and to CCP if your still out there.
Every buff and nerf is a slap in the face (or tickle) to the players time and money spent in game. No one can argue that the most precious commodity are Skill Points. Yet these points are drastically reduced when the nerf hammer comes down. I put time and money into a skill, when it changes, allowing me no recourse is thievery.

Thievery exemption in small print at the end of a contract is still thievery at heart but it tells me I have no right to my desired recourse. I still feel betrayed.

My point is ease up on the nerf celebration because many players feel cheated over their skill points now being misspent.

Oh man, I know! Everytime I max out the FOTM, it gets nerfed! WTF!!!

Yeeaaah, I was laying on the sarcasm pretty thick there, to the the four gentlemen above me, who in all likelihood have Cal Logi proto.

Oh man, I know! Everytime I max out the FOTM, it gets nerfed! WTF!!!

I am a heavy...no cali logi. The fact remains SP was changed. i have said it before...if I buy chocalate milk at the store and it becomes white milk in my fridge...an expectation I had was dashed and i am unhappy.

Different perspectives still do not change the fact that when a weapon or function changes...without the option of a respec I call foul. You do not need to be a victim of the practice to see its injustice.

Well said, Doc.

Even if you approve of a nerf there's no reasone to fling poo at guys who grinded SP like everyone else and simply used what the game offered.

and to CCP if your still out there.
Every buff and nerf is a slap in the face (or tickle) to the players time and money spent in game. No one can argue that the most precious commodity are Skill Points. Yet these points are drastically reduced when the nerf hammer comes down. I put time and money into a skill, when it changes, allowing me no recourse is thievery.

Thievery exemption in small print at the end of a contract is still thievery at heart but it tells me I have no right to my desired recourse. I still feel betrayed.

My point is ease up on the nerf celebration because many players feel cheated over their skill points now being misspent.

therefore nothing should ever be buffed or nerfed or changed in any way

or offer a respec to any changes... sounds more logical imo. Compared to other games these are quite the changes. AND I want changes...a game that has a patch monthly to improve player experience sounds appealing.
BUT honestly, what percentage of flaylocks SP is currently being used. I would bet 1%. For every 100 players that put SP into flaylocks 1 person will run them. If that doesn't sound like a robbery I do not know what does. It isn't too damning to the weaker player base...but if someone went prof 5 into swarms and this nerf changes their effectiveness to the flaylock.....that is a lotta SP. Was this the players fault? They should have never specced so deep? All the "respecs ruin the game" crowd wait till 3 million of your SP becomes useless. I would love to hear your song then.

No respecs is the core foundation of the game

therefore respecs are never a solution.

therefore nothing should ever be buffed, nerfed, or changed in any way.


if you want respecs find a new game.

CCP wasting player SP must also be a core foundation.

Respecs may not be a solution for you since you're most likely specced into viable EZ mode gear.
Everyone against respecs at least have ARs, Med suits, and a Logi specced.

I wouldn't need a respec if CCP didn't break gear I specced into. It's not a matter of nerfing, buffing, or balancing. CCP just smashes something deemed unworthy into uselessness.

Many have already left. As soon as PS4 comes out with it's next model, I'll be gone too.

how about you just grow a pair and take responsability for your desision to spend points and accept before you spend them that the thing you spec into WILL change at some point.

im a demo logi with an SMG, a python pilot, and have the the SP spent to have a well rounded shield railtank.

the railtank is dead weight, but i spent the points knowing i would never get them back. now a vehicle refund has happened to change that, but thats an exception not the rule. if i spec into the railtank again it will be under the assumption that i wont get the points back all the same.


the point is this is a game thats constantly changing and the ONLY way to avoid the situation you discribe would to be either to institute basically infinate respecs or never change anything.

how about you just grow a pair and take responsability for your desision to spend points and accept before you spend them that chances are it will change at some point.

If someone skilled into FOTM gear Gal logi and Imperial Scram anyone specificly because its better than the other varients at the time should have seen nerfing coming and i have no sympathy for them in the name of balence they made their bed.

On the other hand things that are not OP but getting nerfed anyway yeah that needs to be adressed unnessesery nerfs are as you say screwing with the player.

You're a really funny guy ya know that?

I'm specced into scouts for my hit and run play style. When I first specced scouts in Chrome and uprising(release), they were somewhat viable.

I specced swarms for the murder taxi FOTM.

I specced Minnie Assault for it's mobility.

I even have Nova Knives specced to prof 3 when they actually could connect and scanners weren't around.

I specced Mass driver for CQC maps.

Yet by your logic I should have seen all of CCP's crippling changes coming. Yep I should of grown a pair and specced Logi + AR. I mean it is AR 514 right?

Get real.

The crystal ball belief system is easily the dumbest of all the anti-RESPEC stances.

"You should have looked at what they released and realized it was a trap"

It doesn't even have to be FOTM.

Swarm launchers where hardly FOTM and they are getting one of the hardest hit's.

Minmatar Assault suit's where hardly FOTM ever? and they will be an unintentional casualty to the shield nerf's.

Scout's got nerfed slightly, every patch from 1.4 where Aim assist then made a huge portion of their gun game pointless. Nova knifes in 1.5... And then the HD buff in 1.6 that put an end to what everyone thought a scout was even for or introduced as.

its... this that people have problems with.. Not the obviously OP stuff in the game getting tweaked. Usually excessively (good job on forge gun tweaks nice and slow is the way to go)

I just hope there are enough people around by the time the majority of players accept this. Pretty big gamble to make in my opinion.

nope you shoudl of speced into them knowing they would ineviutably be changed and knowing you would never get the points back.

its a fact of the game, and if upsets you then theres nothing that can be done about that. your just going to have to live with it.

accept its inevitable change before you spend teh damn points.

i also have an ADV Novaknife Minja, i speced into it AFTER the crippling nerf :P deciding that it doesnt friggen matter i wanted to knife people and know that in fact it will probably get even worse.

i still wont regret it.

FG didn't need to be tweaked as bad as swarms did. But glad both were. Would like the FG to get a large nerf against dropships considering how bad they are and that I can two hit even the most tanky dropships.