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Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 208	Posted - 2013.12.11 20:41:00 - [1] - Quote We should have a discussion about unkillable tanks. http://i.imgur.com/pOfezYn.jpg I theory crafted this before 1.7 and it is every bit as insane as I thought it would be. It is fun, but the only real infantry counter is high alpha strike damage (read: Remote Explosives). Missile tanks are pretty dangerous to my unhardened armor, but infantry AV has been unable to apply the sustained DPS, and any time I encounter an organized squad, I can just run away. A possible solution might be to increase the clip size of the swarm launcher - let's say 10 or 12 rounds per clip. Thoughts? There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 795	Posted - 2013.12.11 20:43:00 - [2] - Quote Swarm Launcher doesn't even have 10 rounds in full ammo capacity. (without the skill at least) but i have to agree, what the hell is this sorcery? Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1197	Posted - 2013.12.11 20:44:00 - [3] - Quote I think 10 to 12 is way overkill, and honestly wont do much. Vehicles are faster now, meaning even if your swarm could hold 10 salvos, you wouldn't be able to use even half of them before the target is gone. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 209	Posted - 2013.12.11 20:49:00 - [4] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Swarm Launcher doesn't even have 10 rounds in full ammo capacity. (without the skill at least) but i have to agree, what the hell is this sorcery? Even before Tanks 514, any swarm fit had to come with a nanohive. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 528	Posted - 2013.12.11 20:51:00 - [5] - Quote High alpha is the only way to take down tanks now IMO. Swarms are the way of the past, and will probably just get you killed when you go up against any infantry. REs and AV nades are where it's at.
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 209	Posted - 2013.12.11 20:55:00 - [6] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: High alpha is the only way to take down tanks now IMO. Swarms are the way of the past, and will probably just get you killed when you go up against any infantry. REs and AV nades are where it's at. Tell me about it, I've lost a lot of Wiyrkomi Swarm Launchers with only a few assists to show for it. ...but, when I'm driving that tank, I'm laughing my @ss off the whole time. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 379	Posted - 2013.12.11 20:59:00 - [7] - Quote Shields can be be a bit ridiculous as well. I was able to sneak up on a sica, a militia tank and get three proto level packed AV nades into it taking down all of its shields and 2/3 armor. It immediately hit it's shield booster(s) and was up to full shields before I could lock it with my swarm launcher. Then it was able to run so fast it was out of swarm launcher range before I could fully lock my third salvo of my first clip. And those two shots I got off were advanced level with 3 complex damage mods and took maybe 1/3. of its shields. There is something wrong here. When weapons that do one thing and one thing only: kill tanks, cannot even kill a militia tank.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 617	Posted - 2013.12.11 21:02:00 - [8] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: High alpha is the only way to take down tanks now IMO. Swarms are the way of the past, and will probably just get you killed when you go up against any infantry. REs and AV nades are where it's at. Tell me about it, I've lost a lot of Wiyrkomi Swarm Launchers with only a few assists to show for it. ...but, when I'm driving that tank, I'm laughing my @ss off the whole time. i pulled out a few proto swarms. got off 1 volley before being nuked down by everyone and barely scraped the tanks shields. swarms are dead now. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 212	Posted - 2013.12.11 21:02:00 - [9] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: Shields can be be a bit ridiculous as well. I was able to sneak up on a sica, a militia tank and get three proto level packed AV nades into it taking down all of its shields and 2/3 armor. It immediately hit it's shield booster(s) and was up to full shields before I could lock it with my swarm launcher. Then it was able to run so fast it was out of swarm launcher range before I could fully lock my third salvo of my first clip. And those two shots I got off were advanced level with 3 complex damage mods and took maybe 1/3. of its shields. There is something wrong here. When weapons that do one thing and one thing only: kill tanks, cannot even kill a militia tank. By far, the easiest method to kill a tank is to call in your own tank. Maybe we could just un-nerf all of the AV to see if balance is restored? There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 214	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:50:00 - [10] - Quote After further testing, I can say that my tank is far from unkillable. Damage amplifiers, packed AV grenades, and proto swarms can kill me if I get too cocky. I still think the swarm launcher clip size and total ammo should be increased. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG

Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 211	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:55:00 - [11] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: We should have a discussion about unkillable tanks. http://i.imgur.com/pOfezYn.jpg I theory crafted this before 1.7 and it is every bit as insane as I thought it would be. It is fun, but the only real infantry counter is high alpha strike damage (read: Remote Explosives). Missile tanks are pretty dangerous to my unhardened armor, but infantry AV has been unable to apply the sustained DPS, and any time I encounter an organized squad, I can just run away. A possible solution might be to increase the clip size of the swarm launcher - let's say 10 or 12 rounds per clip. Thoughts? Have to make sure to take it out in under a second than hahaha.... shoots self Gÿé Syeven 514
