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negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 346	Posted - 2013.12.01 03:09:00 - [1] - Quote what the point of being tactical when you can see everyone all the time and scouts got it the worst we can't even hide from scanners( sometime the ADV) One day my shotgun will run out ammo
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 104	Posted - 2013.12.01 03:13:00 - [2] - Quote Message from Godin: No, just nerf it, then buff it back only for Gal Scouts. There, fixed.
negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 347	Posted - 2013.12.01 03:21:00 - [3] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: No, just nerf it, then buff it back only for Gal Scouts. There, fixed. increase minnie scout speed by 1.75 and be the only dropsuit able to cloak there fixed One day my shotgun will run out ammo
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 288	Posted - 2013.12.01 03:26:00 - [4] - Quote have you ever thought of using their scanner spam to your advantage? if they know exactly where i am then they are going to come at me :P and if they come at me, then they explode :P its a double edged sword, sure they know where i am, but i also know they are near, and that they will undoubtably be headed right for me when i see it :P it makes them VERY predictable
abarkrishna WarRavens 86	Posted - 2013.12.01 03:27:00 - [5] - Quote Try using profile dampeners. Works just fine for me. Oh wait I have a brain. They call me the C.L.I.T commander.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 448	Posted - 2013.12.01 03:33:00 - [6] - Quote Nah, they just need a hard counter that goes in the equipment slot. {:)}{3GÇó>
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5436	Posted - 2013.12.01 03:34:00 - [7] - Quote negative49er wrote: what the point of being tactical when you can see everyone all the time and scouts got it the worst we can't even hide from scanners( sometime the ADV) If you can't hide from a scanner while wearing an scout suit, you're doing it wrong. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Badonk Adonk Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 51	Posted - 2013.12.01 03:38:00 - [8] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: negative49er wrote: what the point of being tactical when you can see everyone all the time and scouts got it the worst we can't even hide from scanners( sometime the ADV) If you can't hide from a scanner while wearing an scout suit, you're doing it wrong. Pretending like wall hacks are fine, now that's doing it wrong!
negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 348	Posted - 2013.12.01 03:38:00 - [9] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: negative49er wrote: what the point of being tactical when you can see everyone all the time and scouts got it the worst we can't even hide from scanners( sometime the ADV) If you can't hide from a scanner while wearing an scout suit, you're doing it wrong. you don't run a scout suit Mk.0 scout suit they need a buff and yes the only thing i can't avoid with out sacrificing too much it the proto scanner One day my shotgun will run out ammo
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 105	Posted - 2013.12.01 03:42:00 - [10] - Quote negative49er wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: No, just nerf it, then buff it back only for Gal Scouts. There, fixed. increase minnie scout speed by 1.75 and be the only dropsuit able to cloak there fixed Message from Godin: copying my sentence structure amd saying something that makes no sense lore and gameplay wise does not mix. Try again

negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 348	Posted - 2013.12.01 03:45:00 - [11] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: negative49er wrote: [quote=Roger Cordill]Message from Godin: No, just nerf it, then buff it back only for Gal Scouts. There, fixed. Message from Godin: copying my sentence structure amd saying something that makes no sense lore and gameplay wise does not mix. Try again minnie scout should be the fastest scout and be the only scout to be able to get close and personal Better One day my shotgun will run out ammo
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 106	Posted - 2013.12.01 03:49:00 - [12] - Quote negative49er wrote: Roger Cordill wrote: negative49er wrote: [quote=Roger Cordill]Message from Godin: No, just nerf it, then buff it back only for Gal Scouts. There, fixed. Message from Godin: copying my sentence structure amd saying something that makes no sense lore and gameplay wise does not mix. Try again minnie scout should be the fastest scout and be the only scout to be able to get close and personal Better Half of that statement is true. I assume you know which half that is.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3902	Posted - 2013.12.01 03:52:00 - [13] - Quote negative49er wrote: what the point of being tactical when you can see everyone all the time and scouts got it the worst we can't even hide from scanners( sometime the ADV) Look, the issue is that the scanner continues to provide data after the pulse. In trying to make scanners useful CCP - in typical fashion - has made them too useful and will revise them back into a balanced state the same way they always do. Remove the lingering tracking and have it only generate a snapshot of enemy positions, give bonuses to Scouts when using them, including the ability to scan for the entire team, and possibly add a secondary mechanic relating to the pulse you see on your radar screen. What I mean by that is that they could potential set up the device so that you have to keep the scanner facing in the direction of the initial pulse in order to get a scan. Any deviation will make the scan area smaller, so no more "scan pirouette-ing". Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Prince Adidas Horizons' Edge 15	Posted - 2013.12.01 04:24:00 - [14] - Quote There's is something called profile dampeners and there is a skill for it. Everybody thinks that scanners are like invincible, all knowing equipment, but it's really not. No item in DUST is. For every action, there's always a counter-action. If you having trouble with anything in DUST, find a solution. Rookie With Little DUST Knowledge. Online Almost Everyday. Prototype Heavy, HMG Over 7 Mill Total SP In 4 Months.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2600	Posted - 2013.12.01 04:26:00 - [15] - Quote negative49er wrote: what the point of being tactical when you can see everyone all the time and scouts got it the worst we can't even hide from scanners( sometime the ADV) Please follow my Signature's Link This is the best way to proceed without Nerfing the A.Scanner at all,but making profile dampening effective again. Please Support my Active Scanner Thread HERE ==> X
