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Everything Dies wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Poonmunch wrote:

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

Aha, finally an actual counter to redline sniping!

As a dedicated sniper, statements like this worry me.

I almost always move around but I do redline if the situation calls for it. Like if the whole team is redlined.

If blue people hunt me down I might be tempted to "counter" them.

If a sniper is going 7-0 in the middle of a game or covering a hack point (often more than one at a time) or shooting AV guys with swarm launchers or hacking or counter-hacking or breaking a teams momentum or sniping reds when they call in vehicles, or shredding shields and armour on guys who are about to kill you, you might want to think twice about shooting him.

Just a thought.

Munch

I don't think anybody dislikes a sniper that contributes. They are just very rare

A sniper that goes 2-0 in battle by killing two people that were hacking a node can be worth much more than someone going 15-5.

That said, guess I'll just throw on a militia sniper suit and annoy the enemy, just in case some idiot from my own team decides that I'm not doing enough and kills me in a 200k+ suit.

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Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 2029	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:10:00 - [1] - Quote Thoughts. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 600	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:12:00 - [2] - Quote Side war as people try to get other people to run into battle? Munch What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5735	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:14:00 - [3] - Quote Aha, finally an actual counter to redline sniping! Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 2117	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:16:00 - [4] - Quote This would make me SOOOOOOO happy. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 601	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:24:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Aha, finally an actual counter to redline sniping! As a dedicated sniper, statements like this worry me. I almost always move around but I do redline if the situation calls for it. Like if the whole team is redlined. If blue people hunt me down I might be tempted to "counter" them. If a sniper is going 7-0 in the middle of a game or covering a hack point (often more than one at a time) or shooting AV guys with swarm launchers or hacking or counter-hacking or breaking a teams momentum or sniping reds when they call in vehicles, or shredding shields and armour on guys who are about to kill you, you might want to think twice about shooting him. Just a thought. Munch What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 106	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:27:00 - [6] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: Thoughts. In Mother Russia we shoot you for not being on front lines... In seriousness, it already is. If you are high enough in your FW standing, then you can afford to TK a couple times to get idiots hiding in the redline to get the message.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5737	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:28:00 - [7] - Quote Poonmunch wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Aha, finally an actual counter to redline sniping! As a dedicated sniper, statements like this worry me. I almost always move around but I do redline if the situation calls for it. Like if the whole team is redlined. If blue people hunt me down I might be tempted to "counter" them. If a sniper is going 7-0 in the middle of a game or covering a hack point (often more than one at a time) or shooting AV guys with swarm launchers or hacking or counter-hacking or breaking a teams momentum or sniping reds when they call in vehicles, or shredding shields and armour on guys who are about to kill you, you might want to think twice about shooting him. Just a thought. Munch Oh, I don't have anything against what you contribute. My problem is people who sit in the redline and the only counter is another sniper, which is actually difficult because it's still a pain to find them. I have gone 30 and 40+ kills in a match with a Thale's without taking a single shot in return. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 75	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:28:00 - [8] - Quote People are ***** stupid about red line sniper seriously. Sometimes its just strategic positioning. If you can hit players as they fight over the entrance to a compound and knock their logi's out from behind their guard dogs, it can be a bit of an advantage. Just because their doing it from a range you cant and not exposing themselves as much to enemy fire doesnt mean jack **. Let them play their game and focus on yours rather than worrying about what blueberry number 8 is doing behind the redline. Dedicated scout. Caldari loyalist. Pistol supremacy.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 2118	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:29:00 - [9] - Quote Poonmunch wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Aha, finally an actual counter to redline sniping! As a dedicated sniper, statements like this worry me. I almost always move around but I do redline if the situation calls for it. Like if the whole team is redlined. If blue people hunt me down I might be tempted to "counter" them. If a sniper is going 7-0 in the middle of a game or covering a hack point (often more than one at a time) or shooting AV guys with swarm launchers or hacking or counter-hacking or breaking a teams momentum or sniping reds when they call in vehicles, or shredding shields and armour on guys who are about to kill you, you might want to think twice about shooting him. Just a thought. Munch I don't think anybody dislikes a sniper that contributes. They are just very rare Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 329	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:35:00 - [10] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Poonmunch wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Aha, finally an actual counter to redline sniping! As a dedicated sniper, statements like this worry me. I almost always move around but I do redline if the situation calls for it. Like if the whole team is redlined. If blue people hunt me down I might be tempted to "counter" them. If a sniper is going 7-0 in the middle of a game or covering a hack point (often more than one at a time) or shooting AV guys with swarm launchers or hacking or counter-hacking or breaking a teams momentum or sniping reds when they call in vehicles, or shredding shields and armour on guys who are about to kill you, you might want to think twice about shooting him. Just a thought. Munch I don't think anybody dislikes a sniper that contributes. They are just very rare A sniper that goes 2-0 in battle by killing two people that were hacking a node can be worth much more than someone going 15-5. That said, guess I'll just throw on a militia sniper suit and annoy the enemy, just in case some idiot from my own team decides that I'm not doing enough and kills me in a 200k+ suit. Life is killing me.

