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Asirius Medaius
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Posted - 2013.12.11 13:00:00 -
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Jumped into a FW match with a full squad of 6, and called in my dropship at the first chance I could get right when the match started so we could zerg the middle.
Dropship gets called down and I jump inside before any Blueberries take it; I was successful, and almost my entire squad came in as well besides one. Lifted a bit up and decided to head down and pick up the last guy. While I dropped down with very little speed, I apparently smashed an invisible spawning Blueberry while trying to get my last squadmate.
Right then and there, the game seems to lag out, and I am instantly banned from FW for a whole day, with a message informing me of a -450 standings loss.
I give up, I really do. First it's the two fatal errors, then it's the sonic-fast HAV's which I've seen outrun some LAVs (possibly nitrous injectors?), and now it's this punishment system which works all too quickly.
I'm starting to feel that I over-hyped myself with CCP's ability to make this patch completely successful, and I'm noticing more and more negative things about the game since it's change to 1.7 (let's not even get started on the damage and precision of the Rail Rifle, even in hip-fire).
Tl;Dr --> Friendly Fire in FW, and numerous other things in 1.7 that seem to have taken the fun out of Dust 514 that I enjoyed just days ago...
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Chibi Andy
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
750
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Posted - 2013.12.11 13:15:00 -
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next thing you know, CCP has FF activated for every time you take a step = 1dmg to the ground. then activate FF if you shoot the wall, FF every single object in FW
YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!!
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Asirius Medaius
744
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Posted - 2013.12.11 13:27:00 -
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Chibi Andy wrote:next thing you know, CCP has FF activated for every time you take a step = 1dmg to the ground. then activate FF if you shoot the wall, FF every single object in FW
I was testing the Combat Rifles and Rail Rifles distance and efficiency on a CRU that was ours, and I got a notification to stop friendly fire.
At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if I get kicked out of FW every day by either FF or "fatal error" (which only happened when 1.7 was deployed, and it was twice in the same day. I get tired of having to restart my PS3 after that message).
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Beeeees
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
328
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Posted - 2013.12.11 13:32:00 -
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The autokick needs to go. Its an unfitting mechanic and has nothing to do in DUST.
Punishment through teammates? Legit. Punishment through the system? Bullshit, because the system never works.
This is a sandbox environment, autokick has to go. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
1454
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Posted - 2013.12.11 13:54:00 -
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seems fine, just don't shoot your own ****.
as for the drop ship kill, that's a freak mistake not something that will happen often, if you excluded the possibility of drop ship friendly kill like that anyone could start dropship hopping to kill their own team.
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Chibi Andy
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
752
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Posted - 2013.12.11 13:57:00 -
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Asirius Medaius wrote:Chibi Andy wrote:next thing you know, CCP has FF activated for every time you take a step = 1dmg to the ground. then activate FF if you shoot the wall, FF every single object in FW I was testing the Combat Rifles and Rail Rifles distance and efficiency on a CRU that was ours, and I got a notification to stop friendly fire. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if I get kicked out of FW every day by either FF or "fatal error" (which only happened when 1.7 was deployed, and it was twice in the same day. I get tired of having to restart my PS3 after that message).
thats kinda harsh, what if someone is hacking your CRU and then you shoot at the guy to stop him from hacking, and some bullets hit the CRU and you get kicked because you try to help out.
guess FF is pretty bad until CCP fixes it.
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
1454
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Posted - 2013.12.11 13:59:00 -
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Chibi Andy wrote:Asirius Medaius wrote:Chibi Andy wrote:next thing you know, CCP has FF activated for every time you take a step = 1dmg to the ground. then activate FF if you shoot the wall, FF every single object in FW I was testing the Combat Rifles and Rail Rifles distance and efficiency on a CRU that was ours, and I got a notification to stop friendly fire. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if I get kicked out of FW every day by either FF or "fatal error" (which only happened when 1.7 was deployed, and it was twice in the same day. I get tired of having to restart my PS3 after that message). thats kinda harsh, what if someone is hacking your CRU and then you shoot at the guy to stop him from hacking, and some bullets hit the CRU and you get kicked because you try to help out. guess FF is pretty bad until CCP fixes it.
i've done this and no it takes alot of shots to get this warning.
you can shoot it a couple of time with stray shots, just don't throw grenades around it. |
steadyhand amarr
Scions of Athra
2082
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Posted - 2013.12.11 13:59:00 -
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iv not had any issues and sonunds like you need to reinstall dust, or do you just flip out than rather trying to find out whats going on iv been doing FW for two days now and called in OBs and i have 0 issues :)
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Texs Red
DUST University Ivy League
93
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Posted - 2013.12.11 14:02:00 -
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Yesterday I got kicked from a match because my unmanned dropship I used to get to an objective exploded and killed a squad mate. I would have died too but it kicked me before I could even finish dying :/
I'm sorry my dropship exploded from being shot by a tank but there isn't much I can do about that. Transporting people and vehicles might be the most dangerous way to go in FW, if you or your vehicle dies with anyone nearby or in it you will get instantly kicked (and -450 standing). |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
1454
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Posted - 2013.12.11 14:04:00 -
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Texs Red wrote:Yesterday I got kicked from a match because my unmanned dropship I used to get to an objective exploded and killed a squad mate. I would have died too but it kicked me before I could even finish dying :/
I'm sorry my dropship exploded from being shot by a tank but there isn't much I can do about that. Transporting people and vehicles might be the most dangerous way to go in FW, if you or your vehicle dies with anyone nearby or in it you will get instantly kicked (and -450 standing).
