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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
3583
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:06:00 -
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When SCRs, ASCRs, and Plasma Rifles are twice as effective in CQC, Proto Med Frames can tank one shot of my Proto Shotgun, its ridiculous, even ADV Meds can do it.
And this is with an Enhanced Damage Modifier.
Only Heavies should be able to do that.
Buff Shotguns
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8213
BIG BAD W0LVES
956
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:13:00 -
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Shot guns need a damage buff as far as content goes. They need to be the bane of everyone's existence in CQC.
You should be dead before you realized what happened if you turn the corner into a SG...
Nova knives, SGs, and HMGs have become a flippin' joke. They aren't even hard to use, they simply just don't work. They are "freebie kills" for all who go against them. |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
374
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:20:00 -
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Johnny Guilt wrote:proficiency damage bonus 10% per lvl would be nice 
maybe 5%
A strange game.
The only winning move is
not to play.
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DeadlyAztec11
2547
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:23:00 -
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Get a complex and use the specialist, or opt for the Breach.
If it could one shot you without any work it would be OP.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
416
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:25:00 -
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A shotgun buff would make me die in 1 shot on the legs cos i'm a scout and the guy who killed me was a med frame redberry with 400 EHP
Assassination is my thing.
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Phazoid
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
106
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:26:00 -
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funny enough yesterday me being a scout, i got shotgunner on my back at 6 mts, he fired, but i didnt die, i turned and killed the shotgunner, a medium frame with a smg, i dont know if that just speaks volumes of the shotgun, or it is just so ironically fulfilling.
Me and my inner demons stopped fighting......We are on the same side now...
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
3586
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:28:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Get a complex and use the specialist, or opt for the Breach.
If it could one shot you without any work it would be OP.
Its not like it would require 0 work from a simple damage buff, you'd still have to flank, get in position, and strafe to dodge rounds while trying to make every shot count.
The Shotgun is laughable as is.
The TAR is a more reliable CQC weapon.
Buff Shotguns
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
1499
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:32:00 -
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Chromosome, Shotguns, (old)Sharpshooter
Until they're back to that state, I don't even want to touch them.
(But, I do occasionally.)
Cheeseburgers.
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Tectonic Fusion
672
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:33:00 -
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To have fun to answer your question.
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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Joel II X
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
285
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:37:00 -
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I just want better hit detection. I only have operation 4 on shotgun so I can't really speak for the other skills. |
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
Top Men.
352
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:51:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Get a complex and use the specialist, or opt for the Breach.
If it could one shot you without any work it would be OP.
It's a weapon far outclassed by the likes of the AR/ScR and even possibly the SMG/SP.
I'm not saying it should OHK everything at STD but it should be able to deal high damage at high levels.
It has too many other restraints that would prevent it from being OP: extremely short range, low ROF, long reload. Hard to OP the shotgun when your enemy can just walk backwards and you have nothing you can do. |
ReGnYuM
Vindictive State
1461
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:54:00 -
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Above post confirm the following:
Little to none, PC experience.
If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514.
KDR>ALL
Sig Move: Minmatar Crub Stomp
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DEZKA DIABLO
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
119
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:59:00 -
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Mines at pro 4 , an 9/10 times lag effects what your doing ive shot a guy, staffed for the second shot then he dies, or he doesn't die an his stupid rifle kills me before the rof can let me shoot a second shot, or he hops backwards once an I'm out of range, sofriggenlame!
I skilled proficiency to shoot faster an it makes no difference, it's gotten me so mad that I switched almost all my fits to dual proto smg s with flux nades, an vola, 20 kill games again.
I'm a scout so fitting proto shot guns is tuff, but you gotta really get close, use shield dropping weapons from behind like a sc pistol or a flux then hit em, a sg does about 400 each shot, I've tested it , but you gotta be mad close, so with med frames stacking almost 1000 HP you gotta remove them shields 90% of the time first which ruins what a sg should do, should be 1000 damage at 5-8 m regardless of what anyone thinks , it's a future cqc weapon ment to ohk anythings else is unrealistic.
It shouldn't take steps to sg kill, step 1 remove shields, step 2 get the shot before the ttk of a op rifle |
Heavenly Daughter
the Aurum Grinder and Company
224
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:02:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:When SCRs, ASCRs, and Plasma Rifles are twice as effective in CQC, Proto Med Frames can tank one shot of my Proto Shotgun, its ridiculous, even ADV Meds can do it.
And this is with an Enhanced Damage Modifier.
Only Heavies should be able to do that.
There's nothing wrong with the shorty damage, I have suits with 700HP advanced that get killed in one shot, so if anything now the hit detection is better they really need to be NERFED TO HELL
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Ghost Kaisar
THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED
982
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:05:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Get a complex and use the specialist, or opt for the Breach.
If it could one shot you without any work it would be OP. It's a weapon far outclassed by the likes of the AR/ScR and even possibly the SMG/SP. I'm not saying it should OHK everything at STD but it should be able to deal high damage at high levels. It has too many other restraints that would prevent it from being OP: extremely short range, low ROF, long reload. Hard to OP the shotgun when your enemy can just walk backwards and you have nothing you can do.
The problem isn't the damage overall, it's the damage at proto.