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2600	Posted - 2013.12.01 04:27:00 - [16] - Quote Prince Adidas wrote: There's is something called profile dampeners and there is a skill for it. Everybody thinks that scanners are like invincible, all knowing equipment, but it's really not. No item in DUST is. For every action, there's always a counter-action. If you having trouble with anything in DUST, find a solution. DUVOLLE FOCUSED ACTIVE SCANNER at 15db is pretty invencible IMO. Please Support my Active Scanner Thread HERE ==> X
Prince Adidas Horizons' Edge 15	Posted - 2013.12.01 04:29:00 - [17] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Prince Adidas wrote: There's is something called profile dampeners and there is a skill for it. Everybody thinks that scanners are like invincible, all knowing equipment, but it's really not. No item in DUST is. For every action, there's always a counter-action. If you having trouble with anything in DUST, find a solution. DUVOLLE FOCUSED ACTIVE SCANNER at 15db is pretty invencible IMO. CCP might just take them down a little bit then. Rookie With Little DUST Knowledge. Online Almost Everyday. Prototype Heavy, HMG Over 7 Mill Total SP In 4 Months.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2601	Posted - 2013.12.01 04:39:00 - [18] - Quote Prince Adidas wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Prince Adidas wrote: There's is something called profile dampeners and there is a skill for it. Everybody thinks that scanners are like invincible, all knowing equipment, but it's really not. No item in DUST is. For every action, there's always a counter-action. If you having trouble with anything in DUST, find a solution. DUVOLLE FOCUSED ACTIVE SCANNER at 15db is pretty invencible IMO. CCP might just take them down a little bit then. Or like my Post proposes (in my sig) Remove the Focused one. Please Support my Active Scanner Thread HERE ==> X
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2566	Posted - 2013.12.01 04:54:00 - [19] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Prince Adidas wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Prince Adidas wrote: There's is something called profile dampeners and there is a skill for it. Everybody thinks that scanners are like invincible, all knowing equipment, but it's really not. No item in DUST is. For every action, there's always a counter-action. If you having trouble with anything in DUST, find a solution. DUVOLLE FOCUSED ACTIVE SCANNER at 15db is pretty invencible IMO. CCP might just take them down a little bit then. Or like my Post proposes (in my sig) Remove the Focused one. Then make them scout only.... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
ELITE INQUISITOR Eternal Beings 30	Posted - 2013.12.01 15:57:00 - [20] - Quote They should just come out with active dampners. Does anyone remember in the earlier days where you didn't need a scanner and you could still see the enemy chevrons If you accept your limitations you go beyond them

ELITE INQUISITOR Eternal Beings 30	Posted - 2013.12.01 15:59:00 - [21] - Quote I'd be happy if the scanner only worked for the one person using it instead of their whole squad If you accept your limitations you go beyond them
Blind Nojoy G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 61	Posted - 2013.12.01 16:44:00 - [22] - Quote Scanner needs some tweaking and that's about it. If say much quicker scan times to limit the amount you can spin. That's pretty much it. (I'm talking fractions of seconds). Or keep as is and make a serious increase in CPU/pg reqs. Sounds like you need to damp yourself more. I don't even full time scout, I'm level 3 dampening and put one adv dampener, two pro kin cats, and one basic reactive plate on an aur pro gal scout. With a complex shield extender. The the most fun stalking lone wolfs while defeating their scans EVERY TIME and then introducing into them to the business end of my shotgun. Unless you are Lightning or Marauder or a few other anomalies you need to play the scout suit appropriately! Because it is made of paper and needs a buff terribly. But if you plan on playing stealthily, you need to be damping and increase your passive skill to 5. I'm doing the last two levels as soon as I can. I love surprising those suckers with a scanner - it may be the most fun I have in dust. Because half the time, I am one of those suckers with a scanner :p
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2496	Posted - 2013.12.01 17:09:00 - [23] - Quote Blind Nojoy wrote: Unless you are Lightning or Marauder or a few other anomalies you need to play the scout suit appropriately! Because it is made of paper and needs a buff terribly. But if you plan on playing stealthily, you need to be damping and increase your passive skill to 5. I'm doing the last two levels as soon as I can. I love surprising those suckers with a scanner - it may be the most fun I have in dust. Because half the time, I am one of those suckers with a scanner :p 1) If you're a Scout, check your math for return before investing in Dampening V. In short, anything beyond Dampening III is a waste of SP. A single, low-slot dampener will beat all but the 15 dB scanner. IMHO, that single low-slot is too much to ask of my Minmatar brothers (like OP). They're all-but-required to run a dampener, which leaves them only one low-slot to work with. We're already gimped, and this adds insult to injury. 2) The Scout anomalies are sick of compensating. The two you've named announced their retirement this week; perhaps sick of waiting for CCP? The latest Dev blog suggests that we'll need to wait longer. AR-514 needed more rifles.
