DUST Search - Instant fix to grenade's power

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Keri Starlight wrote:

Well, it's a HUGE change.

I think grenades are OP, but this would definitely hit too hard, unless maybe you reduce the detonation time.

That way it might work.

Anyway, I'm curious about this: "Explosive damage error that sometimes resulted in too much damage being dealt"

It may result in some noticeable changes. Or it may not.

Maybe, maybe not.
700~ eHP suit kinda disappears quickly when it's an armor tank, and you go up against grenade spammers, or Mass Drivers.

What triggered me to make this thread is my match I had a few minutes ago against Naiyan san.
While I was sleepy as **** because I didn't sleep at night, so no wonder I did badly, but **** me 10 greande deaths, 1 precision strike death and 3 AR/SCR deaths.
That's ridicilous.

Usually when I have a result like that it's because of one or two dedicated grenadiers on the other team getting their core locus fix. That just means the put a lot of focus on it and use grenades as more of a primary weapon. Vast majority of matches don't have this problem.

Core locus grenades are the problem. Extremely low skill, high reward weapons

It's not just that, although those are ridiculously overpowered.

It's that you can sit on a nanohive and just keep spamming the things. They can and will instant kill most suits even if standard, and you can just keep throwing. You can completely shut down an area just with nanohives and grenades.

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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4491	Posted - 2013.12.07 13:01:00 - [1] - Quote Don't allow to cook them. Yes I'm serious. If you can't cook them, you can never get instant kills with them, the target always gets a chance to get away. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1836	Posted - 2013.12.07 13:12:00 - [2] - Quote Well, it's a HUGE change. I think grenades are OP, but this would definitely hit too hard, unless maybe you reduce the detonation time. That way it might work. Anyway, I'm curious about this: "Explosive damage error that sometimes resulted in too much damage being dealt" It may result in some noticeable changes. Or it may not. 100% Achura "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4491	Posted - 2013.12.07 13:14:00 - [3] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: Well, it's a HUGE change. I think grenades are OP, but this would definitely hit too hard, unless maybe you reduce the detonation time. That way it might work. Anyway, I'm curious about this: "Explosive damage error that sometimes resulted in too much damage being dealt" It may result in some noticeable changes. Or it may not. Maybe, maybe not. 700~ eHP suit kinda disappears quickly when it's an armor tank, and you go up against grenade spammers, or Mass Drivers. What triggered me to make this thread is my match I had a few minutes ago against Naiyan san. While I was sleepy as ** because I didn't sleep at night, so no wonder I did badly, but ** me 10 greande deaths, 1 precision strike death and 3 AR/SCR deaths. That's ridicilous. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1836	Posted - 2013.12.07 13:24:00 - [4] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Maybe, maybe not. 700~ eHP suit kinda disappears quickly when it's an armor tank, and you go up against grenade spammers, or Mass Drivers. What triggered me to make this thread is my match I had a few minutes ago against Naiyan san. While I was sleepy as ** because I didn't sleep at night, so no wonder I did badly, but ** me 10 greande deaths, 1 precision strike death and 3 AR/SCR deaths. That's ridicilous. Yeah, I feel you XD 100% Achura "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 895	Posted - 2013.12.07 13:36:00 - [5] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Don't allow to cook them. Yes I'm serious. If you can't cook them, you can never get instant kills with them, the target always gets a chance to get away. That would no nothing to alleviate nade spam, which is the #1 reason for all those nade nerf requests. Actually, denying cooking would even push more people for nade-hive spamming. Feeling the scanner is too simple and off balance? The fix:
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8432	Posted - 2013.12.07 14:25:00 - [6] - Quote No. Lower the damage. Cooking is the only reason grenades are fun Win ISK / Vids / O7
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 441	Posted - 2013.12.07 15:27:00 - [7] - Quote I can kinda see the problems with grenade spam (just make them cost more nano clusters to resupply)...but I'm not seeing why people are grinching about the nades themselves. Grenades are pretty much working like they are supposed to. If you have a problem with instakill with grenades you should remove locus grenades entirely. The whole idea is that you have a way of decisively engaging targets behind cover and you can't close the gap, groups of enemy's or you are trying to break contact and get away. If the grenade doesn't do significant damage, it's not a significant threat. If you cut the damage too much there is a sharp decline in the functionality.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 835	Posted - 2013.12.07 15:29:00 - [8] - Quote If you see the grenade slot to be a missile turret hardpoint of dust 514, it would make great sense if you could not cook the grenade. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 441	Posted - 2013.12.07 15:30:00 - [9] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: Well, it's a HUGE change. I think grenades are OP, but this would definitely hit too hard, unless maybe you reduce the detonation time. That way it might work. Anyway, I'm curious about this: "Explosive damage error that sometimes resulted in too much damage being dealt" It may result in some noticeable changes. Or it may not. Maybe, maybe not. 700~ eHP suit kinda disappears quickly when it's an armor tank, and you go up against grenade spammers, or Mass Drivers. What triggered me to make this thread is my match I had a few minutes ago against Naiyan san. While I was sleepy as ** because I didn't sleep at night, so no wonder I did badly, but ** me 10 greande deaths, 1 precision strike death and 3 AR/SCR deaths. That's ridicilous. Usually when I have a result like that it's because of one or two dedicated grenadiers on the other team getting their core locus fix. That just means the put a lot of focus on it and use grenades as more of a primary weapon. Vast majority of matches don't have this problem.
Thorn Badblood Dust2Dust. Top Men. 83	Posted - 2013.12.07 15:30:00 - [10] - Quote Reduce the damage of all grenades by 50%. Add to the skill: 10% bonus to damage per level. D2D. A Non-Prophet Organization

