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Mike Ox Bigger Skill Shots 28	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:52:00 - [1] - Quote A lot of people want them, why not strum up some more money CCP? I already dropped money for an elite pack, merc pack, and even one of those crappy tank packs. I'll gladly spend a few more dollars to make use of the few million sp I've wasted over the time. Who's with me?
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 111	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:55:00 - [2] - Quote paid respecs have the horrid potential to unbalance the game and people will likely complain over the price.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 1084	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:55:00 - [3] - Quote A lot of people(myself included) would pay a lot for Prototype BPOs as well. That doesn't make it a good idea. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Level 1 Forum Warrior The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5485	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:56:00 - [4] - Quote I would pay CCP money to lock these threads. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 533	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:58:00 - [5] - Quote Welcome to the Dust 514 forums. We encourage your participation, and would like you to know that there is a search function which would help you find the 3 other threads in just the past week on this topic. Please consider using this valuable tool in the future. In response to your current query: The answer is no. Thank you for visiting the Dust 514 forums. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5487	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:00:00 - [6] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Welcome to the Dust 514 forums. We encourage your participation, and would like you to know that there is a search function which would help you find the 3 other threads in just the past week on this topic. Please consider using this valuable tool in the future. In response to your current query: The answer is no. Thank you for visiting the Dust 514 forums. And that's just for the past week alone. Since closed beta last year, we have had thousands of these threads that no one should have any problem finding them in the search function. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Mike Ox Bigger Skill Shots 28	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:02:00 - [7] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: paid respecs have the horrid potential to unbalance the game and people will likely complain over the price. I don't see how it unbalances the game. Explain on that a little and people can ***** about the price but if they want it they'll still buy it. It's a free game people spend some money and help them out.
Mike Ox Bigger Skill Shots 28	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:04:00 - [8] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Welcome to the Dust 514 forums. We encourage your participation, and would like you to know that there is a search function which would help you find the 3 other threads in just the past week on this topic. Please consider using this valuable tool in the future. In response to your current query: The answer is no. Thank you for visiting the Dust 514 forums. Yeah the forums are way more popular then the game apparently. As one post sits on the first page for about two seconds if it has no activity. And yeah I'm not searching for anything. **** it make this a petition. Signed.
Cosgar ParagonX 8199	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:04:00 - [9] - Quote So you essentially want to pay for something you're eventually going to get for free anyway without any garuntee of stability in a game that relies on a progressive development cycle that favors sweeping changes to core mechanics almost overnight? If that's the case, I have a bridge to sell you. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Mike Ox Bigger Skill Shots 28	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:06:00 - [10] - Quote Cosgar wrote: So you essentially want to pay for something you're eventually going to get for free anyway without any garuntee of stability in a game that relies on a progressive development cycle that favors sweeping changes to core mechanics almost overnight? If that's the case, I have a bridge to sell you. Yeah, my blue prints were the main reason I bought the Elite pack and those are gone. The game constantly changes we should be allowed to constantly change.

