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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.01 18:11:00 -
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Is being a douche again
Why is this guy our CPM. This is no community representative that I want. He simply shuts out idea and people he does not like or can understand. And actually goes around calling people out on them, all the while insulting.
The hell man, should I expect better of a CPM?
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.01 18:14:00 -
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He is actually a very nice guy and he offers really good suggestions for the gane that make a lot of sense but I honestly don't feel he represents the community. It's more like he is a PR person on CCP's payroll.
Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Critical-Impact
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Posted - 2013.12.01 18:16:00 -
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I like him, that's f*cking funny.
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itsmellslikefish
DIOS EX.
Top Men.
715
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Posted - 2013.12.01 18:16:00 -
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I think he's a good cpm.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2013.12.01 18:16:00 -
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Quote:I just want to avoid the free candy addiction syndrome for the time being. Maybe when all the suits come out a free respec then. Id be pretty upset if we have a respec a month.
The man is entitled to his opinion, I don't see how you can be so worked up over this.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
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Posted - 2013.12.01 18:22:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Is being a douche againWhy is this guy our CPM. This is no community representative that I want. He simply shuts out idea and people he does not like or can understand. And actually goes around calling people out on them, all the while insulting. The hell man, should I expect better of a CPM?
Someone disagreeing with you doesn't make them a douche. Vehicle users are getting a *partial* respect allowing them to skill out of vehicles if they like (only a few will), people who have no investment in the tree aren't getting one because they aren't affected. I doubt your 400ksp will get you in a worthwhile tank to 'av with'. Maybe it should be a full respect, maybe there will be one when the rest of the racial dropsuits come out, but don't hold out for it.
As far as swarmlaunchers go, their power will *finally* be somewhat appropriate to their ease of use. If you want an av weapon to be as strong as they were before it should have a higher skill barrier, not merely 'center something in the screen for a second and let go of a trigger to get free kills'. |
Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
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Posted - 2013.12.01 18:24:00 -
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Yeah he said nothing insulting in the post I see for him.
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daishi mk03
BLACK-GUARD
Die Fremdenlegion
442
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Posted - 2013.12.01 18:28:00 -
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IWS gets harrassed by Takahiro every thread, because Takahiro has skilled into useless heavy and is mad and is a Minmatar spie. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.01 18:29:00 -
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Nothing wrong with that post - it's just you disagree.
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M McManus
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
291
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Posted - 2013.12.01 18:32:00 -
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Ivy Zalinto wrote:Yeah he said nothing insulting in the post I see for him.
Not to mention CCP doesn't care what the players think (hence the multiple issues that have plagued us since uprising and CCP just continues to add content.. ) from what I've read neither do they care what the CPM thinks Ironwolf just seems to try really hard to impress CCP because he wants a real job... |
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Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
346
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Posted - 2013.12.01 18:34:00 -
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If I understand things correctly, he is just a voice box for the people really in charge. He may suggest things from time to time, but the real power is high above him.
Yes, the president of the United States is pretty much a figure head.
Anyway, I like IWS, and just like real life, the other guy is usually 50 times worse. I like IWS, and I wouldn't mind seeing him stay CPM.
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
1230
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Posted - 2013.12.01 18:36:00 -
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Um.. how is he being a douche in that thread again?
*they probably think CPM should be "YES" men to the players*
CPM should be "YES" man to neither players or CCP. Why if I was in the jedi council...
*anakin skywalker all over again...*
shut up. I'll "NO" man to everything. what's that? NO. You players feel what? NO. Hey.. CCP here's my 2 cent for that idea... NO. |
jenza aranda
BetaMax.
2287
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Posted - 2013.12.01 18:45:00 -
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Someone should finally make a hate thread about nova and caz! those two are feeling left out!
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daishi mk03
BLACK-GUARD
Die Fremdenlegion
443
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Posted - 2013.12.01 18:47:00 -
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jenza best cpm
To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin.
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True Adamance
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4463
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Posted - 2013.12.01 18:50:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Is being a douche againWhy is this guy our CPM. This is no community representative that I want. He simply shuts out idea and people he does not like or can understand. And actually goes around calling people out on them, all the while insulting. The hell man, should I expect better of a CPM?
