DUST Search - Why the hate for the redline railtanks

Toby Flenderson wrote:

Ghosts Chance wrote:

Toby Flenderson wrote:

Ghosts Chance wrote:

Chunky Munkey wrote:

Because it's cowardly and you deserve to lose your tank.
Doesn't matter if it is a threat or not.

You're basically sticking a banner over your head saying "I really really don't want to die!".

to be fair i diddnt go into the redline untill i had no shields left, you would be amazed what punishment 7600 shields can take :P

no shields left after taking extreme amounts of fire from invisable infantry :P when i can see them they eat a rail shot :P

whats more cowardly? running from an invisable enamy? or being an invisable enamy?

They're only invisible if you're hiding in the redline. They literally couldn't survive 30 meters from a tank if that's where it was parked. Redline tactics are always the most cowardly tactic. It's like throwing water balloons out of the window of your bedroom at the kids outside knowing they can only hit you through a window when you choose to appear in it. If one would want to rail tank without being a coward, stay out of the redline.

so youve never been in a rail tank :P

they are invisable no matter where you are it has nothing to do with the redline :P

visual range is a crapshoot after the 20m mark they may or may not render past that.

while int he redline they cant see you they cant shoot you. they are literally dead weight to the team and are most oftin there trying to ditch the blueberrys out of the tank so they can recall and run on the ground :P

Are you telling me that targets cannot be seen past 20m while aiming a rail gun In tanks?

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Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 376	Posted - 2013.12.09 00:49:00 - [1] - Quote for the last 6 months they havnt been able to see infantry further then 30m why is it there mere sight of a railgun insights so much rage that 4-5 AV infantry instantly swamp it from outside render distance? come 1.7 i will exact my revenge bad furry style, and now that i will be able to see you prepaire to eat a rail shot to the face :P (bad furry was a better tanker then me, but i had better aim :P fear me infantry my wrath will be very disproportionate)
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2519	Posted - 2013.12.09 00:54:00 - [2] - Quote Because it's cowardly and you deserve to lose your tank. Doesn't matter if it is a threat or not. You're basically sticking a banner over your head saying "I really *really* don't want to die!". No.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 376	Posted - 2013.12.09 00:55:00 - [3] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Because it's cowardly and you deserve to lose your tank. Doesn't matter if it is a threat or not. You're basically sticking a banner over your head saying "I really *really* don't want to die!". to be fair i diddnt go into the redline untill i had no shields left, you would be amazed what punishment 7600 shields can take :P
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8502	Posted - 2013.12.09 00:56:00 - [4] - Quote Dropship Win ISK / Vids / O7
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 376	Posted - 2013.12.09 00:58:00 - [5] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Dropship i just LOS them when im in my python to be honest... they dont move much, that and rendering makes seeing a dropship over 250m away a stroke of luck or clever positioning.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8504	Posted - 2013.12.09 01:04:00 - [6] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dropship i just LOS them when im in my python to be honest... they dont move much, that and rendering makes seeing a dropship over 250m away a stroke of luck or clever positioning. Same can be said of that tank, I can't tell you how many times I've been shot by redline tanks that don't render until I'm IN the redline looking for them Win ISK / Vids / O7
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5705	Posted - 2013.12.09 01:08:00 - [7] - Quote Now that ammo will be limited, I can see how this will change. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 376	Posted - 2013.12.09 01:10:00 - [8] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dropship i just LOS them when im in my python to be honest... they dont move much, that and rendering makes seeing a dropship over 250m away a stroke of luck or clever positioning. Same can be said of that tank, I can't tell you how many times I've been shot by redline tanks that don't render until I'm IN the redline looking for them i dont bother looking for them, i can tell where they are based on where i am when i get hit + how my ship moves from the shot, then just deny them a target. them sitting alone in their redline tank away from all targets means one less man on the field. its more advantagious to let them live back there doing nothing then to kill them off.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2521	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:38:00 - [9] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Because it's cowardly and you deserve to lose your tank. Doesn't matter if it is a threat or not. You're basically sticking a banner over your head saying "I really *really* don't want to die!". to be fair i diddnt go into the redline untill i had no shields left, you would be amazed what punishment 7600 shields can take :P no shields left after taking extreme amounts of fire from invisable infantry :P when i can see them they eat a rail shot :P whats more cowardly? running from an invisable enamy? or being an invisable enamy? If you weren't in the redline to start with then you weren't a redline tank. In which case what do you expect people to do but shoot at you? No.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 381	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:40:00 - [10] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Because it's cowardly and you deserve to lose your tank. Doesn't matter if it is a threat or not. You're basically sticking a banner over your head saying "I really *really* don't want to die!". to be fair i diddnt go into the redline untill i had no shields left, you would be amazed what punishment 7600 shields can take :P no shields left after taking extreme amounts of fire from invisable infantry :P when i can see them they eat a rail shot :P whats more cowardly? running from an invisable enamy? or being an invisable enamy? If you weren't in the redline to start with then you weren't a redline tank. In which case what do you expect people to do but shoot at you? its just kinda odd the hate that inspires folks to grab a squad of 6 and charge at a tank before it fires a shot :P not only that dedicating 6 people to kill what is essentially a person acomplishing nothing useful (redline tank) is well... a poor use of resources... hes much more valuble to the enamy team alive then he is dead and repawning as infantry that might actually acomplish something.

Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 639	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:44:00 - [11] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: whats more cowardly? running from an invisable enamy? or being an invisable enamy? This is actually quite profound. Munch Dedicated Sniper. Minmatar Patriot.
Jammer Jalapeno BIG BAD W0LVES 91	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:48:00 - [12] - Quote There is no hate just love for blowing stuff up....why? Because we can. Just the other day our squad killed a Vayu in the redline...poor bastard didn't even stand a chance. We had 3 forgers all charged up ready to go, and as soon as our squad leader dropped the OB we all let off our forge balls, killing him instantly. MmMmMm TanKs....delicious TanKs
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8512	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:51:00 - [13] - Quote Jammer Jalapeno wrote: There is no hate just love for blowing stuff up....why? Because we can. Just the other day our squad killed a Vayu in the redline...poor bastard didn't even stand a chance. We had 3 forgers all charged up ready to go, and as soon as our squad leader dropped the OB we all let off our forge balls, killing him instantly. I suicide dropships into the redline pretty often to get those last couple shots in, it's actually a lot of fun Win ISK / Vids / O7
Jammer Jalapeno BIG BAD W0LVES 91	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:53:00 - [14] - Quote Yep we got those too lol MmMmMm TanKs....delicious TanKs
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 381	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:54:00 - [15] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Jammer Jalapeno wrote: There is no hate just love for blowing stuff up....why? Because we can. Just the other day our squad killed a Vayu in the redline...poor bastard didn't even stand a chance. We had 3 forgers all charged up ready to go, and as soon as our squad leader dropped the OB we all let off our forge balls, killing him instantly. I suicide dropships into the redline pretty often to get those last couple shots in, it's actually a lot of fun i agree, you can always tell when they panic too and it makes it even more hilarious.
Toby Flenderson research lab 138	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:59:00 - [16] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Because it's cowardly and you deserve to lose your tank. Doesn't matter if it is a threat or not. You're basically sticking a banner over your head saying "I really *really* don't want to die!". to be fair i diddnt go into the redline untill i had no shields left, you would be amazed what punishment 7600 shields can take :P no shields left after taking extreme amounts of fire from invisable infantry :P when i can see them they eat a rail shot :P whats more cowardly? running from an invisable enamy? or being an invisable enamy? They're only invisible if you're hiding in the redline. They literally couldn't survive 30 meters from a tank if that's where it was parked. Redline tactics are always the most cowardly tactic. It's like throwing water balloons out of the window of your bedroom at the kids outside knowing they can only hit you through a window when you choose to appear in it. If one would want to rail tank without being a coward, stay out of the redline.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 216	Posted - 2013.12.09 04:08:00 - [17] - Quote I find red line tanks to be cheapass scrub tactics, with that said, they are usually not very observant "see snipers" and I can frequently drive into red with my lav blow them away and drive out... But it largely depends on the map because of terrain.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 381	Posted - 2013.12.09 04:17:00 - [18] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Because it's cowardly and you deserve to lose your tank. Doesn't matter if it is a threat or not. You're basically sticking a banner over your head saying "I really *really* don't want to die!". to be fair i diddnt go into the redline untill i had no shields left, you would be amazed what punishment 7600 shields can take :P no shields left after taking extreme amounts of fire from invisable infantry :P when i can see them they eat a rail shot :P whats more cowardly? running from an invisable enamy? or being an invisable enamy? They're only