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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.13 14:30:00 -
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I've heard some fantastic numbers like 10s of 1,000s of LP per match if you reach Level 10 standings.
However Fox Four in this post bummer says that it caps at around 651 LP at Level 10.
I wanted to point that out here in case some people were expecting for the grinding of matches and the sinking of ISK to actually be worth it. If anything this just means that you can fight for all the factions without worrying about your standings. Who cares if 100s of wins don't really affect your payout all that much?
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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4447
Resolution XIII
936
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Posted - 2013.12.13 14:43:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I've heard some fantastic numbers like 10s of 1,000s of LP per match if you reach Level 10 standings. However Fox Four in this post bummer says that it caps at around 651 LP at Level 10. I wanted to point that out here in case some people were expecting for the grinding of matches and the sinking of ISK to actually be worth it. If anything this just means that you can fight for all the factions without worrying about your standings. Who cares if 100s of wins don't really affect your payout all that much?
Why do the graph show 40,000LP at level 10
Troll, For lifeGǪ But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2265
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Posted - 2013.12.13 14:43:00 -
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4447 wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I've heard some fantastic numbers like 10s of 1,000s of LP per match if you reach Level 10 standings. However Fox Four in this post bummer says that it caps at around 651 LP at Level 10. I wanted to point that out here in case some people were expecting for the grinding of matches and the sinking of ISK to actually be worth it. If anything this just means that you can fight for all the factions without worrying about your standings. Who cares if 100s of wins don't really affect your payout all that much? Why do the graph show 40,000LP at level 10
Fox Four said he changed the graph
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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4447
Resolution XIII
936
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Posted - 2013.12.13 14:47:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:4447 wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I've heard some fantastic numbers like 10s of 1,000s of LP per match if you reach Level 10 standings. However Fox Four in this post bummer says that it caps at around 651 LP at Level 10. I wanted to point that out here in case some people were expecting for the grinding of matches and the sinking of ISK to actually be worth it. If anything this just means that you can fight for all the factions without worrying about your standings. Who cares if 100s of wins don't really affect your payout all that much? Why do the graph show 40,000LP at level 10 Fox Four said he changed the graph
It's still there, have a look.
Edit, I was only playing FW for 40,000LP now it isn't worth it.
Troll, For lifeGǪ But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2267
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Posted - 2013.12.13 14:49:00 -
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4447 wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:4447 wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I've heard some fantastic numbers like 10s of 1,000s of LP per match if you reach Level 10 standings. However Fox Four in this post bummer says that it caps at around 651 LP at Level 10. I wanted to point that out here in case some people were expecting for the grinding of matches and the sinking of ISK to actually be worth it. If anything this just means that you can fight for all the factions without worrying about your standings. Who cares if 100s of wins don't really affect your payout all that much? Why do the graph show 40,000LP at level 10 Fox Four said he changed the graph It's still there, have a look. Edit, I was only playing FW for 40,000LP now it isn't worth it.
Follow my link, Fox Four said he changed the numbers. I doubt he updated the Dev blog
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Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
1413
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:12:00 -
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Well that sucks. I thought the 40000 per match was too high but 651? Spend hundreds of hours winning matches and risking being griefed/kicked to get a grand total of about 300 more LP than level 1. Sounds like fun.
Cap should be a few thousand atleast to reward such a grind.
TEST signature please help me think of a better one.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
2249
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:18:00 -
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Well, there is now really no reason for me to actually play FW unless my alliances asks me to or I need a specialist combat rifle.
Jesus. Lose most likely 6 to 7 suits per match to afford 1 through LP? Yeah no thanks. The first numbers were way high but now I'm wondering, whats the point?
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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ZiwZih
Seraphim Initiative..
280
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:18:00 -
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Now this is scandalous...
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2272
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:36:00 -
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Kane confirmed that the numbers were lowered and he's poking Fox Four to try and get some real numbers
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Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
700
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:38:00 -
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._. What? Can we at least get a Max of 1000 LP? I heard 30k and believed that was awesome but a little too much(I wanted anyway though >.>). But I don't want less than 1k. I want to run LP gear in FW for the sake of working with what I had or at least supply my fits to make them way cheaper(from 160k ISK to 50k ISK).