Nah IWS basically had as currently has done more for this community than all of smart arse forum trolls you are likely to list as CPM reps.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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commando biffle
Shadow Company HQ
10
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Posted - 2013.12.01 18:51:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:Someone should finally make a hate thread about nova and caz! those two are feeling left out!
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knight of 6
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
742
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Posted - 2013.12.01 19:21:00 -
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 I don't get it, why is that mean? or wrong? why is it anything but right?
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout, tanker.
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
247
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Posted - 2013.12.01 19:58:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Is being a douche againWhy is this guy our CPM. This is no community representative that I want. He simply shuts out idea and people he does not like or can understand. And actually goes around calling people out on them, all the while insulting. The hell man, should I expect better of a CPM? Nah IWS basically had as currently has done more for this community than all of smart arse forum trolls you are likely to list as CPM reps.
It is true, IWS has been to most active CPM. I don't even know who these other CPM are.
Still yet, the dude has a way of pissing people off. It does not seem right to me, that a Community representative should be treating parts of the community as he does. It's like when people were crying about losing their BPO's. People don't feel Aur compensates.
How does IWS respond, by calling them all idiots. True people were not just coming out and saying that, it was all about sue this sue that. People were upset, and how does the CPM respond, you're stupid.
Yes, I do question whether this man is open minded enough to fully convey our thoughts to CCP. Or to interpret those thoughts much less.
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
1075
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Posted - 2013.12.01 20:01:00 -
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He's a nice guy. He says s00n a bit too much, as well as being an NDA signer look at me attention ho. But I think he's intelligent, and it would be nice to run into him in game more. I never see the guy.
#shittycoding
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
247
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Posted - 2013.12.01 20:01:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:Um.. how is he being a douche in that thread again?
*they probably think CPM should be "YES" men to the players*
CPM should be "YES" man to neither players or CCP. Why if I was in the jedi council...
*anakin skywalker all over again...*
shut up. I'll "NO" man to everything. what's that? NO. You players feel what? NO. Hey.. CCP here's my 2 cent for that idea... NO.
By invalidating a good point that was on topic with the OP's discussion. And he did so by saying it derailed and ruined the conversation.
????
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.12.01 20:02:00 -
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With as much work IWS does for this community he should at the very least be considered for a community manager position. You're only butthurt because he doesn't agree with you.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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negative49er
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
359
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Posted - 2013.12.01 20:03:00 -
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Well at least he the only CPM that we see most of the time
I'm talking to you Nova Knifes
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
247
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Posted - 2013.12.01 20:03:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:IWS gets harrassed by Takahiro every thread, because Takahiro has skilled into useless heavy and is mad and is a Minmatar spie.
Lol, this may be true, still yet, his point was on subject.
It does seem like these 2 have a history huh lol
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Kane Fyea
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Posted - 2013.12.01 20:08:00 -
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Please tell me why IWS is not allowed to express his opinions. He may be a CPM but that does not exclude him from expressing his opinion as a player. Also he may be a troll sometimes but CCP are trolls too. Hell even some of the CSM are trolls. |
Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
249
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Posted - 2013.12.01 20:12:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:With as much work IWS does for this community he should at the very least be considered for a community manager position. You're only butthurt because he doesn't agree with you.
Lol, never my friend. Plenty of people out there that don't agree with me. But just here recently, I've seen IWS make some rather stupid comments recently. That's what has got me so butthurt!
I will agree, IWS has worked with the community the most. His is the only name I really recognize. Though his people skills could certainly use some work, and it would help if he would step off his high horse and join the rest of us.
Community manager? No. There are better people out there for that position.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1387
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Posted - 2013.12.01 20:12:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Is being a douche againWhy is this guy our CPM. This is no community representative that I want. He simply shuts out idea and people he does not like or can understand. And actually goes around calling people out on them, all the while insulting. The hell man, should I expect better of a CPM?
I beat him up in a game. I went 15-13, he went 2-7. I was using all BPO, he was using ADV ISK gear.