Seigfried Warheit 65	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:42:00 - [11] - Quote Im gonna get kicked from battles...Im gonna shoot people in the mcc..people spinning in circles in ground spawn better not wear your proto suits in the mcc anymore
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 604	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:50:00 - [12] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Poonmunch wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Aha, finally an actual counter to redline sniping! As a dedicated sniper, statements like this worry me. I almost always move around but I do redline if the situation calls for it. Like if the whole team is redlined. If blue people hunt me down I might be tempted to "counter" them. If a sniper is going 7-0 in the middle of a game or covering a hack point (often more than one at a time) or shooting AV guys with swarm launchers or hacking or counter-hacking or breaking a teams momentum or sniping reds when they call in vehicles, or shredding shields and armour on guys who are about to kill you, you might want to think twice about shooting him. Just a thought. Munch I don't think anybody dislikes a sniper that contributes. They are just very rare A sniper that goes 2-0 in battle by killing two people that were hacking a node can be worth much more than someone going 15-5. That said, guess I'll just throw on a militia sniper suit and annoy the enemy, just in case some idiot from my own team decides that I'm not doing enough and kills me in a 200k+ suit. Word. Sniping in CQC in a militia suit will just cause our team to lose a crap-load of clones. Munch What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
Jammer Jalapeno BIG BAD W0LVES 80	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:50:00 - [13] - Quote hahaha yes please +1 MmMmMm TanKs....delicious TanKs
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 217	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:52:00 - [14] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: Thoughts. There are plenty of other people out there to kill, you want to team kill too, simply because you can't stand the snipers. . __ `/.)\ Nade \| Scan Attempt Prevented \| 31 mill SP \__/ 514 \| NFP Prime League Winner\| Longest Kill 588 Mtr`
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 217	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:53:00 - [15] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Kira Lannister wrote: Thoughts. In Mother Russia we shoot you for not being on front lines... Kind of defeats the ENTIRE role of a sniper. Dumb idea . __ `/.)\ Nade \| Scan Attempt Prevented \| 31 mill SP \__/ 514 \| NFP Prime League Winner\| Longest Kill 588 Mtr`
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5536	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:56:00 - [16] - Quote Thale sniper rifles. Just saying. /sharpens knives CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 27	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:57:00 - [17] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: People are ***** stupid about red line sniper seriously. Sometimes its just strategic positioning. If you can hit players as they fight over the entrance to a compound and knock their logi's out from behind their guard dogs, it can be a bit of an advantage. Just because their doing it from a range you cant and not exposing themselves as much to enemy fire doesnt mean jack **. Let them play their game and focus on yours rather than worrying about what blueberry number 8 is doing behind the redline. It's not the distance. Nor is it the many or few kills Nor is it being able to support or not an objective push. Pro: Redline sniping is a good way for a noob to learn about a battlefield. To see how teams eb and flow around objectives. On which ways are hidden goat trails and others murder zones. Combined with comms a sniper can be a silent scanner keeping their team appraised of enemy movements. Con is that the sniper uses an artificial constraint of map size dictated by computer hardware to make it not possible to be flanked. This is like playing chess with your queen off the board but still able to take opposing piecies wihout being taken back. And for good game play dynamics a counter to something should never be itself. For a newbies learning curve that can be detrimental as it only enhances tunnel vision. From a gameplay situation it's no different to exploiting other hardware limitations/defects from AFK AVs doing triangle squats to semi automatics becoming auto fire with a cheap controller. IMDHO If you want WP you should only get these in the war zone. Same with KDR, only counts from within the war zone. Or the moment you get WP in your green zone it is no longer a safe haven for you and the timer kicks off (maybe only if you are on the winning team at the time so if you are being redlined you have some fight back) Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1818	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:59:00 - [18] - Quote Go away for a few days and look at the stuff you miss. There have a been a few times where a good enemy sniper has killed me without me knowing where he/she is. So, the best bet then is to stay deep and find a safe place to peek around... maybe even in the red. I can see it now. Due to the amount of sniper hate we'll be shot simply for running in the "wrong" direction after spawning or perhaps for carrying the wrong weapon. At least if it's only our own redline we won't have worry about it very much -- any loser coming back to get you will be fair game as well.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 2120	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:59:00 - [19] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Poonmunch wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Aha, finally an actual counter to redline sniping! As a dedicated sniper, statements like this worry me. I almost always move around but I do redline if the situation calls for it. Like if the whole team is redlined. If blue people hunt me down I might be tempted to "counter" them. If a sniper is going 7-0 in the middle of a game or covering a hack point (often more than one at a time) or shooting AV guys with swarm launchers or hacking or counter-hacking or breaking a teams momentum or sniping reds when they call in vehicles, or shredding shields and armour on guys who are about to kill you, you might want to think twice about shooting him. Just a thought. Munch I don't think anybody dislikes a sniper that contributes. They are just very rare A sniper that goes 2-0 in battle by killing two people that were hacking a node can be worth much more than someone going 15-5. That said, guess I'll just throw on a militia sniper suit and annoy the enemy, just in case some idiot from my own team decides that I'm not doing enough and kills me in a 200k+ suit. You may think that a sniper that went 2-0 contributed more than the guy who went 15-5, but you'd be wrong. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8261	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:00:00 - [20] - Quote The only redline snipers that **** me off are the ones who do it with railguns Win ISK / Vids / O7