ResistanceGTA Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden 75	Posted - 2013.12.12 14:02:00 - [12] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: After further testing, I can say that my tank is far from unkillable. Damage amplifiers, packed AV grenades, and proto swarms can kill me if I get too cocky. I still think the swarm launcher clip size and total ammo should be increased. That is the current downfall of even the best tanks. Then there are the ones driven by complete morons, those poor tanks were just raised in an unsafe environment with unfit parents.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1772	Posted - 2013.12.12 14:06:00 - [13] - Quote I killed a maddy last night cause he only focused on me while a bloobie shot with swarms in the back(I was doing it from the front) Guy was a idiot, but it still made me happy. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1477	Posted - 2013.12.12 14:07:00 - [14] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: We should have a discussion about unkillable tanks. http://i.imgur.com/pOfezYn.jpg I theory crafted this before 1.7 and it is every bit as insane as I thought it would be. It is fun, but the only real infantry counter is high alpha strike damage (read: Remote Explosives). Missile tanks are pretty dangerous to my unhardened armor, but infantry AV has been unable to apply the sustained DPS, and any time I encounter an organized squad, I can just run away. A possible solution might be to increase the clip size of the swarm launcher - let's say 10 or 12 rounds per clip. Thoughts? Or, you know, you could squad with a competent tanker. I really don't see the problem with that. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 143	Posted - 2013.12.12 14:11:00 - [15] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: Shields can be be a bit ridiculous as well. I was able to sneak up on a sica, a militia tank and get three proto level packed AV nades into it taking down all of its shields and 2/3 armor. It immediately hit it's shield booster(s) and was up to full shields before I could lock it with my swarm launcher. Then it was able to run so fast it was out of swarm launcher range before I could fully lock my third salvo of my first clip. And those two shots I got off were advanced level with 3 complex damage mods and took maybe 1/3. of its shields. There is something wrong here. When weapons that do one thing and one thing only: kill tanks, cannot even kill a militia tank. You just proved what they wanted. No solo for vehicles. If there were 2 of you working together, you woulda had it. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
KatanaPT Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 426	Posted - 2013.12.12 14:20:00 - [16] - Quote holy sheet, nice repair rate! Tech Guard Recruiting Spot
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 217	Posted - 2013.12.12 20:22:00 - [17] - Quote KatanaPT wrote: holy sheet, nice repair rate! I just maxed out the repair rate skill. Instead of 100 HP/s for my large armor reps, it does 125 HP/s each. The ability to regenerate while under fire makes it seem superior to shields. The ability to restore 3750HP in 10 seconds compensates for the lack of a hardener. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 3751	Posted - 2013.12.12 20:24:00 - [18] - Quote That thing is an infantry slayer. Wait for a hardened HAV to swoop in and ruin your day. Buff Shotguns
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 897	Posted - 2013.12.12 20:27:00 - [19] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: KatanaPT wrote: holy sheet, nice repair rate! I just maxed out the repair rate skill. Instead of 100 HP/s for my large armor reps, it does 125 HP/s each. The ability to regenerate while under fire makes it seem superior to shields. The ability to restore 3750HP in 10 seconds compensates for the lack of a hardener. But even a non-damage modded Gunnlogi with missiles will still be enough to take you out with one clip. Hey, if you want to sacrifice anti-vehicle abilities to increase your anti-infantry abilities, go for it! I, however, will be rolling around with my missile Gunnlogi... "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 217	Posted - 2013.12.12 20:29:00 - [20] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Luk Manag wrote: KatanaPT wrote: holy sheet, nice repair rate! I just maxed out the repair rate skill. Instead of 100 HP/s for my large armor reps, it does 125 HP/s each. The ability to regenerate while under fire makes it seem superior to shields. The ability to restore 3750HP in 10 seconds compensates for the lack of a hardener. But even a non-damage modded Gunnlogi with missiles will still be enough to take you out with one clip. Hey, if you want to sacrifice anti-vehicle abilities to increase your anti-infantry abilities, go for it! I, however, will be rolling around with my missile Gunnlogi... It just wrecks infantry - it was kind of my point. I was thinking we could get a bit of a boost to swarm clip + ammo if the devs were feeling merciful for xmas. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG

Commander Tzu L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 64	Posted - 2013.12.12 20:48:00 - [21] - Quote You all seem quite perturbed over this triple rep idea. Too bad it's wrong. Has anyone tried triple armor reps? Yea against militia swarms it will probably work well, but check it against a guy with proto swarms and you'll see that it won't keep you alive longer than just using a hardener. But, I agree with the speed thing, as a tanker I can say we don't even need fuel injectors, tanks are fast enough to get out of a bad situation without them if the driver is paying attention.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4153	Posted - 2013.12.12 20:53:00 - [22] - Quote That looks suspiciously similar in concept to my 110k Sica fitting. I have a regen delay, but I also get slightly more HP to play with. Also, what's your movement speed? I think I may have an edge there as well.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1623	Posted - 2013.12.12 20:58:00 - [23] - Quote With most tanks now, their main weakness is their cooldown. I have run behind a tank waiting for the hardeners to wear off, and when they did I hopped out of my LAV and destroyed it with two shots of my forge gun. I think more people need to realize what the animations of the tanks mean now. You have to surprise the tank and not give it a chance to back up or get away, or get to a position where you can shoot at it as it is running away. When the hardeners are down you have to go all out on it, if you see the tank boost its shields all the way back up you have a whole minute before it can do that again. