DUST Search - scrubby takers defending broken tanks

Alpha 443-6732 wrote:

Atiim wrote:

Ivy Zalinto wrote:

Paran Tadec wrote:

You are killing this game. Tank 514, groups of av do nothing to tanks that can easily warp across the map, dropships laugh as they rain missiles from the sky.

As they should be able to, minus the warp speed of course. Your job as AV is to drive vehicles away and if their not smart it is to kill them. A tanks job is to make you switch to av and stop focusing on the infantry so they can come in and mop you up. Though if you just think about your movement routes you can usually avoid tanks pretty easily. Im used to having to do this though, full time scout. It could be an acquired trick of the trade or something

Nope.

AV's job is to be Anti-Vehicle. Meaning it is supposed to destroy vehicles. Nobody in their right mind would use something that can only chase something away.

A tanks job is to be support for breaching the front-lines. Not an indestructible god-mode machine that has the power of 6 when it only requires 1 to operate.

Not everyone has a low scan profile and not everyone has a fast sprint speed. And not everyone is, should be, or want to be a scout.

Here's an idea, why not make HAVs require teamwork as well?

Don't see it happening because ccp, but I would like that as well as a fix to small turret hit detection.

Infantry AV is still useful as well because it is basically free damage in the middle of a team fight. I make sure I always stick by my friendly AVers when engaging another tank.

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Paran Tadec Imperfect Bastards 1726	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:16:00 - [1] - Quote You are killing this game. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
TheBLAZZED VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 108	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:20:00 - [2] - Quote They are broken... but, put a milt nitrous on a soma, hit a hill and try not to smile.
CrotchGrab 360 Commando Perkone Caldari State 507	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:20:00 - [3] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: You are killing this game. Tank 514, groups of av do nothing to tanks that can easily warp across the map, dropships laugh as they rain missiles from the sky. i love watching the new physics make tanks hump each other. You've Been Hit By You've Been Struck By A Smooth Criminal
Zelorian Dexter snr 8thDivision 105	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:21:00 - [4] - Quote It's a bug it will be resolved. Then we can sit back and enjoy reading there QQ threads
4447 Resolution XIII 932	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:22:00 - [5] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: You are killing this game. Tank 514, groups of av do nothing to tanks that can easily warp across the map, dropships laugh as they rain missiles from the sky. This is how tanks should be Troll, For lifeGÇª But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
AP Grasshopper The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 56	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:28:00 - [6] - Quote Wait for the speed on HAV's to be adjusted and then we'll all be able to get back to our normal New Eden lives.
Bhor Derri Legion of Eden Covert Intervention 141	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:34:00 - [7] - Quote Ooh , there is a bug , loltankswtfomgbbq lets keep creating threads which gets barely any attention in a futile attempt to draw CCP attention. It's a bug , get over it Tanks are not mobile installations they move fast. Period.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4972	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:39:00 - [8] - Quote Seems more interesting than Infantry 514. Never forget How to fix the Logi
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 384	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:41:00 - [9] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: You are killing this game. Tank 514, groups of av do nothing to tanks that can easily warp across the map, dropships laugh as they rain missiles from the sky. I am that dropship, you're welcome. ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
Vos Nuwem ZionTCD Public Disorder. 42	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:42:00 - [10] - Quote I am that Tank, You're welcome. [00:21:51] jont moor > if a bhaalgorn falls in the woods and no one hears him, is he drunk?

