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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
760
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Posted - 2013.12.05 01:10:00 -
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The Minmatar race already had the weakest suits in the game HP-wise, and in this super low TTK environment no amount of speed can save you if you aren't within 2m of cover at all times. Now our assaults 5 high slots are going to be useless since our "hit-and-run" suits now can't even augment our fits with the crappy 66hp bonus of a shield extender without ruining our ability to recover in the few instances when we CAN reach cover to regen shields. There are only 2 high modules that are currently viable for assault fits, and we only have 2 low slots to 'sort of' counteract the damage you are now causing us when we try to buff our HP with one of them.
Why you gotta kick a man when he's down CCP? Why you gotta hate bro?
Fix TTK!!!
MATARI PRIDE!!!
Tears For Our Dearly Departed ReGnYuM. May He One Day Return To Shoot Us All In The Face...
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Cosgar
ParagonX
8330
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Posted - 2013.12.05 01:15:00 -
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Kanye West: "CCP doesn't car about Matari people!"
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
197
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Posted - 2013.12.05 01:29:00 -
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Thank you. I thought I was the only one fighting for the survival of this suit. The Caldari can just throw a regulator on there and enjoy their two other low slots and naturally higher shield recharge rate.
Shield tankers need a low slot for CPU upgrades. Something people just don't understand. So now minmatar assualts need to use both low slots for a regulator and CPU upgrade. So much for customized fittings. |
Aria Gomes
Death by Disassociation
Zero-Day
162
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Posted - 2013.12.05 02:02:00 -
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Pour out a little liquor for us Minmatar. We might turn into a dying race. :( |
Eldest Dragon
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
390
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Posted - 2013.12.05 02:09:00 -
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Sadly this suit is pretty trashy like the cal assault is now, which sux bc I've wanted to spec into it for a while. The bonus is sick, I can think of some fun fits I could run with it, but the fact is its lacking in too many areas. There's not enough perks to go into it. Basically there is the race bonus and speed like either one of those is gonna help in the current build. 1.7 is not gonna help this none.
Just remember min assaults you have 3 steps you have to follow when running this suit.
step 1: Find a target and make sure he does not see you.
step 2: When coast is clear engage target assaulting viciously.
step 3: While assaulting make sure to catch his name before dying horribly.
Congratulations, you have completed all 3 steps for assaulting with a min assault, dont it feel great. Now that you found out his name you can send him as much hate mail as you like.
When your playing dust and your frustrated...if all else fails...turn off the ps3. Works every time.
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DeadlyAztec11
2484
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Posted - 2013.12.05 02:10:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Thank you. I thought I was the only one fighting for the survival of this suit. The Caldari can just throw a regulator on there and enjoy their two other low slots and naturally higher shield recharge rate.
Shield tankers need a low slot for CPU upgrades. Something people just don't understand. So now minmatar assualts need to use both low slots for a regulator and CPU upgrade. So much for customized fittings.
We already use CPU and PG mods, there is just a necessity to use them now. No more dampening or biotics :(
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
1906
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Posted - 2013.12.05 02:14:00 -
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Yes.
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
F.T.U.
734
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Posted - 2013.12.05 02:17:00 -
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hate Minmatar Assaults? you haven't seen bad until you've used the Minmatar Scout.
that suit is the definition of gimped.
Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
1906
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Posted - 2013.12.05 02:23:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:hate Minmatar Assaults? you haven't seen bad until you've used the Minmatar Scout.
that suit is the definition of gimped.
The Scout suit in general is the definition of gimped.
Dictionary wrote:Gimped- The Scout Suit in EVE Dust 514
Told you.
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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Dengru
Fatal Absolution
184
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Posted - 2013.12.05 02:30:00 -
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It will take months for this suit to be good again... they would need no reevaluate so many aspects of the game. The lack of dispersion on weapons let anyone gun you down with full auto spray no matter your speed. Armor diminishus your already gimped strafe. Comp Regulators are trash and like 7 prof V+ complex duvolle bullets or three imperial shots are enough to down your shields, no matter how many extenders you have on.
How can anyone be expected to he well with this suit in these conditions? It used to be so good :(
(>^_^)><(^.^<)
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
4883
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Posted - 2013.12.05 02:31:00 -
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Yep. Take the hint and leave your ISK.