yep their are issues no doubt, paticularly with exploding vehicles, luckily not many vehicles explode anymore. |
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CCP Nullarbor
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.11 14:12:00 -
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We are investigating reports of the friendly fire kick not working as intended and being too aggressive, keep your eyes on the known issues thread for updates.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=126665
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1162
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Posted - 2013.12.11 14:17:00 -
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Can we have our standings back? Just this time, it's really annoying lose standings in this way, for no valid reason.
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Rentoku Gratzl
Legion of Eden Covert Intervention
9
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Posted - 2013.12.11 14:42:00 -
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Does this mean if I use a Jihad Jeep I'm getting my own LAV counted against me for FF? |
CELESTA AUNGM
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.11 15:41:00 -
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...Let me first say, no matter if Patch 1.7 is ultimately judged a flop or a fan's-choice of the year, it is the one patch that has generated some of the FUNNIEST, MOST ENTERTAINING, LAUGH-AT-WORK-TILL-YOU-CRY-FROM-HOLDING-IN-THE-GIGGLES posts and feedback ever. That alone has made this patch worth the trip.
I read another thread where AV players are discussing some ideas to defeat HAVs, because they admit they spent almost every match last night huddled for shelter in buildings together--with hordes of zipping-fast HAVs circling them for 20 minutes!
I personally did three Skirmish matches where I was able to WALK (like a blind hobo) clear across the maps without a single sniper or red dot throwing something at me (which as we know is UNHEARD of in Dust 514---usually you take 5 unguarded steps alone in the open, and the bullets wiz). The one moment a red dot jumped in front me ready to proto me for my carelessness.... he immediately was smooshed by one of his own HAV's, doing 80 clicks per hour and running from who-knows-what, and he didn't even look back to see what he'd done and didn't even notice ME in the middle of the road un-attacked.
Umm, but yes, the Friendly Fire will need to be perfected in the coming weeks. The "punishment for damage to friendly equipment/vehicles" is not really needed. Often you'll have to fire rounds on the skin of friendly equipment to kill the red dot who is attacking your friend or trying to hack the equipment! I doesn't make sense for me to "hold my fire--I might nick my friend's LAV and get a demerit notice".
One of us should start a Feedback thread suggesting some sort of "amnesty" mechanism for damage done to friendly equipment: the Blue who did the damage gets no negative effect at all to his standing. friendly fire on a blue vehicle or installation damages shield, but has immensely slow damage on its armour, thus reducing FF equipment damage nearly completely (well, NEARLY). the Blue who lost his vehicle to friendly fire gets no loss in inventory, so he can immediately RDV it back onto the field.
The posts here are correct. Penalizing for damage done to blue equipment/rides is nearly as improper as rewarding points for destroying them would be.
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just-what-you need
Scions of Athra
3
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Posted - 2013.12.11 15:53:00 -
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I'm a heavy, 100 consecutive days and this new update kill will to play |
Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
215
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Posted - 2013.12.11 15:54:00 -
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Asirius Medaius wrote:Jumped into a FW match with a full squad of 6, and called in my dropship at the first chance I could get right when the match started so we could zerg the middle.
Dropship gets called down and I jump inside before any Blueberries take it; I was successful, and almost my entire squad came in as well besides one. Lifted a bit up and decided to head down and pick up the last guy. While I dropped down with very little speed, I apparently smashed an invisible spawning Blueberry while trying to get my last squadmate.
Right then and there, the game seems to lag out, and I am instantly banned from FW for a whole day, with a message informing me of a -450 standings loss.
I give up, I really do. First it's the two fatal errors, then it's the sonic-fast HAV's which I've seen outrun some LAVs (possibly nitrous injectors?), and now it's this punishment system which works all too quickly.
I'm starting to feel that I over-hyped myself with CCP's ability to make this patch completely successful, and I'm noticing more and more negative things about the game since it's change to 1.7 (let's not even get started on the damage and precision of the Rail Rifle, even in hip-fire).
Tl;Dr --> Friendly Fire in FW, and numerous other things in 1.7 that seem to have taken the fun out of Dust 514 that I enjoyed just days ago...
