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CCP Remnant wrote:

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

CCP Remnant wrote:

Ishukone haved worked closely with the Minmatar in the past. Before his death, Otro Gariushi gave Maleatu Shakor Insorum, the antidote for Vitoc for FREE. When it could've been worth trillions.

Seems only fitting that Ishukone would manufacture the occasional Minmatar weapon don't you think?

Unrelated, but you once said this, basically each race's rifle will have variants to mimic the others. Is that still planned? right now the AR has all variants, but the scrambler rifle and the new upcoming rifles seem to only have assault variants.

The base rail rifle is a "breach", slow firing automatic.
Also gets an assault variant.
So rail rifle is missing tactical, and burst.

The base combat rifle is an "burst", fires in 3 round bursts.
Also gets an assault variant.
So rail rifle is missing tactical, and breach.

The base scrambler rifle is a "tactical", fires single fire long range.
Also gets an assault variant.
So rail rifle is missing burst, and breach.

The base assault rifle is a "assault", fires in fast automatic fire.
Also gets a breach variant.
Also gets a burst variant.
Also gets a tactical variant.
So assault rifle is missing NOTHING, and gets EVERYTHING.

You're a hard to find dev on the forums, so I just had to ask despite how unrelated it is.

They're still planned. They won't be coming in the same release as the rail rifle and combat rifle though.

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Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2345	Posted - 2013.12.10 23:08:00 - [1] - Quote Hey, so I have been a long time enthusiast of the Breach Assault Rifle. It has a RPM of 400 Damage of like 51 Accuracy around 56 Clip of 32 But then comes along the Rail Rifle. At first I was excited. It was said to perform very much like the Breach assault rifle but have longer rifle. I was soooo happy. But now that I have tried the Rail Rifle, I am heavily disappointed. The Rail Rifle is too good by comparison! It has +61 to the RPM but with a very miniscule charge feature It has like 7 more damage It has +2 to the accuracy and +10 Clip size. It's CPU/PG is slightly more but it more than warrants the use of the rail rifle. CCP the rail rifle had to be different not better in all aspects! It hands down beats the Breach Assault Rifle which does not make any sense! Who would dare use the Breach AR now? I personally believe that the Rail Rifle and Breach Assault Rifle need their RPM switched. It doesn't make sense that a Gallente close-quarters weapon is Out-DPS'd by a Caldari Rail Rifle. If I am correct the Rail Rifle followed the idea of the Breach AR but for Longer ranges. But this! This is just crazy, the Rail Rifle competes so much better than the Breach Assault Rifle at close quarters it is ridiculous. CCP please make this right. Do not kill the breach AR just because people want the FOTM. I understand it was never very popular, but it warrants no right to kill it.
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 664	Posted - 2013.12.10 23:14:00 - [2] - Quote I thought it should have a lower RoF. Maybe that charge applied with every bullet shot? Right now it seems like an AR but with a charge in front of it. A 0.5 second charge. Other than that, it definitely does obliterate the B-AR. ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Rail Rifle Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.12.11 00:12:00 - [3] - Quote I am over powered
