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Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 16	Posted - 2013.12.01 04:12:00 - [31] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: This is honestly why I hate General Discussion. I can put up with peasant trash going blah blah blah. I can even put up with people bading mouthing my skill. What I cannot stand, is players balancing game design on public matches. The assumption is because it was a effective counter in a pub it is therefore balanced . In PC, people run proto scanners. Therefore, I would need to sacrifice two Highs just to stay off the radar. To a shield tanker that is suicide. Furthermore, in order for me to counter the scanner I must either sacrifice shield or DPS, yet the opposition sacrifices a equipment slot. How is that balanced Dampeners are low slots. If you are going to complain get the facts straight first. I have by default militia or basic dampeners on all my active fits. So MLT armour, rep and damp. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
mollerz Minja Scouts 1073	Posted - 2013.12.01 04:13:00 - [32] - Quote I run a minja ADV scout with scout lv 5, and prof damp lv 5. I've only played about 50 or so game since recent times and have never been successfully scanned. But also, I have only seen a handful of unsuccessfully scanned msgs. #shittycoding
ReGnYuM 1403	Posted - 2013.12.01 04:14:00 - [33] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: This is honestly why I hate General Discussion. I can put up with peasant trash going blah blah blah. I can even put up with people bading mouthing my skill. What I cannot stand, is players balancing game design on public matches. The assumption is because it was a effective counter in a pub it is therefore balanced . In PC, people run proto scanners. Therefore, I would need to sacrifice two Highs just to stay off the radar. To a shield tanker that is suicide. Furthermore, in order for me to counter the scanner I must either sacrifice shield or DPS, yet the opposition sacrifices a equipment slot. How is that balanced Umm GÇª never mind someone will point it out I see, it really makes no difference because any competent player needs the CPU upgrade. If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514. KDR>ALL Sig Move: Figure 8 of Death
ReGnYuM 1403	Posted - 2013.12.01 04:16:00 - [34] - Quote Tch Tch wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: This is honestly why I hate General Discussion. I can put up with peasant trash going blah blah blah. I can even put up with people bading mouthing my skill. What I cannot stand, is players balancing game design on public matches. The assumption is because it was a effective counter in a pub it is therefore balanced . In PC, people run proto scanners. Therefore, I would need to sacrifice two Highs just to stay off the radar. To a shield tanker that is suicide. Furthermore, in order for me to counter the scanner I must either sacrifice shield or DPS, yet the opposition sacrifices a equipment slot. How is that balanced Dampeners are low slots. If you are going to complain get the facts straight first. I have by default militia or basic dampeners on all my active fits. So MLT armour, rep and damp. Complain... You need to STFU little forum trash. I made a mistake but really makes no difference. Dampeners still are not worth it If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514. KDR>ALL Sig Move: Figure 8 of Death
Prince Adidas Horizons' Edge 15	Posted - 2013.12.01 04:17:00 - [35] - Quote Scanners shouldn't be a problem. I've had plenty of people scan me and know my EXACT location, but it doesn't matter to me. They come around and find me and I'll KILL ON SIGHT. Like I said in some other forums, it's not always about the gear, it's the player's skill also. A player could have the best scanner in DUST and wouldn't know how to use it properly. Think about that. Rookie With Little DUST Knowledge. Online Almost Everyday. Prototype Heavy, HMG Over 7 Mill Total SP In 4 Months.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2600	Posted - 2013.12.01 04:21:00 - [36] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: 1 mn scout with 1 complex dampeners can avoid most scanners Most is NOT enough Plus,please check my SIG. Please Support my Active Scanner Thread HERE ==> X
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 695	Posted - 2013.12.01 04:40:00 - [37] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Llast 326 wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: This is honestly why I hate General Discussion. I can put up with peasant trash going blah blah blah. I can even put up with people bading mouthing my skill. What I cannot stand, is players balancing game design on public matches. The assumption is because it was a effective counter in a pub it is therefore balanced . In PC, people run proto scanners. Therefore, I would need to sacrifice two Highs just to stay off the radar. To a shield tanker that is suicide. Furthermore, in order for me to counter the scanner I must either sacrifice shield or DPS, yet the opposition sacrifices a equipment slot. How is that balanced Umm GÇª never mind someone will point it out I see, it really makes no difference because any competent player needs the CPU upgrade. Good players dont need to run medium frame, AR/SCR or damage mods to be good Running for CPM1 Scout, Pilot, Logi, AV'r Vote Delt!