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 58	Posted - 2013.12.01 17:28:00 - [24] - Quote Get your skills to the right point. Only thing that catches me is a proto scanner :/ As for using a slot on stealth modules, its part of my permanent fittings. No point tanking my suit unless its adv or proto tier suits. I run around with 80/149 health and still take out proto's with my pistol. Think it will be a fair fight in the open, you have another thing coming though. Dedicated scout. Caldari loyalist. Pistol supremacy.
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 237	Posted - 2013.12.01 17:35:00 - [25] - Quote Scanners is ok.
negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 352	Posted - 2013.12.01 17:36:00 - [26] - Quote lordjanuz wrote: Scanners is ok. Here a +1 for you stupidity One day my shotgun will run out ammo
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 237	Posted - 2013.12.01 17:39:00 - [27] - Quote negative49er wrote: lordjanuz wrote: Scanners is ok. Here a +1 for you stupidity Thank you it means a lot
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 694	Posted - 2013.12.01 17:56:00 - [28] - Quote Prince Adidas wrote: There's is something called profile dampeners and there is a skill for it. Everybody thinks that scanners are like invincible, all knowing equipment, but it's really not. No item in DUST is. For every action, there's always a counter-action. If you having trouble with anything in DUST, find a solution. Wow.... You can tell an EVE player when you see one. What you just said makes no sense at all. DUST is an incredibly lopsided game with terrible balance. Or are you trolling Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 331	Posted - 2013.12.01 18:16:00 - [29] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: Get your skills to the right point. Only thing that catches me is a proto scanner :/ As for using a slot on stealth modules, its part of my permanent fittings. No point tanking my suit unless its adv or proto tier suits. I run around with 80/149 health and still take out proto's with my pistol. Think it will be a fair fight in the open, you have another thing coming though. It's not the ADV scanner that's really hurts the game...nor is it pubs. In PC you know 1 person per squad is running a Duvolle Focused plus other scanners. You CANNOT viably beat these, area is perma scanned for anything but scouts and they are periodically lit up. Plus scanners have so many messed up mechanics. Twirl and glitch passed scan angle. Scan area and no matter what know if a dampened guy is there because of dumb message. Cool down is so low you can keep an area perma scanned and still fight.
Blind Nojoy G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 62	Posted - 2013.12.01 18:33:00 - [30] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: [quote=Blind Nojoy] 3) The Scout Anomalies you've named -- the best two Scouts in the game -- announced their retirement this week. Perhaps sick of compensating? Perhaps sick of waiting? Don't know for sure, but I don't blame them. Six months is too long to wait. I used to play with lightning pretty often before uprising. Retirement -eh- I guess the good thing about this game is that you can always accrue skill points and come back later. And hopefully they do. Play something else for awhile and come back later. That's what I did, and will probably do again. The last week or so I've been on a dust kick. But you and those guys are bad names for scouts lol. Putting up beast scores all the time and ccp thinks scouts are fine. But yeah 99% of scouts get eaten for breakfast. But let me just reiterate. SCOUTS NEED A BUFF! A quarter second of toxin smg fire shouldn't down my advanced scout fitting. We need good scouts in the game. Forces you to keep your SA high at all times when you play against them .

Tectonic Fusion 645	Posted - 2013.12.01 18:38:00 - [31] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: have you ever thought of using their scanner spam to your advantage? if they know exactly where i am then they are going to come at me :P and if they come at me, then they explode :P its a double edged sword, sure they know where i am, but i also know they are near, and that they will undoubtably be headed right for me when i see it :P it makes them VERY predictable However. If your opponent isn't stupid, you're screwed. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2590	Posted - 2013.12.01 19:25:00 - [32] - Quote Scanners definitely need a reworking but the biggest problem I see is that they can be spammed by other classes, which defeats the purpose of a scout because anyone with an equipment slot can do it. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1434	Posted - 2013.12.02 00:11:00 - [33] - Quote I hate it when I am using a scout suit and it tells me that I have been scanned. Not being seen is pretty much my only defence considering that I only have 350hp and that assault rifles kill me in 0.2 seconds "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1099	Posted - 2013.12.02 00:16:00 - [34] - Quote Ok I understand what your thinking, but removing them isn't the solution, the way scanners work is unbalanced. Not thd premise behind them. 1) Once you scan, you can switch back to your light weapon This is problematic because there is no negative to doing a quick 360 and the getting intel for the next 30 seconds 2)Scans 'Tag' players physically showing there tag to 100% accuracy, 100% of the time This is problematic because having THIS much intel without a drawback is a little unfair 3) Tagging lasts for ridiculous amounts of time 4) Scans have incredibly long ranges Ideally I think scanners should work more like the movement detectors in ALIENS. The scanner sends a pulse intermittently that 'tags' the player, but this tag is only updated with each pulse Furthermore as soon as you change to a weapon or other equipment the tag data is lost So you might choose a short range scanner with moderate prescision, that comes with a short interval to give full real time info to a squad. Or you might go for ultra long range moderate prescion but with an incredibily long interaval, which would serve more as global battlefield intel, such as where you predict groups are moving to. The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1


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