invisible if you're hiding in the redline. They literally couldn't survive 30 meters from a tank if that's where it was parked. Redline tactics are always the most cowardly tactic. It's like throwing water balloons out of the window of your bedroom at the kids outside knowing they can only hit you through a window when you choose to appear in it. If one would want to rail tank without being a coward, stay out of the redline. so youve never been in a rail tank :P they are invisable no matter where you are it has nothing to do with the redline :P visual range is a crapshoot after the 20m mark they may or may not render past that. while int he redline they cant see you they cant shoot you. they are literally dead weight to the team and are most oftin there trying to ditch the blueberrys out of the tank so they can recall and run on the ground :P
Toby Flenderson research lab 138	Posted - 2013.12.09 04:26:00 - [19] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Because it's cowardly and you deserve to lose your tank. Doesn't matter if it is a threat or not. You're basically sticking a banner over your head saying "I really *really* don't want to die!". to be fair i diddnt go into the redline untill i had no shields left, you would be amazed what punishment 7600 shields can take :P no shields left after taking extreme amounts of fire from invisable infantry :P when i can see them they eat a rail shot :P whats more cowardly? running from an invisable enamy? or being an invisable enamy? If you weren't in the redline to start with then you weren't a redline tank. In which case what do you expect people to do but shoot at you? its just kinda odd the hate that inspires folks to grab a squad of 6 and charge at a tank before it fires a shot :P not only that dedicating 6 people to kill what is essentially a person acomplishing nothing useful (redline tank) is well... a poor use of resources... hes much more valuble to the enamy team alive then he is dead and repawning as infantry that might actually acomplish something. I can't stand to think that I'm just a fish in a barrel for someone not participating in a game more than sitting in the redline, be it a sniper or tanker. I get why people do it and I admit I snipe form the red when being proto stomped occasionally. The thing about tanks in the redline that make it so much worse is that you can't counter them any other way than dedicating multiple people to the cause or kamikaze drops hip tactics. They can't be counter sniped with a headshot or one hitted (unless maybe by a tank) and most AV is worthless since it can just back up out of view and repair itself. This annoys me more than most things in this game because tanks are already hard to kill without them being able to hide behind redlines.
Toby Flenderson research lab 138	Posted - 2013.12.09 04:29:00 - [20] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Toby Flenderson wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Because it's cowardly and you deserve to lose your tank. Doesn't matter if it is a threat or not. You're basically sticking a banner over your head saying "I really *really* don't want to die!". to be fair i diddnt go into the redline untill i had no shields left, you would be amazed what punishment 7600 shields can take :P no shields left after taking extreme amounts of fire from invisable infantry :P when i can see them they eat a rail shot :P whats more cowardly? running from an invisable enamy? or being an invisable enamy? They're only invisible if you're hiding in the redline. They literally couldn't survive 30 meters from a tank if that's where it was parked. Redline tactics are always the most cowardly tactic. It's like throwing water balloons out of the window of your bedroom at the kids outside knowing they can only hit you through a window when you choose to appear in it. If one would want to rail tank without being a coward, stay out of the redline. so youve never been in a rail tank :P they are invisable no matter where you are it has nothing to do with the redline :P visual range is a crapshoot after the 20m mark they may or may not render past that. while int he redline they cant see you they cant shoot you. they are literally dead weight to the team and are most oftin there trying to ditch the blueberrys out of the tank so they can recall and run on the ground :P Are you telling me that targets cannot be seen past 20m while aiming a rail gun In tanks?

Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 4023	Posted - 2013.12.09 04:30:00 - [21] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Dropship Yeah, one of those will splatter a Dropship while the pilot doesn't even know where they're being hit from. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 381	Posted - 2013.12.09 04:33:00 - [22] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Toby Flenderson wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Because it's cowardly and you deserve to lose your tank. Doesn't matter if it is a threat or not. You're basically sticking a banner over your head saying "I really *really* don't want to die!". to be fair i diddnt go into the redline untill i had no shields left, you would be amazed what punishment 7600 shields can take :P no shields left after taking extreme amounts of fire from invisable infantry :P when i can see them they eat a rail shot :P whats more cowardly? running from an invisable enamy? or being an invisable enamy? They're only invisible if you're hiding in the redline. They literally couldn't survive 30 meters from a tank if that's where it was parked. Redline tactics are always the most cowardly tactic. It's like throwing water balloons out of the window of your bedroom at the kids outside knowing they can only hit you through a window when you choose to appear in it. If one would want to rail tank without being a coward, stay out of the redline. so youve never been in a rail tank :P they are invisable no matter where you are it has nothing to do with the redline :P visual range is a crapshoot after the 20m mark they may or may not render past that. while int he redline they cant see you they cant shoot you. they are literally dead weight to the team and are most oftin there trying to ditch the blueberrys out of the tank so they can recall and run on the ground :P Are you telling me that targets cannot be seen past 20m while aiming a rail gun In tanks? relyably no visual range on infantry has a soft cap at around 120m, and a hard cap of 200m. reliably sight range is only 20m however as thats when infantry is 90% guarenteed to render (still not 100%) a redline rail tank cant see you. whats more cowardly, being a redline railtank that cant shoot anything? or being invisable while you kill said railtank if he leaves teh redline :P you claim that its cowardly to attack when what your attacking cant retaliate, and yet thats EXACTLY what AV guys are doing to railtanks in the first place.
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 408	Posted - 2013.12.09 04:46:00 - [23] - Quote Because, if they are given proper rendering, they are virtually unkillable while still possessing dominating killing power, also they are cowards for abusing the redline. They're essentially redline Thale-Heavys that can destroy vehicles as well as infantry and are much much much harder to kill. Think about it: infantry can't effectively harm them because that would require either redlining the enemy or sneaking behind enemy lines, with an AV weapon mind you. LAVs and tanks cannot because the tank can easily destroy them with it's good vantage point, not to mention trying to get past all the AV happy infantry, and dropships have insufficient DPS against tanks and are pretty much worthless if the driver has any sort of AV on him. An orbital may be your best bet, but the cowardly tanker always has his thumb poised for backing out of any sort of threat that might scratch his precious little tank. The problem is that they have no counter. If we were given something that can do a lot of damage to a stationary target, like a torpedo or bomb, or if fitting a rail required a cut to defenses or speed or something, then the would be balanced. But there's just nothing that the feasibly do anything to not even kill, but at least check them. Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane Kills- Incubus: 3; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 19; Tanks: 4
Foxhound Elite The Rainbow Effect 559	Posted - 2013.12.09 04:49:00 - [24] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dropship i just LOS them when im in my python to be honest... they dont move much, that and rendering makes seeing a dropship over 250m away a stroke of luck or clever positioning. you are either a really bad railgun tanker or you're new at it. I'm one of the most experienced pilots in Dust, and yet railgun redline tanks two-shot me before I can change direction / accelerate away, from across the entire map... redline to redline. I just find redline railgun tankers to be cowards and everytime I fly into the redline, take you lot down to barely any health before the timers out, you end up recalling the bloody tank. It's just cowardice. Python pilot, troop-transport specialist and an all-round ballbag.