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Kira Lannister
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
2029
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:10:00 -
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Thoughts.
"The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire."
Book of Exiles 1:3
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
600
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:12:00 -
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Side war as people try to get other people to run into battle?
Munch
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
5735
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:14:00 -
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Aha, finally an actual counter to redline sniping!
Level 5 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
2117
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:16:00 -
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This would make me SOOOOOOO happy.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
601
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:24:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Aha, finally an actual counter to redline sniping!
As a dedicated sniper, statements like this worry me.
I almost always move around but I do redline if the situation calls for it. Like if the whole team is redlined.
If blue people hunt me down I might be tempted to "counter" them.
If a sniper is going 7-0 in the middle of a game or covering a hack point (often more than one at a time) or shooting AV guys with swarm launchers or hacking or counter-hacking or breaking a teams momentum or sniping reds when they call in vehicles, or shredding shields and armour on guys who are about to kill you, you might want to think twice about shooting him.
Just a thought.
Munch
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
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Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
106
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:27:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:Thoughts.
In Mother Russia we shoot you for not being on front lines...
In seriousness, it already is. If you are high enough in your FW standing, then you can afford to TK a couple times to get idiots hiding in the redline to get the message.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
5737
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:28:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Aha, finally an actual counter to redline sniping! As a dedicated sniper, statements like this worry me. I almost always move around but I do redline if the situation calls for it. Like if the whole team is redlined. If blue people hunt me down I might be tempted to "counter" them. If a sniper is going 7-0 in the middle of a game or covering a hack point (often more than one at a time) or shooting AV guys with swarm launchers or hacking or counter-hacking or breaking a teams momentum or sniping reds when they call in vehicles, or shredding shields and armour on guys who are about to kill you, you might want to think twice about shooting him. Just a thought. Munch
Oh, I don't have anything against what you contribute.
My problem is people who sit in the redline and the only counter is another sniper, which is actually difficult because it's still a pain to find them.
I have gone 30 and 40+ kills in a match with a Thale's without taking a single shot in return.
Level 5 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
75
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:28:00 -
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People are ******* stupid about red line sniper seriously. Sometimes its just strategic positioning. If you can hit players as they fight over the entrance to a compound and knock their logi's out from behind their guard dogs, it can be a bit of an advantage. Just because their doing it from a range you cant and not exposing themselves as much to enemy fire doesnt mean jack ****.
Let them play their game and focus on yours rather than worrying about what blueberry number 8 is doing behind the redline.
Dedicated scout.
Caldari loyalist.
Pistol supremacy.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
2118
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:29:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Aha, finally an actual counter to redline sniping! As a dedicated sniper, statements like this worry me. I almost always move around but I do redline if the situation calls for it. Like if the whole team is redlined. If blue people hunt me down I might be tempted to "counter" them. If a sniper is going 7-0 in the middle of a game or covering a hack point (often more than one at a time) or shooting AV guys with swarm launchers or hacking or counter-hacking or breaking a teams momentum or sniping reds when they call in vehicles, or shredding shields and armour on guys who are about to kill you, you might want to think twice about shooting him. Just a thought. Munch
I don't think anybody dislikes a sniper that contributes. They are just very rare
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
329
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:35:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Poonmunch wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Aha, finally an actual counter to redline sniping! As a dedicated sniper, statements like this worry me. I almost always move around but I do redline if the situation calls for it. Like if the whole team is redlined. If blue people hunt me down I might be tempted to "counter" them. If a sniper is going 7-0 in the middle of a game or covering a hack point (often more than one at a time) or shooting AV guys with swarm launchers or hacking or counter-hacking or breaking a teams momentum or sniping reds when they call in vehicles, or shredding shields and armour on guys who are about to kill you, you might want to think twice about shooting him. Just a thought. Munch I don't think anybody dislikes a sniper that contributes. They are just very rare
A sniper that goes 2-0 in battle by killing two people that were hacking a node can be worth much more than someone going 15-5.
That said, guess I'll just throw on a militia sniper suit and annoy the enemy, just in case some idiot from my own team decides that I'm not doing enough and kills me in a 200k+ suit.
Life is killing me.
