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DusterBuster wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

DusterBuster wrote:

I have played EVE long enough to become a completely cynical bittervet. I would say the most important thing about boarding a ship is SPEED. You need to get to the capsuleer fast, quick, and hard. I would say a single squad of stealthy shotgun scouts. Run through the corridors and take out anything that gets in the way.

Why so fast? Well, if you board any of my ships (subcaps, I don't fly capitals) I would much rather self destruct than let it fall into the hands of my enemies. I am immortal, and I don't care about my crew, they knew what they were signing up for (there is a chronicle somewhere about starship crews, the smallest life expectancy of any occupation).

The question is, how do you take out the capsuleer, and what do you do if you succeed. If I sense a breach and can't self destruct, then I will just eject. If not, then you still need to find a way to breach the hyper advanced pod, which once happens will kill me and transfer my consiousness over to a new clone. No matter what happens, you can bet I will exact my revenge. And a few measly warbarges are no match for my artillery the size of minivans.

Fair call. I would however attempt to seize whichever part of the ship controls the self destruct action, maybe the engines?

If possible Jammers could be placed to elimate the possibility, if you did eject then that would be fine, we'd take your gear and leave. Its entirely possible we have spare tacklers to gets your pod, if you aren't fast enough when escaping, which you probably are.

Ah, your just in it for my stuff. For some reason I thought you were trying to kill me (a lot of good that would do). All you had to do was ask, I will gladly eject whatever scraps I have in my cargohold. The stuff on the outside of the ship is what is expensive (MWD, Guns, etc.). The only way you are getting that is if you can dock it at a station. But then comes the issue of who is going to fly it. Once my pod is outta the way, you are going to need another to replace it to operate the ship. If you have capsuleer friends, well good for you, mission success. If not, well I do, and I know how to use locator agents Blink

"Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL

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True Adamance Scions of Athra 4766	Posted - 2013.12.11 01:59:00 - [1] - Quote Hypothetically speaking how would you board a capsuleer ship, what dangers would you expect to face, what would you bring, how many men, what gear? Gimme the most detailed plan ever! "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1503	Posted - 2013.12.11 02:01:00 - [2] - Quote 1 man, unplug, capsule done. Ships that are controlled by capsuleers only have 1 crew (if I'm not mistaken) Fight INSIDE a titan though? Hmmm, yes please "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 96	Posted - 2013.12.11 02:02:00 - [3] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: 1 man, unplug capsule done. Ships that are controlled by capsuleers only have 1 crew (if I'm not mistaken) That's only frigates the larger ships have damage control crews. When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 408	Posted - 2013.12.11 02:03:00 - [4] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: 1 man, unplug capsule done. Ships that are controlled by capsuleers only have 1 crew (if I'm not mistaken) Actually they have lots of crew. My raven battleship has a crew of 7000
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 452	Posted - 2013.12.11 02:08:00 - [5] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: 1 man, unplug capsule done. Ships that are controlled by capsuleers only have 1 crew (if I'm not mistaken) Actually they have lots of crew. My raven battleship has a crew of 7000 Those poor men/women... Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane Kills- Incubus: 3; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 19; Tanks: 4
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1345	Posted - 2013.12.11 02:22:00 - [6] - Quote The most interesting thing about ship boarding missions is that they're single clone. No scratch that. The most interesting thing about ship boarding missions is the friendly EVE pilot we need in-squad to jack the ship once we've taken care of the onboard complement and internal defenses. I support SP rollover.
Onesimus Tarsus 708	Posted - 2013.12.11 02:24:00 - [7] - Quote One man, with enough explosives to do a hull breach in the largest interior void of the ship. After that, it's just math. Big red button that respecs your SP on demand. Protos only get points from killing protos.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4766	Posted - 2013.12.11 02:28:00 - [8] - Quote I would put together a platoon sized unit, with the intent to hijack a freighter, and eject its cargo for friendly ships to pick up. Small tackle ships would engage the target and get a tackle on it, preventing warp and movement. Small umbilical cords from a small cruiser sized ship would be attached, and the 24 man team would board. The first boarding team would be equipped with riot shield and Scrambler or Hard hitting armour piercing fire arms depending on defender equipment, the would breach the ship and secure a deployment zone. Faster moving Assault oriented teams would then seize the ships engine rooms, crew compartments, and cargo bays ejecting the cargo into space for allied freighters/ industrial ships to either burn or pick up. "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1902	Posted - 2013.12.11 02:28:00 - [9] - Quote Swimming there is more than 3 crew members on board. 1. Destroy engines/cannons on enemy ship. 2.go for a little space walk with the appropriate # of soldiers (I'm thinking 1 soldier : 1 capsuleer ratio) 3. Blow a hole in the side of the ship with some RE 4.breach and clear each room until the ship is captured and all valuables are retrieved. For a Titan.....that's a different story "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Criteria Shipment Baynaer Space Command 482	Posted - 2013.12.11 02:32:00 - [10] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Hypothetically speaking how would you board a capsuleer ship, what dangers would you expect to face, what would you bring, how many men, what gear? Gimme the most detailed plan ever! I would only bring... MY PANTS. I mean think about it! You can use pants to choke,whip,and cover up what ever mess you made. For example, you accidently spill coffee all over the self destruct button and it activates. You can use your pants to clean the spill up. Atleast you'll be dying with a clean self destruct button I'll show my way out... Goodbye, world! (püú-ÿ+í-ÿ-é)

