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Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 362	Posted - 2013.12.09 09:45:00 - [91] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Long Evity wrote: How? It's just a different click for them. Anyone can access FW as easily as a pub. In fact, going by instinct, no facts, I would assume FW be the more popular game mode for noobs since it involves some sort of story compared to just pubs itself. People loved to feel involved on that Starmap lol They will see running pubs safer then FW should people not protostomp in pubs any longer. Like I say all the time, keep it in Lo-Sec. Let the newcomers have Hi-Sec. Names of playstyles
JL3Eleven 1405	Posted - 2013.12.09 09:45:00 - [92] - Quote SoTa "dust" your hands off we're done here. Skirmish 1.0 is a must for competitive play // Bring back Corp Battles Make me want to be an Ass. over a Logi.
Long Evity 654	Posted - 2013.12.09 09:49:00 - [93] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Long Evity wrote: How? It's just a different click for them. Anyone can access FW as easily as a pub. In fact, going by instinct, no facts, I would assume FW be the more popular game mode for noobs since it involves some sort of story compared to just pubs itself. People loved to feel involved on that Starmap lol They will see running pubs safer then FW should people not protostomp in pubs any longer. If you're debate is player experience, where is it more important. A game that doesn't matter, or a game that effects lore in some small ways? But if this is your logic I don't disagree with it. Players may enter FW - see all the top tier guys and gears going at it - get stomped -t hen go back to pubs to grind to get ready to back into FW. I love that concept, but I'd prefer FW to be just locked in general until a player reaches a certain SP point. But that's just an opinion. But with FW taking away ISK gains - proto stomping in pubs won't stop. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 736	Posted - 2013.12.09 09:52:00 - [94] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Long Evity wrote: How? It's just a different click for them. Anyone can access FW as easily as a pub. In fact, going by instinct, no facts, I would assume FW be the more popular game mode for noobs since it involves some sort of story compared to just pubs itself. People loved to feel involved on that Starmap lol They will see running pubs safer then FW should people not protostomp in pubs any longer. If you're debate is player experience, where is it more important. A game that doesn't matter, or a game that effects lore in some small ways? But if this is your logic I don't disagree with it. Players may enter FW - see all the top tier guys and gears going at it - get stomped -t hen go back to pubs to grind to get ready to back into FW. I love that concept, but I'd prefer FW to be just locked in general until a player reaches a certain SP point. But that's just an opinion. But with FW taking away ISK gains - proto stomping in pubs won't stop. Finally agreeing on something. Parody Dust 514 Lyrics Vote for Delt
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 362	Posted - 2013.12.09 09:54:00 - [95] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Long Evity wrote: How? It's just a different click for them. Anyone can access FW as easily as a pub. In fact, going by instinct, no facts, I would assume FW be the more popular game mode for noobs since it involves some sort of story compared to just pubs itself. People loved to feel involved on that Starmap lol They will see running pubs safer then FW should people not protostomp in pubs any longer. If you're debate is player experience, where is it more important. A game that doesn't matter, or a game that effects lore in some small ways? But if this is your logic I don't disagree with it. Players may enter FW - see all the top tier guys and gears going at it - get stomped -t hen go back to pubs to grind to get ready to back into FW. I love that concept, but I'd prefer FW to be just locked in general until a player reaches a certain SP point. But that's just an opinion. But with FW taking away ISK gains - proto stomping in pubs won't stop. Why not? It'll be cheaper to run, get this: CHEAP FITS. MORE ISK!!! WOW!!! Names of playstyles
