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Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2628	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:09:00 - [1] - Quote I use Mass Drivers, in case someone didn't know, no damage mods just skill and proficiency (for the pg skill more than anything really) anyway I've been seeing an increase of complainants about the Mass Driver lately and I ask why? The Mass Drivers are hardly amazingly powerfull in the killing regard being a support weapon, and ya know....the nerffs, so the only problem I see here is damage mod stacking, but that's not what this thread is about. What's your opinion on Mass Drivers? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 89	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:11:00 - [2] - Quote Finally balanced, functional, good at what they are 'supposed' to do imo enemy suppression and burn that damn .gko to the ground. still need a buff to ammo capacity.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 389	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:12:00 - [3] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I use Mass Drivers, in case someone didn't know, no damage mods just skill and proficiency (for the pg skill more than anything really) anyway I've been seeing an increase of complainants about the Mass Driver lately and I ask why? The Mass Drivers are hardly amazingly powerfull in the killing regard being a support weapon, and ya know....the nerffs, so the only problem I see here is damage mod stacking, but that's not what this thread is about. What's your opinion on Mass Drivers? I actually think they are pretty well designed. I've only used them a couple times and it forces you to set up optimal situations for the weapon to be effective and you learn the value of nanohives and sidearms pretty quick. It's a good aiming mechanic as well and lets you put fire on guys in vertical spaces or behind cover. Not really a beef with them but their skill tree is interesting...different than any other weapon. You can not only increase damage but splash radius. Little surprised by that.
Cai Mo L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 7	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:15:00 - [4] - Quote It's a nice weapon and can be hugely annoying for the receiving end since you can't really hide from them. I still have good fun shooting walls and ceilings to kill people, or at least make them run if they are smart. forum explorer, dust prospector and eve illuminati
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 1879	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:17:00 - [5] - Quote Good niche weapon now. Needs a bigger ammo pool. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 801	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:19:00 - [6] - Quote Whoa. Nothing has been changed and now 'noobtoobs' are suddenly 'balanced'? Or even 'up'? prepare for brigading. Oh how the forums ruin this game. (FYI: I never thought or said they were easymode.) Exo-5 is really not that awesome or easy-mode without the skills. I should know. I use it at least once in ten matches! There haven't been anything aboot MD for a long time in the forums Smeehf.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 732	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:20:00 - [7] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I use Mass Drivers, in case someone didn't know, no damage mods just skill and proficiency (for the pg skill more than anything really) anyway I've been seeing an increase of complainants about the Mass Driver lately and I ask why? The Mass Drivers are hardly amazingly powerfull in the killing regard being a support weapon, and ya know....the nerffs, so the only problem I see here is damage mod stacking, but that's not what this thread is about. What's your opinion on Mass Drivers? I don't care how weak they are. it's a weapon that rewards no skill, so when I see people complaining about mass drivers being too weak I lol. some pros with with the MD can really tear things up, so I know it's not UP. if you're good with it, then props to you bro. good to see someone who is not a noob using it like a boss. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
trraacx Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 32	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:22:00 - [8] - Quote I like them. There was someone a few weeks back that must have been running a stack of damage mods. The controller would nearly jump out of my hands when he was blasting in the area. That was cool. I think I've killed myself with them more than I've gotten kills with them but they are great as a stress reliever after having died many pointless deaths.
Boot Booter Omega Elite Mercs INC. 178	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:30:00 - [9] - Quote Probably because I started tearing people up with it again. People hate it when I strip their shields with an SMG or Flux and then two shot them with a mass driver. I don't care what anyone says though, it's not easy to use. Try killing anything with a bunch of HP with it. It is however very good in some specific situations and it also makes people feel helpless and sad.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2631	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:32:00 - [10] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: Whoa. Nothing has been changed and now 'noobtoobs' are suddenly 'balanced'? Or even 'up'? prepare for brigading. Oh how the forums ruin this game. (FYI: I never thought or said they were easymode.) Exo-5 is really not that awesome or easy-mode without the skills. I should know. I use it at least once in ten matches! There haven't been anything aboot MD for a long time in the forums Since the Mass Drivers have been in the game they have had many changes, chrome saw the removal of two features and I believe a damage reduction ( don't quote me on that last bit) Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 STB-Infantry (Demolition)

Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 90	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:33:00 - [11] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: Whoa. Nothing has been changed and now 'noobtoobs' are suddenly 'balanced'? Or even 'up'? prepare for brigading. Oh how the forums ruin this game. (FYI: I never thought or said they were easymode.) Exo-5 is really not that awesome or easy-mode without the skills. I should know. I use it at least once in ten matches! There haven't been anything aboot MD for a long time in the forums Wasn't blast radius nerfed in 1.5/1.6? And the ROF glitch addressed as well? Things have changed with MD.