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8433	Posted - 2013.12.07 15:31:00 - [11] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: Well, it's a HUGE change. I think grenades are OP, but this would definitely hit too hard, unless maybe you reduce the detonation time. That way it might work. Anyway, I'm curious about this: "Explosive damage error that sometimes resulted in too much damage being dealt" It may result in some noticeable changes. Or it may not. Maybe, maybe not. 700~ eHP suit kinda disappears quickly when it's an armor tank, and you go up against grenade spammers, or Mass Drivers. What triggered me to make this thread is my match I had a few minutes ago against Naiyan san. While I was sleepy as ** because I didn't sleep at night, so no wonder I did badly, but ** me 10 greande deaths, 1 precision strike death and 3 AR/SCR deaths. That's ridicilous. Usually when I have a result like that it's because of one or two dedicated grenadiers on the other team getting their core locus fix. That just means the put a lot of focus on it and use grenades as more of a primary weapon. Vast majority of matches don't have this problem. Core locus grenades are the problem. Extremely low skill, high reward weapons Win ISK / Vids / O7
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5879	Posted - 2013.12.07 15:58:00 - [12] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: Well, it's a HUGE change. I think grenades are OP, but this would definitely hit too hard, unless maybe you reduce the detonation time. That way it might work. Anyway, I'm curious about this: "Explosive damage error that sometimes resulted in too much damage being dealt" It may result in some noticeable changes. Or it may not. Maybe, maybe not. 700~ eHP suit kinda disappears quickly when it's an armor tank, and you go up against grenade spammers, or Mass Drivers. What triggered me to make this thread is my match I had a few minutes ago against Naiyan san. While I was sleepy as ** because I didn't sleep at night, so no wonder I did badly, but ** me 10 greande deaths, 1 precision strike death and 3 AR/SCR deaths. That's ridicilous. Usually when I have a result like that it's because of one or two dedicated grenadiers on the other team getting their core locus fix. That just means the put a lot of focus on it and use grenades as more of a primary weapon. Vast majority of matches don't have this problem. Core locus grenades are the problem. Extremely low skill, high reward weapons It's not just that, although those are ridiculously overpowered. It's that you can sit on a nanohive and just keep spamming the things. They can and will instant kill most suits even if standard, and you can just keep throwing. You can completely shut down an area just with nanohives and grenades. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1320	Posted - 2013.12.07 16:12:00 - [13] - Quote The explosive damage misallocation fix that's coming in 1.7 - that will apply to grenades, i'm thinking. I'd like to keep the cooking mechanic if we can, it does add decent gameplay - bouncing a partially cooked grenade off a wall or a structure to soften up the mercs camping the other side, or bouncing one off a ceiling, seems like interesting gameplay to me. I would like to see damaged dropped, and i would like to see the ability to spam reduced - remove the ability to replenish from nanohives seems simplest. I support SP rollover.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 963	Posted - 2013.12.07 16:14:00 - [14] - Quote 2 possible solutions I could think of 1) -Reduce grenade count to 2 (1 at MLT) -Nanohives no longer resupply grenades but supply depots still can 2) -Reduce blast damage -Reduce blast radius -Increase blast damage dissipation (damage drops down faster the farther from center you are) -Take longer to resupply at nanohives (2 cycles or 2 seconds to refill 1 grenade, grenades will refill at 0.5 intervals, when 1 whole number is reached, a grenade becomes useable)