The only time he killed me was a shotgun from behind. All my kills, I had on him while he knew I was engaging him. I was responsible for 3-4 of his deaths.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
249
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Posted - 2013.12.01 20:13:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Please tell me why IWS is not allowed to express his opinions. He may be a CPM but that does not exclude him from expressing his opinion as a player. Also he may be a troll sometimes but CCP are trolls too. Even some of the CSM are trolls.
I never said he couldn't. It's the way he goes about it. Insulting those with differing opinions than your own is not the way to go about it.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
531
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Posted - 2013.12.01 20:22:00 -
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Just because he doesn't agree with the OP? That's a bit of a leap. I for one thought his comments were totally on subject. Perhaps a bit snarky but jesus christ this respec QQ is getting on everyones nerves. Can you at least wait for the damn 1.7 patch notes for crying out loud?
He could have said this: You want a respec now, sure, have it. But be careful what you ask for, if all the racial suits come out in 1.8 then too f-ing bad, you are SOL because you couldn't wait and you can't get another that quick. Do you still want one now?
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
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R F Gyro
Clones 4u
711
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Posted - 2013.12.01 21:39:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Please tell me why IWS is not allowed to express his opinions. He may be a CPM but that does not exclude him from expressing his opinion as a player. Also he may be a troll sometimes but CCP are trolls too. Even some of the CSM are trolls. I never said he couldn't. It's the way he goes about it. Insulting those with differing opinions than your own is not the way to go about it.
The only people I see IWS insulting are people acting like d*cks; trolling, flaming, raging, etc. I have never seen him insult someone who was posting a well articulated opinion in a calm, reasonable manner, even when he has obviously disagreed with that opinion.
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
250
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Posted - 2013.12.01 21:42:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Please tell me why IWS is not allowed to express his opinions. He may be a CPM but that does not exclude him from expressing his opinion as a player. Also he may be a troll sometimes but CCP are trolls too. Even some of the CSM are trolls. I never said he couldn't. It's the way he goes about it. Insulting those with differing opinions than your own is not the way to go about it. The only people I see IWS insulting are people acting like d*cks; trolling, flaming, raging, etc. I have never seen him insult someone who was posting a well articulated opinion in a calm, reasonable manner, even when he has obviously disagreed with that opinion.
So he has to stoop to their level, to deal with them. Sounds childish to me.
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
1810
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Posted - 2013.12.01 21:53:00 -
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I love anti-CPM threads; it's like people hating on the current president/prime-minister - it's pointless because they're there for their full term and you won't be getting rid of them until that time is up (with the very rare occasions of massive misconduct exceptions). You're stuck with these guys until CCP decides otherwise, so quit b*tching about them. If and when there are elections, then is the time to voice your displeasure about them. Now, you are just wasting forum space on all this nonsense.
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Necandi Brasil
DUST BRASIL S.A
Covert Intervention
510
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Posted - 2013.12.01 21:55:00 -
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Our CPM guys are really good. Wouldn't even bother try to make them look bad.
A DUST BRASIL S.A precisa de você ! Junte-se a nós !
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
251
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:03:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:I love anti-CPM threads; it's like people hating on the current president/prime-minister - it's pointless because they're there for their full term and you won't be getting rid of them until that time is up (with the very rare occasions of massive misconduct exceptions). You're stuck with these guys until CCP decides otherwise, so quit b*tching about them. If and when there are elections, then is the time to voice your displeasure about them. Now, you are just wasting forum space on all this nonsense.
I agree, though I find it foolish that we can't display any displeasure over them.
And in real life, it's not pointless to express displeasure over your leader (well kinda, considering it's our senate and house that make the laws). Ever heard of the news, they are great at swaying public opinion with hate/love for the leader!!!
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10910
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:08:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Is being a douche againWhy is this guy our CPM. This is no community representative that I want. He simply shuts out idea and people he does not like or can understand. And actually goes around calling people out on them, all the while insulting. The hell man, should I expect better of a CPM? I beat him up in a game. I went 15-13, he went 2-7. I was using all BPO, he was using ADV ISK gear. The only time he killed me was a shotgun from behind. All my kills, I had on him while he knew I was engaging him. I was responsible for 3-4 of his deaths.