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 703	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:33:00 - [12] - Quote Its the only thing we have to effectively counter armor tankers. I use in cqc environments mostly. *CALDARI MASTER RACE*
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2631	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:36:00 - [13] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: I use Mass Drivers, in case someone didn't know, no damage mods just skill and proficiency (for the pg skill more than anything really) anyway I've been seeing an increase of complainants about the Mass Driver lately and I ask why? The Mass Drivers are hardly amazingly powerfull in the killing regard being a support weapon, and ya know....the nerffs, so the only problem I see here is damage mod stacking, but that's not what this thread is about. What's your opinion on Mass Drivers? I don't care how weak they are. it's a weapon that rewards no skill, so when I see people complaining about mass drivers being too weak I lol. some pros with with the MD can really tear things up, so I know it's not UP. if you're good with it, then props to you bro. good to see someone who is not a noob using it like a boss. I dislike the 'no skill' comments about th MD , it does require much skill the farther your target (ever use one at mid-long range on a moving target? ) it just doesn't require the same skill as other weapons. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Boot Booter Omega Elite Mercs INC. 178	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:38:00 - [14] - Quote Oh and another thing that people overlook; it is a versatile weapon. You can use it to blow up cars and tanks and those big gun things that randomly snipe you from halfway across the map. Took out a militia tank the other day with fluxes and a STD mass driver lol. Point being, I think it's a balanced weapon and fits it's role perfectly. Not many weapons I could say that about.
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 361	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:38:00 - [15] - Quote I still have no idea how the round gets from the mag to the barrel. Take a look at it and try to explain. Aside from that, I think they're fine. Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane Kills- Incubus: 3; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 19; Tanks: 4
Cosgar ParagonX 8266	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:40:00 - [16] - Quote Could either use more ammo or a suppression effect like thicker smoke or the blur graphic that locus grenades have when they explode. Breach needs a slight buff. Having the same RoF as the standard wouldn't seem OP since it relies on more on direct hits. Until TTK gets sorted out, I have to reserve judgement on damage and scaling. The armor buff and huge buff to hit scan weapons puts the MD at a disadvantage now, but that's a core mechanics issue. The way I see it, if people aren't crying about the MD in somewhat moderate intervals (maybe 1 topic a week) it's under performing. A terror weapon is support to make people cry. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
IceStormers Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 91	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:42:00 - [17] - Quote its about right currently, assuming the rifles come in line with all other weapons however it does need more ammo, i would like to see more ammo the higher wep you use however if its still able to have a big change i would like to see it have less dmg then offset with ammo options so i could use it to fire flux, em nades, scanning nades etc turn it into a full support weapon over a kill weapon, I Support SP Rollover Why is KB/M being ignored
Tek Hound Death In Xcess Corporation 151	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:43:00 - [18] - Quote AA>Massdriver
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 97	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:47:00 - [19] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: Whoa. Nothing has been changed and now 'noobtoobs' are suddenly 'balanced'? Or even 'up'? prepare for brigading. Oh how the forums ruin this game. (FYI: I never thought or said they were easymode.) Exo-5 is really not that awesome or easy-mode without the skills. I should know. I use it at least once in ten matches! There haven't been anything aboot MD for a long time in the forums "Noobtoobs" are dead-fire rocket launchers being used to kill infantry. We got rid of those in beta. As for MD's they are actually very good once you learn to use them and that is why no one is really complaining about them. they are not "easy" to use, but still effective. Similarly the plasmas cannon is another difficult to use weapon that is powerful in the right hands.