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1727	Posted - 2013.12.07 16:14:00 - [15] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: Well, it's a HUGE change. I think grenades are OP, but this would definitely hit too hard, unless maybe you reduce the detonation time. That way it might work. Anyway, I'm curious about this: "Explosive damage error that sometimes resulted in too much damage being dealt" It may result in some noticeable changes. Or it may not. I won't go back to instant pop grenade span! "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 315	Posted - 2013.12.07 16:32:00 - [16] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Don't allow to cook them. Yes I'm serious. If you can't cook them, you can never get instant kills with them, the target always gets a chance to get away. That would no nothing to alleviate nade spam, which is the #1 reason for all those nade nerf requests. Actually, denying cooking would even push more people for nade-hive spamming. I agree, if people can't hit by cooking they'll hit by carpet bombing entire areas. Not a good thing.
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 567	Posted - 2013.12.07 16:36:00 - [17] - Quote The biggest problem is that we have this weapon the does HUGE explosive damage and yet we have no explosive resistance..... Chock it up to CCP sucking as.s at making this game and we'll probably get resists in about 4-4315345134 years. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 281	Posted - 2013.12.07 16:47:00 - [18] - Quote I was in a match with 3 Nyan San and they must have gotten 10 Duvolle kills in total and like 50 core locus kills between the 3 or them. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1320	Posted - 2013.12.07 16:56:00 - [19] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: The biggest problem is that we have this weapon the does HUGE explosive damage and yet we have no explosive resistance..... Chock it up to CCP sucking as.s at making this game and we'll probably get resists in about 4-4315345134 years. Adgrred. That's something our heavies really need. I support SP rollover.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 447	Posted - 2013.12.07 19:41:00 - [20] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: Well, it's a HUGE change. I think grenades are OP, but this would definitely hit too hard, unless maybe you reduce the detonation time. That way it might work. Anyway, I'm curious about this: "Explosive damage error that sometimes resulted in too much damage being dealt" It may result in some noticeable changes. Or it may not. Maybe, maybe not. 700~ eHP suit kinda disappears quickly when it's an armor tank, and you go up against grenade spammers, or Mass Drivers. What triggered me to make this thread is my match I had a few minutes ago against Naiyan san. While I was sleepy as ** because I didn't sleep at night, so no wonder I did badly, but ** me 10 greande deaths, 1 precision strike death and 3 AR/SCR deaths. That's ridicilous. Usually when I have a result like that it's because of one or two dedicated grenadiers on the other team getting their core locus fix. That just means the put a lot of focus on it and use grenades as more of a primary weapon. Vast majority of matches don't have this problem. Core locus grenades are the problem. Extremely low skill, high reward weapons It's not just that, although those are ridiculously overpowered. It's that you can sit on a nanohive and just keep spamming the things. They can and will instant kill most suits even if standard, and you can just keep throwing. You can completely shut down an area just with nanohives and grenades. Sounds like a short range engagement with a mass driver...but that's ok right? I think your going to see a very noticeable drop in grenade spam after the first week of friendly fire being on in FW. After the first guy gets kicked from match for killing 2 blueberries with a single grenade this will start to clean up.

Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 448	Posted - 2013.12.07 19:52:00 - [21] - Quote I guess my question is what do you guys feel like a proto grenade should be able to do? Kill to adv suits within 5m of each other? Barely scratch pain on a heavy? Not trolling...I'm just trying to get a sense of this. Everyone things core locus is over powered ...ok...are all of them overpowered? I've found that a super tank heavy is a great grenade target or when a couple guys are clustered in a stairwell - shouldn't the a grenade be able to kill them?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8444	Posted - 2013.12.07 20:00:00 - [22] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: I guess my question is what do you guys feel like a proto grenade should be able to do? Kill to adv suits within 5m of each other? Barely scratch pain on a heavy? Not trolling...I'm just trying to get a sense of this. Everyone things core locus is over powered ...ok...are all of them overpowered? I've found that a super tank heavy is a great grenade target or when a couple guys are clustered in a stairwell - shouldn't the a grenade be able to kill them? I've never gone past M1's because A.)they're plenty strong enough to kill almost anything, and B.) core's are EZ mode :/ Proto should be just a smidge stronger than M1's, the rest can be balanced out from there, and you don't need to reduce how many you can carry. Perhaps give them just a tiny increase to how many nanite clusters they use up per grenade. Win ISK / Vids / O7
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 4004	Posted - 2013.12.07 20:22:00 - [23] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: Well, it's a HUGE change. I think grenades are OP, but this would definitely hit too hard, unless maybe you reduce the detonation time. That way it might work. Anyway, I'm curious about this: "Explosive damage error that sometimes resulted in too much damage being dealt" It may result in some noticeable changes. Or it may not. Maybe, maybe not. 700~ eHP suit kinda disappears quickly when it's an armor tank, and you go up against grenade spammers, or Mass Drivers. What triggered me to make this thread is my match I had a few minutes ago against Naiyan san. While I was sleepy as ** because I didn't sleep at night, so no wonder I did badly, but ** me 10 greande deaths, 1 precision strike death and 3 AR/SCR deaths. That's ridicilous. Usually when I have a result like that it's because of one or two dedicated grenadiers on the other team getting their core locus fix. That just means the put a lot of focus on it and use grenades as more of a primary weapon. Vast majority of matches don't have this problem. Core locus grenades are the problem. Extremely low skill, high reward weapons It's not just that, although those are ridiculously overpowered. It's that you can sit on a nanohive and just keep spamming the things. They can and will instant kill most suits even if standard, and you can just keep throwing. You can completely shut down an area just with nanohives and grenades. And you never have to worry about depleting the nanohive because you can just stack them all up with overlapping AoE so your grenades come back almost instnatly and you can throw down two more to replace each one that gets depleted. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1443	Posted - 2013.12.07 20:27:00 - [24] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: Well, it's a HUGE change. I think grenades are OP, but this would definitely hit too hard, unless maybe you reduce the detonation time. That way it might work. Anyway, I'm curious about this: "Explosive damage error that sometimes resulted in too much damage being dealt" It may result in some noticeable changes. Or it may not. Do you think that will fix something like a MLT / STD locus grenade doing more damage than its stated maximum? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 400	Posted - 2013.12.07 20:30:00 - [25] - Quote There will still be grenade spam, it will just be halo grenade spam. I think cooking grenades should stay in but damage should be adjusted so you have to cook the grenade perfectly. Giving players time to move or close the distance and get out of the radius, oh maybe adjust the radius? I like well cooked and placed grenades, they should give you an edge but not get you and instant kill.
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 237	Posted - 2013.12.07 20:34:00 - [26] - Quote I'm for reducing the amount of grenades you can carry, but they should perform close to how they are now. Grenades are used to clear out entrenched enemies and to break up enemy formations. They need power to do this. Otherwise, why use them? Throwing out a radical idea to get a discussion going. Suppose we made all grenades function as sleek grenades, wide blast radius, low damage, and removed the variants? That would make them very good at softening up targets and breaking up entrenched forces, but not enough to instant kill everything in sight.
Tectonic Fusion 672	Posted - 2013.12.07 21:07:00 - [27] - Quote I GOT IT! They only go up 50 damage (or less) per level, and with each level there is less time to cook the grenade. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2686	Posted - 2013.12.07 21:09:00 - [28] - Quote Greetings Cat Overlord, Let's play a game! Let's list everything left that still threatens EZ Mode ... * Sneaky Scouts - Nope * Hard-Hitting Heavies - Nope * Shotguns from Behind - Nope * Lasers down Range - Nope * Snipers from Afar - Nope * Grenades - GOT ONE, GOT ONE! Hurry! CCP! NERF nades to the ground. EZ Mode has spoken! But don't touch the Sacred, EZ Mode Entitlements ... * Heavy-like HP ... * Scout-like Mobility ... * Not having to aim ... * All-powerful Rifles ... Also, for EZ Mode Christmas ... Please I can have some new Fine Rifles ... And please buff current Rifles ... they need more range. And please give Meds more HP ... to fix the TTK problem. And if Scouts ever get Cloak, I want that too. And please don't listen to those Scouts and Heavies ... they're just QQing ... they're fine.
Sgt Buttscratch 1107	Posted - 2013.12.07 21:32:00 - [29] - Quote They damage needs to be calculated from its original damage. was killed by a militia lolcus grenade again today, running on my lil logi, weakened armor as my slayer needed me to carry certain things that raped my ADV ass' CPU. I had 330 shield, 175 armor (ISH), a grenade doing 400 DMG should not do over 505 DMG. Start damage 400 versus shield(-20%), should have hit for 320, not even broke my shield. I have also had GK.0 suits with approx 150 shield and 750+ armor OHK by the Core lolcus grenades. 150 shield versus core locus(600 dmg) should hit for 480, meaning over-damaging my shield by 330, which would then attack my armor with a +20% which would be 396 dmg. Once again this should NOT OHK a suit with roughly 900ehp. even versus just my armor, it shouldn't be able to OHK. Versus armor 600 + the bonus 20% would still only equal 720 dmg.... I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Rusty Shallows 568	Posted - 2013.12.07 21:45:00 - [30] - Quote CCP should just match up the Locust Grenades to the Mass Driver by tiers. It wouldn't count as a nerf since it's just damage leveling. Muahahahha. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP



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