Never forget
How to fix the Logi
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Ranger SnakeBlood
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
228
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Posted - 2013.12.05 02:44:00 -
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+1 i remember reading the patch notes and thinking all well and good iam actually quite a fan of some of the updates, but the state of the minmatar Assualt suit is just unfortunate, basicly if the amarr make a push on FW now things could get really interesting lol as minmatar suits is all we will be able to get so logi is the new assualt, assualt is going to essentially have to be a glas cannon making use of 2 or 3 damage mods at proto as not to gimp our selfs with shield recharge delay.
So 1.7 is like the great duct tape shortage or something,
how to fix us reinforce the whole hit and run/ gurrilla warefare mentallity the minmatar are famous for, make us as good if not better at recharging shield than caldari this way we still have low buffer but better ability to hit get out recharge hit again, and give us a actual role on the battlefield that aint a second rate assualt suit that runs a bit faster. |
DeadlyAztec11
2484
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Posted - 2013.12.05 02:51:00 -
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Ranger SnakeBlood wrote:+1 i remember reading the patch notes and thinking all well and good iam actually quite a fan of some of the updates, but the state of the minmatar Assualt suit is just unfortunate, basicly if the amarr make a push on FW now things could get really interesting lol as minmatar suits is all we will be able to get so logi is the new assualt, assualt is going to essentially have to be a glas cannon making use of 2 or 3 damage mods at proto as not to gimp our selfs with shield recharge delay.
So 1.7 is like the great duct tape shortage or something,
how to fix us reinforce the whole hit and run/ gurrilla warefare mentallity the minmatar are famous for, make us as good if not better at recharging shield than caldari this way we still have low buffer but better ability to hit get out recharge hit again, and give us a actual role on the battlefield that aint a second rate assualt suit that runs a bit faster.
What about dampening? Being easily spotted by scanners completely throws hit and run out the window. Also note, even two Complex dampeners will not protect us from proto scanners, considering that the Proto Minmatar Assault only has two lows, this is not good.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Ranger SnakeBlood
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
230
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:15:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Ranger SnakeBlood wrote:+1 i remember reading the patch notes and thinking all well and good iam actually quite a fan of some of the updates, but the state of the minmatar Assualt suit is just unfortunate, basicly if the amarr make a push on FW now things could get really interesting lol as minmatar suits is all we will be able to get so logi is the new assualt, assualt is going to essentially have to be a glas cannon making use of 2 or 3 damage mods at proto as not to gimp our selfs with shield recharge delay.
So 1.7 is like the great duct tape shortage or something,
how to fix us reinforce the whole hit and run/ gurrilla warefare mentallity the minmatar are famous for, make us as good if not better at recharging shield than caldari this way we still have low buffer but better ability to hit get out recharge hit again, and give us a actual role on the battlefield that aint a second rate assualt suit that runs a bit faster. What about dampening? Being easily spotted by scanners completely throws hit and run out the window. Also note, even two Complex dampeners will not protect us from proto scanners, considering that the Proto Minmatar Assault only has two lows, this is not good.
Um while thats a good idea i think it would be dangerously close to stepping on the toes of the scout suit, granted the scout suit actually has better stealth and shield recharge than us............. i guess its a good thing they are low hp.
The assualt suit being UP has nothing to do with the insanity that is the scanners and how easy it is to use right now any suit can use it and every logi seems to use em these days if it was more speciallised say was a scout special or something, hell that would balence scouts no?
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Centurion mkII
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
175
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:18:00 -
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CCPs back story for the minmatar had them enslaved for 100s of years so yes. |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
570
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:23:00 -
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Not to mention that the standard minnie assault can't even get a decent tank with a standard light weapon and sidearm, and don't even dream of a nanohive!
Host of Zilla's Games!
The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
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hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
570
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:25:00 -
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Eldest Dragon wrote:Sadly this suit is pretty trashy like the cal assault is now, which sux bc I've wanted to spec into it for a while. The bonus is sick, I can think of some fun fits I could run with it, but the fact is its lacking in too many areas. There's not enough perks to go into it. Basically there is the race bonus and speed like either one of those is gonna help in the current build. 1.7 is not gonna help this none.
Just remember min assaults you have 3 steps you have to follow when running this suit.
step 1: Find a target and make sure he does not see you.
step 2: When coast is clear engage target assaulting viciously.
step 3: While assaulting make sure to catch his name before dying horribly.
Congratulations, you have completed all 3 steps for assaulting with a min assault, dont it feel great. Now that you found out his name you can send him as much hate mail as you like.
