1-3 depending on the tank.

I know it only takes one to kill either of my tanks.

1-3 depending on the tank.

I know it only takes one to kill either of my tanks.

1-3 depending on the tank.

I know it only takes one to kill either of my tanks.

Just for reference, RL tanks can be soloed, in any time period. Not saying it's easy or common, and I am in no way taking sides in the actual discussion. Just saying.

This message is brought to you with a deep concern in my heart. In a war tanks are the ultimate armored vehicle. You will never see in an actual war one guy with an infantry missile launcher blow up a tank all by himself.

NO, it takes at least a squad of people, sombody sets out mines to disable the treads on the tank so it can't run away, one or two people have rocket launchers to blow the tank up, and then theres probably an infantry guy with an AK or sniper in case sombody jumps out of the tank and starts shooting.

However in Dust, it only takes one forge gunner to blow up a tank, in fact in a game that relies so heavily on TEAMWORK why is it that a tank can be tanked by a single guy 1/10th of his size? People say no don't nerf my forge gun, my forge gun is perfectly balanced. Well yes, you are absolutely right anonomous forge gunner, but that is for if it is meant to be a solo figure. Which i believe it shouldn't be no matter what the current description is

Forge guns just need to be put in their place like a sniper. One enemy sniper is a nuisance to any team, a small annoyance at the back of your mind unless its a proto or officer. But 5 Snipers at different angles can leave holes through all the heads of the enemy team.

So i propose that Forge gunners stop trying to be solo hero's and should have to go find at least 2 other AV guys so they can weaken and destroy the tank. It would be like the snipers, One forge gunner unless it's proto should be a slight worry to a tanker, hell yeah it will dent you up, but only if you stand there and urge it on, it should be of no concern that One single guy in a 100k isk Proto forge gun suit should be able to make a Tanker pee himself when he see's he has gone into debt.

However i believe that this making forge guns an item that teamwork is needed for, should mandate that they get a slight price reduction

That's probably true, I tend to think of the M1 Abrams whenever I think of modern tanks. Correct me if I am wrong but not a single one has ever been destroyed (not saying I want to be invincible, just remember that being a stat from an article I read once)

Couple 155 rounds daisy chained together under a road surface says otherwise. Most tanks have very little armor on the bottom, that is why the US has stopped using them in favor of the MRAP. Really all flat bottom vehicles are a no go if the enemy is suspected of using IEDs. Weapons evolve to kill defenses and defenses evolve to counter weapons. Vicious cycle war is.

This message is brought to you with a deep concern in my heart. In a war tanks are the ultimate armored vehicle. You will never see in an actual war one guy with an infantry missile launcher blow up a tank all by himself.

NO, it takes at least a squad of people, sombody sets out mines to disable the treads on the tank so it can't run away, one or two people have rocket launchers to blow the tank up, and then theres probably an infantry guy with an AK or sniper in case sombody jumps out of the tank and starts shooting.

However in Dust, it only takes one forge gunner to blow up a tank, in fact in a game that relies so heavily on TEAMWORK why is it that a tank can be tanked by a single guy 1/10th of his size? People say no don't nerf my forge gun, my forge gun is perfectly balanced. Well yes, you are absolutely right anonomous forge gunner, but that is for if it is meant to be a solo figure. Which i believe it shouldn't be no matter what the current description is

Forge guns just need to be put in their place like a sniper. One enemy sniper is a nuisance to any team, a small annoyance at the back of your mind unless its a proto or officer. But 5 Snipers at different angles can leave holes through all the heads of the enemy team.

So i propose that Forge gunners stop trying to be solo hero's and should have to go find at least 2 other AV guys so they can weaken and destroy the tank. It would be like the snipers, One forge gunner unless it's proto should be a slight worry to a tanker, hell yeah it will dent you up, but only if you stand there and urge it on, it should be of no concern that One single guy in a 100k isk Proto forge gun suit should be able to make a Tanker pee himself when he see's he has gone into debt.

However i believe that this making forge guns an item that teamwork is needed for, should mandate that they get a slight price reduction

It depends on your definition of destroyed. For me (in any sense, not just in game) destroyed means it cannot fight. Of course a tank cannot be reduced to rubble by a single infantryman in the way that a jet is reduced to rubble by smashing into the ground.

At the same time the 4 supposed top tanks today (USA-M1 Abrams England-Challanger II, Germany-Leopard II, France-Leclair) have not faced an advanced military yet. I would imagine those 4 countries have a 1 shot kill infantry operated anti-tank system.

There are pictures on the internet of destroyed Abrams (though i'm sure most weren't soloed). It's tough to get exact info as well, seeing as how the military is tight lipped about what kills its stuff.

Also, the Abrams has a modular design, so something is always salvagable, making it harder to declare an entire tank destroyed.

1-3 depending on the tank.

I know it only takes one to kill either of my tanks.

Oh I know that. Armour is thicker on the front and sides.

MRAP? What is this new device? Will Google.

Has nobody watched my youtube link with the Javelin in it? Tanks can be one-shot by an infantryman, from 2 1/2 clicks away.

No DUST 514 HAV user wants to admit this infallible truth because it stands in defiance of their collective delusion that the only thing capable of destroying a tank is another tank.

I will say what is probably a big part of why many tanks now a days seem so untouchable (in RL) is tactics. Unless it's an all out tank vs tank battle out in the open (such as 73 Easting, the last such battle to my knowledge), you will always see heavy infantry support around tanks. To this day, a tank in a city environment, even with infantry support, does not generally have the advantage. The defender (being infantry) would theoretically have the advantage in that scenario.

I would like to see the power of tanks somewhat dictated by teamwork with infantry, but thats a lot to ask. I really don't know where the balance for Dust truely lies. Ever since the swarm buff i barely touch AV, cause almost everyone is better at it than me (absolutely 0 SP into AV. Well, I do have AV nades, but I don't run them), and the extent of my vehicle knowledge is my BPO Saga used for disposable transportation. I do think vehicles should have counter measures.

One more thing I usually forget on this topic until way later. I could honestly buy into an overall boost to how powerful tanks are when I think about the fact they still need to introduce the mech things, the apc things, and the other aircraft, one of which I would imagine would have to be a bomber.

If someone can solo a tank right now, who the **** would want to use a mech, which would have to have less shields and armor. And if we can solo a tank now with what we have, whats the point in wasting SP on something like a bomber?

Tricky stuff man.

As many as it takes to operate a tank properly.

Yea, most HAV users are too arrogent to even call themselves HAVers, preferring the term 'tanker.' We all tanks, Heavies moreso than Scouts. They drive HAVs. If the HAV boosts the single player too much with no obvious weaknesses then it will be a bane on the game. Why use suits when vehicles are just better in all areas, that sort of thing.

Indeed I mean I would use a mech but that is for stylistic flair rather than combat effectiveness.