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 168	Posted - 2013.12.09 04:55:00 - [25] - Quote Because the redline is terrible mechanic in a game about risk-reward. The redline allows people (most notably and prolifically Thales snipers in heavy suits) to engage the enemy with the minimum risk: they have a barrier that denies enemy action (the redline will kill the enemy, preventing seek-and-destroy missions); they can project their power with no penalty (snipers and Railguns are the long range weapons, naturally and that's fine, but thye get a free safety net for their already less risky tactics.) The redline does have an upside...it stops the enemy from slaughtering a completely dominated opposition. Oh wait, it doesn't, it just makes it slower. I'm all for giving a beaten down team a chance, but there must be a better way than providing an extremely resilient buffer for snipers. I don't want to declare all snipers as coward, but snipers that claim that they should be able to utterly dominate a map, with enough power to one-shot infantry whilst simultaneously having a zone in which they can hide from retribution makes me have an extremely low opinion of snipers (infantry and vehicle alike.)
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 381	Posted - 2013.12.09 04:57:00 - [26] - Quote Foxhound Elite wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dropship i just LOS them when im in my python to be honest... they dont move much, that and rendering makes seeing a dropship over 250m away a stroke of luck or clever positioning. you are either a really bad railgun tanker or you're new at it. I'm one of the most experienced pilots in Dust, and yet railgun redline tanks two-shot me before I can change direction / accelerate away, from across the entire map... redline to redline. I just find redline railgun tankers to be cowards and everytime I fly into the redline, take you lot down to barely any health before the timers out, you end up recalling the bloody tank. It's just cowardice. ive shot you down before... in a python (as a gunner) your not as good as you think you are.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1451	Posted - 2013.12.09 04:59:00 - [27] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: for the last 6 months they havnt been able to see infantry further then 30m why is it there mere sight of a railgun insights so much rage that 4-5 AV infantry instantly swamp it from outside render distance? come 1.7 i will exact my revenge bad furry style, and now that i will be able to see you prepaire to eat a rail shot to the face :P (bad furry was a better tanker then me, but i had better aim :P fear me infantry my wrath will be very disproportionate) Even I hate redline rail tanks. If I can CQC infantry and vehicles with a railgun, there's no excuse for people to hide in the mountains with one. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 381	Posted - 2013.12.09 05:15:00 - [28] - Quote guys redline tanks for the last 6 months couldnt see infantry.... and could barly see vehicles.... how are you so angry at something that cant hurt you? (dropships are the exception sadly)
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1452	Posted - 2013.12.09 06:01:00 - [29] - Quote Foxhound Elite wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dropship i just LOS them when im in my python to be honest... they dont move much, that and rendering makes seeing a dropship over 250m away a stroke of luck or clever positioning. you are either a really bad railgun tanker or you're new at it. I'm one of the most experienced pilots in Dust, and yet railgun redline tanks two-shot me before I can change direction / accelerate away, from across the entire map... redline to redline. I just find redline railgun tankers to be cowards and everytime I fly into the redline, take you lot down to barely any health before the timers out, you end up recalling the bloody tank. It's just cowardice. Lol you obviously haven't been playing long. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 384	Posted - 2013.12.09 06:08:00 - [30] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Foxhound Elite wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dropship i just LOS them when im in my python to be honest... they dont move much, that and rendering makes seeing a dropship over 250m away a stroke of luck or clever positioning. you are either a really bad railgun tanker or you're new at it. I'm one of the most experienced pilots in Dust, and yet railgun redline tanks two-shot me before I can change direction / accelerate away, from across the entire map... redline to redline. I just find redline railgun tankers to be cowards and everytime I fly into the redline, take you lot down to barely any health before the timers out, you end up recalling the bloody tank. It's just cowardice. Lol you obviously haven't been playing long. it really is cute when they were around when the railtanks were the gods of the mountain-tops



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