Umm... did you just say the cal assault is trash?
*walks away and slams door behind*
Host of Zilla's Games!
The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
8340
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:38:00 -
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Source
CCP Saberwing wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:What happened to the Caldari Production Facility? I don't see it in the patch notes? Delayed? It was pulled for performance reasons from 1.7 and requires a little more time. Should hopefully make an appearance in a release soon. Regarding all the questions around shield extenders: the penalty is 3%. Edit: Patch notes should be updated to reflect that. :)
If this is a flat penalty across the tiers, maybe it won't be so bad. Now if we could buff the bonus to apply to total clip size and base ammo capacity, we'll be in business.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
769
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Posted - 2013.12.05 07:57:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:hate Minmatar Assaults? you haven't seen bad until you've used the Minmatar Scout.
that suit is the definition of gimped.
I'm fully aware, I've tooled around with it quite a bit. The Assault however was semi-useful on the front lines before this shite, now it's as useless basic precision enhancer on a heavy suit..........
Fix TTK!!!
MATARI PRIDE!!!
Tears For Our Dearly Departed ReGnYuM. May He One Day Return To Shoot Us All In The Face...
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
770
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Posted - 2013.12.05 13:33:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Ranger SnakeBlood wrote:+1 i remember reading the patch notes and thinking all well and good iam actually quite a fan of some of the updates, but the state of the minmatar Assualt suit is just unfortunate, basicly if the amarr make a push on FW now things could get really interesting lol as minmatar suits is all we will be able to get so logi is the new assualt, assualt is going to essentially have to be a glas cannon making use of 2 or 3 damage mods at proto as not to gimp our selfs with shield recharge delay.
So 1.7 is like the great duct tape shortage or something,
how to fix us reinforce the whole hit and run/ gurrilla warefare mentallity the minmatar are famous for, make us as good if not better at recharging shield than caldari this way we still have low buffer but better ability to hit get out recharge hit again, and give us a actual role on the battlefield that aint a second rate assualt suit that runs a bit faster. What about dampening? Being easily spotted by scanners completely throws hit and run out the window. Also note, even two Complex dampeners will not protect us from proto scanners, considering that the Proto Minmatar Assault only has two lows, this is not good.
I currently run either an ADV repper and a basic plate or an enhanced damp and a regulator on mine (otherwise there is no way to fit a decent amount of HP on it) with one energizer, one recharger & 3 extenders.
If CCP insists on doing this to us, we need both a PG/CPU increase and a 3rd low slot to help us deal with this nerf or we will be completely useless.
The shield nerf is intended to cut back on Caldari advantages, and we Minmatar are suffering because of this. Throw us a bone here CCP!
Fix TTK!!!
MATARI PRIDE!!!
Tears For Our Dearly Departed ReGnYuM. May He One Day Return To Shoot Us All In The Face...
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steadyhand amarr
steadyhands independent mercenarys
2017
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Posted - 2013.12.05 13:41:00 -
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3 extenders 2 regulaters?
Edit do agree the ttk is a load of smeg though :-P:-P
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
770
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Posted - 2013.12.05 14:17:00 -
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If shield extenders are getting nerfed, regs need a buff unless this is an anti Caldari move by CCP that the Matsri people happen to have gotten caught up in, in which case Minmatar suits need a buff.
Fix TTK!!!
MATARI PRIDE!!!
Tears For Our Dearly Departed ReGnYuM. May He One Day Return To Shoot Us All In The Face...
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Chewie Parker
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
77
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:08:00 -
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Fully agree with this Thread . myself and chains79 have been discussing this for weeks , we cant seem to get a really effective build from this suite even with max pg and cpu . needs a look .
buff all assaults and heavys , but this one needs a little more on top . |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1574
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:12:00 -
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I run proto minmatar assault with 2 enhanced dampeners, stacked shields and energiser with shotty and SMG.
Hit and run with speed and stealth, the duct tape way, I know it sucks but if you use it in this way it works fine, swap the shotty for a more appropriate weapon for the situation.
Edit: with the new update just Max out dampening, put a complex dampener on and swap the other dampener for a regulator, might have to drop the SMG though, I'm not sure.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
Fix PC lag please CCP.
