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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.12.05 02:54:00 -
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Hi Dust Community! We are still here because we are some kind of greedy masochists that can take a LOT of pain.
But as it is after 1.7 i still think we are humoring CCP a little too much. They Keep Buffing Medium Frames and Armors and rifles ,and keep spitting on Heavies and Scouts...Commandos came out and sucked b@lls, they got a little HP buff that DID somewhat helped by its not surprise that the suit is still worthless.
Now we have The HEAVIES/Sentinels: GÖªHMG is a very underwhelming weapon with negativley broken mechanics and little gain of use. Broken for some months. CCP knows about this . STATUS = STILL BROKEN/UP. So bad Heavies do better with a MLT AR. I hope i was kidding...
GÖªForge Gun: Now confirmed NERFED, i can admit im not too unhappy with this NERF because it has taken the EYES away from the FG a little. But we got a AV weapon that has already its effectivness vs Infantry greatly nerfed,but now it has a new Damage nerf that sureley will affect its preformance vs vehicles Sure Everyone SAYS they are happy (IMO I AM) but as soon as new Vehicle drivers get hit from 300mts away then the QQ will start again. Knowing CCP, The FG/HEAVY migh get yet another nerf.... STATUS= NERFED/Still Usefull/Danger of Range Nerf.
GÖªThe Heavy Dropsuit (SENTINEL) is still in a very bad state where they only useful as Tanked Rifle users, and still get out preformed by Logis.The new Shield extender Delay penalty will FORCE heavy players to use only Damage mods since they cannot risk having even MORE shield delay.
COMMANDO: I dont really have to even elaborate on this suit. Anyone with less than 2-3 months playing Dust that plays only as a commando with a K-D over 0.5 has my respect. GÖªDECENT heavy EHP values GÖªTHE WORST Shield regen per Sec GÖªBAD Shield Recharge delay GÖªLowest slot count GÖªLow CPU/PG numbers that deny the suit to use them with better modules/equipments GÖªSLow GÖªBig & RED GÖªGOOD MELEE VALUES! yay....but 1 Low slot....Denying it from being a Biotics beast, Buu....
I could go on, but i wont. This suit is straight garbage and CCP is really INSULTING us in taking out AUR versions of this. Anyone spending money on a COMMANDO Ak.0 should freakn write a ticket to CPP and request your AUR back, lol...
SCOUTS Straight and simple: GÖªIf you use Knives, Mk.0 GÖªIf you want to still use a Scout, BUT NOT KNIVES, then you must go GK.0 GÖªIf you want to play seriously vs good corps and stuff, you must avoid this dropsuit type.
TBQH , the Gal scout does not suffer at PROTO LEVEL so much from the Shield delay penalty. But with no Buffs in sight, New RIFLES, Rifle users now have a Rifle for every situation! CQ-MED: Duvolle AR Med Ranges:Imperial + Combat Rifle Med-Long Range: Rail Rifle - Laser Rifle.
All this while shotguns (with THE WORST OPTIMAL RANGE EVER) still cant register full damage at 1mts.
Then, not only Armor gets BETTER HP values and LESS Speed penalties, but now Shields get Nerfed. (For those who dont know, Increases Shield depleted charge delay) Im not sure what numbers were CCP looking at,but Shield tankers BARELY made a living in 1.6. Scouts; unless they are Gk.0 Armor tanked, need to be exceedingly Skilled to get a 2-3 K-d ratio game, thing a STD MED frame can achieve consistently with similar gun-game but better results.
People , specially armor tankers are deluded and lie to themselves. BROS = THERE IS A REASON THERE ARE CALDARI ASSAULTS WITH MORE ARMOR THAN SHIELDS....
And on top of it,Armor being the FOTM, we have MEdium Frame suits with Innate ARMOR REPAIR! , so with only 1 Complex armor repairer = 1 LOW SLOT, you can get a very decent 10+ Armor rep rate per sec. I hear these suits can also carry Nanohives to repair your armor if needed PLUS Scout killer Equipment Active Scanners. And they have exceedingly broken CPU-PG values letting you fit them and shape them into whatever you'd like! (Probably an Armored Killer)
Tankers have had already pretty rough times, now with this vehicle ''REBALANCE '' it seems they might have more issues ahead. No : im NOT AGAINST the vehicle rebalance and i cant really comment on it until i see AV vs Tank action on the field,. but one thing really annoys me. THE FACT , ammo is NOT ONLY LIMITED, Slots were REDUCED, but in order to have MORE ammo you must use one of these SLOTS. WTH? who thought of this? Shouldnt it just be a PASSIVE SKILL same as infantry has?