This is a common problem for EVERYONE new to FW. What's happening is you haven't built up enough standings with the faction already to keep from being banned for "simple mistakes" yet. If you were a new player to the game, you would most likely not have enough SP to get into things like dropships and make the larger mistakes like you just did. Instead your mistakes would be scaled down to accidentally shooting friendly CRU's or players where it would take a longer time to accrue such negative numbers. Then later on when they finally did skill into a larger vehicle or dropship, they would already have a "buffer" of good loyalty standings to prevent being locked out like you were.
But being a much more experienced player you have to be EXTRA careful to behave safely until you have built up that buffer of standing with a new faction. This situation is an artificially created one due to the changes being implemented now in the game where so many players are already at higher skillpoint levels and thus are able to make much bigger mistakes with much bigger consequences without the buffer to back it up.
Just understand that you may have to play it a lot more cautiously with vehicles until you build up a "loyalty buffer" with your new factions. Then you can go back to the "good 'ol days" of rampant fun without regard for friendlies. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
2237
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Posted - 2013.12.11 15:56:00 -
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Jadd Hatchen wrote:Asirius Medaius wrote:Jumped into a FW match with a full squad of 6, and called in my dropship at the first chance I could get right when the match started so we could zerg the middle.
Dropship gets called down and I jump inside before any Blueberries take it; I was successful, and almost my entire squad came in as well besides one. Lifted a bit up and decided to head down and pick up the last guy. While I dropped down with very little speed, I apparently smashed an invisible spawning Blueberry while trying to get my last squadmate.
Right then and there, the game seems to lag out, and I am instantly banned from FW for a whole day, with a message informing me of a -450 standings loss.
I give up, I really do. First it's the two fatal errors, then it's the sonic-fast HAV's which I've seen outrun some LAVs (possibly nitrous injectors?), and now it's this punishment system which works all too quickly.
I'm starting to feel that I over-hyped myself with CCP's ability to make this patch completely successful, and I'm noticing more and more negative things about the game since it's change to 1.7 (let's not even get started on the damage and precision of the Rail Rifle, even in hip-fire).
Tl;Dr --> Friendly Fire in FW, and numerous other things in 1.7 that seem to have taken the fun out of Dust 514 that I enjoyed just days ago... This is a common problem for EVERYONE new to FW. What's happening is you haven't built up enough standings with the faction already to keep from being banned for "simple mistakes" yet. If you were a new player to the game, you would most likely not have enough SP to get into things like dropships and make the larger mistakes like you just did. Instead your mistakes would be scaled down to accidentally shooting friendly CRU's or players where it would take a longer time to accrue such negative numbers. Then later on when they finally did skill into a larger vehicle or dropship, they would already have a "buffer" of good loyalty standings to prevent being locked out like you were. But being a much more experienced player you have to be EXTRA careful to behave safely until you have built up that buffer of standing with a new faction. This situation is an artificially created one due to the changes being implemented now in the game where so many players are already at higher skillpoint levels and thus are able to make much bigger mistakes with much bigger consequences without the buffer to back it up. Just understand that you may have to play it a lot more cautiously with vehicles until you build up a "loyalty buffer" with your new factions. Then you can go back to the "good 'ol days" of rampant fun without regard for friendlies.
Did you not see the post from the Dev above? It's not working as intended, he didn't need a pep talk
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Zekain K
Expert Intervention Caldari State
786
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Posted - 2013.12.11 15:56:00 -
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The reason he was kicked was because he dealt more them 5000 damage to that one blueberry. Squishes like that can do more then 10k damage.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
122
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Posted - 2013.12.11 15:56:00 -
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You need to be careful your first few rounds, but once you go up a level or two, you won't get kicked for such a transgression. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
2238
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Posted - 2013.12.11 16:04:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:You need to be careful your first few rounds, but once you go up a level or two, you won't get kicked for such a transgression.
I don't think there are many issues of people getting kicked from firing weapons.
It's a glitch with vehicle damage
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Canari Elphus
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1078
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Posted - 2013.12.11 16:23:00 -
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Buffer or not, its stupid that something to trivial would lower your standings so much.
And, since your standing influences your payout, it hurts your wallet as well. FW is an ISK sink and the only true benefit is the specialist variant of weapons. CCP is absolutely dreadful at quality checking their updates to make sure that they work as intended. Otherwise we wouldnt have miitia mods that give HAVs 100% increase in speed.
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
2381
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Posted - 2013.12.11 16:30:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:iv not had any issues and sonunds like you need to reinstall dust, or do you just flip out than rather trying to find out whats going on iv been doing FW for two days now and called in OBs and i have 0 issues :)
I had to reinstall yesterday AFTER the patch, still had sound and com issues, got thrown into FW matches already underway most the time, dealt with teamkillers running around intentionally trying to sabotage the match (lucky u morons didn't kill my logi with a needle before u got wrecked and booted..scum)
post game dealing with the persistent buzzing noise... hard freezing throughout the night
and STILL beat down the doors of matari scum all night long...
insanity? dedication? absolutely nothing else to do?
prolly a little of all of it..
fortunately, the fun was in the pilots supporting our endeavors. long as I have that I'll likely hang around
Common Sense and Logic are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
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