Cept for two of the grenades you tossed I didn't see you at all in the area (neither did any other of the blues but meh)
Also only the weapons I have was advanced (this currently excludes grenades as well). I have only access to adv dampeners module wise and nothing else anywhere.
Also was kitting out a plasma cannon logi fit at the time. Trying out a gallente demolitions role there, of course I expect bad KDR. Thinking of putting on kit kats for mobility and maybe sensor amps and a better nanohive once I go advanced logi suit. And of course get better with the PLC Longest range kill so far has been 60 meters and random guessing. Not like my mass drivers where I can reliably get a round within 5 meters on the first shot and zeroing in usually in 2 or 3 more.
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R F Gyro
Clones 4u
712
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:14:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:R F Gyro wrote:
The only people I see IWS insulting are people acting like d*cks; trolling, flaming, raging, etc. I have never seen him insult someone who was posting a well articulated opinion in a calm, reasonable manner, even when he has obviously disagreed with that opinion.
So he has to stoop to their level, to deal with them. Sounds childish to me.
Possibly. Or just that he has little tolerance for whiners. Regardless, I've never seen him insult someone that I didn't think deserved it.
But back to the specific point I was responding to though....
Tebu Gan wrote:Insulting those with differing opinions than your own is not the way to go about it. He doesn't insult people because they have different opinions to him; he insults people who are acting like d*cks.
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Robocop Junior
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
394
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:20:00 -
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Cenex Langly
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
432
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:23:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Is being a douche againWhy is this guy our CPM. This is no community representative that I want. He simply shuts out idea and people he does not like or can understand. And actually goes around calling people out on them, all the while insulting. The hell man, should I expect better of a CPM?
You sad bro?
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
251
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:26:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:R F Gyro wrote:
The only people I see IWS insulting are people acting like d*cks; trolling, flaming, raging, etc. I have never seen him insult someone who was posting a well articulated opinion in a calm, reasonable manner, even when he has obviously disagreed with that opinion.
So he has to stoop to their level, to deal with them. Sounds childish to me. Possibly. Or just that he has little tolerance for whiners. Regardless, I've never seen him insult someone that I didn't think deserved it. But back to the specific point I was responding to though.... Tebu Gan wrote:Insulting those with differing opinions than your own is not the way to go about it. He doesn't insult people because they have different opinions to him; he insults people who are acting like d*cks.
So when IWS addressed all the "winers" over the BPO refund, they were acting like dicks? I saw them as upset over the fact that nothing on the market compares to the value of a BPO. It's easy to get caught up in the bullshit, and start spewing bullshit of your own. He didn't think the "winers" had a valid point or opinion, so he felt it necessary to insult that side of the community.
I'll admit, I've done my fair share of useless ranting and raging, but does it make sense to punch a pissed off bull in the face?
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
251
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:27:00 -
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Cenex Langly wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Is being a douche againWhy is this guy our CPM. This is no community representative that I want. He simply shuts out idea and people he does not like or can understand. And actually goes around calling people out on them, all the while insulting. The hell man, should I expect better of a CPM? You sad bro?
You know I like trolls right. Troll tears are the best
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Kane Fyea
2298
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:35:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:R F Gyro wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:R F Gyro wrote:
The only people I see IWS insulting are people acting like d*cks; trolling, flaming, raging, etc. I have never seen him insult someone who was posting a well articulated opinion in a calm, reasonable manner, even when he has obviously disagreed with that opinion.
So he has to stoop to their level, to deal with them. Sounds childish to me. Possibly. Or just that he has little tolerance for whiners. Regardless, I've never seen him insult someone that I didn't think deserved it. But back to the specific point I was responding to though.... Tebu Gan wrote:Insulting those with differing opinions than your own is not the way to go about it. He doesn't insult people because they have different opinions to him; he insults people who are acting like d*cks. So when IWS addressed all the "winers" over the BPO refund, they were acting like dicks? I saw them as upset over the fact that nothing on the market compares to the value of a BPO. It's easy to get caught up in the bullshit, and start spewing bullshit of your own. He didn't think the "winers" had a valid point or opinion, so he felt it necessary to insult that side of the community. I'll admit, I've done my fair share of useless ranting and raging, but does it make sense to punch a pissed off bull in the face?