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Seigfried Warheit
65
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:42:00 -
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 Im gonna get kicked from battles...Im gonna shoot people in the mcc..people spinning in circles in ground spawn  better not wear your proto suits in the mcc anymore |
Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
604
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:50:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Poonmunch wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Aha, finally an actual counter to redline sniping! As a dedicated sniper, statements like this worry me. I almost always move around but I do redline if the situation calls for it. Like if the whole team is redlined. If blue people hunt me down I might be tempted to "counter" them. If a sniper is going 7-0 in the middle of a game or covering a hack point (often more than one at a time) or shooting AV guys with swarm launchers or hacking or counter-hacking or breaking a teams momentum or sniping reds when they call in vehicles, or shredding shields and armour on guys who are about to kill you, you might want to think twice about shooting him. Just a thought. Munch I don't think anybody dislikes a sniper that contributes. They are just very rare A sniper that goes 2-0 in battle by killing two people that were hacking a node can be worth much more than someone going 15-5. That said, guess I'll just throw on a militia sniper suit and annoy the enemy, just in case some idiot from my own team decides that I'm not doing enough and kills me in a 200k+ suit.
Word.
Sniping in CQC in a militia suit will just cause our team to lose a crap-load of clones.
Munch
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
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Jammer Jalapeno
BIG BAD W0LVES
80
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:50:00 -
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hahaha yes please +1
MmMmMm TanKs....delicious TanKs
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Heavenly Daughter
the Aurum Grinder and Company
217
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:52:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:Thoughts.
There are plenty of other people out there to kill, you want to team kill too, simply because you can't stand the snipers.
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\__/ 514 | NFP Prime League Winner| Longest Kill 588 Mtr
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Heavenly Daughter
the Aurum Grinder and Company
217
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:53:00 -
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Jadd Hatchen wrote:Kira Lannister wrote:Thoughts. In Mother Russia we shoot you for not being on front lines...
Kind of defeats the ENTIRE role of a sniper. Dumb idea
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5536
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:56:00 -
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Thale sniper rifles. Just saying.
/sharpens knives
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Tch Tch
Red Shirts Away Team
27
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:57:00 -
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Ivy Zalinto wrote:People are ******* stupid about red line sniper seriously. Sometimes its just strategic positioning. If you can hit players as they fight over the entrance to a compound and knock their logi's out from behind their guard dogs, it can be a bit of an advantage. Just because their doing it from a range you cant and not exposing themselves as much to enemy fire doesnt mean jack ****.
Let them play their game and focus on yours rather than worrying about what blueberry number 8 is doing behind the redline.
It's not the distance.
Nor is it the many or few kills
Nor is it being able to support or not an objective push.
Pro:
Redline sniping is a good way for a noob to learn about a battlefield. To see how teams eb and flow around objectives. On which ways are hidden goat trails and others murder zones. Combined with comms a sniper can be a silent scanner keeping their team appraised of enemy movements.
Con is that the sniper uses an artificial constraint of map size dictated by computer hardware to make it not possible to be flanked. This is like playing chess with your queen off the board but still able to take opposing piecies wihout being taken back. And for good game play dynamics a counter to something should never be itself. For a newbies learning curve that can be detrimental as it only enhances tunnel vision. From a gameplay situation it's no different to exploiting other hardware limitations/defects from AFK AVs doing triangle squats to semi automatics becoming auto fire with a cheap controller.
IMDHO If you want WP you should only get these in the war zone. Same with KDR, only counts from within the war zone. Or the moment you get WP in your green zone it is no longer a safe haven for you and the timer kicks off (maybe only if you are on the winning team at the time so if you are being redlined you have some fight back)
Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1818
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:59:00 -
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Go away for a few days and look at the stuff you miss.
There have a been a few times where a good enemy sniper has killed me without me knowing where he/she is. So, the best bet then is to stay deep and find a safe place to peek around... maybe even in the red.
I can see it now. Due to the amount of sniper hate we'll be shot simply for running in the "wrong" direction after spawning or perhaps for carrying the wrong weapon. At least if it's only our own redline we won't have worry about it very much -- any loser coming back to get you will be fair game as well. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
2120
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:59:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Poonmunch wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Aha, finally an actual counter to redline sniping! As a dedicated sniper, statements like this worry me. I almost always move around but I do redline if the situation calls for it. Like if the whole team is redlined. If blue people hunt me down I might be tempted to "counter" them. If a sniper is going 7-0 in the middle of a game or covering a hack point (often more than one at a time) or shooting AV guys with swarm launchers or hacking or counter-hacking or breaking a teams momentum or sniping reds when they call in vehicles, or shredding shields and armour on guys who are about to kill you, you might want to think twice about shooting him. Just a thought. Munch I don't think anybody dislikes a sniper that contributes. They are just very rare A sniper that goes 2-0 in battle by killing two people that were hacking a node can be worth much more than someone going 15-5. That said, guess I'll just throw on a militia sniper suit and annoy the enemy, just in case some idiot from my own team decides that I'm not doing enough and kills me in a 200k+ suit.