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2274
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:40:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Well, there is now really no reason for me to actually play FW unless my alliances asks me to or I need a specialist combat rifle.
Jesus. Lose most likely 6 to 7 suits per match to afford 1 through LP? Yeah no thanks. The first numbers were high and looked promising for grind/risk involved but now I'm wondering, whats the point when everything dies so fast?
I realize they wanted to put in an isk sink but this is more like an ISK blackhole with little to no incentive to actually play.
Perhaps they secretly hate FPS players. Eve FW is sooo easy to grind LP if you don't mind orbiting around a button for 20 minutes.
I truly don't get it, I was bragging on CCP for the LP store and being surprised the prices were low enough to make the grind worth it. I agree with the poster above that said the Level 10 numbers seemed too high but 10s of 1000s down to 651????
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
892
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:40:00 -
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Hmm.... lets wait and see if FW is worth it.
KDR > ALL
ME > KDR
ME > ALL
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2274
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:43:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Hmm.... lets wait and see if FW is worth it.
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying.
Wait for what? Someone to reach Level 10 to see if they were just joking about the low payout?
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
892
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:47:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Hmm.... lets wait and see if FW is worth it. I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Wait for what? Someone to reach Level 10 to see if they were just joking about the low payout?
Wsiting for SoxFours new numbers. He will post them later.
KDR > ALL
ME > KDR
ME > ALL
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2274
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:54:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Hmm.... lets wait and see if FW is worth it. I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Wait for what? Someone to reach Level 10 to see if they were just joking about the low payout? Waiting for SoxFours new numbers. He will post them later.
I don't think even 5000 LP would be worth the ISK sink.
The 651 is more in line with the rewards they give for their events. I'm honestly not surprised that they changed it to a crappy payout. Anything to make sure there is little incentive to fight hard seems to be the mantra.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Jarod Garamonde Jr
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
8
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Posted - 2013.12.13 15:56:00 -
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You ever stop to wonder if he does this because we won't stop calling him "SocksFour"?
It's a well-known fact that he hates that with a burning fiery passion....
That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
2250
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:01:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Well, there is now really no reason for me to actually play FW unless my alliances asks me to or I need a specialist combat rifle.
Jesus. Lose most likely 6 to 7 suits per match to afford 1 through LP? Yeah no thanks. The first numbers were high and looked promising for grind/risk involved but now I'm wondering, whats the point when everything dies so fast?
I realize they wanted to put in an isk sink but this is more like an ISK blackhole with little to no incentive to actually play. Perhaps they secretly hate FPS players. Eve FW is sooo easy to grind LP if you don't mind orbiting around a button for 20 minutes. I truly don't get it, I was bragging on CCP for the LP store and being surprised the prices were low enough to make the grind worth it. I agree with the poster above that said the Level 10 numbers seemed too high but 10s of 1000s down to 651????
I mean really, at what point is this supposed to be rewarding for the dust player? All we're doing is dirty work for EVE capsuleers by keeping their bonuses up. Some might say "oh a market will surely make this better." Sorry but I'm still failing to see how the 2 combat rifles I can score from a victory at max standings are going to make this worth playing and not cost my corp millions of isk just to get to the point where I can score those two combat rifles.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Jarod Garamonde Jr
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
9
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:02:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Hmm.... lets wait and see if FW is worth it. I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Wait for what? Someone to reach Level 10 to see if they were just joking about the low payout? Waiting for SoxFours new numbers. He will post them later. I don't think even 5000 LP would be worth the ISK sink. The 651 is more in line with the rewards they give for their events. I'm honestly not surprised that they changed it to a crappy payout. Anything to make sure there is little incentive to fight hard seems to be the mantra.
Everything in DUST is an ISK Sink. Until we can trade on the market like we can in EVE, that's how it is.
I don't think you understand how the sink/faucet concept works...
That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2275
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:04:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Well, there is now really no reason for me to actually play FW unless my alliances asks me to or I need a specialist combat rifle.
Jesus. Lose most likely 6 to 7 suits per match to afford 1 through LP? Yeah no thanks. The first numbers were high and looked promising for grind/risk involved but now I'm wondering, whats the point when everything dies so fast?
