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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.05 18:59:00 -
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The comms in this game are just bad and it reminds me of the recent Battlefield games which not something to strife for. It all comes down to either isolated squads only communicating with each other or a cluster-FOXTROT of a bunch of people talking at once. In either case, an inefficient flow of information is taking place in order for you team to win.
In order to fix this, we can take something directly from MAG where there is actual leadership, chat channels, proxy chat, and a call out system (which was rarely used because everything else worked so well).
Now I know not everyone here has ever played MAG but the comms system was nearly flawless.
There were proxy chat. This was where both blue-dots and red-dots could hear what you are saying given that you are within a certain distance (roughly 10-15 m). This was loads of fun because you can talk to the enemy, but I digress. While we don't necessarily need to talk to red-dots, this is a necessity in order to effectively talk to blue-dots since the "Team" channel is just a cluster-FOXTROT and that's only if the blue-dots are in there in teamchat in the first place. What we have now is just simply bad.
There was a call out system which had the phrases:
"I need a pick up" (if you need a vehicle)
"I need a medic" (rarely used because most people had at least a first-aid kit [equivalent to the armor repper in Dust] and downed players couldn't make call outs [oops])
"I need repairs" (for vehicles and you don't have a repair tool)
"Requesting reinforcements" (duh)
Leadership and chat channels
There were four ranks as far MAG goes. Each rank has special abilities and can call certain airstrikes, but I will not talk about this because this is not what this thread is about and I don't want it either. I will explain each rank as each rank can become relevant in Dust:
The Regular
This rank is limited to talking only to his other squad mates (squad chat) and the squad leader (SL). He/she cannot switch channels.
Squad Leader or SL
Only the SL can set fragos.
The SL has squad chat and could then go to the platoon chat (by holding up on the d-pad and pressing L2 or R2 to desired channel) and talk to the platoon leader (PL) and the other SLs. While the SL is in this channel, the regulars cannot hear what the SL says, but the SL can hear his squad as well SL also on this channel. Also while on this channel the other SLs and the PL can hear anything he/she says. This allows the PL and other SL to form plans and contemplate without the regulars getting in the way of the conversation.
We have SLs in Dust now, but it is the highest official battlefield rank, there is no supreme leader which is a problem. In pub matches, we have a bunch of squads not working together. There are no coordinated attack or defense plans. It is just random. In PC matches, we have a bunch of SL trying to talk over 15 other people (who are also trying to do their job of calling out enemy elements) to tell everyone what to do. It's a mess and inefficient.
Platoon Leader or PL
The PL has squad chat, platoon chat, company chat (which I will talk about later), and platoon broadcast. Platoon broadcast allowed the PL to talk to everyone in his/her platoon at once. The regulars in the other squads cannot talk to him. It was a one way channel.
We seriously need platoon broadcast. It allows coordinated efforts and the PLs voice while in platoons broadcast is questioned only by the SL and the regulars in his squad, not the regulars not in his squad.
Officer in Charge or OIC
The OIC has squad chat, platoon chat, company chat, and team broadcast. Team broadcast was the same as platoon broadcast, but it applies to the entire team instead of just the platoon. I see a future where Dust will have much more players, but as of now, the OIC position would not be useful. Company chat was the same as platoon chat, but it was a channel reserved for the OIC and PLs instead of the PL and the SLs.
Note the team structure in the largest gamemode in MAG was:
Team: 128 players
Platoon: 32 playes
Squad: 8 players
4 platoons in a team
16 squads in a team
4 squads in a platoon
As far as Dust in concerned, I think it should go like this:
2 squads of eight
1 PL in one of these squads
This^ to be expanded once there are more players in one battlefield.
I know this may seem complicated when this was read, but it's really not. It allows everyone to be split in groups of eight instead of 16. I would much rather only listen to 7 or 8 people at a team than 16.
Any questions?
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CrotchGrab 360
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:05:00 -
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it was extremely well implemented and proxy chat was what a lot of people played for!
honestly some people played MAG after they were bored just for proxy chat and banter between friends!
and playing barbie girl on platoon chat never gets old.
+1
take note ccp!!