You may think that a sniper that went 2-0 contributed more than the guy who went 15-5, but you'd be wrong.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
8261
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Posted - 2013.12.03 21:00:00 -
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The only redline snipers that **** me off are the ones who do it with railguns
Win ISK / Vids / O7
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Amarrian Desperado
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
90
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Posted - 2013.12.03 21:01:00 -
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Whoops, did I accidentally teamkill your normally invincible thale fit that can only be countered with a psychic orbital strike or a hostile thale user, due to your abuse of broken rendering mechanics that makes you impossible to locate in any reasonable manner?
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to do that. I swear, I was trying to protect you from the scout that snuck up behind you, half a kilometer behind our redline! Plz dont punish i have a nanite injector... oh my bad those are remote explosives |
Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
79
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Posted - 2013.12.03 21:09:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:The only redline snipers that **** me off are the ones who do it with railguns
I have a rail tank, its impossible for me to do said railsniping. Players dont render to me out past 80-100 meters. Hope they fix this, railgun arent meant to be that close...
Dedicated scout.
Caldari loyalist.
Pistol supremacy.
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Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
369
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Posted - 2013.12.03 21:15:00 -
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"i will pay you 1mill if you kill tha thale sniper on your team the whole game"
A strange game.
The only winning move is
not to play.
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
605
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:07:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Thale sniper rifles. Just saying.
/sharpens knives
It's ok.
If you are a red, I'll get you back.
If you are a blue, I'll get you back too.
Munch
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
1098
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:10:00 -
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FW will be nice without Thale's.
I want to see their heavy suit survive a Plasma Cannon to the back of the head.
I just realized how brutal that would look to an observer. Execution with a rocket launcher .
[+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Level 1 Forum Warrior
The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered
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Suanar Daranaus
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:12:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Thale sniper rifles. Just saying.
/sharpens knives It's ok. If you are a red, I'll get you back. If you are a blue, I'll get you back too. Munch
What Munch said,
THIS is why we Don't Need FF !
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5542
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:12:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Thale sniper rifles. Just saying.
/sharpens knives It's ok. If you are a red, I'll get you back. If you are a blue, I'll get you back too. Munch
I'll have your back if you know what I mean.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
605
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:13:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Poonmunch wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Thale sniper rifles. Just saying.
/sharpens knives It's ok. If you are a red, I'll get you back. If you are a blue, I'll get you back too. Munch I'll have your back if you know what I mean.
Bring it.
Munch
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
1098
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:15:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Poonmunch wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Thale sniper rifles. Just saying.
/sharpens knives It's ok. If you are a red, I'll get you back. If you are a blue, I'll get you back too. Munch I'll have your back if you know what I mean. Bring it. Munch
Why don't you just put "Munch" in your sig?
[+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Level 1 Forum Warrior
The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered
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Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
330
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Posted - 2013.12.05 16:30:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:You may think that a sniper that went 2-0 contributed more than the guy who went 15-5, but you'd be wrong.
Seriously? One sniper defending a node and preventing an enemy hack for the duration for the battle isn't valuable? Things may be different in the world of big corps that can clone out the enemy with ease...but for those of us who actually enjoy fighting in evenly-matched battles, one node hack can be the difference between victory and defeat.
Life is killing me.
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Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
496
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Posted - 2013.12.05 16:52:00 -
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Red line just needs to go
Fortify the spawn area with a few more bunkers or small buildings and some indestructible blaster and rail gun installations that do more damage than the ones in the field. |
Kira Lannister
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
2029
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Posted - 2013.12.05 17:36:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Red line just needs to go
Fortify the spawn area with a few more bunkers or small buildings and some indestructible blaster and rail gun installations that do more damage than the ones in the field.