I realize they wanted to put in an isk sink but this is more like an ISK blackhole with little to no incentive to actually play. Perhaps they secretly hate FPS players. Eve FW is sooo easy to grind LP if you don't mind orbiting around a button for 20 minutes. I truly don't get it, I was bragging on CCP for the LP store and being surprised the prices were low enough to make the grind worth it. I agree with the poster above that said the Level 10 numbers seemed too high but 10s of 1000s down to 651???? I mean really, at what point is this supposed to be rewarding for the dust player? All we're doing is dirty work for EVE capsuleers by keeping their bonuses up. Some might say "oh a market will surely make this better." Sorry but I'm still failing to see how the 2 combat rifles I can score from a victory at max standings are going to make this worth playing and not cost my corp millions of isk just to get to the point where I can score those two combat rifles.
A high potential LP payout could lead to loyalty to factions, a willingness to invest ISK into battles, and hard fought battles. This mythical need for an ISK sink needs to be squashed.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
1504
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:09:00 -
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oh well.
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Morathi III
Policeman of the Federation
79
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:09:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Well, there is now really no reason for me to actually play FW unless my alliances asks me to or I need a specialist combat rifle.
Jesus. Lose most likely 6 to 7 suits per match to afford 1 through LP? Yeah no thanks. The first numbers were high and looked promising for grind/risk involved but now I'm wondering, whats the point when everything dies so fast?
I realize they wanted to put in an isk sink but this is more like an ISK blackhole with little to no incentive to actually play. Perhaps they secretly hate FPS players. Eve FW is sooo easy to grind LP if you don't mind orbiting around a button for 20 minutes. I truly don't get it, I was bragging on CCP for the LP store and being surprised the prices were low enough to make the grind worth it. I agree with the poster above that said the Level 10 numbers seemed too high but 10s of 1000s down to 651???? I mean really, at what point is this supposed to be rewarding for the dust player? All we're doing is dirty work for EVE capsuleers by keeping their bonuses up. Some might say "oh a market will surely make this better." Sorry but I'm still failing to see how the 2 combat rifles I can score from a victory at max standings are going to make this worth playing and not cost my corp millions of isk just to get to the point where I can score those two combat rifles. A high potential LP payout could lead to loyalty to factions, a willingness to invest ISK into battles, and hard fought battles. This mythical need for an ISK sink needs to be squashed.
FW is very usefull for rich player to get advantage by having less fitting cost weapon, the reality is the rich will fight for the faction only for the weapon low CPU/PG cost, they will not care which faction is , they will care for the weapon they use |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2276
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:10:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Hmm.... lets wait and see if FW is worth it. I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Wait for what? Someone to reach Level 10 to see if they were just joking about the low payout? Waiting for SoxFours new numbers. He will post them later. I don't think even 5000 LP would be worth the ISK sink. The 651 is more in line with the rewards they give for their events. I'm honestly not surprised that they changed it to a crappy payout. Anything to make sure there is little incentive to fight hard seems to be the mantra. Everything in DUST is an ISK Sink. Until we can trade on the market like we can in EVE, that's how it is. I don't think you understand how the sink/faucet concept works...
I fully understand how it works. I've been campaigning for more incentives for people to actually fight hard in matches for a long time.
There are three groups of players that have lots of ISK:
1) the top 1% who are successful in PC
2) BPO/**** gear grinders
3) AFK grinders
People who fight hard in matches make pennies on the dollar just because they like to fight in FPS games (weird right).
The mythical need for an ISK sink is driving this LP nerf (before it was ever released). What's bad is that was a ninja nerf. People have been grinding away, fretting over being kicked, and freaking out that their standings weren't increasing payouts ALL for nothing.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2276
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:13:00 -
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Morathi III wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Well, there is now really no reason for me to actually play FW unless my alliances asks me to or I need a specialist combat rifle.
Jesus. Lose most likely 6 to 7 suits per match to afford 1 through LP? Yeah no thanks. The first numbers were high and looked promising for grind/risk involved but now I'm wondering, whats the point when everything dies so fast?