Long Evity 654	Posted - 2013.12.09 09:56:00 - [96] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Long Evity wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Long Evity wrote: How? It's just a different click for them. Anyone can access FW as easily as a pub. In fact, going by instinct, no facts, I would assume FW be the more popular game mode for noobs since it involves some sort of story compared to just pubs itself. People loved to feel involved on that Starmap lol They will see running pubs safer then FW should people not protostomp in pubs any longer. If you're debate is player experience, where is it more important. A game that doesn't matter, or a game that effects lore in some small ways? But if this is your logic I don't disagree with it. Players may enter FW - see all the top tier guys and gears going at it - get stomped -t hen go back to pubs to grind to get ready to back into FW. I love that concept, but I'd prefer FW to be just locked in general until a player reaches a certain SP point. But that's just an opinion. But with FW taking away ISK gains - proto stomping in pubs won't stop. Finally agreeing on something. We'll squad up sometime, I'm SoTa PoP, I feel we may of just gotten off on a bad foot, or I misrepresented myself as too trolly somewhere down the line and turned you off. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 736	Posted - 2013.12.09 10:00:00 - [97] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Long Evity wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Long Evity wrote: How? It's just a different click for them. Anyone can access FW as easily as a pub. In fact, going by instinct, no facts, I would assume FW be the more popular game mode for noobs since it involves some sort of story compared to just pubs itself. People loved to feel involved on that Starmap lol They will see running pubs safer then FW should people not protostomp in pubs any longer. If you're debate is player experience, where is it more important. A game that doesn't matter, or a game that effects lore in some small ways? But if this is your logic I don't disagree with it. Players may enter FW - see all the top tier guys and gears going at it - get stomped -t hen go back to pubs to grind to get ready to back into FW. I love that concept, but I'd prefer FW to be just locked in general until a player reaches a certain SP point. But that's just an opinion. But with FW taking away ISK gains - proto stomping in pubs won't stop. Finally agreeing on something. We'll squad up sometime, I'm SoTa PoP, I feel we may of just gotten off on a bad foot, or I misrepresented myself as too trolly somewhere down the line and turned you off. Looking forward to it, hopefully in std gear lol Parody Dust 514 Lyrics Vote for Delt
JL3Eleven 1405	Posted - 2013.12.09 10:01:00 - [98] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Long Evity wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Long Evity wrote: How? It's just a different click for them. Anyone can access FW as easily as a pub. In fact, going by instinct, no facts, I would assume FW be the more popular game mode for noobs since it involves some sort of story compared to just pubs itself. People loved to feel involved on that Starmap lol They will see running pubs safer then FW should people not protostomp in pubs any longer. If you're debate is player experience, where is it more important. A game that doesn't matter, or a game that effects lore in some small ways? But if this is your logic I don't disagree with it. Players may enter FW - see all the top tier guys and gears going at it - get stomped -t hen go back to pubs to grind to get ready to back into FW. I love that concept, but I'd prefer FW to be just locked in general until a player reaches a certain SP point. But that's just an opinion. But with FW taking away ISK gains - proto stomping in pubs won't stop. Finally agreeing on something. We'll squad up sometime, I'm SoTa PoP, I feel we may of just gotten off on a bad foot, or I misrepresented myself as too trolly somewhere down the line and turned you off. This is cute Skirmish 1.0 is a must for competitive play // Bring back Corp Battles Make me want to be an Ass. over a Logi.
Long Evity 654	Posted - 2013.12.09 10:03:00 - [99] - Quote I'm a heavy in ADV gear, with Imperial ScR. ^_^ I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 736	Posted - 2013.12.09 10:04:00 - [100] - Quote Long Evity wrote: I'm a heavy in ADV gear, with Imperial ScR. ^_^ eh.... close enough Parody Dust 514 Lyrics Vote for Delt

Long Evity 655	Posted - 2013.12.09 10:04:00 - [101] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: This is cute Don't be jelly - you can come too. Just try to keep up with my fat azz :P I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Spartykins NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 1	Posted - 2013.12.09 10:34:00 - [102] - Quote 7/10 (Insert witty phrase here)
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 816	Posted - 2013.12.09 10:44:00 - [103] - Quote My vote is now and forever will be for ReGnYuM. We need someone in there who will TEAR IT UP! ReG would be all OVER them about fixing vital things that the game needs. Just make sure that everyone else you add to the CPM is straight-laced, I think ReG is all the troll the CPM cabinet can handle without exploding Edit: However, if I get to know you well enough, I may vote for you as well. I just don't know you at all, I've never really seen your name that I can recall. No offense intended... MINMATAR ARISE! DEMAND that our race's suits be FIXED!!! *WE WILL NOT GIVE IN!!* MATARI PRIDE!! FIX TTK!!