SO, HEavies, Scouts , commandos, even ASSAULTs (except amarr, those suits are awesome)...TANKERS! vehicle drivers.... What are you still doing with your SP? What are you waiting? We already waited TOO long , but nothing has changed. Scouts get nerf after nerf , same as heavys. Sure they got an HP buff but a nerf to their only other weapon while no buffs to their HMG, AND NO NEW CONTENT IN SIGHT. Scouts will suffer the day they see Pilot Suits comming BEFORE the Amarr and Caldari scout... Commandos Ruin the day they spent SP on the Red Useless Giant that gets out preformed by a LAND SLIDE, by a 200HP , CCP gifted Black Eagle scout....WITH STD WEAPONS.... I mean when you get our preformed by a scout you know something is seriously wrong.
We ALL want to enjoy this game right?
GET YOUR LOGI SUIT TODAY! Dont HUMOR CCP anylonger. They want a GAME that has DIVERSITY!? they need to earn it.
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:09:00 -
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Thank you I haven't read it yet but thank you.
I agree with mostly everything you wrote I guess there is a first time for everything.
Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........
Tanker/Logi
Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
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castba
Penguin's March
225
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:15:00 -
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Even though my beloved forge will be nerfed and my burst hmg shoots spit balls, I will continue to play heavy with heavy weapons.
Stubborn as hell, what can I say.
I Support SP Rollover
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hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
570
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:15:00 -
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+1 But the scout section was way lacking...
Host of Zilla's Games!
The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2744
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:16:00 -
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hackerzilla wrote:+1 But the scout section was way lacking...
Im on constant editing. Dont worry.
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hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
570
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:18:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:hackerzilla wrote:+1 But the scout section was way lacking... Im on constant editing. Dont worry. Oh yeah don't forget that the Cal assault outclasses all other assaults, (except Ammar if it has a scrambler with damage mods)
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2745
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:20:00 -
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hackerzilla wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:hackerzilla wrote:+1 But the scout section was way lacking... Im on constant editing. Dont worry. Oh yeah don't forget that the Cal assault outclasses all other assaults, (except Ammar if it has a scrambler with damage mods)
The Fact the Cal Logi Outclasses The CAl Assault makes the Cal Assault Outclassing other Assaults POINTLESS>
BTW , i figured out i wouldnt put more into SCOUTs section because:
1-IMO they are NOT a Viable option anymore.Useless.Everybody already KNOWS why.... 2-I cant write anymore in taht post and i forgot to reserve the 1st post below it, ANYWAYS, i think i made my point. BTW Welcome Hackerzilla....
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21yrOld Knight
Pradox One Proficiency V.
362
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:20:00 -
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Let me guess you want a respec. With all of these changes.
Hiring ringers is called multilateralism. Multilateralism is a good thing ,it saves lives.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
8353
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:21:00 -
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QQ
1.7 = Vehicle rebalance patch
1.8 = Probably dropsuit balance patch
Chill your biscuits
Win ISK / Vids / O7
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Tch Tch
Red Shirts Away Team
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:21:00 -
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I've seen plenty of effective heavies.
Right after they hit me with their sniper rifles from up high in the redline. Their swollen beach ball heads the only thing visible.
Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2745
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:21:00 -
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21yrOld Knight wrote:Let me guess you want a respec. With all of these changes.
I DONT REALLY EVEN GIVE A SH** ANYMORE BRO.
And im serious.....
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
1582
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:22:00 -
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As a diehard Derpship/HAV/Heavy HMG user who sadly has enthusiasm for Minni assaults...
I admit I'm disappointed in some key issues, but the FG "nerf" was needed considering the rest of AV was cut down to deal with the new lolHAVs.
I'm still having fun, just a bit disappointed that for several years now since the start of beta I'm still using the same suit with the same weapon system.
Needless to say at least I feel like I'm able to utilize the Heavy HMG far more effectively then most people... and as a result encounter very few issues, the "broken mechanic" has allowed me to blow the heads off of "cutsies" going after my squad, I'm fine with the HMG being super accurate I'm a damned good shot with it anyways even with bunnyhopping shield users or turtle-slow armor stackers... But it sure would be nifty to have a Gallente Heavy Weapon or something new...
Anywho, patch 1.7 has a lot of nifty content so it is a huge step in the right direction for the game, just not the steps I'd like first in my biased playstyle.
Closed Beta Vet
Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2745
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:23:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:QQ
1.7 = Vehicle rebalance patch
1.8 = Probably dropsuit balance patch
Chill your biscuits
Its NOT QQ>
Its ANGRY ADVICE to other players like myself that like playing differently ...
IT IS NOT WORTH IT, get a LOGI and start owning.
PERIOD.