*RUNS INTO BUNKER*
*CHUCKS CORE NADE*
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"The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire."
Book of Exiles 1:3
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Admonishment
The Enclave Syndicate
Dark Taboo
40
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Posted - 2013.12.05 17:38:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Poonmunch wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Aha, finally an actual counter to redline sniping! As a dedicated sniper, statements like this worry me. I almost always move around but I do redline if the situation calls for it. Like if the whole team is redlined. If blue people hunt me down I might be tempted to "counter" them. If a sniper is going 7-0 in the middle of a game or covering a hack point (often more than one at a time) or shooting AV guys with swarm launchers or hacking or counter-hacking or breaking a teams momentum or sniping reds when they call in vehicles, or shredding shields and armour on guys who are about to kill you, you might want to think twice about shooting him. Just a thought. Munch I don't think anybody dislikes a sniper that contributes. They are just very rare
I've had people try to run me off an edge with an LAV while I had double the amount of WP lol people just want to kill snipers simply because they are sniping. Even if you are doing more than them. Funny thing is a lot of the times that same person barely has any WP or kills showing they did anything to help.
Level 5 Proficiency in Tupperware handling.
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
380
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Posted - 2013.12.05 17:45:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Poonmunch wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Aha, finally an actual counter to redline sniping! As a dedicated sniper, statements like this worry me. I almost always move around but I do redline if the situation calls for it. Like if the whole team is redlined. If blue people hunt me down I might be tempted to "counter" them. If a sniper is going 7-0 in the middle of a game or covering a hack point (often more than one at a time) or shooting AV guys with swarm launchers or hacking or counter-hacking or breaking a teams momentum or sniping reds when they call in vehicles, or shredding shields and armour on guys who are about to kill you, you might want to think twice about shooting him. Just a thought. Munch Oh, I don't have anything against what you contribute. My problem is people who sit in the redline and the only counter is another sniper, which is actually difficult because it's still a pain to find them. I have gone 30 and 40+ kills in a match with a Thale's without taking a single shot in return.
Redline snipers are incredulously easy to find and kill... I have no idea how you can't find them. And if nobody fires back you are either head glitch exploiting or nobody is interested.
And if nobody isinterested it usually means you are exaggerating your kil count.
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Unless you are skimming
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Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
496
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Posted - 2013.12.05 17:46:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Red line just needs to go
Fortify the spawn area with a few more bunkers or small buildings and some indestructible blaster and rail gun installations that do more damage than the ones in the field. *RUNS INTO BUNKER* *CHUCKS CORE NADE* +50 +50 +50 +50 +50
LOL - sounds good to me
The smart ones will hide in corners of the compound and wait for you to enter or exit.
CCP could even disable the opponents tacnet once you enter this area so you will have to find the correct bunker  |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
380
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Posted - 2013.12.05 17:58:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Aha, finally an actual counter to redline sniping! As a dedicated sniper, statements like this worry me. I almost always move around but I do redline if the situation calls for it. Like if the whole team is redlined. If blue people hunt me down I might be tempted to "counter" them. If a sniper is going 7-0 in the middle of a game or covering a hack point (often more than one at a time) or shooting AV guys with swarm launchers or hacking or counter-hacking or breaking a teams momentum or sniping reds when they call in vehicles, or shredding shields and armour on guys who are about to kill you, you might want to think twice about shooting him. Just a thought. Munch
Enemies will die in 15 seconds of being in the redline, no exceptions... harsh?. Being in any place that's 100% immune from someone countering you is a broken concept.
Kills and warpoints shouldn't even be counted after a timer is expired.
Does it bother vet's? nah they are kinda used to it and have learned to generally avoid it or have enough HP to make 1-2 mistakes. It completely ruins any NPE or casual gamer experience for something that should never have been a surprise to CCP. |
Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
426
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:16:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:Thoughts.
Huge. Fan. |
Auld Syne
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
145
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:19:00 -
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Ivy Zalinto wrote:People are ******* stupid about red line sniper seriously. Sometimes its just strategic positioning. If you can hit players as they fight over the entrance to a compound and knock their logi's out from behind their guard dogs, it can be a bit of an advantage. Just because their doing it from a range you cant and not exposing themselves as much to enemy fire doesnt mean jack ****.
Let them play their game and focus on yours rather than worrying about what blueberry number 8 is doing behind the redline.
lol scrub |
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