Ploo-Koon Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 426	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:46:00 - [11] - Quote I am the walrus, You're welcome. (GöÉGöî ).....[ a¦Å^Gûá ].....{ a¦Å\°/a¦Å }.....( : : )
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 4077	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:46:00 - [12] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Seems more interesting than Infantry 514. Which, in all honesty, should have been rebalanced way before vehicles. forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
SEVENTY 6 FREE AGENTS LP 6	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:51:00 - [13] - Quote Tanks also cost next to nothing now and are easy to kill with other tanks. Just spam tanks if your having trouble. You can whine about the problem or you can find a solution. 68K somas and sicas just grab one and go for it.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 241	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:54:00 - [14] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Seems more interesting than Infantry 514. Dust is about immortal mercenaries not immortal tanks.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4776	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:57:00 - [15] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: You are killing this game. Tank 514, groups of av do nothing to tanks that can easily warp across the map, dropships laugh as they rain missiles from the sky. Yeah just like Scrbby AR or SL players were breaking this game..... "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. 2239	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:59:00 - [16] - Quote SEVENTY 6 wrote: Tanks also cost next to nothing now and are easy to kill with other tanks. Just spam tanks if your having trouble. You can whine about the problem or you can find a solution. 68K somas and sicas just grab one and go for it. Or they could just adjust the tanks a bit. Or buff the AV a LOT Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 241	Posted - 2013.12.11 19:01:00 - [17] - Quote SEVENTY 6 wrote: Tanks also cost next to nothing now and are easy to kill with other tanks. Just spam tanks if your having trouble. You can whine about the problem or you can find a solution. 68K somas and sicas just grab one and go for it. So we should be happy AV is useless? We should all join in line for tank 514? You either are not serious in thinking this is not a problem, or you are a fool. Pray tell, which is it?
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1517	Posted - 2013.12.11 19:01:00 - [18] - Quote SEVENTY 6 wrote: Tanks also cost next to nothing now and are easy to kill with other tanks. Just spam tanks if your having trouble. You can whine about the problem or you can find a solution. 68K somas and sicas just grab one and go for it. You will be extremely squishy with no mods "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
The legend345 TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 4287	Posted - 2013.12.11 19:15:00 - [19] - Quote To play devils advocate this games player base (troop) consists of noobs thinking their good by easy mode mechanics and sp differences. Tanker
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1841	Posted - 2013.12.11 19:36:00 - [20] - Quote SEVENTY 6 wrote: Tanks also cost next to nothing now and are easy to kill with other tanks. Just spam tanks if your having trouble. You can whine about the problem or you can find a solution. 68K somas and sicas just grab one and go for it. So instead of using the weapon that I spent over 4mil SP on, I should just use a MLT Tank? That's broken. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.

Hawkings Greenback Red Star. EoN. 83	Posted - 2013.12.11 19:39:00 - [21] - Quote Tanks = the new scouts Logi For Life-Mini Logi suit wearer & proud Forum Lurker-level unknown Do clones dream of Dolly the sheep
Zelorian Dexter snr 8thDivision 110	Posted - 2013.12.11 20:37:00 - [22] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Seems more interesting than Infantry 514. Tankers just don't like being moaned about is all. Let them have there fun lets be honest they have had a bad time recently
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1688	Posted - 2013.12.11 20:40:00 - [23] - Quote It's just a bugged Militia Nitro giving a 100% bonus instead of 10% Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 150	Posted - 2013.12.11 20:59:00 - [24] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: You are killing this game. Tank 514, groups of av do nothing to tanks that can easily warp across the map, dropships laugh as they rain missiles from the sky. As they should be able to, minus the warp speed of course. Your job as AV is to drive vehicles away and if their not smart it is to kill them. A tanks job is to make you switch to av and stop focusing on the infantry so they can come in and mop you up. Though if you just think about your movement routes you can usually avoid tanks pretty easily. Im used to having to do this though, full time scout. It could be an acquired trick of the trade or something Dedicated scout. New player tutor; scout instructor Scrambler Pistol dedication
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 246	Posted - 2013.12.11 21:30:00 - [25] - Quote Scouts die, assaults die, logies die, heavies die, av dies, lavs die, dropships die, but no tanks should just be repelled. They shouldn't die.. That would be unfair! Do you know how stupid that sounds?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1855	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:29:00 - [26] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: You are killing this game. Tank 514, groups of av do nothing to tanks that can easily warp across the map, dropships laugh as they rain missiles from the sky. As they should be able to, minus the warp speed of course. Your job as AV is to drive vehicles away and if their not smart it is to kill them. A tanks job is to make you switch to av and stop focusing on the infantry so they can come in and mop you up. Though if you just think about your movement routes you can usually avoid tanks pretty easily. Im used to having to do this though, full time scout. It could be an acquired trick of the trade or something Nope. AV's job is to be Anti-Vehicle. Meaning it is supposed to destroy vehicles. Nobody in their right mind would use something that can only chase something away. A tanks job is to be support for breaching the front-lines. Not an indestructible god-mode machine that has the power of 6 when it only requires 1 to operate. Not everyone has a low scan profile and not everyone has a fast sprint speed. And not everyone is, should be, or want to be a scout. Here's an idea, why not make HAVs require teamwork as well? DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Alpha 443-6732 274	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:33:00 - [27] - Quote Slag Emberforge wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Seems more interesting than Infantry 514. Dust is about immortal mercenaries not immortal tanks. Dust is about warfare involving immortal mercs, not the mercs themselves. You think EVE is about people staring each other down while inside their capsules? AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.
Alpha 443-6732 274	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:36:00 - [28] - Quote Atiim wrote: Ivy Zalinto wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: You are killing this game. Tank 514, groups of av do nothing to tanks that can easily warp across the map, dropships laugh as they rain missiles from the sky. As they should be able to, minus the warp speed of course. Your job as AV is to drive vehicles away and if their not smart it is to kill them. A tanks job is to make you switch to av and stop focusing on the infantry so they can come in and mop you up. Though if you just think about your movement routes you can usually avoid tanks pretty easily. Im used to having to do this though, full time scout. It could be an acquired trick of the trade or something Nope. AV's job is to be Anti-Vehicle. Meaning it is supposed to destroy vehicles. Nobody in their right mind would use something that can only chase something away. A tanks job is to be support for breaching the front-lines. Not an indestructible god-mode machine that has the power of 6 when it only requires 1 to operate. Not everyone has a low scan profile and not everyone has a fast sprint speed. And not everyone is, should be, or want to be a scout. Here's an idea, why not make HAVs require teamwork as well? Don't see it happening because ccp, but I would like that as well as a fix to small turret hit detection. Infantry AV is still useful as well because it is basically free damage in the middle of a team fight. I make sure I always stick by my friendly AVers when engaging another tank. AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 253	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:41:00 - [29] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: Atiim wrote: Ivy Zalinto wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: You are killing this game. Tank 514, groups of av do nothing to tanks that can easily warp across the map, dropships laugh as they rain missiles from the sky. As they should be able to, minus the warp speed of course. Your job as AV is to drive vehicles away and if their not smart it is to kill them. A tanks job is to make you switch to av and stop focusing on the infantry so they can come in and mop you up. Though if you just think about your movement routes you can usually avoid tanks pretty easily. Im used to having to do this though, full time scout. It could be an acquired trick of the trade or something Nope. AV's job is to be Anti-Vehicle. Meaning it is supposed to destroy vehicles. Nobody in their right mind would use something that can only chase something away. A tanks job is to be support for breaching the front-lines. Not an indestructible god-mode machine that has the power of 6 when it only requires 1 to operate. Not everyone has a low scan profile and not everyone has a fast sprint speed. And not everyone is, should be, or want to be a scout. Here's an idea, why not make HAVs require teamwork as well? Don't see it happening because ccp, but I would like that as well as a fix to small turret hit detection. Infantry AV is still useful as well because it is basically free damage in the middle of a team fight. I make sure I always stick by my friendly AVers when engaging another tank. Who gives a shart about damage? Victory, profit, and war points per match are what matter, and in that order. Victory needs no reason War points are "the most" effective measure of player utility Profit - no one wants to play to lose, and no one aims to lose ISK.
Skihids Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 2509	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:42:00 - [30] - Quote We are at the very start of a long beta test of vehicles and AV so we are bound to see lots of issues, both balance and bugs. The entire skill/module system and philosophy has been dramatically changed, and all those changes have been dropped into production with no player or large scale testing. We have no test server like EVE does so we will experience seismic shocks like this from time to time. Some bugs like the MLT overdrive made it past the Alpha testers and can be fixed quickly, but the core philosophy changes will take several patch releases to balance. It's rough, but relax and we will get through it.