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Chewie Parker
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
77
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:17:00 -
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the combat rifle looks like it may help with its lower pg cpu , im a prologi , so im specing in to this as my assault variant . im on level4 at present for the min assult , and will complete it on the 10th when i get my 600,000 sp from vehicals .
reading the stacking penalties on this suit is kind of a kick in the nutts , put we'll get by . thanks for the info tech meds  |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
377
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:20:00 -
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The combination of HD buff and AA has made any suit that's hard to hit useless...
CCP doesnt want people challenged when they are aiming... Thats where they think all the game reviewer's had problems with their "clunky" aiming mechanic's.
So they just installed a system that did a majority of the aiming work for you as long as you do the big movements and then every suit that was based around not being hit was obsolete. Everyone has pinpoint aim with good HD and near to no recoil now.
Everyone now regardless of personal skill is a sharpshooter dead eye right now.. If we where all trying to twitch aim and get headshot's and death's really didn't matter at all that much? sure AA is cool in CoD, in DUST? its created more balance issues then any one thing has in the history of DUST. |
Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
802
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:25:00 -
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Dudes. 4 shield extendets will only add 0.65 seconds to depleted delay on a cal assault. Its not a big deal. TTK is the real problem.
KDR > ALL
ME > KDR
ME > ALL
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Chewie Parker
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
77
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:28:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Dudes. 4 shield extendets will only add 0.65 seconds to depleted delay on a cal assault. Its not a big deal. TTK is the real problem.
the suit was a little weak before , not sure on the depleted shield recharge time on the cal , but the min starts with a 10 sec DSR . it just feels like this suit could have a little more too it  |
Guinevere Bravo
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
467
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:29:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Dudes. 4 shield extenders will only add 0.65 seconds to depleted delay on a cal assault. Its not a big deal. TTK is the real problem.
Obviously missed the memo on Minmatar suits! |
Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
803
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:30:00 -
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Guinevere Bravo wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Dudes. 4 shield extenders will only add 0.65 seconds to depleted delay on a cal assault. Its not a big deal. TTK is the real problem. Obviously missed the memo on Minmatar suits!
Yes. Seems so. :o
Just got off work.
KDR > ALL
ME > KDR
ME > ALL
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4372
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:30:00 -
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And that is why ladies and gentlemen, we need more than one bonus on suits, like in EVE.
How about a bonus that negates that penalty for Minmatar assaults?
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Chewie Parker
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
77
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:30:00 -
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Guinevere Bravo wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Dudes. 4 shield extenders will only add 0.65 seconds to depleted delay on a cal assault. Its not a big deal. TTK is the real problem. Obviously missed the memo on Minmatar suits!
its on shield extenders in general not the min suit |
Kazeno Rannaa
BIG BAD W0LVES
349
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:33:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:The Minmatar race already had the weakest suits in the game HP-wise, and in this super low TTK environment no amount of speed can save you if you aren't within 2m of cover at all times. Now our assaults 5 high slots are going to be useless since our "hit-and-run" suits now can't even augment our fits with the crappy 66hp bonus of a shield extender without ruining our ability to recover in the few instances when we CAN reach cover to regen shields. There are only 2 high modules that are currently viable for assault fits, and we only have 2 low slots to 'sort of' counteract the damage you are now causing us when we try to buff our HP with one of them.
Why you gotta kick a man when he's down CCP? Why you gotta hate bro?
Quit crying SLAVE and leaner your place: Lick the boots of those you SERVE!!!!
"Mind is the Only reality, of which all other natures are better or worse reflections.GÇ¥ RWE
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Chewie Parker
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
77
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:35:00 -
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Kazeno Rannaa wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:The Minmatar race already had the weakest suits in the game HP-wise, and in this super low TTK environment no amount of speed can save you if you aren't within 2m of cover at all times. Now our assaults 5 high slots are going to be useless since our "hit-and-run" suits now can't even augment our fits with the crappy 66hp bonus of a shield extender without ruining our ability to recover in the few instances when we CAN reach cover to regen shields. There are only 2 high modules that are currently viable for assault fits, and we only have 2 low slots to 'sort of' counteract the damage you are now causing us when we try to buff our HP with one of them.
Why you gotta kick a man when he's down CCP? Why you gotta hate bro? Quit crying SLAVE and leaner your place: Lick the boots of those you SERVE!!!!
