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Pr0phetzReck0ning
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.12 04:40:00 -
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Im moving my original thread from General Discussions here, please click the link for my full thoughts on the matter:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=127794&find=unread
Basically, FW is getting too expensive too fast. The Loyalty Points are not very plentiful and we receive no ISK so there is high risk and very little reward. If the Loyalty Store is going to be a mix of ISK and LP ... We NEED ISK + larger amounts of LP in order to not go broke/ afford to shop in the Loyalty store to begin with. This is the only way FW will be able to sustain itself and players wont view it as such a waste.
Best,
Pr0phet |
Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
677
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Posted - 2013.12.12 05:10:00 -
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I earn 350 LP every match, more or less. I can more than pay for everything I own. My advice: Play FW in free fits, and get LP variants of the really good stuff (Remember that it's like AUR stuff, so less skill required), and then make your fittings out of that. I ran Minmatar FW for a while today before being kicked because of laying down an Orbital (Friendly Fire Fail, CCP), and I now have over 3000 LP in the Republic Command. Not to mention the 1500 I have in the Gallente Federation.
With better gear, you'll die less, earn more WP, and start getting better at the game. I have yet to be crushed in a match, because I kill more than 20 things per match, and I have yet to die more than 2-3 times per match.
If anything, it's another thing in common with EVE, where you need to be reasonably skilled to start doing FW.
ALSO: IF they were to add ISK rewards, I'll only be happy with it if they cut it in half or something. But either way, adding ISK to FW would make pub matches, once again, non-viable.
~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
7439
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Posted - 2013.12.12 05:18:00 -
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I don't know yet if FW is viable financially yet, but I think they could have just have 30% of ISK reward so you at least make something.
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Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
677
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Posted - 2013.12.12 05:21:00 -
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I don't know, I must've just run it correctly. I had EVE Support on call, running my Proto-Logi with 3 more Logis in-squad, etc...
I know that I've only lost a little bit of ISK because of TTK issues, but that's about it. And even then, I'm getting way better.
EDIT: I will always like your posts, KAGE. Always.
~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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echo47
Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2013.12.12 05:40:00 -
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We don't need isk for FW. We need player to player trading.
I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Bannana Boat Corp
Relentless Heroes Alliance
593
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Posted - 2013.12.12 08:17:00 -
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When player market hits it will all make sense. Sit tight. For now we all have to be grin and bear it.
Hopefully sooner rather than later.
Gotta say though. LP stuff is amazingly cheap
"...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
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xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
378
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Posted - 2013.12.12 10:55:00 -
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echo47 wrote:We don't need isk for FW. We need player to player trading.
plus ISK in FW would break the fact that there are lower equipment requirments for dropsuits and equipment etc.
Its supposed to be an ISK sink too. |
Doc-Bacon
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.12 11:33:00 -
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xAckie wrote:echo47 wrote:We don't need isk for FW. We need player to player trading. plus ISK in FW would break the fact that there are lower equipment requirments for dropsuits and equipment etc. Its supposed to be an ISK sink too.
+1 Right, Right |
ALPHA DECRIPTER
Dragon-Empire
627
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Posted - 2013.12.12 11:46:00 -
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Didn't read any of the comments so forgive me if I'm making an echo.
FW was designed with the open market in mind (sell of your stuff to make ISK). Until the open market is in-game FW will be quite expensive for everyone.
Now that I think about it, if you made ISK than some of the annoying BBs and AFKers would show up as they can get ISK, SP, LP, and more salvage as apposed to pubs. Sure we could just kill 'em but then there's that whole TK penalty thing.
As of now it's just save up in pubs than burn through your ISK in FW.
P.S. Now that ppl will be making more fits due to loyalty items it seems even more necessary to increase the fitting count some more
Scout Tactician
"You have been Scanned"
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Hecarim Van Hohen
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
355
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Posted - 2013.12.12 11:49:00 -
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echo47 wrote:We don't need isk for FW. We need player to player trading.
Cheer up a bit will you
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V1RONXSS
AL0NE Inc.
9
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Posted - 2013.12.12 12:48:00 -
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echo47 wrote:We don't need isk for FW. We need player to player trading.
The Market is required - true, hurry CCP ;) |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
1112
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Posted - 2013.12.12 13:52:00 -
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FW is intended to be two things:
1) An isk sink.
2) A place where more experienced players can go to test their mettle against one another.
The lack of ISK per battle is working as intended. Think of all of us vets with 100's of millions who can proto stomp all the time. We need a place to blow some ISK.
If you don't have the iSK to fund your ventures into FW space there is a simple solution. Don't only run FW matches. Mix it up with a combination of pubs. This will, as long as you are good enough to ensure you make isk every match, allow you to play some FW while still being self sufficient.
No ISK for FW please CCP. It would make it far too easy for those of us with lots of ISK (Which is not a small % of the player base). It would also encourage more blueberries without the needed skills to join FW, get stomped, then come here crying. The cost of playing is one of the barriers of entry.
Fun > Realism
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Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1424
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Posted - 2013.12.12 13:59:00 -
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Or join a corp with a decent space communism program, where everyone pays a decent tax rate and gets help when they need it. Kinda like living in Canada. And you don't even have to say eh. |
Heavenly Daughter
the Aurum Grinder and Company
242
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Posted - 2013.12.12 13:59:00 -
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Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote:Im moving my original thread from General Discussions here, please click the link for my full thoughts on the matter: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=127794&find=unreadBasically, FW is getting too expensive too fast. The Loyalty Points are not very plentiful and we receive no ISK so there is high risk and very little reward. If the Loyalty Store is going to be a mix of ISK and LP ... We NEED ISK + larger amounts of LP in order to not go broke/ afford to shop in the Loyalty store to begin with. This is the only way FW will be able to sustain itself and players wont view it as such a waste. Best, Pr0phet
Have you even looked at the LP payout , at level 6 it's about 10K and level 10 is 60K ish. If you need iso, play some public then play some FW.
You will have to play pubs for you isk , song see what the problem is you get hugh isk in public which is more than sufficient to get the suit in FW market.
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Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1883
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Posted - 2013.12.12 14:09:00 -
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LP store items cost a fraction in isk of their normal cost. Then they cost a small sum of LP. When you do the algebra to figure the LP to isk exchange rate you then take that exchange rate to see that...
FW IS BASICALLY GIVING YOU MORE ISK THAN PUB MATCHES IF YOU WIN
It is working as intended. If your W/L rate is pretty positive, then FW will easily be able to be profitable for you and you should spend more of your time in it than pubs. If your W/L rate is much less than 1 then you won't be able to find it very profitable (time wise). |
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