. Still not satisfied? I love it, it also separates the stat padders and easy mode people from the people who want to get really get into the lore and be part of new eden. And I'm not even going to edit that, it's funny. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 645	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:02:00 - [27] - Quote echo47 wrote: Title made me laugh a little. Prior to 1.7 the forums were full of people complaining about protostomping. You now have a game mode were it is not sustainable to run all proto all the time. Still not satisfied? Before the information came out that FW doesn't pay **** for LP, I was very much enjoying FW. Everyone was bringing their A game. It would have been a great way to get the proto stomping vets out of pubs, and localized mostly to one game mode, and removing the vast majority of the prot/pub stomp problem that is killing new player experience. But now FW is just a bunch of people running around in BPO fits, and if your not your either stupid or insane or both. {:)}{3GÇó> HTFU: adapt or die
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1751	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:07:00 - [28] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: echo47 wrote: Title made me laugh a little. Prior to 1.7 the forums were full of people complaining about protostomping. You now have a game mode were it is not sustainable to run all proto all the time. Still not satisfied? Before the information came out that FW doesn't pay **** for LP, I was very much enjoying FW. Everyone was bringing their A game. It would have been a great way to get the proto stomping vets out of pubs, and localized mostly to one game mode, and removing the vast majority of the prot/pub stomp problem that is killing new player experience. But now FW is just a bunch of people running around in BPO fits, and if your not your either stupid or insane or both. Or rich in isk? Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 645	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:08:00 - [29] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: echo47 wrote: Title made me laugh a little. Prior to 1.7 the forums were full of people complaining about protostomping. You now have a game mode were it is not sustainable to run all proto all the time. Still not satisfied? Before the information came out that FW doesn't pay **** for LP, I was very much enjoying FW. Everyone was bringing their A game. It would have been a great way to get the proto stomping vets out of pubs, and localized mostly to one game mode, and removing the vast majority of the prot/pub stomp problem that is killing new player experience. But now FW is just a bunch of people running around in BPO fits, and if your not your either stupid or insane or both. Or rich in isk? Keep playing FW, that'll last long. {:)}{3GÇó> HTFU: adapt or die
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1465	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:11:00 - [30] - Quote echo47 wrote: Title made me laugh a little. Prior to 1.7 the forums were full of people complaining about protostomping. You now have a game mode were it is not sustainable to run all proto all the time. Still not satisfied? this is the nature of the community unfortunately. CCp's newest joke, making setting off your own remote explosives in FW FF... awesome job ccp.



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