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 218	Posted - 2013.12.12 21:00:00 - [24] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: That looks suspiciously similar in concept to my 110k Sica fitting. I have a regen delay, but I also get slightly more HP to play with. Also, what's your movement speed? I think I may have an edge there as well. No plates to slow me down, I can fit 1 damage amp (so I have a chance to kill tanks), or I can swap it for an LOL booster...not enough CPU for both. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1237	Posted - 2013.12.12 21:05:00 - [25] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: We should have a discussion about unkillable tanks. http://i.imgur.com/pOfezYn.jpg I theory crafted this before 1.7 and it is every bit as insane as I thought it would be. It is fun, but the only real infantry counter is high alpha strike damage (read: Remote Explosives). Missile tanks are pretty dangerous to my unhardened armor, but infantry AV has been unable to apply the sustained DPS, and any time I encounter an organized squad, I can just run away. A possible solution might be to increase the clip size of the swarm launcher - let's say 10 or 12 rounds per clip. Thoughts? y r u using nooby milta armor reps. dude get proto and u can put 2 on for the same deal. i mean i have 300 reps while having a hardener. it's pretty sick. :D Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry. Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan I ring for everyone. :D
The Attorney General 1616	Posted - 2013.12.12 21:08:00 - [26] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: It just wrecks infantry - it was kind of my point. I was thinking we could get a bit of a boost to swarm clip + ammo if the devs were feeling merciful for xmas. Why though? So medium frames can be the do everything suit again? I suspect that at least part of the motivation for nerfing swarms as they did was to promote people who want to roll AV to go into the fat suit, which is far better suited to engaging a tank than a medium suit. If that is the case, rolling back the nerf isn't going to happen, nor should it. If anything, buff the PLC, and let people who want to do serious damage to vehicles use that, instead of fire and forget swarms. As long as swarms lock and track, they should remain low damage weapons. Reward skill instead of gear. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Argent Mordred DUST University Ivy League 47	Posted - 2013.12.12 21:16:00 - [27] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Why though? So medium frames can be the do everything suit again? I suspect that at least part of the motivation for nerfing swarms as they did was to promote people who want to roll AV to go into the fat suit, which is far better suited to engaging a tank than a medium suit. If that is the case, rolling back the nerf isn't going to happen, nor should it. If anything, buff the PLC, and let people who want to do serious damage to vehicles use that, instead of fire and forget swarms. As long as swarms lock and track, they should remain low damage weapons. Reward skill instead of gear. Then what is the point of swarms? They aren't good against dropships and are only mediocre against lavs. I am fine with plasma cannons and the other factions' equivalents of it being the anti-tank weapon, but infantry should have some option that at least bloodies the HAV's nose enough that he has to do more than just back into the red line for 5 seconds and then come back if he or she wants to survive.
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 218	Posted - 2013.12.12 21:17:00 - [28] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Luk Manag wrote: It just wrecks infantry - it was kind of my point. I was thinking we could get a bit of a boost to swarm clip + ammo if the devs were feeling merciful for xmas. Why though? So medium frames can be the do everything suit again? I suspect that at least part of the motivation for nerfing swarms as they did was to promote people who want to roll AV to go into the fat suit, which is far better suited to engaging a tank than a medium suit. If that is the case, rolling back the nerf isn't going to happen, nor should it. If anything, buff the PLC, and let people who want to do serious damage to vehicles use that, instead of fire and forget swarms. As long as swarms lock and track, they should remain low damage weapons. Reward skill instead of gear. Good point about the skill requirement. The PLC has a 10% weakness vs armor and the re-fire rate is a bit laughable atm - if it did more direct damage or had a multi-shot clip it might be a good option. My best AV fit now is a logi with AV grenades and 3 sets of nanohives - it's also low skill, but it is the highest DPS option I can build. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
The Attorney General 1616	Posted - 2013.12.12 21:18:00 - [29] - Quote Argent Mordred wrote: Then what is the point of swarms? They aren't good against dropships and are only mediocre against lavs. I am fine with plasma cannons and the other factions' equivalents of it being the anti-tank weapon, but infantry should have some option that at least bloodies the HAV's nose enough that he has to do more than just back into the red line for 5 seconds and then come back if he or she wants to survive. Swarms are for scrubs. They are for people who cannot aim, cannot track, and are not competent enough to handle any other form of AV. They have always been for scrubs, just now they do damage roughly equal to the skill requirement. They are still effective for area denial, provided you are not shooting them at a shield tank with its hardeners on. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
The Attorney General 1621	Posted - 2013.12.12 21:20:00 - [30] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: Good point about the skill requirement. The PLC has a 10% weakness vs armor and the re-fire rate is a bit laughable atm - if it did more direct damage or had a multi-shot clip it might be a good option. My best AV fit now is a logi with AV grenades and 3 sets of nanohives - it's also low skill, but it is the highest DPS option I can build. The PLC is stupid bad right now for what it should be used for. Hopefully CCP gets the hint eventually. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.



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