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Green Living
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:13:00 -
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We begged very hard during closed beta for Proxy Chat. Our pleas always fell on deaf ears. |
Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:50:00 -
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Green Living wrote:We begged very hard during closed beta for Proxy Chat. Our pleas always fell on deaf ears.
While it would be nice if we could hear red-dots too, I find being able to hear blue-dots much more useful and should be a higher priority.
The not logic bomb!
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Maitue Mae
Vortex State Empire
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2013.12.05 20:46:00 -
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From my days of MAG, I must agree this would be ever help full on the battlefield. |
BMSTUBBY
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.05 21:53:00 -
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Maybe we will get this after they figure out how to give us team deploy, after they figure out how to fix matchmaking, after they figured out open market, after SoonGäó. 
BTW I saved a puppy! 
Dusters - MMO WhenGäó ?
CCP - MMO SoonGäó .
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Green Living
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:50:00 -
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Marlin Kirby wrote:Green Living wrote:We begged very hard during closed beta for Proxy Chat. Our pleas always fell on deaf ears. While it would be nice if we could hear red-dots too, I find being able to hear blue-dots much more useful and should be a higher priority.
If you played MAG you know there was no problems hearing your own teammates over the proxy chat. |
Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:54:00 -
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Definitely for tiered team chat!
Would love to see it work like this: (When we get commanders of course)
EVE Pilot: Communicate with - Field Commander, Squad Leaders
FC: Communicate with - EVE Pilot, Squad Leaders, Squad Members (If also a squad leader)
Squad Leaders: Communicate wih - FC, other SL's, and squad members
Squad Members: Communicate with- Own squad only, including squad leader
This combined with proxy chat would be an awesome system. There would be more overall communication happening, but at the same time less clutter. With Squad leaders responsible for relaying information between squads. And when squads get separated you will still be able to communicate with other blues with proxy chat.
Who cares what some sniper has to say
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The-Errorist
Closed For Business
For All Mankind
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:25:00 -
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Seeing how this still isn't here since this was suggested years ago and it's still not there, makes me sad and disappointed.  |
Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:41:00 -
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Green Living wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Green Living wrote:We begged very hard during closed beta for Proxy Chat. Our pleas always fell on deaf ears. While it would be nice if we could hear red-dots too, I find being able to hear blue-dots much more useful and should be a higher priority. If you played MAG you know there was no problems hearing your own teammates over the proxy chat.
Exactly.
The-Errorist wrote:Seeing how this still isn't here since this was suggested years ago and it's still not there, makes me sad and disappointed.
Tell me about it.
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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.06 00:13:00 -
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BMSTUBBY wrote:BTW I saved a puppy!
The more people you tell about it, the more puppies you'll save!
Talos Vagheitan wrote:Definitely for tiered team chat!
Would love to see it work like this: (When we get commanders of course)
EVE Pilot: Communicate with - Field Commander, Squad Leaders
FC: Communicate with - EVE Pilot, Squad Leaders, Squad Members (If also a squad leader)
Squad Leaders: Communicate wih - FC, other SL's, and squad members
Squad Members: Communicate with- Own squad only, including squad leader
This combined with proxy chat would be an awesome system. There would be more overall communication happening, but at the same time less clutter. With Squad leaders responsible for relaying information between squads. And when squads get separated you will still be able to communicate with other blues with proxy chat.
Exactly what I have in mind essentially.
The not Logic Bomb!
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Talos Vagheitan
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Posted - 2013.12.06 00:18:00 -
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The-Errorist wrote:Seeing how this still isn't here since this was suggested years ago and it's still not there, makes me sad and disappointed.
Quit being sad and disappointed. Be happy and optimistic.
Who cares what some sniper has to say
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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.06 00:57:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:The-Errorist wrote:Seeing how this still isn't here since this was suggested years ago and it's still not there, makes me sad and disappointed. Quit being sad and disappointed. Be happy and optimistic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ
The not Logic Bomb!
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The-Errorist
Closed For Business
For All Mankind
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Posted - 2013.12.06 00:58:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:The-Errorist wrote:Seeing how this still isn't here since this was suggested years ago and it's still not there, makes me sad and disappointed. Quit being sad and disappointed. Be happy and optimistic.