DusterBuster Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 333	Posted - 2013.12.11 02:33:00 - [11] - Quote I have played EVE long enough to become a completely cynical bittervet. I would say the most important thing about boarding a ship is SPEED. You need to get to the capsuleer fast, quick, and hard. I would say a single squad of stealthy shotgun scouts. Run through the corridors and take out anything that gets in the way. Why so fast? Well, if you board any of my ships (subcaps, I don't fly capitals) I would much rather self destruct than let it fall into the hands of my enemies. I am immortal, and I don't care about my crew, they knew what they were signing up for (there is a chronicle somewhere about starship crews, the smallest life expectancy of any occupation). The question is, how do you take out the capsuleer, and what do you do if you succeed. If I sense a breach and can't self destruct, then I will just eject. If not, then you still need to find a way to breach the hyper advanced pod, which once happens will kill me and transfer my consiousness over to a new clone. No matter what happens, you can bet I will exact my revenge. And a few measly warbarges are no match for my artillery the size of minivans. Arguing over the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics - even if you win, you're still retarded.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 4050	Posted - 2013.12.11 02:35:00 - [12] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: 1 man, unplug, capsule done. Ships that are controlled by capsuleers only have 1 crew (if I'm not mistaken) Fight INSIDE a titan though? Hmmm, yes please https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/New_Eden_crew_guidelines There you are. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4767	Posted - 2013.12.11 02:36:00 - [13] - Quote DusterBuster wrote: I have played EVE long enough to become a completely cynical bittervet. I would say the most important thing about boarding a ship is SPEED. You need to get to the capsuleer fast, quick, and hard. I would say a single squad of stealthy shotgun scouts. Run through the corridors and take out anything that gets in the way. Why so fast? Well, if you board any of my ships (subcaps, I don't fly capitals) I would much rather self destruct than let it fall into the hands of my enemies. I am immortal, and I don't care about my crew, they knew what they were signing up for (there is a chronicle somewhere about starship crews, the smallest life expectancy of any occupation). The question is, how do you take out the capsuleer, and what do you do if you succeed. If I sense a breach and can't self destruct, then I will just eject. If not, then you still need to find a way to breach the hyper advanced pod, which once happens will kill me and transfer my consiousness over to a new clone. No matter what happens, you can bet I will exact my revenge. And a few measly warbarges are no match for my artillery the size of minivans. Fair call. I would however attempt to seize whichever part of the ship controls the self destruct action, maybe the engines? If possible Jammers could be placed to elimate the possibility, if you did eject then that would be fine, we'd take your gear and leave. Its entirely possible we have spare tacklers to gets your pod, if you aren't fast enough when escaping, which you probably are. "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
DusterBuster Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 333	Posted - 2013.12.11 02:41:00 - [14] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DusterBuster wrote: I have played EVE long enough to become a completely cynical bittervet. I would say the most important thing about boarding a ship is SPEED. You need to get to the capsuleer fast, quick, and hard. I would say a single squad of stealthy shotgun scouts. Run through the corridors and take out anything that gets in the way. Why so fast? Well, if you board any of my ships (subcaps, I don't fly capitals) I would much rather self destruct than let it fall into the hands of my enemies. I am immortal, and I don't care about my crew, they knew what they were signing up for (there is a chronicle somewhere about starship crews, the smallest life expectancy of any occupation). The question is, how do you take out the capsuleer, and what do you do if you succeed. If I sense a breach and can't self destruct, then I will just eject. If not, then you still need to find a way to breach the hyper advanced pod, which once happens will kill me and transfer my consiousness over to a new clone. No matter what happens, you can bet I will exact my revenge. And a few measly warbarges are no match for my artillery the size of minivans. Fair call. I would however attempt to seize whichever part of the ship controls the self destruct action, maybe the engines? If possible Jammers could be placed to elimate the possibility, if you did eject then that would be fine, we'd take your gear and leave. Its entirely possible we have spare tacklers to gets your pod, if you aren't fast enough when escaping, which you probably are. Ah, your just in it for my stuff. For some reason I thought you were trying to kill me (a lot of good that would do). All you had to do was ask, I will gladly eject whatever scraps I have in my cargohold. The stuff on the outside of the ship is what is expensive (MWD, Guns, etc.). The only way you are getting that is if you can dock it at a station. But then comes the issue of who is going to fly it. Once my pod is outta the way, you are going to need another to replace it to operate the ship. If you have capsuleer friends, well good for you, mission success. If not, well I do, and I know how to use locator agents . Arguing over the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics - even if you win, you're still retarded.
