The Rail Rifle is also an attempt to copy the Scrambler Rifle.

This is why the TAR is worse than the other two. It is not optimized like the other two are

You have things backwards.

TAR (Tactical Assault Rifle) is made by the Galente, who specialize in high damage, close range weapons. The tactical rifle is their attempt to copy the Ammarian Imperial Scrambler rifle. The Rail Rifle is also an attempt to copy the Scrambler Rifle.

This is why the TAR is worse than the other two. It is not optimized like the other two are

NO

Tactical AR i an attempt to copy scrambler rifle
Breach AR is an attempt to copy the rail rifle
Burst AR is an attempt to copy the combat rifle

Assault variants of the SCR, RR, and CR are attempts to copy the AR.

Rail rifle is not any kind of "tactical", or scrambler rifle mimic
Proof


to the OP:
You fail to mention the bigger magazine of the GEK, and the high kick and spool up time of the ADV rail rifle. DPS is not everything.

"Something is really wrong with the balance."

Um... DUH!''

The entire game is unbalanced. It's been this way since forevah!

On topic. The TAC is garbage.

You have things backwards.

TAR (Tactical Assault Rifle) is made by the Galente, who specialize in high damage, close range weapons. The tactical rifle is their attempt to copy the Ammarian Imperial Scrambler rifle. The Rail Rifle is also an attempt to copy the Scrambler Rifle.

This is why the TAR is worse than the other two. It is not optimized like the other two are

Guess I didn't edit my post fast enough

Regarding the tac AR, it requires higher SP and ISK because its a variant. Variants always require 1 skill higher and more ISK than the base rifles of the same tier, look at assault variants of the other rifles and their skill prerequisites.

Also, like I said before, tac rifle is not the same weapon type as the rail rifle, so you should not compare the 2; rail rifle is NOT A TACTICAL, its a breach. Its only fair to compare the tac AR to the scrambler rifle.
Compare the rail rifle to the breach AR.

That being said, it seems like the AR variants may need a buff. I don't think they should be inferior to what they're designed to mimic, just different.
Once all the rifles have all the variants (like burst SCR, breach CR, etc) I hope they on't be inferior to what they're designed to mimic.

You didn't mention the bigger magazine of the GEK, and the high kick and spool up time of the ADV rail rifle. DPS is not everything (was there before the edit, but IDK if you saw that comment).

Guess I didn't edit my post fast enough

Regarding the tac AR, it requires higher SP and ISK because its a variant. Variants always require 1 skill higher and more ISK than the base rifles of the same tier, look at assault variants of the other rifles and their skill prerequisites.

Also, like I said before, tac rifle is not the same weapon type as the rail rifle, so you should not compare the 2; rail rifle is NOT A TACTICAL, its a breach. Its only fair to compare the tac AR to the scrambler rifle.
Compare the rail rifle to the breach AR.

That being said, it seems like the AR variants may need a buff. I don't think they should be inferior to what they're designed to mimic, just different.
Once all the rifles have all the variants (like burst SCR, breach CR, etc) I hope they on't be inferior to what they're designed to mimic.

You didn't mention the bigger magazine of the GEK, and the high kick and spool up time of the ADV rail rifle. DPS is not everything (was there before the edit, but IDK if you saw that comment).

This is exactly what I ment. The topic is not to complain from galente weapons. I don't really care whit which weapon I will play tomorrow.
The main thing is why we need to have in the game dead weapons that are useless?
I would love to use TAK and burst and breach but really now they are useless.

Guess I didn't edit my post fast enough

Regarding the tac AR, it requires higher SP and ISK because its a variant. Variants always require 1 skill higher and more ISK than the base rifles of the same tier, look at assault variants of the other rifles and their skill prerequisites.

Also, like I said before, tac rifle is not the same weapon type as the rail rifle, so you should not compare the 2; rail rifle is NOT A TACTICAL, its a breach. Its only fair to compare the tac AR to the scrambler rifle.
Compare the rail rifle to the breach AR.

That being said, it seems like the AR variants may need a buff. I don't think they should be inferior to what they're designed to mimic, just different.
Once all the rifles have all the variants (like burst SCR, breach CR, etc) I hope they won't be inferior to what they're designed to mimic.