DeadlyAztec11 2697	Posted - 2013.12.11 00:18:00 - [4] - Quote Well that is disappointing news. Both the BAR and the Burst AR need to be buffed for close range. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4128	Posted - 2013.12.11 00:44:00 - [5] - Quote well the breach is just supposed to be the gallente's version of the rail rifle, it makes sense that the rail rifle would out perform it. similar situation with the TAR and the SR. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 664	Posted - 2013.12.11 01:56:00 - [6] - Quote Rail Rifle wrote: I am over powered You get a like for the early name-snipe. :D ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 664	Posted - 2013.12.11 01:59:00 - [7] - Quote I would like it if all other Assault Rifle variants were removed, OR they add the other variants to the other guns. It's just always confused me that they would add in Tac-ARs, Breach-ARs, etc to Assault Rifles, but not to RRs, CBRs, or SCRs. ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7382	Posted - 2013.12.11 02:22:00 - [8] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: I would like it if all other Assault Rifle variants were removed, OR they add the other variants to the other guns. It's just always confused me that they would add in Tac-ARs, Breach-ARs, etc to Assault Rifles, but not to RRs, CBRs, or SCRs. Well the way its suppose to work is that each racial rifle has its own firing style. Rail rifle - breach (slow automatic, high damage) firing style Assault rifle - assault (fast automatic) firing style Scrambler rifle - tactical (semi-automatic) Combat rifle - burst In addition to these base rifle behaviors, they are supposed to have variants to mimic the style of the others. The assault rifle already has all the variants to mimic the other race's rifles, yet the other races only have assault variants to mimic the assault rifle. I inquired about this, and CCP Remnant informed me the full variant sets are planned for all the racial rifles. I can't wait for m burst scrambler rifle. Quote CCP Remnant wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: CCP Remnant wrote: Ishukone haved worked closely with the Minmatar in the past. Before his death, Otro Gariushi gave Maleatu Shakor Insorum, the antidote for Vitoc for FREE. When it could've been worth trillions. Seems only fitting that Ishukone would manufacture the occasional Minmatar weapon don't you think? Unrelated, but you once said this, basically each race's rifle will have variants to mimic the others. Is that still planned? right now the AR has all variants, but the scrambler rifle and the new upcoming rifles seem to only have assault variants. The base rail rifle is a "breach", slow firing automatic. Also gets an assault variant. So rail rifle is missing tactical, and burst. The base combat rifle is an "burst", fires in 3 round bursts. Also gets an assault variant. So rail rifle is missing tactical, and breach. The base scrambler rifle is a "tactical", fires single fire long range. Also gets an assault variant. So rail rifle is missing burst, and breach. The base assault rifle is a "assault", fires in fast automatic fire. Also gets a breach variant. Also gets a burst variant. Also gets a tactical variant. So assault rifle is missing NOTHING, and gets EVERYTHING. You're a hard to find dev on the forums, so I just had to ask despite how unrelated it is. They're still planned. They won't be coming in the same release as the rail rifle and combat rifle though. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7382	Posted - 2013.12.11 02:28:00 - [9] - Quote Reguarding the breach AR, it should have something going for it. I believe it should have higher damage to make up for its limited range, ROF, and magazine size. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Stephen Seneca Intara Direct Action Caldari State 8	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:02:00 - [10] - Quote All versions of the AR arent the best in their respective firing styles? **** this, CCP YOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR!!! Personally though, I still find the Duvolle AR is the best overall weapon out there on the field. It would be nice to have a balance where the choice isnt too obvious. This reminds me that I armor plate stack my Cal medium. I will stick with the rail rifle and fear most CQC.

Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1903	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:10:00 - [11] - Quote Ummmmm breach AR was just a placeholder for the RR....so naturally the RR should be better.....just tossing this out here "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2346	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:11:00 - [12] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Reguarding the breach AR, it should have something going for it. I believe it should have higher damage to make up for its limited range, ROF, and magazine size. Precisely. However to stick with racial trends, I believe the ROF should be switched to fit the gallente theme: Low Damage, High ROF, High DPS, Short Range But this Rail Rilfe really upsets the eco system of AR Variants
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 666	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:12:00 - [13] - Quote Actually, the Rail Rifle works great in CQC. The tight spread allowed me to take down many-a-protos and a couple heavies as well. :D ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 666	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:13:00 - [14] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: I believe the ROF should be switched to fit the gallente theme: Low Damage, High ROF, High DPS, Short Range Gallente have always been insanely high damage, low RoF, and Short Range. So you're 1/3rd right. Low Damage/High RoF is Minmatar's thing (What with the Combat Rifle/SMG and all that). ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2346	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:14:00 - [15] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Ummmmm breach AR was just a placeholder for the RR....so naturally the RR should be better.....just tossing this out here No but you see that means that the next step logically is to remove the Breach AR from the game, because if it has absolutely nothing going for it than who would use it? It would not make sense to introduce a mimic that is inferior in every way. The aSCR, ARR, and ACR can all keep up with the Assault Rifle, but why shouldn't the Breach keep up with the Rail Rifle?
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2346	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:16:00 - [16] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: Gallente have always been insanely high damage, low RoF, and Short Range. So you're 1/3rd right. Low Damage/High RoF is Minmatar's thing (What with the Combat Rifle/SMG and all that). What? Nooooo think Assault Rifle, How high the DPS of a shotgun is when it has damage of 32 not good example, think Blaster turrets. Compare that to the Caldari weapons which are Low RoF & High Damage
DeadlyAztec11 2702	Posted - 2013.12.11 03:20:00 - [17] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: I believe the ROF should be switched to fit the gallente theme: Low Damage, High ROF, High DPS, Short Range Gallente have always been insanely high damage, low RoF, and Short Range. So you're 1/3rd right. Low Damage/High RoF is Minmatar's thing (What with the Combat Rifle/SMG and all that). Actually Gallante are not low ROF, Caldari are. Gallante are CQC beasts. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1904	Posted - 2013.12.11 12:19:00 - [18] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Ummmmm breach AR was just a placeholder for the RR....so naturally the RR should be better.....just tossing this out here No but you see that means that the next step logically is to remove the Breach AR from the game, because if it has absolutely nothing going for it than who would use it? It would not make sense to introduce a mimic that is inferior in every way. The aSCR, ARR, and ACR can all keep up with the Assault Rifle, but why shouldn't the Breach keep up with the Rail Rifle? It shouldn't, like how the TAR can't keep up with a scrambler rifle of equal tier. They should remove the Breach AR and the TAR asap..... "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2349	Posted - 2013.12.12 01:05:00 - [19] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: It shouldn't, like how the TAR can't keep up with a scrambler rifle of equal tier. They should remove the Breach AR and the TAR asap..... Don't try to relate the TAR to this situation because the TAR vs Scrambler rifle is a sketchy one. One has heat, heat damage, and variable damage while the TAR can unload a clip as fast as it wants and has consistent damage. The only non-comparable trait between the Breach and the Rail Rifle is that the Rail Rifle has a miniscule, nearly negligible charge up time. Also what do you suppose should happen to all the other weapons? You think they should remove the Assault Scrambler Rifle, the Assault Combat Rifle, and the Assault Rail Rifle? If so, why did they add them? They can't be placeholders because the assault rifle already exists. And why is it that the Assault SCR, RR, CR can keep up with the Assault Rifle but it's wrong that the Breach should be able to keep up to the Rail Rifle? If you do believe so, then please, continue the campaign against weapon variants. Long live Vanilla huh? I have nothing against you but I believe that removing weapon variants or "Killing" them goes against the progress of a diverse Dust 514.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1906	Posted - 2013.12.12 01:42:00 - [20] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: It shouldn't, like how the TAR can't keep up with a scrambler rifle of equal tier. They should remove the Breach AR and the TAR asap..... Don't try to relate the TAR to this situation because the TAR vs Scrambler rifle is a sketchy one. One has heat, heat damage, and variable damage while the TAR can unload a clip as fast as it wants and has consistent damage. The only non-comparable trait between the Breach and the Rail Rifle is that the Rail Rifle has a miniscule, nearly negligible charge up time. Also what do you suppose should happen to all the other weapons? You think they should remove the Assault Scrambler Rifle, the Assault Combat Rifle, and the Assault Rail Rifle? If so, why did they add them? They can't be placeholders because the assault rifle already exists. And why is it that the Assault SCR, RR, CR can keep up with the Assault Rifle but it's wrong that the Breach should be able to keep up to the Rail Rifle? If you do believe so, then please, continue the campaign against weapon variants. Long live Vanilla huh? I have nothing against you but I believe that removing weapon variants or "Killing" them goes against the progress of a diverse Dust 514. No harm done :) I think that the racial variant of each weapon type (ie. scrambler rifle, AR, RR, CR) should be better than the other races variants of the rifle type. (So SCR trumps TAR, RR beats BAR, AR beats all assault variant weapons, CR beats Burst AR) Just my opinion, nothing against anyone :) "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies

CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 507	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:38:00 - [21] - Quote i thought it was a 36 round clip?
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2356	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:43:00 - [22] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: i thought it was a 36 round clip? It is I F*d up the stats but the point I'm getting at remains. The RR beats the BAR in all stats except CPU/PG and maybe max ammo I have no good reason for posting wrong info other than I confused the numbers
Zan Azikuchi G.R.A.V.E 26	Posted - 2013.12.12 06:45:00 - [23] - Quote If the BAR is on equal grounds to the RR than the Ishukone assault rail rifle should be on par to a duvolle assault rifle. I had an entire text here regarding this topic but my Ps3 deletes everything when i decide to post... G.R.A.V.E - Dead men tell no tale...
AR Scrub Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.12.12 07:37:00 - [24] - Quote hi i dont like the RR cuz it maeks my gun not as op ARS rule kthx
843 nerfnut96 BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 197	Posted - 2013.12.12 07:37:00 - [25] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Ummmmm breach AR was just a placeholder for the RR....so naturally the RR should be better.....just tossing this out here No but you see that means that the next step logically is to remove the Breach AR from the game, because if it has absolutely nothing going for it than who would use it? It would not make sense to introduce a mimic that is inferior in every way. The aSCR, ARR, and ACR can all keep up with the Assault Rifle, but why shouldn't the Breach keep up with the Rail Rifle? Just remember that it does have one major thing going for it. You can use it without spending more SP as long as you're speced into GAR. Capt. Nerfnut96 // Ranking Officer // War Director // Burgezz ETF
Cass Caul 511	Posted - 2013.12.12 09:08:00 - [26] - Quote 843 nerfnut96 wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Ummmmm breach AR was just a placeholder for the RR....so naturally the RR should be better.....just tossing this out here No but you see that means that the next step logically is to remove the Breach AR from the game, because if it has absolutely nothing going for it than who would use it? It would not make sense to introduce a mimic that is inferior in every way. The aSCR, ARR, and ACR can all keep up with the Assault Rifle, but why shouldn't the Breach keep up with the Rail Rifle? Just remember that it does have one major thing going for it. You can use it without spending more SP as long as you're speced into GAR. Considering that I have AR, ScR, and RR all proto there's no way I'd use the mimics or any of them. They are inferior in most ways. If anything, the AR is still the best because it has the best assault variant and can play the other styles with less CPU/PG than the others without having to skill into them. The Breach AR was never any good to begin with, complaining that the Rail Rifle has a niche is not a reason to start a thread and whine about it. +Éß¦ëddGêÇ -çou -Äll+É-çoGö¦ A girl, on the internet?! I roll to disbelieve.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1804	Posted - 2013.12.12 10:19:00 - [27] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: 843 nerfnut96 wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Ummmmm breach AR was just a placeholder for the RR....so naturally the RR should be better.....just tossing this out here No but you see that means that the next step logically is to remove the Breach AR from the game, because if it has absolutely nothing going for it than who would use it? It would not make sense to introduce a mimic that is inferior in every way. The aSCR, ARR, and ACR can all keep up with the Assault Rifle, but why shouldn't the Breach keep up with the Rail Rifle? Just remember that it does have one major thing going for it. You can use it without spending more SP as long as you're speced into GAR. Considering that I have AR, ScR, and RR all proto there's no way I'd use the mimics or any of them. They are inferior in most ways. If anything, the AR is still the best because it has the best assault variant and can play the other styles with less CPU/PG than the others without having to skill into them. The Breach AR was never any good to begin with, complaining that the Rail Rifle has a niche is not a reason to start a thread and whine about it. The particular variants give the people the ability to compete with any other racial rifle class without speccing into them. The way things are now people still have to pick their favorite play style and spec into the weapon that matches it. Giving people options without making the other spec redundant seems to be just about right when it comes to racial rifle variants.
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 679	Posted - 2013.12.12 16:16:00 - [28] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: how high the DPS of a shotgun is when it has damage of 32 The shotgun's statistics lists the minimum damage it can do (It's optimal), it multiplies as it gets closer (Why I can 2-shot Protos without damage mods). ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 866	Posted - 2013.12.12 17:11:00 - [29] - Quote If any changes are made to the RR, I would like to see * Decrease RoF * Increase Damage * Decrease Clip Capacity * Little to no kick * Increase range a little more The RR should have a little lower DPS than the other rifles but make up for with its ability to dominate at longer ranges. The low RoF would make it an incredibly risky weapon to use in CQC. As for the BAR, it should have the highest DPS of the ARs (and racial rifles for that matter [not considering the ScR's charge shot]) but have less range in exchange. !
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2363	Posted - 2013.12.12 17:48:00 - [30] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: Cass Caul wrote: The Breach AR was never any good to begin with, complaining that the Rail Rifle has a niche is not a reason to start a thread and whine about it. The particular variants give the people the ability to compete with any other racial rifle class without speccing into them. The way things are now people still have to pick their favorite play style and spec into the weapon that matches it. Giving people options without making the other spec redundant seems to be just about right when it comes to racial rifle variants. Thank You! Some one who understands! The RR does NOT have a niche, it's supposed to be long range but like the Breach AR it is a CQC destroyer. How can the Breach AR compete with a weapon that is both godly in long range AND short range. But you understand that every weapon including variants should always be able to compete against another in some way. And Breach AR was good until the RR came around, Appia. It's just that twitch shooter junkies have no patience or finesse in the graceful dance that is the Breach AR. But thank god Talos, I mean, I was beginning to think no one understands the concept of weapon vs weapon. Just because it's a mimic doesn't mean it should be worse, just different in a few ways.

Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2363	Posted - 2013.12.12 17:52:00 - [31] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: If any changes are made to the RR, I would like to see * Decrease RoF * Increase Damage * Decrease Clip Capacity * Little to no kick * Increase range a little more The RR should have a little lower DPS than the other rifles but make up for with its ability to dominate at longer ranges. The low RoF would make it an incredibly risky weapon to use in CQC. As for the BAR, it should have the highest DPS of the ARs (and racial rifles for that matter [not considering the ScR's charge shot]) but have less range in exchange. Exactly. The Breach AR should out DPS the Rail Rifle but the Rail Rifle should out-range the Breach assault rifle. I am not sure about having the highest DPS of the Gallente rifles unless you mean buffing the damage while keeping the RoF. The slow RoF insures a tight hipfire spread which is necessary in those short ranged engagements where you don't want to reload nor miss shots (Breach AR kills in less shots).
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 869	Posted - 2013.12.12 18:02:00 - [32] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Krom Ganesh wrote: If any changes are made to the RR, I would like to see * Decrease RoF * Increase Damage * Decrease Clip Capacity * Little to no kick * Increase range a little more The RR should have a little lower DPS than the other rifles but make up for with its ability to dominate at longer ranges. The low RoF would make it an incredibly risky weapon to use in CQC. As for the BAR, it should have the highest DPS of the ARs (and racial rifles for that matter [not considering the ScR's charge shot]) but have less range in exchange. Exactly. The Breach AR should out DPS the Rail Rifle but the Rail Rifle should out-range the Breach assault rifle. I am not sure about having the highest DPS of the Gallente rifles unless you mean buffing the damage while keeping the RoF. The slow RoF insures a tight hipfire spread which is necessary in those short ranged engagements where you don't want to reload nor miss shots (Breach AR kills in less shots). Of course it should be a damage increase. It wouldn't be a breach weapon if it had a high RoF. !
Stephen Seneca State Patriots Templis Dragonaors 10	Posted - 2013.12.13 03:42:00 - [33] - Quote Now that a couple days have gone by I have a question for you guys. Do you find that the high end ARs outperform the Rail Rifles when firing over 100 metres? I originally imagined that the RRs would naturally be better in those cases, considering the typical RR has a big, bulky sniper scope on it. In most of my experience with the RR, it doesnt need the big scope as it wont perform effectively at those types of ranges anyway and it just blocks my vision. I find the RR can spank the AR between 50 to 80 metres.


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