Learn to spell before you mock others , fool  |
Guinevere Bravo
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
467
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:35:00 -
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Chewie Parker wrote:Guinevere Bravo wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Dudes. 4 shield extenders will only add 0.65 seconds to depleted delay on a cal assault. Its not a big deal. TTK is the real problem. Obviously missed the memo on Minmatar suits! its on shield extenders in general not the min suit
He says in the thread labled;
'CCP... do you hate us Minmatar assaults?'
Bloody Illiterate Caldari scum  |
T'orq
DUST University
Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:36:00 -
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So, I have been thinking on putting sp into minmatar assault, but after reading this thread I don't know. Is it worth it or just wait? |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1969
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:39:00 -
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T'orq wrote:So, I have been thinking on putting sp into minmatar assault, but after reading this thread I don't know. Is it worth it or just wait?
If you really like your side arms it's an alright suit.
STD is useless. ADV is slightly less useless. PRO is useful if you manage to not get spotted and hug cover.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Chewie Parker
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
77
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:41:00 -
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Guinevere Bravo wrote:Chewie Parker wrote:Guinevere Bravo wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Dudes. 4 shield extenders will only add 0.65 seconds to depleted delay on a cal assault. Its not a big deal. TTK is the real problem. Obviously missed the memo on Minmatar suits! its on shield extenders in general not the min suit He says in the thread labled; 'CCP... do you hate us Minmatar assaults?' Bloody Illiterate Caldari scum
Well you can see from this thread that the caldari education system has suffered due to corporate policy . what the poor fools don't realise is , We're Ex SLAVES , WE ARE NOW FREE . we are allowed to think freely unlike the corporate run systems of the Wallmarty,,,, i mean caldari. the caldari are slaves to the corporations they follow . corporations brought slavery to a whole new level..... |
Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
803
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:45:00 -
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Calculus anyone?
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1566175#post1566175
KDR > ALL
ME > KDR
ME > ALL
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Chewie Parker
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
78
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:50:00 -
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ITS CACTUS OR CACTI you southern caldari are so funny ...... |
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T'orq
DUST University
Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2013.12.05 15:55:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:T'orq wrote:So, I have been thinking on putting sp into minmatar assault, but after reading this thread I don't know. Is it worth it or just wait? If you really like your side arms it's an alright suit. STD is useless. ADV is slightly less useless. PRO is useful if you manage to not get spotted and hug cover.
Well, I am not skilled into sidearms, I am a logi so.... you see where I am heading now? |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
775
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Posted - 2013.12.05 16:11:00 -
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T'orq wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:T'orq wrote:So, I have been thinking on putting sp into minmatar assault, but after reading this thread I don't know. Is it worth it or just wait? If you really like your side arms it's an alright suit. STD is useless. ADV is slightly less useless. PRO is useful if you manage to not get spotted and hug cover. Well, I am not skilled into sidearms, I am a logi so.... you see where I am heading now?
It's slightly more tanky than a scout, slightly faster than other assault suits, it has a 1HP passive armor regen per second, and the skill for it gives you a sidearm clipsize bonus (at lvl 5 you will have 100 bullets in an SMG clip instead of 80).
That's about it for our "benefits", not that any of those is really a benefit in this low TTK environment except maybe the clip size buff.
Fix TTK!!!
MATARI PRIDE!!!
Tears For Our Dearly Departed ReGnYuM. May He One Day Return To Shoot Us All In The Face...
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T'orq
DUST University
Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2013.12.05 16:19:00 -
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Ok, thank you guys for your help. I think I will just wait to put sp into assault.
I might try damage mods on my logi suit.=/ |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1970
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Posted - 2013.12.05 16:25:00 -
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T'orq wrote:Ok, thank you guys for your help. I think I will just wait to put sp into assault.
I might try damage mods on my logi suit.=/
Save your SP for now. As much as I want to say "it'll get better!" it probably won't for months. The side arm bonus for the assault is really sweet when not going against other proto suits unless you get the jump on them in CQC. Even then you're really pushing your luck because they can have almost twice your HP. You really have to rely on your extra movement speed to try to out dance them.
Every engagement with a Minmatar suit is risky.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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T'orq
DUST University
Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2013.12.05 16:30:00 -
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Ok, will do. And I know, I have to be careful in my logi suit.=) |
Ripcord19981
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:01:00 -
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Bump
I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either.
Turkey sammich>taco
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Atheor Sindromer
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:11:00 -
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Minmatar suits are so ****** right now, but that's a good thing because..