You didn't mention the bigger magazine of the GEK, and the high kick and spool up time of the ADV rail rifle. DPS is not everything (was there before the edit, but IDK if you saw that comment).

Kage, if I may?

I think you are on the right track, but wrong on your conclusion. Caldari RR should be SLIGHTLY better than Gallente Breach Plasma Rifle, as the Plasma rifle is a COPY, not the real deal. And the Assault variants of the other weapons should be SLIGHTLY worse than Plasma Rifle's standard. It has nothing to do with the fact that I like RR's more than Plasma Rifles, though I do, but that reverse engineered variants of weapons are usually not as efficient as the original. Just my two Isk.

I think every weapon should be just as viable as another in the same tier, regardless if its a copy or not, otherwise it seems sort of pointless to have that weapon if its inferior by design, and just becomes a waste of space nobody will use.

Thia is a pure comparison for weapon balance. It is not a complain which weapon is OP. If I found one weapon OP I will use it without complaining :).

The comparison is between the advanced types as the TAR starts from advanced lvl.

These are the stats:

Weapon DMGROF Optimal RangeEffective rangeISK
Rail 58.8 461 72 94 10770
Scrambler75.6 705.9 72 88 10770
TAC 75 400 55 77 17625

Rail rifle: full auto, excelent range, good damage, acceptable RoF, good scope, need charge but ut us extremely short. In general this is the perfect tactical rifle
Scrambler: Great damage + charged shot, excelent range, good scope, good accuracy, excelent RoF. Deadly weapon in generally I love it. It is overheating fast but with the Ammar assault dropsuite it is not so bad and can kill a heavy before overheat. single shot but still very fast. almost no recoil. Deadly charged shot.
TAC: I am still trying to like this weapon and to survive while using it. Excelent damage but poor RoF with high recoil, single shot, Poor range for tactical scoped weapon, small clip size, highest price.

TAC should be the premium weapon among those 3 tactical weapons, considering the higher price and higher level required. Still it is the weakes and almost not used in the game. I would love to use it but currently it is hard to survive with it concidering the other options.
In my opinion an increased range and clip size back to 24 will be a good start to pare with the rest of the tactical rifles, but to take its premioum place needs to get higher RoF like the Rail rifle at least considering thet TAC is a single shot , high recoil weapon.

Also I invested a lot into AR and now even GEK is weaker than the adv Rail even in close range.
Rail DPS (damage per second) = 451.78
GEK AR DPS = 446.25

Something is really wrong with the balance.

the tac has been either OP or UP this entire game, and really it needs a small damage boost and an change in the way it kicks, frankly it was in a really good place last time it was OP, but assholes with turbo controllers forced ccp to change the way it works and that meant it got the nerf bat like a mother ******. personally I would like to see it get 5 rounds @ 8rps off with next to no kick with a steep jump in kick after/above that that requires about a second to stabilize to around a 4 round burst @ 8rps.

still thats pretty abuseable with a programmable turbo controller. I ******* hate those things they break skill shot weapons with no benefit to games in any way, I wish the console manufactures would ******* prune their ******* walled gardens and god damn sue the pants off of anyone selling those things, and delete the accounts of anyone caught using home made ones.

NO

Tactical AR i an attempt to copy scrambler rifle
Breach AR is an attempt to copy the rail rifle
Burst AR is an attempt to copy the combat rifle

Assault variants of the SCR, RR, and CR are attempts to copy the AR.

Rail rifle is not any kind of "tactical", or scrambler rifle mimic
Proof


to the OP:
You fail to mention the bigger magazine of the GEK, and the high kick and spool up time of the ADV rail rifle. DPS is not everything.
EDIT: Regarding the tact AR, it requires higher SP because its a variant. Variants always require 1 skill higher than the base rifles of the same tier, look at assault variants of the other rifles and their skill prerequisites. Also, like I said before, it is not the same weapon type as the rail rifle, so you should not compare the 2, rail rifle is NOT A TACTICAL, its a breach.

TAC should be the premium weapon among those 3 tactical weapons, considering the higher price and higher level required.

TAR is more expensive not because it's supposed to be better, but because it's a modified variant of the base weapon.

So should it be a dead weapon just filling the marketplace? Or it can be be fixed? It already has low range. It can at least has no kick and a bit higher RoF. It is a single shot weapon at the end.

Something is really wrong with the balance.