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 817	Posted - 2013.12.09 10:53:00 - [104] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Long Evity wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Long Evity wrote: How? It's just a different click for them. Anyone can access FW as easily as a pub. In fact, going by instinct, no facts, I would assume FW be the more popular game mode for noobs since it involves some sort of story compared to just pubs itself. People loved to feel involved on that Starmap lol They will see running pubs safer then FW should people not protostomp in pubs any longer. If you're debate is player experience, where is it more important. A game that doesn't matter, or a game that effects lore in some small ways? But if this is your logic I don't disagree with it. Players may enter FW - see all the top tier guys and gears going at it - get stomped -t hen go back to pubs to grind to get ready to back into FW. I love that concept, but I'd prefer FW to be just locked in general until a player reaches a certain SP point. But that's just an opinion. But with FW taking away ISK gains - proto stomping in pubs won't stop. Finally agreeing on something. We'll squad up sometime, I'm SoTa PoP, I feel we may of just gotten off on a bad foot, or I misrepresented myself as too trolly somewhere down the line and turned you off. LIES!! LIIIIIEEEEES!!!! SoTa PoP does not do this "squad" thing! He trolls local and public channels with one hand while trolling the forums with the other, using a 1993 St. Louis Blues beer-dispensing hat to supply his hydration needs!!! Tell me, as proof, do you...... like AMV's? (I know for a fact SoTa's stance on them) MINMATAR ARISE! DEMAND that our race's suits be FIXED!!! *WE WILL NOT GIVE IN!!* MATARI PRIDE!! FIX TTK!!
Long Evity 657	Posted - 2013.12.09 10:56:00 - [105] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: LIES!! LIIIIIEEEEES!!!! SoTa PoP does not do this "squad" thing! He trolls local and public channels with one hand while trolling the forums with the other, using a 1993 St. Louis Blues beer-dispensing hat to supply his hydration needs!!! Tell me, as proof, do you...... like AMV's? (I know for a fact SoTa's stance on them) Anime is gods gift to man. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 817	Posted - 2013.12.09 11:01:00 - [106] - Quote Ok, my mistake. Since when do you squad with random people? I can't believe they even included Gintama in that video! NO ONE I KNOW HAS EVER SEEN ANY GINTAMA!!! MINMATAR ARISE! DEMAND that our race's suits be FIXED!!! *WE WILL NOT GIVE IN!!* MATARI PRIDE!! FIX TTK!!
Long Evity 660	Posted - 2013.12.09 11:05:00 - [107] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Ok, my mistake. Since when do you squad with random people? I can't believe they even included Gintama in that video! NO ONE I KNOW HAS EVER SEEN ANY GINTAMA!!! Gintama ftw. I know plenty of AMV's with Gintama in it. ;) I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 817	Posted - 2013.12.09 11:25:00 - [108] - Quote Not to derail this thread further, but I have a bit of a confession on to make on anime.... I'm a big fan of certain American voice actors (Doug Stone, Vic Mignogna, Crispin Freeman to name a few), so any anime I watch with them voice acting in I have to watch dubbed instead of subbed. I R ASHAMED.... MINMATAR ARISE! DEMAND that our race's suits be FIXED!!! *WE WILL NOT GIVE IN!!* MATARI PRIDE!! FIX TTK!!