Instead of saying "IWS did this or that" you should show specific posts where you think he was acting in a way that he shouldn't otherwise most people will just think you're trying to slander him. Pretty much I'm saying show us proof of him being a bad representative of the community otherwise it just seems that he had differing opinions and you just didn't like that. |
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lok rark
StealthSquad
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:37:00 -
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We dont need people to tell us HTFU Scrub.... like IWS
When I have genuine issues I need fixed, I would like a representative to be a voice for ME against CCP. Someone fair.
IWS is the biggest CCP fangirl in the game, who blatantly jumps to the defence of CCP whatever the issue is WITHOUT first assessing the real situation.
He and CPM are not helping blueberrys. Only the players are.
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R F Gyro
Clones 4u
714
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:39:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:So when IWS addressed all the "winers" over the BPO refund, they were acting like dicks? I saw them as upset over the fact that nothing on the market compares to the value of a BPO. It's easy to get caught up in the bullshit, and start spewing bullshit of your own. He didn't think the "winers" had a valid point or opinion, so he felt it necessary to insult that side of the community.
I'll admit, I've done my fair share of useless ranting and raging, but does it make sense to punch a pissed off bull in the face?
Could you link the post in question?
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Kane Fyea
2298
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:40:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:R F Gyro wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:
So he has to stoop to their level, to deal with them. Sounds childish to me.
Possibly. Or just that he has little tolerance for whiners. Regardless, I've never seen him insult someone that I didn't think deserved it. But back to the specific point I was responding to though.... Tebu Gan wrote:Insulting those with differing opinions than your own is not the way to go about it. He doesn't insult people because they have different opinions to him; he insults people who are acting like d*cks. So when IWS addressed all the "winers" over the BPO refund, they were acting like dicks? I saw them as upset over the fact that nothing on the market compares to the value of a BPO. It's easy to get caught up in the bullshit, and start spewing bullshit of your own. He didn't think the "winers" had a valid point or opinion, so he felt it necessary to insult that side of the community. I'll admit, I've done my fair share of useless ranting and raging, but does it make sense to punch a pissed off bull in the face? Instead of saying "IWS did this or that" you should show specific posts where you think he was acting in a way that he shouldn't otherwise most people will just think you're trying to slander him. Pretty much I'm saying show us proof of him being a bad representative of the community otherwise it just seems that he had differing opinions and you just didn't like that.
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
251
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:52:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I strongly believe the word sink should be banned from this debate as its hurting the primary argument of fairity between infantry and vehicle operators.
Focus folks. Doesn't understand the idea of focus Now this thread is about redesigning the skill tree. Thank you Takahiro for enlightening our ignorance.
I really do not know how IWS came up with the idea that redesigning the skill tree was what Takahiro was about. Yes I see this as an insult, considering the man's posts had nothing to do with what IWS has "assumed".
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
251
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:53:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:[quote=Takahiro Kashuken]
Keep changing it to suit your needs but its a SINK
Vehicle tree in 1.7 is a SINK - fact
I wouldnt have mind it being a SINK if it was changed at least 6months ago so i knew how much SP i needed excatly to flesh out the vehicle tree because if i knew 6months ago that the tree would be such a SP SINK i wouldnt have gone into infantry at all or i could have gone all into infantry and had 4 diff proto suits with 4 proto weapons and all core skills by now
You can delete all this text again but you cant delete the fact that the SP needed for the vehicle tree has been increased by a factor of 3
Not including missing racial vehicles/turrets/mods/skills/pilot suits/more mods/more skills
I did a quick count, i can SINK into the 1.7 vehicle tree about 60mil SP roughly and thats nearly everything at level 5, including all missing things that could be 100mil of SP which is about 3 years worth at least, using boosters for every week, active and passive
So how about you focus on the fact that the vehicle tree has been turned into more of a SINK with 3times the SP needed
Lets double the sink then!