ReGnYuM 1403	Posted - 2013.12.01 04:48:00 - [38] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Llast 326 wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: This is honestly why I hate General Discussion. I can put up with peasant trash going blah blah blah. I can even put up with people bading mouthing my skill. What I cannot stand, is players balancing game design on public matches. The assumption is because it was a effective counter in a pub it is therefore balanced . In PC, people run proto scanners. Therefore, I would need to sacrifice two Highs just to stay off the radar. To a shield tanker that is suicide. Furthermore, in order for me to counter the scanner I must either sacrifice shield or DPS, yet the opposition sacrifices a equipment slot. How is that balanced Umm GÇª never mind someone will point it out I see, it really makes no difference because any competent player needs the CPU upgrade. Good players dont need to run medium frame, AR/SCR or damage mods to be good If that what helps you log on everyday, then good for CCP! If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514. KDR>ALL Sig Move: Figure 8 of Death
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 55	Posted - 2013.12.01 04:50:00 - [39] - Quote Only proto scanners pick me up and only if im in the dirrection their scanning. They tend to point them at crowds, not behind them. Dedicated scout. Caldari loyalist. Pistol supremacy.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2566	Posted - 2013.12.01 04:53:00 - [40] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: Only proto scanners pick me up and only if im in the dirrection their scanning. They tend to point them at crowds, not behind them. Really? The guys I see scanning usually do a little ballerina twirl to get a 360 scan. And yes I've done this from time to time. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 STB-Infantry (Demolition)

Stile451 Red Star. EoN. 294	Posted - 2013.12.01 05:16:00 - [41] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: 1 mn scout with 1 complex dampeners can avoid most scanners Most is NOT enough Plus,please check my SIG. It's your choice not to use enough dampeners. It's their choice to use a scanner that only shows you for 2 seconds with a 30 second cool down(not worth it except when against a squad of scouts). I'm getting page not found in your sig.
Piercing Serenity Shattered Ascension Top Men. 439	Posted - 2013.12.01 05:25:00 - [42] - Quote I do run dampeners on my suit. I have L3 dampening skill, as well as a basic and enhanced dampener in my low slots to beat advanced scanners. However, since I run a Raven suit in pubs/FW, that means I can't repair myself. i have to use a compact nanohive to get any armor reps. I haven't done PC battling in a long time, but being able to rep your armor passively was a necessity even then. Since the CPU and PG was dropped, my suit has also needed a CPU upgrade to do anything useful for competitive battles. Even with all of the "required" skills and equipment to complain, it feels unfair to compete in such a lopsided battle against scanners. On top of that, I am fighting a battle that I can not possibly win no matter what I do. With proto scanners in game, it wouldn't matter if I fit all three low slots with complex dampeners at level five damp skill (whatever its called). I understand the importance of giving every role a niche. But there is also value in having multiple ways to counter a threat. Not "I hope you're in a Galente Scout suit" as the only option. DUST 514 BETA VET 16.2M Lifetime SP SH4T --> PFBHz --> PFB --> SH4T --> Pending
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1501	Posted - 2013.12.01 05:35:00 - [43] - Quote I'm lucky to be in a logi suit that only has to use one complex dampener to barely get under adv scaners. Assaults need at least two dampeners just for adv, and even more if they want to beat proto scanners. There also isn't any way to counter scanners, like a radar or TacNet jammer...so yes there is a problem with the dB system and dampeners...maybe not scanners themselves Honestly, dampeners need to be changed so that one complex will allow any medium suit to get under adv, and any scout to get under proto. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
T8R Raid BIG BAD W0LVES 45	Posted - 2013.12.01 06:13:00 - [44] - Quote There's one way past it, get a proto logi, grab a Creodron Focused Active Scanner and swap weapon and switch equipment until that scanner is so jumbled into your scrambler rifle, that whenever you fire it also scans. 15 db scan for 100 meters CONSTANT. No proto scout with complex dampeners will be able to hide.
Admonishment The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 37	Posted - 2013.12.01 14:29:00 - [45] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Out of curiosity have any of you got profile damps on your suits, or have the skill? I find them a fantastic way of staying off of enemy scanners, I fully suggest using them. The problem isn't the advanced level scanner...its the prototype one that could scan the signature of an ant. Which can be spammed nonstop, killing any chance of stealth. Level 5 Proficiency in Tupperware handling.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1305	Posted - 2013.12.01 14:36:00 - [46] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: abarkrishna wrote: No they do not. I use a logi suit with profile dampening 4 and 1 ADV profile dampener and hide from the scanners all the time. It is really easy to get your profile down below 36 DB. They would just rather stack armor. How many dampeners does it take to get below a proto scanner? Issue goes a little beyond pub matches. Two complex dampeners will get you under 4 of the 5 proto scanners. As for the 5th proto scanner...... its just not worth it dude. Marston VC, STB director
Zelorian Dexter snr 8thDivision 92	Posted - 2013.12.01 14:41:00 - [47] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: I get a warm feeling inside everytime I see SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED :) There is one thing that I think should be removed the some margin of error message. Even though you cant be painted we still know your there. Kinda spoils the stealth element.
Ridire Greine 178	Posted - 2013.12.01 15:05:00 - [48] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Out of curiosity have any of you got profile damps on your suits, or have the skill? I find them a fantastic way of staying off of enemy scanners, I fully suggest using them. I use a Lv3 Scout with Lv5 Prof Damp. And i still get Scanned. Use A Med frame,say Amarr Logi A/1 series? with 2 Cx Dam Mods? And i still get scanned. Lvl 5 Dampening + 2 Comp. Dampening Mods, on an Amarr Logi, gets you a Profile of 27db. Enough to dodge every scanner but the Flux My DUST Experience
pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 171	Posted - 2013.12.01 16:28:00 - [49] - Quote abarkrishna wrote: No they do not. I use a logi suit with profile dampening 4 and 1 ADV profile dampener and hide from the scanners all the time. It is really easy to get your profile down below 36 DB. They would just rather stack armor.


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