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 410	Posted - 2013.12.11 02:46:00 - [15] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: 1 man, unplug capsule done. Ships that are controlled by capsuleers only have 1 crew (if I'm not mistaken) Actually they have lots of crew. My raven battleship has a crew of 7000 Those poor men/women... Billions have died in the ten years of eve.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4768	Posted - 2013.12.11 02:47:00 - [16] - Quote DusterBuster wrote: True Adamance wrote: DusterBuster wrote: I have played EVE long enough to become a completely cynical bittervet. I would say the most important thing about boarding a ship is SPEED. You need to get to the capsuleer fast, quick, and hard. I would say a single squad of stealthy shotgun scouts. Run through the corridors and take out anything that gets in the way. Why so fast? Well, if you board any of my ships (subcaps, I don't fly capitals) I would much rather self destruct than let it fall into the hands of my enemies. I am immortal, and I don't care about my crew, they knew what they were signing up for (there is a chronicle somewhere about starship crews, the smallest life expectancy of any occupation). The question is, how do you take out the capsuleer, and what do you do if you succeed. If I sense a breach and can't self destruct, then I will just eject. If not, then you still need to find a way to breach the hyper advanced pod, which once happens will kill me and transfer my consiousness over to a new clone. No matter what happens, you can bet I will exact my revenge. And a few measly warbarges are no match for my artillery the size of minivans. Fair call. I would however attempt to seize whichever part of the ship controls the self destruct action, maybe the engines? If possible Jammers could be placed to elimate the possibility, if you did eject then that would be fine, we'd take your gear and leave. Its entirely possible we have spare tacklers to gets your pod, if you aren't fast enough when escaping, which you probably are. Ah, your just in it for my stuff. For some reason I thought you were trying to kill me (a lot of good that would do). All you had to do was ask, I will gladly eject whatever scraps I have in my cargohold. The stuff on the outside of the ship is what is expensive (MWD, Guns, etc.). The only way you are getting that is if you can dock it at a station. But then comes the issue of who is going to fly it. Once my pod is outta the way, you are going to need another to replace it to operate the ship. If you have capsuleer friends, well good for you, mission success. If not, well I do, and I know how to use locator agents . Well killing you would do nothing but inconvenience you somewhat, I place no value on your capsuleers life, it means nothing. Bust a clean job, ISK wise, fast and efficient, that would be a great heist. EDIT- Removed elaborate idea..... "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 807	Posted - 2013.12.11 02:51:00 - [17] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Hypothetically speaking how would you board a capsuleer ship, what dangers would you expect to face, what would you bring, how many men, what gear? Gimme the most detailed plan ever! Well, if you are boarding my ship then you'd be boarding a frigate, a Manticore to be exact. There you'd find that although lorewise my pilot should be plugged in, he is actually flying the thing conventionally. He is wearing an outfit much like Boba Fett and sitting next to him is a big furry thing that growls at you and rips your arm off. Sometimes I carry a gay robot that taunts me and tells me what is wrong with my ship. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 195	Posted - 2013.12.11 02:52:00 - [18] - Quote Message from Godin: Simple: sneak in through the drone bay, plant explosives, blow it. get a Cap' to tackle the ship, and then EMP it from the inside. After, do whatever you wish to the ship.
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 843	Posted - 2013.12.11 02:55:00 - [19] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: 1 man, unplug capsule done. Ships that are controlled by capsuleers only have 1 crew (if I'm not mistaken) Actually they have lots of crew. My raven battleship has a crew of 7000 Those poor men/women... http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/all-these-lives-are-fit-to-ruin-1/ Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Cenex Langly 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 470	Posted - 2013.12.11 02:56:00 - [20] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: 1 man, unplug, capsule done. Ships that are controlled by capsuleers only have 1 crew (if I'm not mistaken) Fight INSIDE a titan though? Hmmm, yes please They have hundreds to thousands of crew members depending on the size. Read the fiction. Newb