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Morathi III
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:25:00 -
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I simply cant say better great job King checkmate +1 |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2745
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:26:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:As a diehard Derpship/HAV/Heavy HMG user who sadly has enthusiasm for Minni assaults...
I admit I'm disappointed in some key issues, but the FG "nerf" was needed considering the rest of AV was cut down to deal with the new lolHAVs.
I'm still having fun, just a bit disappointed that for several years now since the start of beta I'm still using the same suit with the same weapon system.
Well this was a post adressed to players looking to have more FUN in the COMPETITIVE side of Dust514.
I mean Sure its very fun just running around in a Scout with R/E commiting suicide. Or a Heavy With Nova Knives , YAAY Or even A SERIOUS SCOUT with SG.
But you will never be able to have fun with those if you run in a PC match or in FW without a squad....
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Tch Tch
Red Shirts Away Team
39
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:33:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:QQ
1.7 = Vehicle rebalance patch
1.8 = Probably dropsuit balance patch
Chill your biscuits Its NOT QQ> Its ANGRY ADVICE to other players like myself that like playing differently ... IT IS NOT WORTH IT, get a LOGI and start owning.PERIOD.
I've only been in a single pub match with you and you were wiping out my team. Killed me twice. All I managed to do to you was drop your armour to about 10% in the last minute of the game which helped my team get Bravo. We almost lost the game on objectives but won on a clone withdraw. If you had on logi armour you might not have had to withdraw and we would have lost... I'm sure there will be a new synergy in 1.7 that surpasses Logi's/armour ars and scrs.
Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2746
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:37:00 -
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Tch Tch wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:QQ
1.7 = Vehicle rebalance patch
1.8 = Probably dropsuit balance patch
Chill your biscuits Its NOT QQ> Its ANGRY ADVICE to other players like myself that like playing differently ... IT IS NOT WORTH IT, get a LOGI and start owning.PERIOD. I've only been in a single pub match with you and you were wiping out my team. Killed me twice. All I managed to do to you was drop you armour to about 10% in the last minute of the game which helped my team get Bravo. We almost lost the game on objectives but won on a clone withdraw. If you had on logi armour you might not have had to withdraw and we would have lost...
I usually Run a Scout or an Amarr Assault (but not OP armor tanks, actually , mine is a greatly UP Shield tanked/Profile Dampned A/1 Series XD)...Andi try to TRULY avoid taking out my Amarr Logi out unless im getting squad stomped and the team needs someone to lead... (700HP,Cx Dam Mods,Duvolle,ADV A,scanner,Toxin SMG and Compact nanos)
But yeah.
Considering what you are saying: ITS EXACTLY what im saying. Every suit has it disadvantages. Logis not only have very FEW of these,but have enough Slots and CPU-PG to fix them.
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
1583
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:37:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Well this was a post adressed to players looking to have more FUN in the COMPETITIVE side of Dust514.
But you will never be able to have fun with those if you run in a PC match or in FW without a squad....
Well lucky for me I don't run FW without a squad, as that's not competitive.
I see your point though, there are noticeable "neglected" classes, and then the poorly executed logistical class which causes imbalance.
Closed Beta Vet
Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2747
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:43:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Well this was a post adressed to players looking to have more FUN in the COMPETITIVE side of Dust514.
But you will never be able to have fun with those if you run in a PC match or in FW without a squad....
Well lucky for me I don't run FW without a squad, as that's not competitive. I see your point though, there are noticeable "neglected" classes, and then the poorly executed logistical class which causes imbalance.
Agreed.
Regarding you squad comment, not so much.
a Game that Requires and FORCES players to play with a squad in order to have fun is not a good game. I know Teamplay is supposed to , and it should , be more powerful. But in this game , with the MATCHMAING WE HAVE , Team play is OP. I would understand 10 corp members vs me, 1 dude from Outer heaven, 2 Generals, 1 STB , and 3 Pie Inc.
BUT ME and 9 guys with 2 million SP , vs 6 Restless Spirits and 5 Opus Arcana? (2 days ago, got 12-4 while camping an Objective : / )
LOL SCOTTY, LOL.... Team play = Squadstompin = EZ MODE.
Not saying its your fault. But its the way it is....