Amarrian Desperado Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 90	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:01:00 - [21] - Quote Whoops, did I accidentally teamkill your normally invincible thale fit that can only be countered with a psychic orbital strike or a hostile thale user, due to your abuse of broken rendering mechanics that makes you impossible to locate in any reasonable manner? I'm sorry, I didn't mean to do that. I swear, I was trying to protect you from the scout that snuck up behind you, half a kilometer behind our redline! Plz dont punish i have a nanite injector... oh my bad those are remote explosives
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 79	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:09:00 - [22] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The only redline snipers that **** me off are the ones who do it with railguns I have a rail tank, its impossible for me to do said railsniping. Players dont render to me out past 80-100 meters. Hope they fix this, railgun arent meant to be that close... Dedicated scout. Caldari loyalist. Pistol supremacy.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 369	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:15:00 - [23] - Quote "i will pay you 1mill if you kill tha thale sniper on your team the whole game" A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 605	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:07:00 - [24] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Thale sniper rifles. Just saying. /sharpens knives It's ok. If you are a red, I'll get you back. If you are a blue, I'll get you back too. Munch What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 1098	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:10:00 - [25] - Quote FW will be nice without Thale's. I want to see their heavy suit survive a Plasma Cannon to the back of the head. I just realized how brutal that would look to an observer. Execution with a rocket launcher. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Level 1 Forum Warrior The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered
Suanar Daranaus Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:12:00 - [26] - Quote Poonmunch wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Thale sniper rifles. Just saying. /sharpens knives It's ok. If you are a red, I'll get you back. If you are a blue, I'll get you back too. Munch What Munch said, THIS is why we Don't Need FF !
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5542	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:12:00 - [27] - Quote Poonmunch wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Thale sniper rifles. Just saying. /sharpens knives It's ok. If you are a red, I'll get you back. If you are a blue, I'll get you back too. Munch I'll have your back if you know what I mean. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 605	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:13:00 - [28] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Poonmunch wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Thale sniper rifles. Just saying. /sharpens knives It's ok. If you are a red, I'll get you back. If you are a blue, I'll get you back too. Munch I'll have your back if you know what I mean. Bring it. Munch What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 1098	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:15:00 - [29] - Quote Poonmunch wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Poonmunch wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Thale sniper rifles. Just saying. /sharpens knives It's ok. If you are a red, I'll get you back. If you are a blue, I'll get you back too. Munch I'll have your back if you know what I mean. Bring it. Munch Why don't you just put "Munch" in your sig? [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Level 1 Forum Warrior The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 330	Posted - 2013.12.05 16:30:00 - [30] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: You may think that a sniper that went 2-0 contributed more than the guy who went 15-5, but you'd be wrong. Seriously? One sniper defending a node and preventing an enemy hack for the duration for the battle isn't valuable? Things may be different in the world of big corps that can clone out the enemy with ease...but for those of us who actually enjoy fighting in evenly-matched battles, one node hack can be the difference between victory and defeat. Life is killing me.



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