The Black Art Fatal Absolution 227	Posted - 2013.12.09 11:35:00 - [109] - Quote 8213 wrote: Its not just about the gear, it's about the mentality. Knowing you're playing fresh academy graduate noobs, people still use top teir gear, tanks, and every exploit they can to crush the other team to the most one-sided matches any FPS has ever had. And NOBODY can afford to run proto 100% in pubs without: a) Major corp backing b) An ISK farming alt c) Backing out of bad matches Sorry, but that's how it goes. Proto is beyond expensive compared to what pub matches pay out. You'd have to hold a KDR of 10 or higher to afford proto in pubs without ever backing out of game. I think a proto sniper is about the only thing that can be ran in pubs 24/7 for a profit. I used to run only ADV gear in Chromosome, then I ran nothing but PRO in Uprising because rich. I've made like 80 mil since Uprising running solely proto in pubs. Also this complaining over proto gear in pubs is real dumb, as it's CCP's fault. Most proto users are PC active. To PC players, pubs are not for good competition, they really are only for getting your weekly SP, as PC pays better. You get more SP and ISK the better your perform, so the incentive to use proto gear is there. 'But don't you feel bad for stomping newer players?' Sometimes, but what can I do? Use **** gear, perform worse, and slow down my SP and ISk gain? In other games people don't complain about the competitive players (professional gamers) stomping in pubs, because it's understood that they're just playing a game they enjoy, or practicing/trying something out, even if they outclass everyone in the match. You know what those other games have that Dust doesn't, to prevent all the tears? Proper matchmaking. The argument "Well I invested time to get this gear, I should be able to use it!" is valid. You wouldn't complain to a lvl 55 in CoD that he's using guns you don't have yet. You suck it up and put the time in to get to that level. Same thing, though time involved is far greater in Dust. PC players are among the most devout of Dust players. To not see them as a major factor is ridiculous, and like it was previously said, CCP needs to balance from the top down. Results will trickle down naturally. The FotM tends to follow PC players. A player uses an unpopular weapon/mod/fit in PC. It does well, other players mimic, therefore trying it out in pubs. Pub players get stomped, try out what they got stomped by, it spreads, now you have a FotM. CCP appeals to the masses by nerfing it (it may have been perfectly balanced in PC matches where almost everyone is min-maxed), weapon/mod/fit becomes outclassed in PC, new item takes its place, and repeat. PC players are the reason Logi suits are always FotM.
Long Evity 662	Posted - 2013.12.09 11:39:00 - [110] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Not to derail this thread further, but I have a bit of a confession on to make on anime.... I'm a big fan of certain American voice actors (Doug Stone, Vic Mignogna, Crispin Freeman to name a few), so any anime I watch with them voice acting in I have to watch dubbed instead of subbed. I R ASHAMED.... I prefer some anime in dub. It's preferance. I just think japanese VA's sound adorable for there overly-cute characters. It's a perfect match. And good points Black Art. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.

Emerald Bellerophon Nenikekamen 39	Posted - 2013.12.09 11:47:00 - [111] - Quote Long Evity wrote: [quote=] Example: If you play PC enough you'd understand LAV's have a limited use thanks to uplink spam, if you need to go somewhere fast, it's usually to a hot zone or an objective, in which case Uplinks should be nearby, that's how a good team operates. But if you don't PC you'd probably see LAV's as menacing and evil, not just an easy to blow up bucket. Please. I've been crapping on LAVs and spamming uplinks since Chromosome as a solo pub layer. It doesn't take Einstein in a PC match to work these things out.
Long Evity 662	Posted - 2013.12.09 11:55:00 - [112] - Quote Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Long Evity wrote: [quote=] Example: If you play PC enough you'd understand LAV's have a limited use thanks to uplink spam, if you need to go somewhere fast, it's usually to a hot zone or an objective, in which case Uplinks should be nearby, that's how a good team operates. But if you don't PC you'd probably see LAV's as menacing and evil, not just an easy to blow up bucket. Please. I've been crapping on LAVs and spamming uplinks since Chromosome as a solo pub player. It doesn't take Einstein in a PC match to work these things out. What, are you even talking about? I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Emerald Bellerophon Nenikekamen 39	Posted - 2013.12.09 11:56:00 - [113] - Quote The Black Art wrote: [quote=8213] PC players are among the most devout of Dust players. To not see them as a major factor is ridiculous, and like it was previously said, CCP needs to balance from the top down. Results will trickle down naturally. They'll trickle down just like money does in real life. There's no accumulative advantage here! ... ...or not.