Dagger-Two Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords 164	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:05:00 - [21] - Quote Couple of problems: 1) Entering the ship - Blowing a hole with remote explosives? Good luck with that. The armour can withstand hits from starship weaponry, nothing you can carry on your person will scratch it (well, I shouldn't say nothing, but the things you could carry would annihilate you as well). Drone bays are also closed when not in use, plus the ship is shielded. If you're entering through existing holes in the ship done by weapons fire, the ship is on verge of destruction anyways. 2) Hacking anything on the ship - ...how exactly? The capsule interface gives a pilots nervous system a direct link to all major systems of the ship. It is the most advanced piece of electronic technology in New Eden. Capsuleer ships can withstand the potent viruses that Sansha use during incursions to cripple empire vessels, so how exactly do you hope to do it? 3) The moment you land on the hull, the capsuleer knows. He can FEEL your footsteps on his metal skin. He would feel pain at any attempts you made to cut into him. You assume he is just the pilot of the ship, but you're wrong. He IS the ship, and by that same token he can put any sort of creative uses to his ships systems. No reason he couldn't pass massive current through the hull, iradiate everything, overload energy or plasma conduits in specific sections to kill you. You would be dead long before you could reach anything resembling a self destruct console. As much as I know DUST players love the idea of boarding capsuleer ships, lore-wise it is extremely unrealistic
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 843	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:06:00 - [22] - Quote What would happen if we stopped your attack and managed to capture you? http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/the-rite/ Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11192	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:08:00 - [23] - Quote Attention Fleet I am being boarded, I am now primary target. take me out. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Rail and Combat Rifle =// Unlocked
Dagger-Two Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords 165	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:12:00 - [24] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Attention Fleet I am being boarded, I am now primary target. take me out. Also Capsuleers are suberb hackers which is why they're typically used to fight rogue drones because the drones are nasty buggers known for hacking regular ships. LOL, I could totally see that.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4768	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:17:00 - [25] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: Couple of problems: 1) Entering the ship - Blowing a hole with remote explosives? Good luck with that. The armour can withstand hits from starship weaponry, nothing you can carry on your person will scratch it (well, I shouldn't say nothing, but the things you could carry would annihilate you as well). Drone bays are also closed when not in use, plus the ship is shielded. If you're entering through existing holes in the ship done by weapons fire, the ship is on verge of destruction anyways. 2) Hacking anything on the ship - ...how exactly? The capsule interface gives a pilots nervous system a direct link to all major systems of the ship. It is the most advanced piece of electronic technology in New Eden. Capsuleer ships can withstand the potent viruses that Sansha use during incursions to cripple empire vessels, so how exactly do you hope to do it? 3) The moment you land on the hull, the capsuleer knows. He can FEEL your footsteps on his metal skin. He would feel pain at any attempts you made to cut into him. You assume he is just the pilot of the ship, but you're wrong. He IS the ship, and by that same token he can put any sort of creative uses to his ships systems. No reason he couldn't pass massive current through the hull, iradiate everything, overload energy or plasma conduits in specific sections to kill you. You would be dead long before you could reach anything resembling a self destruct console. As much as I know DUST players love the idea of boarding capsuleer ships, lore-wise it is extremely unrealistic I am sure there are ways, should a breach be able to be made we have not evidence to suggest that once something is placed in the breach the armour wont heal round the umbilical, allowing for boarding, or simply a device designed to penetrate the hull then disgorge troops once the breach is repaired. No reason to again suggest that we cannot use various forms of EWAR gear from withing the ship to cripple internal functions. I know how capsuleers integrate with the ship, well aware of it, and I am not saying the capsuleer would make it easy. But I doubt the internal superstructure of the ship would be as strong defensibly as the external plating, once inside the vessel I believe it would be vastly easier to access and damage the vessel....though this is mere speculation. "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4769	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:21:00 - [26] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Attention Fleet I am being boarded, I am now primary target. take me out. Also Capsuleers are suberb hackers which is why they're typically used to fight rogue drones because the drones are nasty buggers known for hacking regular ships. Would that matter to clones. For example I could see this happening to isolated Freighters....if a fleet did turn up, you turn tail and the mercs can remain aboard the vessel until friendlies are forced to destroy it. "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 2143	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:26:00 - [27] - Quote I did some math to blow a hole in the side of a Avatar titan with 0 mods (lol) it would take 400 boundless REs or 3846000 isk worth of explosives THIS IS ACCURATE IF DUST HP CORRELATES WITH EVE HP :) GÇƒWhy do toasters have a burn your toast to a crisp that no one would eat setting?" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Minja
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4769	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:27:00 - [28] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: I did some math to blow a hole in the side of a Avatar titan with 0 mods (lol) it would take 400 boundless REs or 3846000 isk worth of explosives THIS IS ACCURATE IF DUST HP CORRELATES WITH EVE HP :) It does not. "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5801	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:28:00 - [29] - Quote According to the lore, the vast majority of these Eve Online ships still have a standard crew despite being operated mainly by a Capsuleer. Frigates might have only one person but a destroyer or bigger will definitely have a crew of their own. And don't expect that crew to be unarmed. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5802	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:30:00 - [30] - Quote /Dust mercs board Eve ship /Capsuleer initiates self destruct /... /tears OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?