I use light frames, dropships, minmatar assaults, tanks, shotguns, knova knifes, and been here for too long, and was promised too many things that would have been here by now, but got delayed until the unforeseeable future. Being optimistic is hard, results in more disappointment and ISK loss. |
The-Errorist
Closed For Business
For All Mankind
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Posted - 2013.12.06 00:59:00 -
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Marlin Kirby wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:The-Errorist wrote:Seeing how this still isn't here since this was suggested years ago and it's still not there, makes me sad and disappointed. Quit being sad and disappointed. Be happy and optimistic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ
lol, that was a great scene |
SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2013.12.06 01:12:00 -
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Green Living wrote:We begged very hard during closed beta for Proxy Chat. Our pleas always fell on deaf ears.
Proxy chat leaking blue intel?
Guess anyone serious will switch to teamspeak then.
"Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)"
GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.06 01:19:00 -
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The-Errorist wrote:Talos Vagheitan wrote:The-Errorist wrote:Seeing how this still isn't here since this was suggested years ago and it's still not there, makes me sad and disappointed. Quit being sad and disappointed. Be happy and optimistic. I use light frames, dropships, minmatar assaults, tanks, shotguns, knova knifes, and been here for too long, and was promised too many things that would have been here by now, but got delayed until the unforeseeable future. Being optimistic is hard, results in more disappointment and ISK loss.
What's your problem with nova knifes? You don't honestly expect them to be over powered eventually do you. What could they do?
As for the rest. Vehicles are in a weird situation. I'm curious what they'll do with them. Scouts make me cry on how easy they are to kill, I think a nerf to the scanner would help. Min-ass are either easy kills or a pain in the ass to kill for me. It seems like they are the most experimented assault suits in the game with the variety I run into. With that being said, the racial it has is utter garbage. lolshotguns, fix the buggy weapon. I was going to spec into it, then the bugs happened.
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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.06 01:28:00 -
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SponkSponkSponk wrote:Green Living wrote:We begged very hard during closed beta for Proxy Chat. Our pleas always fell on deaf ears. Proxy chat leaking blue intel? Guess anyone serious will switch to teamspeak then.
What? Then you have the cluster-FOXTROT of people talking at once which exactly one of the things this thread is addressing.
Even so, there's a chance that the blue-dot is not in teamchat making the effort useless.
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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.06 04:19:00 -
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http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q671/cptkirby/Kirbyhat_zps6dd2c32a.gif
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.06 04:34:00 -
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We need this so fricken much.
Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane
Kills- Incubus: 3; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 19; Tanks: 4
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Flyingconejo
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.06 12:04:00 -
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Come on CCP, give us a better coms system! Save that puppy! |
Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.06 16:19:00 -
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Flyingconejo wrote:Come on CCP, give us a better coms system! Save that puppy!
There are still more puppies to be saved!
The not Logic Bomb!
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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.06 20:24:00 -
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Bump
It's hard to keep a topic, that everyone agrees on, up top for everyone to see.
The not Logic Bomb!
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MRBH1997
Knights Of Ender
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.06 23:50:00 -
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I played MAG myself and I loved its comms system. Dust definitely needs something like it.
CEO of Knights of Ender, Pro Jack of All Traits
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A-P-P-Baby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.07 04:40:00 -
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Blarg. Dooo eeeet!!!!! |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2013.12.07 06:19:00 -
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I support this
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DJINN Jecture
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
75
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Posted - 2013.12.07 07:20:00 -
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I definitely see the value of this type of system, please CCP take a note of this and fix comms so they work, and while you are at it...this.
Agent For Hire
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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.08 01:20:00 -
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Marlin Kirby wrote:Bump
It's hard to keep a topic, that everyone agrees on, up top for everyone to see.
^^^^^
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The-Errorist
Closed For Business
For All Mankind
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Posted - 2013.12.08 01:57:00 -
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Marlin Kirby wrote:Bump
It's hard to keep a topic, that everyone agrees on, up top for everyone to see.
Yeah, there's no1 to argue with to keep this thread going. |
Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.08 06:25:00 -
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The-Errorist wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Bump
It's hard to keep a topic, that everyone agrees on, up top for everyone to see. Yeah, there's no1 to argue with to keep this thread going.
You're a big wiener butt and you suck at videogames!
Am I doing it right? 
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