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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2013.12.08 06:23:00 -
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Respect given on my part, there is a reason it was called the greatest generation
In regards to the rest of your answers
You also have to remember gaming communities are mostly filled with Left Wingers, Liberals, Idealists, Globalists, Keynesians, Anti Americanism etc, where war heroes/victims don't garter the same respect as aging socialist rebels, which went by without a hitch.
Also considering that both Japan and the US were emerging countries which were behind current powers, there ability to break out of their shells and step out to demonstrate their power was truly poetic. More so than right or wrong it was about redrawing power lines which only change during war, war not being legal or illegal, right or wrong, just power extensions.
Both countries were afraid of conducting an invasion against the opposing mainlands because both understand that the other side consisted of culturally strong fighters (Japanese warrior culture vs American militias), both countries made large technological leaps in such a short time which have yet to be match to this day, and as a result of such both countries are some of the best countries to live in.
I have more respect for Japanese and American nationalists who's love of country allowed them to pull themselves together through thick and thin than "world citizens" who have not anything to show for themselves.
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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2013.12.08 07:31:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Yes, because we should all have respect for war mongers and murderers. Tell me how far does that respect of yours extend to the leaders of the third reich? You'll have to forgive me if I have some lingering respect for the value of human life, and the merits of deplomacy.  "Violence is the last refuge of an incompetent mind." ~ Issac Asimov
Individuals may or may not be malicious, we see this ourselves in and out of war, but large groups of people aren't "evil" and we are indeed talking about the large groups consisting of your average person who values the lives of their family, neighbors, people and fights/dies under that notion. In addition to Germany neither were the people of the Soviet Union, the British Empire, or the Confederacy "evil" people. In fact the people actually fighting for Germany were easily under the impression that they were throwing off the unfair punishments given to them under WW1
Similarly any country we have gone to war with, I have never thought of their population as "evil", also not being "evil" doesn't mean you don't go to war with said country. The Japanese were not "evil" but that didn't mean you wouldn't go to war with them for the attack they saw justified due to the economic sanctions placed on them.
Also confusing leaders with ideas we agree or disagree with, with the notion of people who are willing to sacrifice themselves to protect the people around them is a red herring because that is not the concept we are talking about. We are talking about the segment of people who would if in other situations and under duress would still step up and defend themselves and the people they love against the perceived provocation/threats.
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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2013.12.08 08:02:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Yes, because we should all have respect for war mongers and murderers. Tell me how far does that respect of yours extend to the leaders of the third reich? You'll have to forgive me if I have some lingering respect for the value of human life, and the merits of deplomacy. "Violence is the last refuge of an incompetent mind." ~ Issac Asimov Individuals may or may not be malicious, we see this ourselves in and out of war, but large groups of people aren't "evil" and we are indeed talking about the large groups consisting of your average person who values the lives of their family, neighbors, people and fights/dies under that notion. In addition to Germany neither were the people of the Soviet Union, the British Empire, or the Confederacy "evil" people. In fact the people actually fighting for Germany were easily under the impression that they were throwing off the unfair punishments given to them under WW1 Similarly any country we have gone to war with, I have never thought of their population as "evil", also not being "evil" doesn't mean you don't go to war with said country. The Japanese were not "evil" but that didn't mean you wouldn't go to war with them for the attack they saw justified due to the economic sanctions placed on them. Also confusing leaders with ideas we agree or disagree with, with the notion of people who are willing to sacrifice themselves to protect the people around them is a red herring because that is not the concept we are talking about. We are talking about the segment of people who would if in other situations and under duress would still step up and defend themselves and the people they love against the perceived provocation. Nice staw man you built for yourself there bub. You may not be talking about leaders, but I am. and then you go on to imply that I am condemning the people of a nation who would fight an aggressor who would attack them, their homes and their loved ones. How absurd. The fact is that a failiar in deplomacy (or an outright disregard for diplomasy) between the leaders of these contries, is the reason behind these disposable wars that you are so ardently defending. Now you should do the right thing and retract your straw man. Thanx.
Fortunately we are able to read between the lines
1) A thread about the lost lives of your average soldier in a specific event
2) My first post about your average person fighting / supporting their people, which was directed at no one specific
3) Your inquiry of my thoughts on WW2 German Leaders and if my same sentiments applied
The thread covered your average soldier, and as such my post reflected this, you brought up WW2 German Leaders, thus you turned the direction around. If your response to me was not pertaining to my post or the nature of the thread, why was my post quoted?
If you are interested in debating why wars occur, whether that is the failure in diplomacy or for resources / power that is a different topic and if you want you can start one and we can enjoy ourselves as we discuss the intricacies of war.
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-azi word is blanked and thus changed to WW2 German Leaders
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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2013.12.08 08:30:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:
Do you take me for a fool sir?
I do not, there were people who painted troops very negatively for various reasons, followed by a blame game of faults made by both the Japanese (island conquest) and Americans (nukes and internment camps).
Thus my first post was in two parts
1) Soldiers are not bad people, they are fighting against perceived wrongs and thus is a trait above many including those that those who rage against your average solider.
2) Both Japan and the US have good people in them and both should be proud of their accomplishments
You were not apart of the equation, just dispelling the "soldiers are bad" and "the blame game" which was going on.
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Thus I responded to your first reply as such because my post was covering these topics
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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2013.12.08 08:42:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:
Then kindly remove the numorus insults that littered your post, and were frankly quite unnecessary, then we can call it square.
Everything I say I do mean, so it will stay, I replied in general due to to what I saw as mud throwing towards Americans, Japanese and soldiers in general. So I wont' change it especially considering it has been quoted.
But I will apologize if I hurt your feeling because that was not my goal, if people are talking about politics and values I will reply in kind because I assume this is an informal debate.
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