Another useless posts, that actually seeks to derail the conversation at hand. The OP of this thread spoke of the fairness being neglected when it came to infantry in 1.7. I see a point there.
Taki on the other hand made a good point from the tankers view on 1.7 and the respec. Totally on subject I thought. Not according to IWS
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Heavy Salvo wrote:WELL insofar we have the Vehicle perspective although it seems as though you are quite upset he & the other pilots aren't looking at this from the infantry perspective and I'm assuming also disregarding the "free candy syndrome" you brought up at the beginning of this whole thing.
well then let me get your opinion on this,Saber, what exactly do you think is unfair in regards to a full respec in 1.7 from an infantry perspective? I'm on the fence which is why Takahiro is sort of hurting the entire conversation because he's pushing me away from wanting to side with the respeccers because by his logic it would be far more effective to redesign the tree which I wont also argue but its an entirely seperate issue. For Players are bored with their current fits. Some have made mistakes Players are feeling left out because they may have made the mistake of speccing into infantry when vehicles was their real calling. Against Free Candy Syndrome - the idea of a free respec at the time of anything gets nerfed, this behavior was well established back in beta and there are plenty of people who are very hard at letting go. Future Prospects - In combination with FCS this will hurt any potential to monetize the and automate the system if it ever gets developed on because it was something offered regularly for free and now has to be paid for. Buy 1 get 2 free is now buy 1 get one 1 free type of backlash. Notation See how 0 of these points have to do with the horrible tree design?
Now suddenly, it's taki hurting the conversation and his opinion? HOW??? OP wrote a good piece about how infantry feel hurt, and Taki took it and showed how tankers are getting hurt by the new "SP SINK". 2 sides of the same story, but Taki has already derailed the conversation somehow.
He has isolated taki, and calls him the PROBLEM. This is my problem, if he wanted to make a thread about respecs in general, then fine. But the discussion was about 1.7 partial respecs. And how those affected by it feel. There is no right or wrong answer, and all input should be taken.
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Takahiro came into the thread talking about how the tree was a sink, in a thread that has nothing to do with the poorly designed tree and to be honest I didn't want to hear it again in a thread that tried to reasonably explain the need for a respec that made it somewhat agreeable to fight for that side.
Sink is an entirely separate topic. Period. I am extraordinary annoyed at the tree myself (and I have a really good idea what the future tree looks like and I find it revolting unfortunately I cannot share details because of NDA but I am doing my best to chop that thing down when possible) but the idiot won't let me be on his side ever, so there is no need to entertain him ever. So best to let him burn out of the way so more level headed folks can come forward when it comes time to argue the tree design.
I am able to choose who I want to represent as well; the calm, level headed, clear thinking, reserved logical folks I am more than willing to fight for. Irate, short minded, unfocused, trolltastic, jagged stone heads need not to apply to my constituency, go bother Nova Knife with that he's willing to tolerate that sort of abusive talk.
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Sorry Tebu but nothing you've posted there comes across as particularly insulting to me. It looks like a reasonably articulate internet debate, on both sides, to me: Tak is trying to widen the debate, IWS trying to keep it focussed, Maybe a dash of sarcasm in there, but nothing I'd consider unreasonable.
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:...the idiot...
...annnnnnd there goes IWS jumping in to prove your point Tebu. 
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Posted - 2013.12.01 23:10:00 -
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Let's also mention the debate over the 'sink' from Takahiro is about 4 months old and has destroyed about 6 threads so far.
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Posted - 2013.12.01 23:14:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Takahiro came into the thread talking about how the tree was a sink, in a thread that has nothing to do with the poorly designed tree and to be honest I didn't want to hear it again in a thread that tried to reasonably explain the need for a respec that made it somewhat agreeable to fight for that side.
Sink is an entirely separate topic. Period. I am extraordinary annoyed at the tree myself (and I have a really good idea what the future tree looks like and I find it revolting unfortunately I cannot share details because of NDA but I am doing my best to chop that thing down when possible) but the idiot won't let me be on his side ever, so there is no need to entertain him ever. So best to let him burn out of the way so more level headed folks can come forward when it comes time to argue the tree design.
