I was doing some tests with the aim assist today with a friend on the opposing team, specifically against Heavy suits with me using an AR and was quite surprised how effective the tracking against them is.

Heavies as you know have a pretty damn big hitbox and, although I was unable to record a video to visually show you guys, pretty much at any range between 0-40m the gun will lock on and actually make it harder to miss than to hit. Admittedly, you do have to kind of struggle with the AA to get headshots because it does tend to veer towards the center of the target.

Even worse, when the Heavy is firing + moving it's damn near impossible to miss with AA as long as you get the initial lock-on. The Heavy moves so slow while firing that the AA will literally turn your crosshair to follow the Heavy as he walks around you in a circl). We tested exactly how much the crosshair would turn at 10m, 20m, and 30m before falling off. The Heavy was firing above me while doing a circle around me while I held my ADS on him.

At 10m, the AA fell off the target after turning roughly 45 degrees. At 20m and 30m, the AA would track the Heavy a full 360 degree circle as he walked around me and continued firing. Needless to say, I was pretty shocked that a scripted aim assist would physically make my character follow a target a full 360 degrees if they were slow and big enough.

With the Heavy's poor move speed and large hitbox, it's no wonder even with a base 1200 EHP Heavies get melted like a snowman on a summer day.

So what exactly can be done? Thoughts?

from the month of September to November it has done nothing but polarize the community

CCP has made hmg heavies the dinosaurs of dust. Once again chromosome > uprising.

Name one thing that hasn't polarized the community. One patch note that hasn't had twenty gripe threads about it.

Name one thing that hasn't polarized the community.

Get rid of aim assist. It has no reason to be in this game.

Or, at the very least, make it so aim assist does not kick in when aiming at a heavy frame. The game should give you absolutely no assistance in hitting the easiest to hit suit in the game.

I think CCP should dial AA back a bit. Aside from what CCP should be doing about it, my personal solution to heavy TTK has been to go SMG prof 3 instead of HMG. The proto-bears have better damage output, but I got more tank, so I end up winning a lot of 1 vs 1 firefights by a decent margin, as long as I'm within optimal range... find somewhere to rep, rinse and repeat.

remove kb/m first

As a heavy I say aim assist is fine and should be leaved alone. Saying it should be removed is just as crazy as wanting to remove KB/M

With kb/m in the sorry state it is there's not much of an argument to be made for an AA as strong as we have atm.

It would make sense to dial it back now, until kb/m are working like they should.

But there's a flipside to the argument - the prime beneficiaries of weaker AA are the strongest players. DUST needs to take a good long look in the mirror and decide what it wants to be. I pray to Matar and sacrifice 12 Ammarians to Pator that CCP has the eistu to make the right decision.

Movement speed buff !... For Everyone!

AA is already weak compared to most other shooters on console

I was doing some tests with the aim assist today with a friend on the opposing team, specifically against Heavy suits with me using an AR and was quite surprised how effective the tracking against them is.

Heavies as you know have a pretty damn big hitbox and, although I was unable to record a video to visually show you guys, pretty much at any range between 0-40m the gun will lock on and actually make it harder to miss than to hit. Admittedly, you do have to kind of struggle with the AA to get headshots because it does tend to veer towards the center of the target.

Even worse, when the Heavy is firing + moving it's damn near impossible to miss with AA as long as you get the initial lock-on. The Heavy moves so slow while firing that the AA will literally turn your crosshair to follow the Heavy as he walks around you in a circl). We tested exactly how much the crosshair would turn at 10m, 20m, and 30m before falling off. The Heavy was firing above me while doing a circle around me while I held my ADS on him.

At 10m, the AA fell off the target after turning roughly 45 degrees. At 20m and 30m, the AA would track the Heavy a full 360 degree circle as he walked around me and continued firing. Needless to say, I was pretty shocked that a scripted aim assist would physically make my character follow a target a full 360 degrees if they were slow and big enough.

With the Heavy's poor move speed and large hitbox, it's no wonder even with a base 1200 EHP Heavies get melted like a snowman on a summer day.

So what exactly can be done? Thoughts?

That's a lie as a lot of people came from MAG which has no aim assist. Soccom 4 No Aim Assist, CS:GO No Aim Assist.

If Funkmaster whale is saying that the crosshair's will follow a target as it does a full 360 degree circle around him with absolutely no input into the aim. There is something stronger about the Aim Assist then even BF3.

And people have it staring them in the face and are denying it.

It does not follow someone 360 degrees, anyone who says it does is lying. Removing AA is never going to happen.

It does not follow someone 360 degrees, anyone who says it does is lying. Removing AA is never going to happen.

Denial much?

It doesn't follow just anyone a full 360 degrees, no.

A Heavy firing that is moving at 1-2 m/s while having an enormous hitbox? Yes, it does. Go test it. Lock your AA on a Heavy, have him start firing and do a circle around you while continuing firing at about 20-30m range. The AA will stick to the Heavy the entire time.

AA is already weak compared to most other shooters on console

The thing about that statement is That Dust514 is Not and Should Not be like every other FPS Shooter out there.

That's the point. Who wants to play the same game in a different jacket?

Show me proof

So what? AA must stay as long as KB/M is in the game
Also dust IS like every other shooter. Its a lobby shooter like cod or battlefield ATM.

To be fair, the large hitbox made heavies easy to hit before AA.

Also, heavies are ment to be caught out in the open. I'm not saying that there aren't things that need to be balanced, just a couple of facts.

Looks like someone's using AA as a crutch

Nope, i can play with or without AA. It has little to no difference to how i olay. I also use KB/M if im in the mood for it

Does the medium suit smaller hitbox make it harder for AA to hit? Does the Scout even smaller hitbox make it even harder for the AA to hit?

CCP has made hmg heavies the dinosaurs of dust. Once again chromosome > uprising.

So what? AA must stay as long as KB/M is in the game
Also dust IS like every other shooter. Its a lobby shooter like cod or battlefield ATM.