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Saoa Scum Judge Mercenaries 37	Posted - 2013.12.03 07:43:00 - [31] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Even when TTK gets sorted out, shields are most likely going to be lacking. Here's 2 Ideas I've been musing over: Make suits work like EVE ships (with minor tweaks) Minmitar/Caldari suits = High CPU, Low PG Gallente suits = Low CPU, High PG Amarr suits = Moderately high CPU/PG Shield Modules = High CPU, Low PG Armor Modules = High PG, Low CPU CPU enhancers draw PG to add CPU Make damage mods low slot modules Add passive damage control high slot modules with 3/5/10% resistance to all damage moderatly high CPU/PG Remaining PG in a fitting adds +1% shield recharge rate per unit Remaining CPU reduces recharge delay by -1% per unit Buff shields and add a penalty -33/66/99 across the extender tiers -Add a 3/5/10% penalty to recharge/depleted delay across the tiers -Buff each suit's base shield recharge by 10 and lower recharge/depleted delay by 2/3 -Make energizers add a flat bonus to shield recharge rate by 5/10/20 with the current penalties to base shield I like this idea assuming the dmg control is restricted to just one? (just like in eve) Not sure if i like the numbers on the extenders.. 99hp seems alot especially if buffing regulation and recharge rate (yes im a shield tanker) and if TTK is fixed.. But then again adding the dmg control to highslot would be nice to balance that out +1 for me... but first add kick/dispersion before any kind of balance should be made ( think i write this in every thread now :P )
Cosgar ParagonX 8251	Posted - 2013.12.03 08:09:00 - [32] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cosgar wrote: Even when TTK gets sorted out, shields are most likely going to be lacking. Here's 2 Ideas I've been musing over: Make suits work like EVE ships (with minor tweaks) Minmitar/Caldari suits = High CPU, Low PG Gallente suits = Low CPU, High PG Amarr suits = Moderately high CPU/PG Shield Modules = High CPU, Low PG Armor Modules = High PG, Low CPU CPU enhancers draw PG to add CPU Make damage mods low slot modules Add passive damage control high slot modules with 3/5/10% resistance to all damage moderatly high CPU/PG Remaining PG in a fitting adds +1% shield recharge rate per unit Remaining CPU reduces recharge delay by -1% per unit Buff shields and add a penalty -33/66/99 across the extender tiers -Add a 3/5/10% penalty to recharge/depleted delay across the tiers -Buff each suit's base shield recharge by 10 and lower recharge/depleted delay by 2/3 -Make energizers add a flat bonus to shield recharge rate by 5/10/20 with the current penalties to base shield This is such a massive buff to shields I don't really know what to say. It's two possible changes we could do. One is a massive rework while the other is minor adjustments both with the idea to reinforce the advantage shields should have over armor. I think I'm liking the idea of buffing shields and adding a penalty since it would make sense to do so while deterring brick tanking as the only viable meta, but the rework makes as much sense too when you think of how out of place stats and modules are. Saoa Scum wrote: I like this idea assuming the dmg control is restricted to just one? (just like in eve) Not sure if i like the numbers on the extenders.. 99hp seems alot especially if buffing regulation and recharge rate (yes im a shield tanker) and if TTK is fixed.. But then again adding the dmg control to highslot would be nice to balance that out +1 for me... but first add kick/dispersion before any kind of balance should be made ( think i write this in every thread now :P ) The idea is that shield's can't get a good enough buffer to make using recharge/regulation modules worthwhile. Most of this is a TTK issue when you look a base shield delay/depletion numbers which are still horrendous if 1.0 Uprising didn't have the aiming and hit detection issues. The reality is that both shields and armor have always been bad, but armor just made shields look better by comparison. A lot of issues need to be addressed like damage profiles and maybe reworking the new range system. For example, I'd rather see rails and kinetics have the current range system with damage falloff while plasma and EM have the 1.0 range hard cap, but the ability to deal consistent damage at all ranges. Simple changes like that could go a long way in making a more balanced environment since weapon tiers dictate raw DPS and range over other perks. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1238	Posted - 2013.12.03 08:12:00 - [33] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Maybe back when armor was garbage, it made sense, but now a basic armor plate is more protective than a basic extender. The tradeoff is passive shield regen. With this in mind, their costs need to be equalized because its putting MN and CA at a disadvantage. And thats how it works in Eve....Shields -> PVE, Armor -> PVP, but the moment armor gets 20hp reps a second for free and no weight penalties then maybe we can talk about it, right now complex Armor plates are still too much penalty to use and the Ferro plates hardly provide more EHP but cost more PG to fit then a shield, witch makes no sense at all, except for balanace reasonings. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4274	Posted - 2013.12.03 10:54:00 - [34] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Even when TTK gets sorted out, shields are most likely going to be lacking. Here's 2 Ideas I've been musing over: Make suits work like EVE ships (with minor tweaks) Minmitar/Caldari suits = High CPU, Low PG Gallente suits = Low CPU, High PG Amarr suits = Moderately high CPU/PG Shield Modules = High CPU, Low PG Armor Modules = High PG, Low CPU CPU enhancers draw PG to add CPU Make damage mods low slot modules Add passive damage control high slot modules with 3/5/10% resistance to all damage moderatly high CPU/PG Remaining PG in a fitting adds +1% shield recharge rate per unit Remaining CPU reduces recharge delay by -1% per unit Buff shields and add a penalty -33/66/99 across the extender tiers -Add a 3/5/10% penalty to recharge/depleted delay across the tiers -Buff each suit's base shield recharge by 10 and lower recharge/depleted delay by 2/3 -Make energizers add a flat bonus to shield recharge rate by 5/10/20 with the current penalties to base shield Cosgar. PLEASE stop posting that HORRIBLE suggestion. 99 hp on complex plates = Caldari assaults with 750 shields. That's more than any of my Gallente assaults can get with armor, wtf. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 180	Posted - 2013.12.03 11:02:00 - [35] - Quote sheilds are fine play them right.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1833	Posted - 2013.12.03 16:27:00 - [36] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Cosgar wrote: Even when TTK gets sorted out, shields are most likely going to be lacking. Here's 2 Ideas I've been musing over: Make suits work like EVE ships (with minor tweaks) Minmitar/Caldari suits = High CPU, Low PG Gallente suits = Low CPU, High PG Amarr suits = Moderately high CPU/PG Shield Modules = High CPU, Low PG Armor Modules = High PG, Low CPU CPU enhancers draw PG to add CPU Make damage mods low slot modules Add passive damage control high slot modules with 3/5/10% resistance to all damage moderatly high CPU/PG Remaining PG in a fitting adds +1% shield recharge rate per unit Remaining CPU reduces recharge delay by -1% per unit Buff shields and add a penalty -33/66/99 across the extender tiers -Add a 3/5/10% penalty to recharge/depleted delay across the tiers -Buff each suit's base shield recharge by 10 and lower recharge/depleted delay by 2/3 -Make energizers add a flat bonus to shield recharge rate by 5/10/20 with the current penalties to base shield Cosgar. PLEASE stop posting that HORRIBLE suggestion. 99 hp on complex plates = Caldari assaults with 750 shields. That's more than any of my Gallente assaults can get with armor, wtf. 109x4=436+260=696 with maxed skills still a gal can get arond 850 if they sacrifice reps even with 1 rep they get 700 Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4288	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:06:00 - [37] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Cosgar wrote: Even when TTK gets sorted out, shields are most likely going to be lacking. Here's 2 Ideas I've been musing over: Make suits work like EVE ships (with minor tweaks) Minmitar/Caldari suits = High CPU, Low PG Gallente suits = Low CPU, High PG Amarr suits = Moderately high CPU/PG Shield Modules = High CPU, Low PG Armor Modules = High PG, Low CPU CPU enhancers draw PG to add CPU Make damage mods low slot modules Add passive damage control high slot modules with 3/5/10% resistance to all damage moderatly high CPU/PG Remaining PG in a fitting adds +1% shield recharge rate per unit Remaining CPU reduces recharge delay by -1% per unit Buff shields and add a penalty -33/66/99 across the extender tiers -Add a 3/5/10% penalty to recharge/depleted delay across the tiers -Buff each suit's base shield recharge by 10 and lower recharge/depleted delay by 2/3 -Make energizers add a flat bonus to shield recharge rate by 5/10/20 with the current penalties to base shield Cosgar. PLEASE stop posting that HORRIBLE suggestion. 