I actually don't consider myself to be an american. I consider myself a citizen of the Earth/Milkyway/universe. But, if you were to take a look at my birth certificated, you would indeed find that I was born in the USA. And my driver's license would show that I live in AZ. Regardless of popular opinion not all Americans are complete morrons.

You remind me of that one church who protests the funerals of fallen Americans. They protest and show blatant disrespect for these people at their funerals simply because they're American. They've protested the funerals of fallen soldiers, fallen firemen, and even young kids who were brutally murdered at a school shooting. They show their distaste directly to the people holding at the funerals who are remembering their loved ones. I think you would fit perfectly alongside those protestors, maybe not because you have anti-American ideals (it's hard to tell), but because you dislike how the people at the funeral aren't holding the funeral for the hundreds of billions of humans who have ever died. They are simply remembering the loved ones they hold dearest to their hearts.

On a side note, why do you live in in the United States if you think most Americans are morons? What makes America better tha any other given country to you?

Perhaps not, but can you tell me the date the pompeii eruption occured, off the top of your head? Also, when was the last time that the date of pompeii or other natural disasters, such as Mount Saint Hellen, was posted on this forum? Who here wants to bet me that the OP is an American who was feeling very patriotic when he/she posted the OP. do you really expecte to believe that this thread was posted for purely acedemic reasons?

I actually don't consider myself to be an american. I consider myself a citizen of the Earth/Milkyway/universe. But, if you were to take a look at my birth certificated, you would indeed find that I was born in the USA. And my driver's license would show that I live in AZ. Regardless of popular opinion not all Americans are complete morrons.

We gon send 'em back to Mexico land!?!

Respect given on my part, there is a reason why they were called the greatest generation

In regards to the rest of your answers

You also have to remember gaming communities are mostly filled with Left Wingers, Liberals, Idealists, Globalists, Keynesians, Anti Americanism etc, where war heroes/victims don't garter the same respect as aging socialist rebels, which went by without a hitch.

Also considering that both Japan and the US were emerging countries which were behind current powers, their ability to break out of their shells and step out to demonstrate their power was truly poetic. More so than right or wrong it was about redrawing power lines which only change during war, war not being legal or illegal, right or wrong, just power extensions.

Both countries were afraid of conducting an invasion against the opposing mainlands because both understood that the other side consisted of culturally strong fighters (Japanese warrior culture vs American militias), both countries made large technological leaps in such a short time which have yet to be match to this day, and as a result of such both countries are some of the best countries to live in.

I have more respect for Japanese and American nationalists who's love of country allowed them to pull themselves together through thick and thin than "world citizens" who have not anything to show for themselves.

Yes, because we should all have respect for war mongers and murderers. Tell me how far does that respect of yours extend to the leaders of the third reich? You'll have to forgive me if I have some lingering respect for the value of human life, and the merits of deplomacy.

"Violence is the last refuge of an incompetent mind."

~ Issac Asimov

Individuals may or may not be malicious, we see this ourselves in and out of war, but large groups of people aren't "evil" and we are indeed talking about the large groups consisting of your average person who values the lives of their family, neighbors, people and fights/dies under that notion. In addition to Germany neither were the people of the Soviet Union, the British Empire, or the Confederacy "evil" people. In fact the people actually fighting for Germany were easily under the impression that they were throwing off the unfair punishments given to them under WW1

Similarly any country we have gone to war with, I have never thought of their population as "evil", also not being "evil" doesn't mean you don't go to war with said country. The Japanese were not "evil" but that didn't mean you wouldn't go to war with them for the attack they saw justified due to the economic sanctions placed on them.

Also confusing leaders with ideas we agree or disagree with, with the notion of people who are willing to sacrifice themselves to protect the people around them is a red herring because that is not the concept we are talking about. We are talking about the segment of people who would if in other situations and under duress would still step up and defend themselves and the people they love against the perceived provocation.

You are right, I failed to realize that the date "December 7, 1941" would be taught differently all over the world. I forgot how much disagreement and dispute historians have over that date. I mean, after all, that event kicked off a series of events which affected people living on at least 4 continents. I can see why would that wouldn't be included in their lessons.

Given that the person who asked the question has already outed himself as an "american" and thus subject to the same "regional" education as myself, your strawman argument is a bit irrelevant.

Nice staw man you built for yourself there bub. You may not be talking about leaders, but I am. and then you go on to imply that I am condemning the people of a nation who would fight an aggressor who would attack them, their homes and their loved ones. How absurd.

The fact is that a failiar in deplomacy (or an outright disregard for diplomasy) between the leaders of these contries, is the reason behind these disposable wars that you are so ardently defending. Now you should do the right thing and retract your straw man. Thanx.

Fortunately we are able to read between the lines

1) A thread about the lost lives of your average soldier in a specific event

2) My first post about your average person fighting / supporting their people, which was directed at no one specific

3) Your inquiry of my thoughts on WW2 German Leaders and if my same sentiments applied

The thread covered your average soldier, and as such my post reflected this, you brought up WW2 German Leaders, thus you turned the direction around. If your response to me was not pertaining to my post or the nature of the thread, why was my post quoted?

If you are interested in debating why wars occur, whether that is the failure in diplomacy or for resources / power that is a different topic and if you want you can start one and we can enjoy ourselves as we discuss the intricacies of war.

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-azi word is blanked and thus changed to WW2 German Leaders

I actually don't consider myself to be an american. I consider myself a citizen of the Earth/Milkyway/universe. But, if you were to take a look at my birth certificated, you would indeed find that I was born in the USA. And my driver's license would show that I live in AZ. Regardless of popular opinion not all Americans are complete morrons.

I have more respect for Japanese and American nationalists who's love of country allowed them to pull themselves together through thick and thin than "world citizens" who have not anything to show for themselves.

Do you take me for a fool sir?

I do not, there were people who painted troops very negatively for various reasons, followed by a blame game of faults made by both the Japanese (island conquest) and Americans (nukes and internment camps).

Thus my first post was in two parts

1) Soldiers are not bad people, they are fighting against perceived wrongs and thus is a trait above many including those that those who rage against your average solider.

2) Both Japan and the US have good people in them and both should be proud of their accomplishments

You were not apart of the equation, just dispelling the "soldiers are bad" and "the blame game" which was going on.

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Thus I responded to your first reply as such because my post was covering these topics

Then kindly remove the numorus insults that littered your post, and were frankly quite unnecessary, then we can call it square.

Everything I say I do mean, so it will stay, I replied in general due to to what I saw as insults thrown towards Americans, Japanese and soldiers in general. So I wont' change it especially considering it has been quoted.

But I will apologize if I hurt your feeling because that was not my goal, if people are talking about politics and values I will reply in kind because I assume this is an informal debate.

Wait.. What happened on the 9th of November?