I cannot agree with the banning of SINK from the discussion, as I see that it does play a part in the OP's discussion. And how does this have anything to do with the skill tree? Agreed it does need to go, but how does him introducing the bigger SP sink us tankers now have to dump points into lead to a discussion about the tree?
I thought it was all about 1.7 partial respecs tankers get to enjoy, either for tanks or full on infantry. And how Infantry will get no such favor (though given their trees are unchanged).
It was about the tanker going into full on infantry. And how that seemed unfair for infantry.
Then the tanker brings up the point that we didn't have this sink before, so now must build up even more SP to be as useful in our role as before. As most of us tankers have went to suit roles as a secondary after getting the points into tanks up where needed.
So, as I see it, Taki made a point against the infantry, showing that even though we may be getting our points back from tanks, some of us won't have enough to be as effective as before. So infantry kinda miss out, and us tankers will kinda miss out.
2 sides of the same story, IWS.
And there you go again, calling someone an idiot because they don't see the world your way. Grow up.
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Posted - 2013.12.01 23:15:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Let's also mention the debate over the 'sink' from Takahiro is about 4 months old and has destroyed about 6 threads so far.
4 months? We didn't know about the sink 4 months ago, nor partial respecs?
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Posted - 2013.12.01 23:18:00 -
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I actually kinda like IWS.
He may not like to bend over for people and sugarcoat things, but usually what he's saying is correct, and he does get work done when he needs to.
Why does everyone hate IWS? I don't see anything wrong with him.
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Posted - 2013.12.01 23:21:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Let's also mention the debate over the 'sink' from Takahiro is about 4 months old and has destroyed about 6 threads so far. 4 months? We didn't know about the sink 4 months ago, nor partial respecs?
Oh? be careful who you try to defend then. He's been at this for a while and as others mentioned here they already know about it. I suspect he may had started his crusade before uprising 1.0 but didn't run into me about 4 months ago. Also I do class Tak into the 'hard to deal with' category, the sort of folks if you give them a wide variety of possible solutions to the issue they reject everything because they seemingly don't know what they want either.
The type of folk that don't want the cake to eat it too. They're more in love with the idea of a cake that doesn't exist nor will ever exist and eating that one. The sort of people that well ultimately the CPM would be worst to dealing with because we're not game designers.
Just think of us as the little devil or little angle on the shoulders of the developers. The devs are more than capable of ignoring both of those little guys.
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That silly taki is always against infantry. If a 7/11 is down the street and he couldn't take his tank, well he's not going!
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Posted - 2013.12.01 23:23:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:That silly taki is always against infantry. If a 7/11 is down the street and he couldn't take his tank, well he's not going! * *
/me used to live where there was 4 7-11s on each corner of the cross walk intersection. Then another 8 at the end of the blocks nearby.
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Posted - 2013.12.01 23:42:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Let's also mention the debate over the 'sink' from Takahiro is about 4 months old and has destroyed about 6 threads so far. 4 months? We didn't know about the sink 4 months ago, nor partial respecs? Oh? be careful who you try to defend then. He's been at this for a while and as others mentioned here they already know about it. I suspect he may had started his crusade before uprising 1.0 but didn't run into me about 4 months ago. Also I do class Tak into the 'hard to deal with' category, the sort of folks if you give them a wide variety of possible solutions to the issue they reject everything because they seemingly don't know what they want either. The type of folk that don't want the cake to eat it too. They're more in love with the idea of a cake that doesn't exist nor will ever exist and eating that one. The sort of people that well ultimately the CPM would be worst to dealing with because we're not game designers. Just think of us as the little devil or little angle on the shoulders of the developers. The devs are more than capable of ignoring both of those little guys.
Be careful who I defend? Is that a threat fella. I for one don't defend "people", but Ideas. It would seem you have some bad blood with this particular individual. So you bring up past discussions with this person, in a thread where it has no relevance, because you assume ulterior motives.
I don't know Taki, and in all honesty, as an introvert, don't care to. So when I look at a post, I don't look to who posted, I look at what was posted. Who posted it hardly has any relevance.