Kane Fyea 2300	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:10:00 - [11] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: paid respecs have the horrid potential to unbalance the game and people will likely complain over the price. I don't see how it unbalances the game. Explain on that a little and people can ***** about the price but if they want it they'll still buy it. It's a free game people spend some money and help them out. It makes the game P2W.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5491	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:13:00 - [12] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: Cosgar wrote: So you essentially want to pay for something you're eventually going to get for free anyway without any garuntee of stability in a game that relies on a progressive development cycle that favors sweeping changes to core mechanics almost overnight? If that's the case, I have a bridge to sell you. Yeah, my blue prints were the main reason I bought the Elite pack and those are gone. The game constantly changes we should be allowed to constantly change. Eve Online, the game we are now directly connected to, has been around for 10 years straight and had had only one respec in it's entire lifetime. There is no respec system in Eve Online (no, the neural remap is not a respec). Many players in Eve Online have always demanded CCP to give them paid respecs but CCP ignored them (thankfully). Also, if you're too lazy to use the search function then I can see many trolls coming to this thread. PS: Eve Online has had constant changes to its skill tree, ships, modules, weapons, etc. Still does. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Mike Ox Bigger Skill Shots 28	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:13:00 - [13] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: It makes the game P2W. It's already considered pay to win as you can pay money to unlock gear you don't have access to. Again I don't see how this unbalances the game.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5491	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:15:00 - [14] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: It makes the game P2W. It's already considered pay to win as you can pay money to unlock gear you don't have access to. Again I don't see how this unbalances the game. The AUR gear you're referencing is just early-access gear that can easily be matched by their ISK equivalents. On top of that, they become pointless to have once you have trained up to their ISK equivalents. No pay-to-win there. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Ripley Riley 85	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:18:00 - [15] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: Who's with me? You want paid respecs? Okay, I'll give you paid respecs. Banned Neural Defrag Unit First off, $25 worth of AUR for one of these puppies. Not negotiable. You want to spec into the FotM then you need to pay out the nose. Next, 10% SP penalty. Completely rewiring your memories hurts. A lot. The penalty increases by 10% for each paid respec you have bought in the last 60 days. Lastly, you take a 50% penalty to passive and active SP gains for the next 60 days. Nueral defrag units are banned for a reason. Until your brain figures out how to poop and talk out of the proper holes again you are not going to learn advanced combat techniques at any appreciable rate. If you are okay with the both requirements, sure, you can have your respecs. No paid respecs without massive SP penalties.
Mike Ox Bigger Skill Shots 30	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:20:00 - [16] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Eve Online, the game we are now directly connected to, has been around for 10 years straight and had had only one respec in it's entire lifetime. There is no respec system in Eve Online (no, the neural remap is not a respec). Many players in Eve Online have always demanded CCP to give them paid respecs but CCP ignored them (thankfully). Also, if you're too lazy to use the search function then I can see many trolls coming to this thread. PS: Eve Online has had constant changes to its skill tree, ships, modules, weapons, etc. Still does. Most the people on the forums are trolls with smart ass comments so I don't really care about that. I just get on here every now and then and voice my opinion. I think this is a good idea as it generates money for CCP and would make a lot of people happy. They've hinted in the past if it got enough support on the forums it could be a possibility.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4832	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:21:00 - [17] - Quote Feel free to monetize the game when it's worth monetizing. Never forget How to fix the Logi
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5491	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:21:00 - [18] - Quote Did you know that if you maximize your core skills such as Dropsuit Electronics, Dropsuit Engineering, Dropsuit Upgrades, etc, then you can turn a seemingly weak looking Militia fit into a full killing machine especially once you have learned to build up your experience with it? Just ask the veterans here. I have seen plenty of Militia mercs wrecking Protos. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 112	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:21:00 - [19] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: It makes the game P2W. It's already considered pay to win as you can pay money to unlock gear you don't have access to. Again I don't see how this unbalances the game. Pay to win implies that either the items you can buy with real money are much, much better than the ingame currency varients or it takes so long to get the ingame currency variants that paying for them in order to win is the preferred method of managing it. Dust is not pay to win. Paid respecs would allow people to chase the flavor of the month 'overpowered' things... all the time. You'd see even more gallogi's with duvolles and 3+ damage mods... if lasers became 'overpowered' you'd find everyone using them, and ultimately paid respecs undermine the games idea that 'Choices have consequences'. You should not be counting on a respec to get out of poor choices, rather than simply not making those poor choices in the first place.
DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 229	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:22:00 - [20] - Quote noone can come up with a proper argument to how respecs will unbalance the game. I see 2 pro being people will stop complaining and join the fotm crowd and it will help pay for keeping this piece of crap that is called an mmofps afloat for a little while longer

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1537	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:22:00 - [21] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: It makes the game P2W. It's already considered pay to win as you can pay money to unlock gear you don't have access to. Again I don't see how this unbalances the game. Yes, but there are no items (besides boosters) that you can currently get in-game with AUR that you can't get by paying ISK. And the AUR gear only allows you to use STD gear, which anyone can invest into with about 3 matches worth of SP; or gear of a higher tier, which is only serving as an early access pass or a way to save ISK. This game is pay to get ahead, but it is not p2w. Anything besides boosters that you buy with AUR can be payed for in ISK with an amount of time investment and SP. Plus, I'd rather just use imaginary space currency than my own real life wallet to restock my fittings. (Unless you live in Iceland. ISK there is the "real deal") My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 240	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:23:00 - [22] - Quote Why dont we also have prototype blueprints and a growing interest rate for the super rich corporations? Sarcasm aside..no. Then the game really would be pay to win
Mike Ox Bigger Skill Shots 30	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:24:00 - [23] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: You want paid respecs? Okay, I'll give you paid respecs. Banned Neural Defrag Unit First off, $25 worth of AUR for one of these puppies. Not negotiable. You want to spec into the FotM then you need to pay out the nose. Next, 10% SP penalty. Completely rewiring your memories hurts. A lot. The penalty increase by 10% for each paid respec you have bought in the last 60 days. Lastly, you take a 50% penalty to passive and active SP gains for the next 60 days. Nueral defrag units are banned for a reason. Until your brain figures out how to poop and talk out of the proper holes again you are not going to learn advanced combat techniques at any appreciable rate. If you are okay with the both requirements, sure, you can have your respecs. Some of that would be acceptable drop the price a little. The problem with respecs if everyone thinks it's abot with FOTM **. It's not with me I already have all that (proto logi, proto AR, proto SCR) I just want to get rid of the ** I don't use that I skilled into at the start of the game when I had no clue what I was doing. Seriously I was all over the place on the skill trees. If the game was alittle more balanced people couldn't scream FOTM anymore.
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 88	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:24:00 - [24] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: A lot of people want them, why not strum up some more money CCP? I already dropped money for an elite pack, merc pack, and even one of those crappy tank packs. I'll gladly spend a few more dollars to make use of the few million sp I've wasted over the time. Who's with me? I started this thread to discuss the real potential for doing this quite some time ago: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118583&find=unread Please read it and add to it.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5491	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:26:00 - [25] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Eve Online, the game we are now directly connected to, has been around for 10 years straight and had had only one respec in it's entire lifetime. There is no respec system in Eve Online (no, the neural remap is not a respec). Many players in Eve Online have always demanded CCP to give them paid respecs but CCP ignored them (thankfully). Also, if you're too lazy to use the search function then I can see many trolls coming to this thread. PS: Eve Online has had constant changes to its skill tree, ships, modules, weapons, etc. Still does. Most the people on the forums are trolls with smart ass comments so I don't really care about that. I just get on here every now and then and voice my opinion. I think this is a good idea as it generates money for CCP and would make a lot of people happy. They've hinted in the past if it got enough support on the forums it could be a possibility. YOU think it's a good idea. I don't think like you. Therefore you and I have no other choice but to agree to disagree. This will just open up problems especially with the incoming secondary market that will implemented once Factional Warfare has been overhauled which is at around the release of 1.8 or 1.9. Monetized respecs will just create too much shock in the secondary market where players are the ones who will have all the power to decide what price to set for buying and selling. And as I a player who looks forward to one day be Margin Trading in Dust, I don't like this at all. Why you are correct to assume that CCP has hinted about it in the past if enough support is shown, you have to remember that CCP has to account for those who don't support it. In the two years that I have been playing this game, the battle between Pro-Respec and Anti-Respec players has been at a stalemate. Still does to this day. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Ripley Riley 85	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:27:00 - [26] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: Some of that would be acceptable drop the price a little. The problem with respecs if everyone thinks it's abot with FOTM **. It's not with me I already have all that (proto logi, proto AR, proto SCR) I just want to get rid of the ** I don't use that I skilled into at the start of the game when I had no clue what I was doing. Seriously I was all over the place on the skill trees. If the game was alittle more balanced people couldn't scream FOTM anymore. If you are okay with what the requirements then I didn't make them high enough. People need to read the requirements for a respec and think, "F that right in the A." That's the point. I revise what I said earlier: $30 in AUR, 20% SP penalty, 50% active and passive SP gains for 90 days. Let me know when this starts sounding unattractive. That's when I know we've hit the sweet spot. No paid respecs without massive SP penalties.
