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Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1542	Posted - 2013.12.12 21:14:00 - [1] - Quote By purpose I mean damage wp. For every 2000 damage dealt to a vehicle, award 25 wp to the infantry (or something like that). That way, infantry will actually be rewarded for pushing a tank back, not only for destroying it. This would go a long way to fix av. And actually give AVers a sence of accomplishment. Reward people for actually scarring tanks away, instead of just destroying them. This would also be making av a viable and actual role on the battlefield and not just a thing between between slaying just to kill a pesky tank. Just like a logi is rewarded for repping make swarmers rewarded for swarming. As for the ******* people that will find a way to exploit it, LET THEM BE. It's not like they're accomplishing much anyways. Don't penalize an entire community for something only a handfull are doing. Ps: make it so only AV infantey gets damage WP. Tanks getting wp for that would be really abusive. "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå Tank driver
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1932	Posted - 2013.12.13 02:29:00 - [2] - Quote I was expected a rage thread. To my pleasure, I found none. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1932	Posted - 2013.12.13 02:37:00 - [3] - Quote I wouldn't mind, but as long as the WP can only be generated by weapons classified as AV. Weapons Such As: Swarm Launchers Forge Guns Plasma Cannons Remote Explosives Proximity Explosives AV Grenades Flux Grenades (If you question this then I will simply ask "Bro, do you even Anti-Gunnlogi?") It would also be "abusive" if WP damage was awarded by Warbarge Strikes, and explosive weapons such as Mass Drivers. And if your rewarding points at 2000HP of damage, then increase the WP gain to +75. And make it 2000HP of RAW DAMAGE. (Meaning that the use of hardners would not delay the WP gain. As I can easily see people running around with 2-3 hardners to prevent infantry from gaining WP.) Along with that, reduce the team quota for vehicles. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Stephen Seneca State Patriots Templis Dragonaors 10	Posted - 2013.12.13 04:50:00 - [4] - Quote I like it! +1. Side thought : Medium or Light AV suit... 2 grenade slots.. 1 equip slot.. bonuses to AV weapons.. no sidearm.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1573	Posted - 2013.12.13 06:38:00 - [5] - Quote Atiim wrote: I wouldn't mind, but as long as the WP can only be generated by weapons classified as AV. Weapons Such As: Swarm Launchers Forge Guns Plasma Cannons Remote Explosives Proximity Explosives AV Grenades Flux Grenades (If you question this then I will simply ask "Bro, do you even Anti-Gunnlogi?") It would also be "abusive" if WP damage was awarded by Warbarge Strikes, and explosive weapons such as Mass Drivers. And if your rewarding points at 2000HP of damage, then increase the WP gain to +75. And make it 2000HP of RAW DAMAGE. (Meaning that the use of hardners would not delay the WP gain. As I can easily see people running around with 2-3 hardners to prevent infantry from gaining WP.) Along with that, reduce the team quota for vehicles. That's what I meant, only av weapons give wp. As for damage yea, I also meant 2k EHP damage. Seriously, this would pretty much solve the AV/V problem. AV wouldn't need to destroy the tank only to get lol150wp. They would actually be rewarded for actively pushing the tank back. With the extra bonus WP for destroying it. Making AV an actual role GÿåTank DriverGÿå
Kilo Shells G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder. 13	Posted - 2013.12.13 06:40:00 - [6] - Quote Amazing idea
Cosgar ParagonX 8626	Posted - 2013.12.13 07:16:00 - [7] - Quote Yeah, they need to bring back WP for damaging tanks. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1940	Posted - 2013.12.13 13:54:00 - [8] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Yeah, they need to bring back WP for damaging tanks. Why did they remove it in the first place? DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1576	Posted - 2013.12.13 14:35:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: Cosgar wrote: Yeah, they need to bring back WP for damaging tanks. Why did they remove it in the first place? I think it's because some ***** exploiting mother***** were abusing the mechanic. But CCP being who they are decided to remove it for everyone instead of fixing it Making AV an actual role GÿåTank DriverGÿå
Cosgar ParagonX 8634	Posted - 2013.12.13 14:43:00 - [10] - Quote Atiim wrote: Cosgar wrote: Yeah, they need to bring back WP for damaging tanks. Why did they remove it in the first place? To stop WP boosting, why else? Now that they have a proper system to prevent it it should come back with proper scaling. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1940	Posted - 2013.12.13 14:58:00 - [11] - Quote Which reminds me. Please don't make the MCC count as a vehicle. I could see sooo many ways people would abuse this that it isn't even funny. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1577	Posted - 2013.12.13 15:39:00 - [12] - Quote Atiim wrote: Which reminds me. Please don't make the MCC count as a vehicle. I could see sooo many ways people would abuse this that it isn't even funny. I'm pretty sure that's how people were abusing in the first place Ps: Vehicle and AV having a rational discussion and agreeing on points!!! I think we have a first. Making AV an actual role GÿåTank DriverGÿå