I realize they wanted to put in an isk sink but this is more like an ISK blackhole with little to no incentive to actually play. Perhaps they secretly hate FPS players. Eve FW is sooo easy to grind LP if you don't mind orbiting around a button for 20 minutes. I truly don't get it, I was bragging on CCP for the LP store and being surprised the prices were low enough to make the grind worth it. I agree with the poster above that said the Level 10 numbers seemed too high but 10s of 1000s down to 651???? I mean really, at what point is this supposed to be rewarding for the dust player? All we're doing is dirty work for EVE capsuleers by keeping their bonuses up. Some might say "oh a market will surely make this better." Sorry but I'm still failing to see how the 2 combat rifles I can score from a victory at max standings are going to make this worth playing and not cost my corp millions of isk just to get to the point where I can score those two combat rifles. A high potential LP payout could lead to loyalty to factions, a willingness to invest ISK into battles, and hard fought battles. This mythical need for an ISK sink needs to be squashed. FW is very usefull for rich player to get advantage by having less fitting cost weapon, the reality is the rich will fight for the faction only for the weapon low CPU/PG cost, they will not care which faction is , they will care for the weapon they use
But with this information wouldn't the rich player be better off just waiting for the player market and buying the weapons you speak of with ISK?
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Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
338
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:14:00 -
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Doesn't seem right. Won my first Gallente FW match last night alongside some heavy hitters (Djinn Marauder/Andy Waffle and their respective squads) and came in second for our side (third or fourth overall) and pulled in 300+ LP. My WP was only 785 for the match, if I recall correctly.
Needless to say, I'm level 0 in terms of standing, so I find it odd that I'd be able to get 50% or so of the max LP with ten more levels to go and, to be honest, a fairly average WP haul.
Life is killing me.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2276
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:17:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Doesn't seem right. Won my first Gallente FW match last night alongside some heavy hitters (Djinn Marauder/Andy Waffle and their respective squads) and came in second for our side (third or fourth overall) and pulled in 300+ LP. My WP was only 785 for the match, if I recall correctly.
Needless to say, I'm level 0 in terms of standing, so I find it odd that I'd be able to get 50% or so of the max LP with ten more levels to go and, to be honest, a fairly average WP haul.
I'm at L2 and I haven't gotten over 410 with a booster
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Morathi III
Policeman of the Federation
79
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:18:00 -
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@Thor, you can only buy them in the loyalty market if im correct |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2278
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:20:00 -
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Morathi III wrote:@Thor, you can only buy them in the loyalty market if im correct
For now, the player market is coming soon. They'd hoped to have it released with FW 2.0.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
1900
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:20:00 -
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In EVE FW lvl4 missions can give me 20k LP per mission and easily upto 2mil ISK reward to boot
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2278
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:28:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:In EVE FW lvl4 missions can give me 20k LP per mission and easily upto 2mil ISK reward to boot
Just another example of how easy it is to grind ISK in Eve vs Dust.
The AFK and cheap suit grinders have severely clouded the judgement of CCP in regards to the need of an ISK sink.
They literally have no idea how to incentivize high intensity action. I could honestly give two ***** if everybody ran proto 24/7 if it meant more FUN matches. But it doesn't have to be that way.
There has to be a way to profit in this game and run decent gear while maintaining a 2.0 KDR. At the moment that simply isn't possible. FW seemed to be a possible avenue for this if the L10 standings were high enough.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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NAV HIV
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
602
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Posted - 2013.12.13 16:28:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I've heard some fantastic numbers like 10s of 1,000s of LP per match if you reach Level 10 standings. However Fox Four in this post bummer says that it caps at around 651 LP at Level 10. I wanted to point that out here in case some people were expecting for the grinding of matches and the sinking of ISK to actually be worth it. If anything this just means that you can fight for all the factions without worrying about your standings. Who cares if 100s of wins don't really affect your payout all that much?
I play for caldari. Which means i usually go against organized Gal And Min squads. LP points for losig a match is 75. 400 + if i win the match. Not going to win the match against organized groups by wearing BPO gear when they are running fully loaded gear. I went 23-7 last night against two full squads of known CORPs. I was revived twice. So that win Cost me 600k ISK. What did i gain out of that, other than the satisfaction of beating those players?! 400 + LP with booster. Is it enough to pay for my loses?! I dont think so. |
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