T'orq DUST University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:47:00 - [20] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Probably because I started tearing people up with it again. People hate it when I strip their shields with an SMG or Flux and then two shot them with a mass driver. I don't care what anyone says though, it's not easy to use. Try killing anything with a bunch of HP with it. It is however very good in some specific situations and it also makes people feel helpless and sad. I agree, I have a commando, and I run with a mass driver and assault rifle/scrambler rifle, It is very hard to kill some one that is has massive shields. And I also agree that they take skill. Those of you who doubt, try to kill a man on a building or in a dropship turret. It is not easy. I will always stand up for my mass driver

Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 56	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:48:00 - [21] - Quote If there is a noob tube in this game, than it's the Assault Rifle (and other hitscan weapons). The MD has no aim assist whatsoever. The so called skill weapons (LOL) have aim assist and hitscan. In mid distance the AA does everything for you, NO SKILL whatsoever involved period! So what where you guys talking about when you said the MD is a noob tube? BTW time to kill with a MD is pathetic at best, every blueprint Assault rifle is better as a weapon. And again, not much skill involved. That said, I'll run the MD until I quit playing this game (not yet) and if I run dry on shells, I'll hit it on your head untill you drop! Nuff Said... ps. Ammo (clip) increase would be appreciated. Cheers
Cosgar ParagonX 8266	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:57:00 - [22] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: If there is a noob tube in this game, than it's the Assault Rifle (and other hitscan weapons). The MD has no aim assist whatsoever. The so called skill weapons (LOL) have aim assist and hitscan. In mid distance the AA does everything for you, NO SKILL whatsoever involved period! So what where you guys talking about when you said the MD is a noob tube? BTW time to kill with a MD is pathetic at best, every blueprint Assault rifle is better as a weapon. And again, not much skill involved. That said, I'll run the MD until I quit playing this game (not yet) and if I run dry on shells, I'll hit it on your head untill you drop! Nuff Said... ps. Ammo (clip) increase would be appreciated. Cheers I'd rather see a damage buff instead of clip size. But all weapons need to be reevaluated now that hit detection is just about right. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Pappy Jacks Murder Ink The Umbra Combine 2	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:00:00 - [23] - Quote i totally get you, people just cry because i MIGHT get a lucky direct hit and i think thats where all the complaining comes from. personally i love as i use them for area denial, as is their purpose. PappyJacks is your lord god, bow to him and he may yet spare your life.
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 207	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:06:00 - [24] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I still have no idea how the round gets from the mag to the barrel. Take a look at it and try to explain. Aside from that, I think they're fine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milkor_MGL Something like that. Useful if you know weapon jargon.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1437	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:29:00 - [25] - Quote People complain about anything that kills them apart from an ar. The only mass driver I ever see is my own, they are not used anymore (like all weapons in dust besides ar/scr) "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
Saoa Scum Judge Mercenaries 37	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:58:00 - [26] - Quote MD is an awesome weapon, especially now when most ppl armor tank. And it requires alot of skill, tactical planning and preferably some fluxes on the side. Its the only weapon that can make a squad of players run away from you...at least for me.. :)
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 801	Posted - 2013.12.04 09:59:00 - [27] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Repe Susi wrote: Whoa. Nothing has been changed and now 'noobtoobs' are suddenly 'balanced'? Or even 'up'? prepare for brigading. Oh how the forums ruin this game. (FYI: I never thought or said they were easymode.) Exo-5 is really not that awesome or easy-mode without the skills. I should know. I use it at least once in ten matches! There haven't been anything aboot MD for a long time in the forums Since the Mass Drivers have been in the game they have had many changes, chrome saw the removal of two features and I believe a damage reduction ( don't quote me on that last bit) True. I actually meant that nothing's changed from 1.6 (obviously), but I remember the crying there was about them. Then silence, and now this. Just observations, nothing more. Smeehf.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1122	Posted - 2013.12.04 10:11:00 - [28] - Quote I think the Mass Driver is fine. It doesn't have the oomph to be OP on it's own. So anyone complaining about the mass driver is often complaining about the tactics. Some of my favorites: The flux/MD combo is too powerful, both need to be nerfed. I had a guy strip my shields then finish me with a Mass Driver, that's completely unfair. The weapon takes no skill because it has AOE So on and So forth. But truth be told, if you know what you are doing the Mass Driver CAN be incredibly powerful, especially if you have access to scan intel. It's all about getting in the position where your weapon is gonna do the most damage. More often than not, that's above a kill zone filled with un-shielded mercs. The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 183	Posted - 2013.12.04 10:28:00 - [29] - Quote don't like em, not because they are OP but because they really don't serve a good purpose. MD should be a crowd suppression support weapon. weak one on one, face to face, but from cover or as a support weapon in a squad deadly and devastating. the MD used to be AOE now its a direct fire weapon, its stupid, but well balanced its inline with every other weapon but the rifles which are stronger then everything else. tho we'll see in 1.7.
Cenex Langly 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 456	Posted - 2013.12.04 10:30:00 - [30] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I use Mass Drivers, in case someone didn't know, no damage mods just skill and proficiency (for the pg skill more than anything really) anyway I've been seeing an increase of complainants about the Mass Driver lately and I ask why? The Mass Drivers are hardly amazingly powerfull in the killing regard being a support weapon, and ya know....the nerffs, so the only problem I see here is damage mod stacking, but that's not what this thread is about. What's your opinion on Mass Drivers? My opinion is that they are completely useless in CQC, they are useless in comparison to other weapons in terms of effectiveness. They are only useful in camping objectives from high ground, but still outclassed by forge guns. They absolutely cannot compete with the AR or ScR so using them in the competitive scene is pretty much never seen. Lastly if you are thinking about training into them consider your other options first. Newb



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