Snagman 313 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 191	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:53:00 - [13] - Quote I've been after something like this for a long time +1 please CCP gimme some heavy lovin!!! Closed Beta AV veteran I drink because I play Dust
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1945	Posted - 2013.12.13 18:57:00 - [14] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Atiim wrote: Which reminds me. Please don't make the MCC count as a vehicle. I could see sooo many ways people would abuse this that it isn't even funny. I'm pretty sure that's how people were abusing in the first place Ps: Vehicle and AV having a rational discussion and agreeing on points!!! I think we have a first. Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking lol. I find it sad how most of the "vocal" members of the V/AV community have yet to reply to this, which tells me that most of them are only here for the sake of arguing. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1947	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:19:00 - [15] - Quote Good news. This idea has finally been confirmed here. CCP Remnant wrote: We had damage-based WP many moons ago but they were removed because of WP farming. Now, however, we have a global limiter that prevents mass-WP farming so it's definitely something I'd like to add back. If it's not possible to hot-fix in I'll poke the guys about getting in for 1.8. I think it's fair enough that you get rewarded for chasing off vehicles if not being able to outright destroy them. That said, we hot-fixed the militia fuel injector last night. And right now we're testing increased recharge times on fuel injectors and slightly reduced speed on HAVs. Can't wait to see it's implementation. Let's see what else we can come up with when we aren't ripping at eachother's throats. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1590	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:22:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: Good news. This idea has finally been confirmed here. CCP Remnant wrote: We had damage-based WP many moons ago but they were removed because of WP farming. Now, however, we have a global limiter that prevents mass-WP farming so it's definitely something I'd like to add back. If it's not possible to hot-fix in I'll poke the guys about getting in for 1.8. I think it's fair enough that you get rewarded for chasing off vehicles if not being able to outright destroy them. That said, we hot-fixed the militia fuel injector last night. And right now we're testing increased recharge times on fuel injectors and slightly reduced speed on HAVs. Can't wait to see it's implementation. Let's see what else we can come up with when we aren't ripping at eachother's throats. I know right, I can't wait either. Cause it will also mean that destroying a vehicle is not the only thing viable. AV/V debate = mostly solved. I want tanks to be fun, but I want AV to be fun too. if tanks are too hard to kill: fun for tanks, ** for AV if tanks are too easy to kill: ** for tanks, fun for AV if av gets wp for damaging vehicles: fun for tanks AND fun for AV It's a win-win situation Making AV an actual role GÿåTank DriverGÿå
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1949	Posted - 2013.12.13 19:35:00 - [17] - Quote This ^^^ And in less than 48hrs we've managed to get something implemented without arguing and being little kids, yet in 6 months of arguing and being little COD b!tches we accomplished nothing. Put something about this in General Discussion. Lets see if others follow this example. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 689	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:39:00 - [18] - Quote I like this idea. It might actually make me focus more on Anti-Vehicle. +1 ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1597	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:23:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: This ^^^ And in less than 48hrs we've managed to get something implemented without arguing and being little kids, yet in 6 months of arguing and being little COD b!tches we accomplished nothing. Put something about this in General Discussion. Lets see if others follow this example. Done. Making AV an actual role GÿåTank DriverGÿå
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 251	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:38:00 - [20] - Quote This is more than needed it is absolutely critical for the sake of the AV role . Right now it is to the detriment economically to pull out AV. No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .

Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 231	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:39:00 - [21] - Quote Message from Godin:So do as I've been saying instead of," BUFF AV RAWR RAWR! NERF HAV'S TO **** AGAIN RAWR RAWR!"? Okay. Shield hardeners are still OP due to being able to perma run them on Gunnlogi's though. That'll need looking at next.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1598	Posted - 2013.12.13 21:45:00 - [22] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin:So do as I've been saying instead of," BUFF AV RAWR RAWR! NERF HAV'S TO **** AGAIN RAWR RAWR!"? Okay. Shield hardeners are still OP due to being able to perma run them on Gunnlogi's though. That'll need looking at next. Are you using 3? I find that high alpha damage will kill you when using that, meaning that you have to be waaaay more carefull Making AV an actual role GÿåTank DriverGÿå
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 692	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:03:00 - [23] - Quote Also, by the way, before all the feral pro-AV users come in here and take away our civilized conversation, I'd like to point out that earlier in the thread, someone said the Plasma Cannon is an AV weapon? In the description, it actually says its Anti-Infantry, which is why it does so little VS. vehicles. ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1599	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:05:00 - [24] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: Also, by the way, before all the feral pro-AV users come in here and take away our civilized conversation, I'd like to point out that earlier in the thread, someone said the Plasma Cannon is an AV weapon? In the description, it actually says its Anti-Infantry, which is why it does so little VS. vehicles. Really ... Then CCP failed even more at creating a useable weapon . It still packs quite a punch when used vs shield tanks, only problem is that it travels sooooooooooo slowly and arches while doing so Making AV an actual role GÿåTank DriverGÿå
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1958	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:06:00 - [25] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: Also, by the way, before all the feral pro-AV users come in here and take away our civilized conversation, I'd like to point out that earlier in the thread, someone said the Plasma Cannon is an AV weapon? In the description, it actually says its Anti-Infantry, which is why it does so little VS. vehicles. Please Don't DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1599	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:08:00 - [26] - Quote Atiim wrote: Artificer Ghost wrote: Also, by the way, before all the feral pro-AV users come in here and take away our civilized conversation, I'd like to point out that earlier in the thread, someone said the Plasma Cannon is an AV weapon? In the description, it actually says its Anti-Infantry, which is why it does so little VS. vehicles. Please Don't lol, he could have also written Also, by the way, before all the feral pro-TANK users come in here and take away our civilized conversation Honestly, either one is just as bad Making AV an actual role GÿåTank DriverGÿå
dogmanpig black market bank 76	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:14:00 - [27] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: By purpose I mean damage wp. For every 2000 damage dealt to a vehicle, award 25 wp to the infantry (or something like that). That way, infantry will actually be rewarded for pushing a tank back, not only for destroying it. This would go a long way to fix av. And actually give AVers a sence of accomplishment. Reward people for actually scarring tanks away, instead of just destroying them. This would also be making av a viable and actual role on the battlefield and not just a thing between between slaying just to kill a pesky tank. Just like a logi is rewarded for repping make swarmers rewarded for swarming. As for the ******* people that will find a way to exploit it, LET THEM BE. It's not like they're accomplishing much anyways. Don't penalize an entire community for something only a handfull are doing. Ps: make it so only AV infantry gets damage WP. Tanks getting wp for that would be really abusive. hm maybe every 1000 EFFECTIVE damage earns 15 wp to a max of says something like 300-400 wp every 2minutes i know ccp is thinking about reapplying this since they can use the same system as rep tools and hives that effects logis. that would amount to 20-27 times wp earned every 2minutes this should not apply to HAVs doing damage to other vehicles but DS and LAVs should get counted in. You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
Ranger SnakeBlood OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 248	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:34:00 - [28] - Quote Got to say i like this it would at the very least reward Av guys lets face it its a fairly unrewarding role only thing id like to add would be tanks still need either speed nerfed or slower acceleration added so that they cant instantly get away or at least give us ways to disable them perhaps tanks get immobilised for 20s after 2 or 3 volleys so they cant get away and are forced to either deal with AV or tank it granted this is a very biased to AV guys but at the least a speed nerf is required if acceleration is not viable. This is not complaining about tanks this is simply stating how to fix them ive been messing around with mlt tanks for a while and they tank well and its fun to be able to support infantry but it feels way too mobile for what it is.
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 693	Posted - 2013.12.13 22:55:00 - [29] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Artificer Ghost wrote: Also, by the way, before all the feral pro-AV users come in here and take away our civilized conversation, I'd like to point out that earlier in the thread, someone said the Plasma Cannon is an AV weapon? In the description, it actually says its Anti-Infantry, which is why it does so little VS. vehicles. Really ... Then CCP failed even more at creating a useable weapon . It still packs quite a punch when used vs shield tanks, only problem is that it travels sooooooooooo slowly and arches while doing so Actually, I could dominate with a Plasma Cannon. Skill-shot weapon, just like the Flaylock pistol. If you can hit them accurately, it instakills even the best heavies. ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 299	Posted - 2013.12.13 23:00:00 - [30] - Quote This is a good idea. WP, for damage. I saw mentioned in a post, a Dev saying they really wanted to implement this, since they now have a limiter on WP. They are certainly considering it. Nuff Said



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