We adapt to our surroundings and get better. Once the suits get patched and we get more benefits we'll still have our field experience from back in the day. Amarrians will have good reason to start running away from us with their 4.3 sprint speed and +700 armor.  |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:15:00 -
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Aria Gomes wrote:Pour out a little liquor for us Minmatar. We might turn into a dying race. :(
Just like the Jovians 
My Very First Thread About Tanks
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:21:00 -
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Aria Gomes wrote:Pour out a little liquor for us Minmatar. We might turn into a dying race. :(
Matari scouts taking the lead!
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 2
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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DildoMcnutz
Science For Death
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:46:00 -
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I will post my thoughts here in the interest of getting this suit fixed because its not just the new extender changes, i truly feel that this suit needs to be looked at. Why? Because in my opinion there really isn't a single way you can fit this suit that the Caldari assault cannot cover equally well or better. What we essentially have now is a shield based suit with its shield stats equal to or worse than that of its armoured counterparts and that's completely ridiculous to me.
I understand that the Minmatar Assault should not be able to have equal shield stats to that of the Caldari, they are the primary shield based race and this should be reflected in the 2 suits stats but surely we can have better recharge rates and timers than the 2 armoured races? What is reason for us not having that? The speed? The sh!t house 1hp/s armour rep? If it is based off that then the suit is being punished too much for it in the shield department imo.
Given then that the Caldari is to be the primary shield tanker then what of our Minmatar assault pyjamas? It is my understanding that it is to be shield based, not quite as good as the caldari, but alot faster and it is....that is until we hit the prototype level and the extremely unforgiving slot layout rears its head. Both suits are going to need to run a CPU upgrade for any good prototype fit which leaves the Minnie with 1 slot and the Caldari with 2. As far as biotics the Minnie Can run a red or a green, the caldari could run 2 reds, 2 greens or a red and a green or a biotic and any other module of their choosing like a reg or decent rep or whatever.
So in this regard the Caldari suit can be faster with 2 reds, have more endurance with 2 greens or not be quite as fast but have way more endurance with a red and a green whilst having better tank, regen and recharge timers! What a complete crock of sh!t, this isn't even covering the fact the caldari suit can make WAY better use of armour in its fittings than than the Minmatar can or could double stack regs for insane recharge timers. The Caldari Suit imo fills any role the Minmatar could and is WAY more versatile and much more forgiving in its fitting capabilities.
Basically all we are left with is the clip bonus and 5.3 movement speed as our upside, i really don't think thats enough of a benefit over what the Caldari could achieve, not to mention that if we dont run a reg in our only low we will have a lower depleted time than the 2 armoured assaults and that isn't fair. I am not too sure what should be done to allow the Minnie assault to better fill its role im too tired to think hard atm, but a little better shield stats wouldn't go too far astray.
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Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:47:00 -
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Back when I started (July), decent gun game and a bit of fancy footwork kept you alive in the Min Assault. Now? I'm a lost little puppy dog looking for protection from my green/blue buddies. The suit is best used for flanking, but at this point you can't flank anywhere near a hot zone as 1 extra red breaking off the main push towards you forces retreat or death.
I still try to stand and fight when protecting objectives, but 2-3 kills is about all you can get out of a hard push from reds before you are dropped. I do have my biotics at 5, which lets me put 2 enhanced plates on my ADV Min Assault while pretty much avoiding the movement penalty, and if there is an uplink/CRU close to a contested area this lets me keep up some kind of consistent pressure on a hot zone until friendlies arrive, at the cost of my KDR and wallet, but with the win being the most important stat (to me) I don't mind too much.
The best thing to do at the moment is to stick by a stronger assault player, kinda like the logi/heavy combo. 2 guns are always better than 1, and the Min assault can still do decent damage. I also run an ADV nanite injector, which lets me help keep a push going, even if I can't do it directly through combat.
Something I am looking into for post 1.7 is vehicle scanners. With intel assists being added, and hopefully a bit of a rework on vehicle scanning mechanics, I will most likely spec into vehicle scanners and run a sort of heavy scout role, sweeping up the perimeter of hot zones, picking my fights and where they take place. I may even skill into remote vehicle armor reppers and move towards a tank support role, scanning, repping, and engaging on foot any troublesome AVers for my Corp armor.