Mike Ox Bigger Skill Shots 30	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:35:00 - [27] - Quote Atiim wrote: Yes, but there are no items (besides boosters) that you can currently get in-game with AUR that you can't get by paying ISK. And the AUR gear only allows you to use STD gear, which anyone can invest into with about 3 matches worth of SP; or gear of a higher tier, which is only serving as an early access pass or a way to save ISK. This game is pay to get ahead, but it is not p2w. Anything besides boosters that you buy with AUR can be payed for in ISK with an amount of time investment and SP. Plus, I'd rather just use imaginary space currency than my own real life wallet to restock my fittings. (Unless you live in Iceland. ISK there is the "real deal") LOL you just described the exact essence of pay to win. You pay to get ahead. Don't have that level yet? With real money you can! I have 16 mil sp I know a little about the game, it's pay to win. You can sugar coat it all you want.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2412	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:36:00 - [28] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: A lot of people want them, why not strum up some more money CCP? I already dropped money for an elite pack, merc pack, and even one of those crappy tank packs. I'll gladly spend a few more dollars to make use of the few million sp I've wasted over the time. Who's with me? It's an oooold topic. The concensus seems to be that at the very least, it should be expensive and incur a delay of several months after use. I'd approve of somewhere upwards of 50,000 aurum, with a cooldown on using another one lasting 6months. No.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5491	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:38:00 - [29] - Quote DoomLead wrote: noone can come up with a proper argument to how respecs will unbalance the game. I see 2 pro being people will stop complaining and join the fotm crowd and it will help pay for keeping this piece of crap that is called an mmofps afloat for a little while longer I can give you one proper argument on how respecs will unbalance the game. METRICS CCP relies on the constant stream of data to determine which weapons to balance out with either a buff or a nerf. We have already seen first hand what happens when too many people spec into one thing. Heavies come to mind and those heavy players who have been here since closed beta will confirm it for you. Back then heavies reigned supreme and thus almost everyone specced into them. As a result, after so much QQ in the forums about it, the heavies got nerfed... big time. So much nerfed that they became useless for almost an entire year until early last month. Laser Rifles became the next victim and even the tanks. Now the ARs are in the cross hairs and the Logibros are raging over the possible removal of the light weapon slot because people kept complaining that too many logis are acting like assaults. As you can see, when too many people spec into one thing, it can skew the data for CCP to rely on. Paid Respecs will just add to the problem when almost everyone pays their way into speccing into the next flavor of the month. Seemingly "ok" weapons become seemingly "OP" and seeming "UP" weapons get "overbuffed" instead while the seemingly "OP" weapons get "overnerfed". This will just further hinder CCP's ability to properly see which weapon is actually OP and which ones are actually balanced. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5492	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:41:00 - [30] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: Atiim wrote: Yes, but there are no items (besides boosters) that you can currently get in-game with AUR that you can't get by paying ISK. And the AUR gear only allows you to use STD gear, which anyone can invest into with about 3 matches worth of SP; or gear of a higher tier, which is only serving as an early access pass or a way to save ISK. This game is pay to get ahead, but it is not p2w. Anything besides boosters that you buy with AUR can be payed for in ISK with an amount of time investment and SP. Plus, I'd rather just use imaginary space currency than my own real life wallet to restock my fittings. (Unless you live in Iceland. ISK there is the "real deal") LOL you just described the exact essence of pay to win. You pay to get ahead. Don't have that level yet? With real money you can! I have 16 mil sp I know a little about the game, it's pay to win. You can sugar coat it all you want. I'm not sure if Atiim described it well, but I can say this... Militia suits in the hands of skilled veterans will wreck Proto AUR suits any day. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.



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