STD Shotgun Vs. STD Med Frame: OHK
ADV Shotgun vs. ADV Med Frame: OHK (occasionally 2)
PRO Shotgun vs. PRO Med Frame: 2-3HK (4 on occasion, depends on the range of target and overall tank)
Maxed out, PRO shotgun deals around 500 damage. (This means FULL spread on target)
How many PRO's do you know that run under 500 eHP? If you engage outside of 5m, it will very likely take 2-3 shots to kill a standard Protobear.
This is the problem.
"All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
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DEZKA DIABLO
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
119
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:10:00 -
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That an heavies drop in two or 3, odd how a logi can take 4 an still be walking |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
8451
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:14:00 -
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SMG scout best scout
Win ISK / Vids / O7
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itsmellslikefish
DIOS EX.
Top Men.
739
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:31:00 -
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I sometimes get more kills with my milita shotty then i do with my proto SCR.
o7 4Hire
Pro 5-SR // Pro 4-SCR // Pro 3-PLC
Join DIOS EX
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DeadlyAztec11
2549
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:33:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:SMG scout best scout
Breach Scrambler Pistol Scout, is best scout.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Cody Sietz
Unkn0wn Killers
Renegade Alliance
1731
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:34:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Get a complex and use the specialist, or opt for the Breach.
If it could one shot you without any work it would be OP.
Yeah, this is the only way to use it nowadays. Feels like the old pre 1.4 shotty.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Rogue Saint
Science For Death
584
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:36:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:
STD Shotgun Vs. STD Med Frame: OHK
ADV Shotgun vs. ADV Med Frame: OHK (occasionally 2)
PRO Shotgun vs. PRO Med Frame: 2-3HK (4 on occasion, depends on the range of target and overall tank)
Maxed out, PRO shotgun deals around 500 damage. (This means FULL spread on target)
How many PRO's do you know that run under 500 eHP? If you engage outside of 5m, it will very likely take 2-3 shots to kill a standard Protobear.
This is the problem.
I would agree, but the reticule of the shotty is ****. If its not red, its not gunna hit, simple.
GôêGÆ+GÆ+GƦ - Bringing the dakka
[The whiny Scout]
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2809
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:38:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:When SCRs, ASCRs, and Plasma Rifles are twice as effective in CQC, Proto Med Frames can tank one shot of my Proto Shotgun, its ridiculous, even ADV Meds can do it.
And this is with an Enhanced Damage Modifier.
Only Heavies should be able to do that.
Whats the point in using the Shotgun?
None,. I use a Duvolle on my Mk.0 now.
And do 100% better.
WELCOME! TO ARMORED MED514 : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1565076#post1565076
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Cody Sietz
Unkn0wn Killers
Renegade Alliance
1732
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:42:00 -
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DEZKA DIABLO wrote:That an heavies drop in two or 3, odd how a logi can take 4 an still be walking
I can't drop heavies in 2 since the ehp buff unless I'm using a proto with a dmg mod and he isn't tanked.
It's usually 3 or if he is tanked 4.
Logis are much harder since they move faster and have about the same ehp as a heavy.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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DEZKA DIABLO
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
119
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Posted - 2013.12.08 00:33:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:DEZKA DIABLO wrote:That an heavies drop in two or 3, odd how a logi can take 4 an still be walking I can't drop heavies in 2 since the ehp buff unless I'm using a proto with a dmg mod and he isn't tanked. It's usually 3 or if he is tanked 4. Logis are much harder since they move faster and have about the same ehp as a heavy.
I Use the creo/ duvolle an I hit them in the back, usually twice before they turn an once in the face an the only thing that saves me is them being slow, caldari s are harder than heavies, minmatar an amar usually drop fast, but smg with a flux an a flank seems much more dependable |
Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
3604
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Posted - 2013.12.08 16:53:00 -
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Fluxed a Gallente Logi (Proto) to take out his Nanohives, succesful hit, he loses his shields, and his rep hives, so I jump out hit him with my Proto Shotgun (+1 Enhanced Damage Mod) at 5m and he guns me down and escapes with 234 Armour.
Buff Shotguns
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negative49er
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
377
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:55:00 -
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Because i like having fun
One day my shotgun will run out ammo
1.7 is the day if I fight or i give up
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Demon Buddah
NECROM0NGERS
Covert Intervention
76
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:43:00 -
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I can't seem to hurt anyone that moving anymore with my shotgun. Point blank shot and it seems to be getting worse and worse :( I loved that gun. But I just can't use it anymore |
Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
2122
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:58:00 -
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27/8 today in squad with u using std breach
GǃWhy do toasters have a burn your toast to a crisp that no one would eat setting?" -Draxus Prime
Closed Beta Vet
Minja
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
3627
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Posted - 2013.12.08 21:06:00 -
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Draxus Prime wrote:27/8 today in squad with u using std breach
Pub matches.
Buff Shotguns
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Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
2122
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Posted - 2013.12.08 21:12:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Draxus Prime wrote:27/8 today in squad with u using std breach Pub matches.
true
GǃWhy do toasters have a burn your toast to a crisp that no one would eat setting?" -Draxus Prime
Closed Beta Vet
Minja
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