Emerald Bellerophon Nenikekamen 39	Posted - 2013.12.09 12:11:00 - [114] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Long Evity wrote: [quote=] Example: If you play PC enough you'd understand LAV's have a limited use thanks to uplink spam, if you need to go somewhere fast, it's usually to a hot zone or an objective, in which case Uplinks should be nearby, that's how a good team operates. But if you don't PC you'd probably see LAV's as menacing and evil, not just an easy to blow up bucket. Please. I've been crapping on LAVs and spamming uplinks since Chromosome as a solo pub player. It doesn't take Einstein in a PC match to work these things out. What, are you even talking about? Presumably you are capable of reading, and yet your confusion will not be resolved merely by re-reading my post... LAVs can get places quickly, and once upon a time were even more popular in pub matches, but were really rather easy to blow up with AV grenades (or swarms if they became too incessant). Therefore, I would use those very weapons more, and drop many gagued uplinks, which could help my team more and get me more WP than investing in LAVs. All this, despite the fact that I am a lowly occasional mostl-solo player of only pub matches. And so, it seems, things can move at the lowest levels, too. If this idea needs further explanation, then perhaps you should rethink your assumption that PC is truly the home to an exclusive pinnacle of intelligence in DUST.
Long Evity 662	Posted - 2013.12.09 12:18:00 - [115] - Quote Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Long Evity wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Long Evity wrote: [quote=] Example: If you play PC enough you'd understand LAV's have a limited use thanks to uplink spam, if you need to go somewhere fast, it's usually to a hot zone or an objective, in which case Uplinks should be nearby, that's how a good team operates. But if you don't PC you'd probably see LAV's as menacing and evil, not just an easy to blow up bucket. Please. I've been crapping on LAVs and spamming uplinks since Chromosome as a solo pub player. It doesn't take Einstein in a PC match to work these things out. What, are you even talking about? Presumably you are capable of reading, and yet your confusion will not be resolved merely by re-reading my post... LAVs can get places quickly, and once upon a time were even more popular in pub matches, but were really rather easy to blow up with AV grenades (or swarms if they became too incessant). Therefore, I would use those very weapons more, and drop many gagued uplinks, which could help my team more and get me more WP than investing in LAVs. All this, despite the fact that I am a lowly occasional mostl-solo player of only pub matches. And so, it seems, things can move at the lowest levels, too. If this idea needs further explanation, then perhaps you should rethink your assumption that PC is truly the home to an exclusive pinnacle of intelligence in DUST. Uh... Let me try to this straight. SoTa says: LAV's are limited use in PC, uplinks pretty much are everyones go to for transportation, and they're spammed on both sides everywhere. When then you say: I've been crapping on LAV's and spamming uplinks.... I ask, "Huh?" Not understanding if you even had a point... Then you reply: Can you read?! LAV's are quick! But died fast, so I used weapons that killed them and dropped uplinks, which helped my team as I farmed WP, which works better then investing in LAV's (??) Am.. I getting this right? I really don't know, your style of speech is so rigid and your points are all over the place. One moment it seems like you're trying to say I'm wrong, but you then go on to support what I said originally... I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT CowTek IT Infotech 53	Posted - 2013.12.09 15:54:00 - [116] - Quote Hmm
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1625	Posted - 2013.12.09 16:00:00 - [117] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: I will be running for the CPM1 like my sig states. I can talk on the forums like anyone else, but in honesty, you dont get to know who you're voting for like that. So I invite anyone who wants to, to send me a squad invite or join my squad should you see me in game and get to know me. I want the community to know who they'll be voting for when the time comes around and make an informed opinion on it. You can also find me in the channel Scouts United (for my scout brothers out there), Drunk Night and the VOTE FOR DELT channel. I look forward to squading and playing some matches with anyone interested. If your ideas are to re work pc and you realise that implementing on what we have simply doesn't fix the rotten mechanics then you have my vote. Cosgar is also a good candidate but I'm not sure what he is doing. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.


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