99 hp on complex plates = Caldari assaults with 750 shields. That's more than any of my Gallente assaults can get with armor, wtf. 109x4=436+260=696 with maxed skills still a gal can get arond 850 if they sacrifice reps even with 1 rep they get 700 IF sacrificing reps, and IF they use a **** suit with no equipment, standard weapons and **** stuff in high slots. A Caldari Assault at level V has a shield recharge rate of 31hp/s. Also, your math is slightly wrong, it's 700 HP. So basically, a Caldari Assault would get comparable HP, no speed penalty, and HUGELY more reps? Are you joking? Also, no one uses Complex plates on Gallente assaults, they're too expensive CPU/PG wise, and unlike Caldari we can't use CPU/PG extenders. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cosgar ParagonX 8266	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:10:00 - [38] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Cosgar wrote: Even when TTK gets sorted out, shields are most likely going to be lacking. Here's 2 Ideas I've been musing over: Make suits work like EVE ships (with minor tweaks) Minmitar/Caldari suits = High CPU, Low PG Gallente suits = Low CPU, High PG Amarr suits = Moderately high CPU/PG Shield Modules = High CPU, Low PG Armor Modules = High PG, Low CPU CPU enhancers draw PG to add CPU Make damage mods low slot modules Add passive damage control high slot modules with 3/5/10% resistance to all damage moderatly high CPU/PG Remaining PG in a fitting adds +1% shield recharge rate per unit Remaining CPU reduces recharge delay by -1% per unit Buff shields and add a penalty -33/66/99 across the extender tiers -Add a 3/5/10% penalty to recharge/depleted delay across the tiers -Buff each suit's base shield recharge by 10 and lower recharge/depleted delay by 2/3 -Make energizers add a flat bonus to shield recharge rate by 5/10/20 with the current penalties to base shield Cosgar. PLEASE stop posting that HORRIBLE suggestion. 99 hp on complex plates = Caldari assaults with 750 shields. That's more than any of my Gallente assaults can get with armor, wtf. Again, flux grenades. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1833	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:16:00 - [39] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Cosgar wrote: Even when TTK gets sorted out, shields are most likely going to be lacking. Here's 2 Ideas I've been musing over: Make suits work like EVE ships (with minor tweaks) Minmitar/Caldari suits = High CPU, Low PG Gallente suits = Low CPU, High PG Amarr suits = Moderately high CPU/PG Shield Modules = High CPU, Low PG Armor Modules = High PG, Low CPU CPU enhancers draw PG to add CPU Make damage mods low slot modules Add passive damage control high slot modules with 3/5/10% resistance to all damage moderatly high CPU/PG Remaining PG in a fitting adds +1% shield recharge rate per unit Remaining CPU reduces recharge delay by -1% per unit Buff shields and add a penalty -33/66/99 across the extender tiers -Add a 3/5/10% penalty to recharge/depleted delay across the tiers -Buff each suit's base shield recharge by 10 and lower recharge/depleted delay by 2/3 -Make energizers add a flat bonus to shield recharge rate by 5/10/20 with the current penalties to base shield Cosgar. PLEASE stop posting that HORRIBLE suggestion. 99 hp on complex plates = Caldari assaults with 750 shields. That's more than any of my Gallente assaults can get with armor, wtf. 109x4=436+260=696 with maxed skills still a gal can get arond 850 if they sacrifice reps even with 1 rep they get 700 IF sacrificing reps, and IF they use a **** suit with no equipment, standard weapons and **** stuff in high slots. A Caldari Assault at level V has a shield recharge rate of 31hp/s. Also, your math is slightly wrong, it's 700 HP. So basically, a Caldari Assault would get comparable HP, no speed penalty, and HUGELY more reps? Are you joking? Also, no one uses Complex plates on Gallente assaults, they're too expensive CPU/PG wise, and unlike Caldari we can't use CPU/PG extenders. Why not buff the Gal Assault then? the suit needs some serious help. Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1701	Posted - 2013.12.03 17:25:00 - [40] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Maybe back when armor was garbage, it made sense, but now a basic armor plate is more protective than a complex extender. The tradeoff is passive shield regen. With this in mind, their costs need to be equalized because its putting MN and CA at a disadvantage. Yeah, I could see a moderate buff. Basic extender- 33 Enhanced-66 Complex-99 Still quite weak compared to the plates, but now worth a bit more at lower levels, and with better scaling. Edit- The numbers are of course adjustable. Refunding a few AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore



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