So what if you have a hard head to deal with, it's not your place to judge. Only listen. Quit making assumptions about the people posting and actually pay attention to what's being said, not only that that meshes with your thinking. Or that that does not.
As a CPM that does take our ideas to CCP, regardless of whether they care to listen or not, I expect better of you. More open and free thought, not a bashing of people you think are wrong and Illogical. I really hope that your position isn't paid. Otherwise CCP is paying you to bash on their customers when you see fit. Namely because they are "stupid".
Such a nasty, ugly word, and has no place in critical thinking.
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Posted - 2013.12.01 23:45:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:jenza best cpm
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Posted - 2013.12.01 23:48:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:jenza best cpm <3
This thread needs more <3 's.
Putting my ***** away now. lol
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Posted - 2013.12.01 23:51:00 -
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Ideas are meant to be shattered into millions of pieces so that the best shards of them can be picked up and glued into something better.
Also Ideas don't have feelings, emotion, agendas lesser than the truths, and the truly greatest of ideas requires no mortal guardians. Maybe a custodian but certainly no metaphorical shield.
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Posted - 2013.12.02 00:09:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Ideas are meant to be shattered into millions of pieces so that the best shards of them can be picked up and glued into something better.
Also Ideas don't have feelings, emotion, agendas lesser than the truths, and the truly greatest of ideas requires no mortal guardians. Maybe a custodian but certainly no metaphorical shield.
Also threat?
More like word of caution.
Also Tebu I don't think poorly of you, you have yet to give reason for so. Taki has for months now and shows little to no sign of change.
No Idea are there, they are already in pieces. They are simply waiting for somebody to come along and pick up the pieces to make something great.
Also, Ideas are neither right or wrong, and none are better than the other. They are just that, ideas. A grain of salt, in the shaker.
Caution
Let me tell you, plenty of people don't like me, and I don't like plenty of people. Though I don't shut those people out simply because I can't come to terms with their rational.
It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and it's respect that glues it all together. Be the better man for a change, and respect even when respect is not given.
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Posted - 2013.12.02 00:16:00 -
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My time is rather limited as well as my ability to find the best of ideas though.
Loudest of voices are often wrong and its hard to find the best of voices buried underneath all of the turmoil above.
I do ignore voices at times because they haven't changed from the exact first time they posted on the subject thus are nothing more than a broken record to me. Sometimes I do need reminders but when someone puts that much passion behind something its hard to forget. Yelling louder and over and over again doesn't help your cause further on my front. New views interest me the most.
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Tebu Gan wrote:Is being a douche againWhy is this guy our CPM. This is no community representative that I want. He simply shuts out idea and people he does not like or can understand. And actually goes around calling people out on them, all the while insulting. The hell man, should I expect better of a CPM?
Well, if you do not want him to be your community representative you can change it by trying to be elected in CPM 1. In the meantime, no one cares what you think  .
He was not offended to anyone in this topic. What you say here is complete BS, so your chances to be elected are dramatically dropping.
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Posted - 2013.12.02 01:51:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:My time is rather limited as well as my ability to find the best of ideas though.
Loudest of voices are often wrong and its hard to find the best of voices buried underneath all of the turmoil above.
I do ignore voices at times because they haven't changed from the exact first time they posted on the subject thus are nothing more than a broken record to me. Sometimes I do need reminders but when someone puts that much passion behind something its hard to forget. Yelling louder and over and over again doesn't help your cause further on my front. New views interest me the most.
There are people whom I did have rather heated arguments with before, but when asked by CCP I give them the truth, players are not happy and CCP should strive to a more preferable solution. I certainly do not stomp out voices when it comes time to talk about it.
I understand, but keep in mind they do hold valid points. Maybe not the whole of what is said, but there is a piece of that whole to be taken away. And they don't always say the exact same thing over and over. There has to be something to be taken away from each exchange.
And yes, more often than not, with the current state people tend to be more irrational. It's anger that drives their posts. But should you be adding fuel to that fire? I know, there is a lot of bullshit, but somewhere in there is a tidbit of useful feedback. Something has them ticked off, more often than not something stupid. But please man, stop callin them out. We got plenty of people that already do just that!
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