Roner General Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 324	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:44:00 - [31] - Quote can't beat them join them Shotgun fag
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 957	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:52:00 - [32] - Quote SL= light weapon > light vehicle Also just to put this out there. REs are freaken BA now. Prt SL, SCR, SR . ADV FGs, MDs, LaZor, KNs. Gunnlogi, Falchion, Python, Caldari LDS. (+require) Prt L. Am, Adv HVY, LGS
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 262	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:56:00 - [33] - Quote Weren't you guys whining about AR 514 not even two days ago?
Horizen Kenpachi Kenpachi's Castle 33	Posted - 2013.12.11 23:57:00 - [34] - Quote Roner General wrote: can't beat them join them Luke come to the darkside I fucted ur mother (said cybertasticly) Hit me with your nerf bat.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 255	Posted - 2013.12.12 00:01:00 - [35] - Quote Xender17 wrote: SL= light weapon > light vehicle Also just to put this out there. REs are freaken BA now. Hard to use REs on a heavy, which I have easily dumped in 5 mil between weapons and suits. My character was made to be devoted to heavy anti-vehicle combat, which in its current state, feels like a waste.
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 2972	Posted - 2013.12.12 00:03:00 - [36] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: You are killing this game. Tank 514, groups of av do nothing to tanks that can easily warp across the map, dropships laugh as they rain missiles from the sky. Well ATIIM and I tried to tell you all. We fought EVERY AV vs vehicle Forum war while all of you just hid scared of getting Forum hate instead of DEFENDING our Av weapons that were barely working. And now we are here. Enjoy... Have fun tankers..have fun... SCR User Since release. Charge shot / Aim to the head / Listen to QQ
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 258	Posted - 2013.12.12 12:36:00 - [37] - Quote I am very adamant on the vehicle vs AV debate as well, and it was obvious the swarm nerf was going to cause issues. I would of fought harder on the subject of FGs but I guess CCP thought it was a fun game to omit that major part of the patch notes. If you look in game you see a long list of changes, did anyone see anything on FGs? nope! I do believe that CCP was just going to slip in this modification and not tell anyone so they could be spared the QQ, and it worked out so well for everyone now didn't it? And by everyone, I mean tankers.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1476	Posted - 2013.12.12 12:38:00 - [38] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: You are killing this game. Tank 514, groups of av do nothing to tanks that can easily warp across the map, dropships laugh as they rain missiles from the sky. Angry that your insane crutch doesn't work as well anymore? Jealous that the best counter to a tank is now another tank? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 851	Posted - 2013.12.12 12:43:00 - [39] - Quote Zelorian Dexter snr wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Seems more interesting than Infantry 514. Tankers just don't like being moaned about is all. Let them have there fun lets be honest they have had a bad time recently pre patch tanks could sustain 20 - 30 seconds of continous fire from a solo proto AV weapon. there was nothing bad about it before. there are problems, like AV scaling and roof forges, but those affects everyone, not only tanks and are related to map design and the SP system. all I saw was just tank QQ, that simple highlighted how bad some players really are. Atiim wrote: Ivy Zalinto wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: You are killing this game. Tank 514, groups of av do nothing to tanks that can easily warp across the map, dropships laugh as they rain missiles from the sky. As they should be able to, minus the warp speed of course. Your job as AV is to drive vehicles away and if their not smart it is to kill them. A tanks job is to make you switch to av and stop focusing on the infantry so they can come in and mop you up. Though if you just think about your movement routes you can usually avoid tanks pretty easily. Im used to having to do this though, full time scout. It could be an acquired trick of the trade or something Nope. AV's job is to be Anti-Vehicle. Meaning it is supposed to destroy vehicles. Nobody in their right mind would use something that can only chase something away. A tanks job is to be support for breaching the front-lines. Not an indestructible god-mode machine that has the power of 6 when it only requires 1 to operate. Not everyone has a low scan profile and not everyone has a fast sprint speed. And not everyone is, should be, or want to be a scout. Here's an idea, why not make HAVs require teamwork as well? this. my tank is cheaper than my proto suit but alot more effective. I am invicible to infantry as long as I watch my cooldowns & get out before the modules run out. the effort to kill my cheap tank is too much, just look at the isk alone required to kill it. I am not even using the buggy MLT nitro booster.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 406	Posted - 2013.12.12 12:45:00 - [40] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Weren't you guys whining about AR 514 not even two days ago? Is discussing new things in this game whining kid? Do you cry a lot? Those tanks are not even OP at the moment. They are broken. Like tanks on speed. Surely there is a fix around the corner..

Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 260	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:03:00 - [41] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Weren't you guys whining about AR 514 not even two days ago? Is discussing new things in this game whining kid? Do you cry a lot? Those tanks are not even OP at the moment. They are broken. Like tanks on speed. Surely there is a fix around the corner.. You'd hope so, and CCP is aware of it, they couldn't be bothered to let us know they are even looking into it. I really don't understand their development process. It seems like they just like to make as many changes as possible and not play test them at all.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 4069	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:18:00 - [42] - Quote TheBLAZZED wrote: They are broken... but, put a milt nitrous on a soma, hit a hill and try not to smile. THIS is the problem. The Militia Nitrous module is boosting speed and acceleration by ONE HUNDRED PERCENT instead of the 10% it's supposed to. Take that away from tanks, and you'll watch them suddenly become much easier to fight. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
IVIaster LUKE 133	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:24:00 - [43] - Quote Horizen Kenpachi wrote: Roner General wrote: can't beat them join them Luke come to the darkside I fucted ur mother (said cybertasticly) What you talking bout Willus! LOL. Your confused. That was a shape shifting Ewok. You might want to get a checkup my friend. Just saying. "If you can dodge a Wrench, you can dodge a Duvolle".
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 535	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:25:00 - [44] - Quote So was the speed bug hotfixed?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1895	Posted - 2013.12.12 13:49:00 - [45] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: TheBLAZZED wrote: They are broken... but, put a milt nitrous on a soma, hit a hill and try not to smile. THIS is the problem. The Militia Nitrous module is boosting speed and acceleration by ONE HUNDRED PERCENT instead of the 10% it's supposed to. Take that away from tanks, and you'll watch them suddenly become much easier to fight. Nope. I pulled out a Soma earlier and even without NOS it could still move fast enough to escape with no difficulty whatsoever. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.


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