Every time I try to walk away, something makes me turn around and stay, and I can't tell you why
Eagles Dust Tribute
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Zahle Undt
Unkn0wn Killers
Renegade Alliance
507
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:36:00 -
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As it is the suit is too short on CPU/PG to even fit 5 complex extenders without usimg our whole 2 low slots for CPU &PG modules. Not that one should bother stacking Shields even thanks to the OP tactical scrambler riffle. Can't fulfill or intended"flanker" role thanks to OP scanners. And now they are adding a shield stacking penalty so yeah CCP obviously hates the minmatar assault with a passion. I've taken to running 2 enhanced plates in my lows with K17 nanohives to get by, however, it removes the while point of the suit in my opinion having to do so. It makes the suit pretty much another generic assault suit only not as good. |
TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:44:00 -
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-25% bonus to the lowest shield regen in the game
-25% bonus to sidearm clip ....... Why the hell do our assaults have to rely on a sidearm....???
I think the bonuses are pretty lame and both should be changed
not sure what to, but I'd vote for a speed bonus |
Phazoid
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:48:00 -
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word from a scout- get used to it bro ...
Me and my inner demons stopped fighting......We are on the same side now...
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
113
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:50:00 -
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More and more often the only tactical advantage speed tanks have is........
the ability to run away  |
Aria Gomes
Death by Disassociation
Zero-Day
181
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:57:00 -
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So with the changes to the shield extenders the Minmatar Assault shield depleted recharge will be 10.817 so like another second longer (using 4 shield extenders).
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
114
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:13:00 -
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ooohhh crap,
I forgot about that .....
stacking penalty for shield extenders
lol
they give the Amarr suits more Shield,Armour,Stamina,Shield/Stamina Regen
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Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
657
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:14:00 -
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:< I know a person who has a Minimatar suit that works so well that I'm afraid to go against them in my Proto Gal Tank :<.
No troll.
No BS.
It just works.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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Aria Gomes
Death by Disassociation
Zero-Day
182
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:37:00 -
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Edited my post about trying the new suit I made for 1.7 |
deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
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Posted - 2013.12.08 20:52:00 -
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Mim assault should get a cpu buff because of this imo
Christ is lord
Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now.
Fear is a choice, I choose not to let it control me.
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.09 09:25:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:More and more often the only tactical advantage speed tanks have is........ the ability to run away
Unfortunately 9 times outta 10 running away does nothing but get you shot in the back....
I think the Minmatar mediums should be classified as heavy scouts and recieve attention when CCP refocuses on scouts in the next build.
MINMATAR ARISE! DEMAND that our race's suits be FIXED!!! WE WILL NOT GIVE IN!!
MATARI PRIDE!!
FIX TTK!!
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Emerald Bellerophon
Nenikekamen
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Posted - 2013.12.09 10:19:00 -
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This whole discussion seems to depend upon the fallacy that the game devs have any clue whatsoever about the 'balance' they're supposed to be trying to create. Their entire process to date has been meant to create a series of FOTMs, and for December 2013, the Minmatar assault isn't it. Wait another 6 months, like the previously-underperforming Gallente logi has, and maybe you'll have your time... hopefully the game will last long enough fot that to happen at all. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.09 10:37:00 -
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Emerald Bellerophon wrote:This whole discussion seems to depend upon the fallacy that the game devs have any clue whatsoever about the 'balance' they're supposed to be trying to create. Their entire process to date has been meant to create a series of FOTMs, and for December 2013, the Minmatar assault isn't it. Wait another 6 months, like the previously-underperforming Gallente logi has, and maybe you'll have your time... hopefully the game will last long enough fot that to happen at all.
I beg to differ on the Gallogi. It has always had a passive 5 armor rep at lvl 5, it has always had a bonus to equipment fittings, it has always had access to repping hives. The Gallogi has always been decent, at least as decent as the Amarr. It's just that it's utility was overlooked due to the issues with the Callogi. Once the Callogi was fixed and armor got buffed, that's when it went from par to OP.
As for waiting 6 months, we already have. Gallogi was always decent and went from decent to extreme. In the same amount of time the Minmatar have gone from poor/semi-viable to almost completely broken. All we want is for Minmatar to straddle the par, to hell with getting to be OP.
MINMATAR ARISE! DEMAND that our race's suits be FIXED!!! WE WILL NOT GIVE IN!!
MATARI PRIDE!!
FIX TTK!!
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.12 20:06:00 -
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Bump
It's dangerous to travel the forums alone, take this! (.:'*Honeyed'Lamb*':.)
FIX TTK & MINSUITS (GîÉ_GîÉ )
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