True Adamance Scions of Athra 4770	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:30:00 - [31] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: According to the lore, the vast majority of these Eve Online ships still have a standard crew despite being operated mainly by a Capsuleer. Frigates might have only one person but a destroyer or bigger will definitely have a crew of their own. And don't expect that crew to be unarmed. The link posted by Mobius said about 1500 crewmen, but I doubt many of that number will be proficient in combat, maybe half at best, and fewer still will be outfitted to deal with dropsuits and the advanced technology we have. (( we are effectively space marines)) "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4770	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:32:00 - [32] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: /Dust mercs board Eve ship /Capsuleer initiates self destruct /... /tears Isnt that what we would want? We essentially destroyed a capsuleers ship. "Shudder. Again another smart idea from an Amarr..."- Forlorn Destrier (11/12/13) LAWL
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 152	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:36:00 - [33] - Quote Getting inside the ship, again, is easier said then done. The best shot you'd have would be going in through a hanger or having sleeper agents already on the inside. Once you have a full team ready for deployment? Go ape **. No, really. The inside of a craft is manned by teams of drones and marines to guard them. Yet, it stands to light that capsuleers have always been overconfident. They'd be caught totally off guard by any internal offensive. Assuming they haven't self destructed yet, you have one major objective left: Break everything you can get your hands on. Life support, drone bays... Frankly space inside a starship is tight enough. You literally can't throw a rock without hitting something important. You're primary object for destroying a ship should be accessing the ammo dump. If you can detonate the payload of any missile ammunition then you can effectively deal a crippling blow to any battleship. Does your ship operate off hybrid tech? You're out of luck soldier. In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.**
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5802	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:37:00 - [34] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: According to the lore, the vast majority of these Eve Online ships still have a standard crew despite being operated mainly by a Capsuleer. Frigates might have only one person but a destroyer or bigger will definitely have a crew of their own. And don't expect that crew to be unarmed. The link posted by Mobius said about 1500 crewmen, but I doubt many of that number will be proficient in combat, maybe half at best, and fewer still will be outfitted to deal with dropsuits and the advanced technology we have. (( we are effectively space marines)) For now, most of the crew are not well trained and are mostly prepared to deal with something like mutiny or whatnot. But once this starts happening, don't be surprised if the crews begin to adapt to the new threat. After all, they are paid by the Capsuleers. Apparently, 1000 ISK is a lot of money to a normal citizen. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 2143	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:51:00 - [35] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: I did some math to blow a hole in the side of a Avatar titan with 0 mods (lol) it would take 400 boundless REs or 3846000 isk worth of explosives THIS IS ACCURATE IF DUST HP CORRELATES WITH EVE HP :) It does not. great now i have to drop a ob on a supply depot record damage done per shot use RE on supply depot record damage done than compare damage differences than use EVE stats for the turret that I dropped the OB with to calculate EVEs DPS version for REs than calculate how many you would need to blow a hole in a Avatar :( GÇƒWhy do toasters have a burn your toast to a crisp that no one would eat setting?" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Minja


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