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Tch Tch
Red Shirts Away Team
39
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:44:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Tch Tch wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:QQ
1.7 = Vehicle rebalance patch
1.8 = Probably dropsuit balance patch
Chill your biscuits Its NOT QQ> Its ANGRY ADVICE to other players like myself that like playing differently ... IT IS NOT WORTH IT, get a LOGI and start owning.PERIOD. I've only been in a single pub match with you and you were wiping out my team. Killed me twice. All I managed to do to you was drop you armour to about 10% in the last minute of the game which helped my team get Bravo. We almost lost the game on objectives but won on a clone withdraw. If you had on logi armour you might not have had to withdraw and we would have lost... I usually Run a Scout or an Amarr Assault (but not OP armor tanks, actually , mine is a greatly UP Shield tanked/Profile Dampned A/1 Series XD)...Andi try to TRULY avoid taking out my Amarr Logi out unless im getting squad stomped and the team needs someone to lead... (700HP,Cx Dam Mods,Duvolle,ADV A,scanner,Toxin SMG and Compact nanos) But yeah.Consider what you are saying: ITS EXACTLY what im saying! Every suit has it disadvantages. Logis not only have very FEW of these,but have enough Slots and CPU-PG to fix them.SO WHY KEEP USING SOMETHING ELSE!? CCP Brags they have a game that has DIVERSITY,but this is a FASLE illution. What they have is peopel like me trying to be special,using different roles even if they know they are playing handicapped... Time to stop. When CCP sees 90%+ Of their playerbase are LOGIS, MAYBE they might consider buffing the rest.... : /
But my main runs a logi as a logi ie hacking, uplinking and ammo supply.
Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2747
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:46:00 -
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Tch Tch wrote:
But my main runs a logi as a logi ie hacking, uplinking and ammo supply.
You know i AM talking about MURDER LOGIS right? (Logi suits modded to be better assaults)
Nobody will ever say: OMG LOOK AT THAT OP LOGI! his GIVING AMMO TO A HEAVY OMG NERF!
LOL XD
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
414
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:53:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:QQ
1.7 = Vehicle rebalance patch
1.8 = Probably dropsuit balance patch
Chill your biscuits
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Tch Tch
Red Shirts Away Team
40
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Posted - 2013.12.05 04:14:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Tch Tch wrote:
But my main runs a logi as a logi ie hacking, uplinking and ammo supply.
You know i AM talking about MURDER LOGIS right? (Logi suits modded to be better assaults) Nobody will ever say: OMG LOOK AT THAT OP LOGI! his GIVING AMMO TO A HEAVY OMG NERF!LOL XD
Based on nerf bat track record which is going to get nerfed?
The FOTM will get enhanced and the specialist castrated with a pair of bricks.
So I'm looking forward to seeing my logibro singing soprano.
Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
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Robocop Junior
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
406
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Posted - 2013.12.05 04:26:00 -
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Lol when I started playing in July first character I tried was a caldari logi. Week in noticed how easy it was and everyone was caldari. Immediately made a gallente assualt my main eventually turned logi as well two other gallentes on two accounts for passive SP (one scout one heavy) Both alts have a third of my mains SP and better KDRs. Logis may be OP but scouts and heavies aren't as UP as people like to think. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2750
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Posted - 2013.12.05 04:44:00 -
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Robocop Junior wrote:Lol when I started playing in July first character I tried was a caldari logi. Week in noticed how easy it was and everyone was caldari. Immediately made a gallente assualt my main eventually turned logi as well two other gallentes on two accounts for passive SP (one scout one heavy) Both alts have a third of my mains SP and better KDRs. Logis may be OP but scouts and heavies aren't as UP as people like to think.
You are missing the point, even if they are not as UP as YOU think, Medium frames, specially logis, are Better. Period. When you play competitivly you always want to use the best that you can? am i not right? So why go in a PC match with a 600EHP tanked scout ,or a Profile dampened scout (that will,however be picked up by Proto Focused Scanner) or a Heavy with Boundless HMG when you can get in with a Powerful Rifle, 2+ Complex Damage mods and STILL pack Heavy-like HP , AND Assault like SPeed? PLUS more equipment? there really is no reason...
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
4360
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Posted - 2013.12.05 04:49:00 -
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It's bandwagon time!
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2750
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Posted - 2013.12.05 04:50:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:It's bandwagon time!
Pretty much
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
4360
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Posted - 2013.12.05 04:54:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cat Merc wrote:It's bandwagon time! Pretty much *Puts KING CHECKMATE on the bandwagon*
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2750
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Posted - 2013.12.05 04:55:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cat Merc wrote:It's bandwagon time! Pretty much *Puts KING CHECKMATE on the bandwagon*
*Bandwagon leaves to the Closest Gallente Armory Depo to check the latest Gal Logi models*
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
4364
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Posted - 2013.12.05 05:00:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cat Merc wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cat Merc wrote:It's bandwagon time! Pretty much *Puts KING CHECKMATE on the bandwagon* *Bandwagon leaves to the Closest Gallente Armory Depo to check the latest Gal Logi models* Is there a Gallente Assault there for me maybe? No? ok :(
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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