DUST Search - [Request] Minmatar assault racial bonus

Cosgar wrote:

Ulysses Knapse wrote:

Cosgar wrote:

Mobius Kaethis wrote:

That would make sense but it would make even more sense if the bonus applied to all non explosive projectile weapons (ie. Combat Rifle and SMG).

I know from previous conversations that you are not in favor of linking racial weapons to racial suits with bonuses but it has been done with Amarr assaults very successfully and I think it would be better for Minmatar Assaults than the current bonuses. Why should Minmatar get bonuses for using Amarr weapons after all. That just doesn't fit the game's back story.

We don't have allegiance to one specific race, were mercenaries.

While that is true, the dropsuits are a different story...

Yet there's a Matari sub-bloodline that elusively uses Amarr weapons, Caldari corps manufacture Gallente, Minmatar and occasionally Amarr gear, Minmatar tech is a mixture of the other 3 races and Amarr will use Matari gear when necessary. EVE isn't as xenophobic as you want to think. Why do you think there's an Ishukone SMG? I sure as hell isn't a placeholder.

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Cosgar ParagonX 8088	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:36:00 - [1] - Quote Just got my Carthium pistol the other day and loving this thing with 2 complex damage mods. But was a bit saddened with how the Minmatar assault's racial bonus only applies to base clip size. If possible, I'd like to see it apply to total weapon clip size after the operations skill is applied. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1042	Posted - 2013.11.30 07:17:00 - [2] - Quote That would make sense but it would make even more sense if the bonus applied to all non explosive projectile weapons (ie. Combat Rifle and SMG). I know from previous conversations that you are not in favor of linking racial weapons to racial suits with bonuses but it has been done with Amarr assaults very successfully and I think it would be better for Minmatar Assaults than the current bonuses. Why should Minmatar get bonuses for using Amarr weapons after all. That just doesn't fit the game's back story. Fun > Realism
Cosgar ParagonX 8096	Posted - 2013.11.30 08:51:00 - [3] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: That would make sense but it would make even more sense if the bonus applied to all non explosive projectile weapons (ie. Combat Rifle and SMG). I know from previous conversations that you are not in favor of linking racial weapons to racial suits with bonuses but it has been done with Amarr assaults very successfully and I think it would be better for Minmatar Assaults than the current bonuses. Why should Minmatar get bonuses for using Amarr weapons after all. That just doesn't fit the game's back story. We don't have allegiance to one specific race, were mercenaries. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 690	Posted - 2013.11.30 09:09:00 - [4] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: That would make sense but it would make even more sense if the bonus applied to all non explosive projectile weapons (ie. Combat Rifle and SMG). I know from previous conversations that you are not in favor of linking racial weapons to racial suits with bonuses but it has been done with Amarr assaults very successfully and I think it would be better for Minmatar Assaults than the current bonuses. Why should Minmatar get bonuses for using Amarr weapons after all. That just doesn't fit the game's back story. We don't have allegiance to one specific race, were mercenaries. While that is true, the dropsuits are a different story... Humanity is the personification of change.
Hecarim Van Hohen Knights of Eternal Darkness 301	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:08:00 - [5] - Quote These suits were manufactured for different armies of New Eden and as we all know they use a variety of weapons. So it only makes sense for them to design dropsuits that maximize their own weapon systems. Faction dropsuits (if they are even thought about at this point) might fit what Cosgar is looking for for non-race generic bonuses. Cheer up a bit will you (n+ëGùòpâ«Gùò)n+ë:n+Ñn+ƒG£º:n+Ñn+ƒG£º
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 181	Posted - 2013.11.30 17:11:00 - [6] - Quote I think the sidearm mag size should be a general mag size increase, no matter the weapon.
Cosgar ParagonX 8104	Posted - 2013.11.30 19:58:00 - [7] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Cosgar wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: That would make sense but it would make even more sense if the bonus applied to all non explosive projectile weapons (ie. Combat Rifle and SMG). I know from previous conversations that you are not in favor of linking racial weapons to racial suits with bonuses but it has been done with Amarr assaults very successfully and I think it would be better for Minmatar Assaults than the current bonuses. Why should Minmatar get bonuses for using Amarr weapons after all. That just doesn't fit the game's back story. We don't have allegiance to one specific race, were mercenaries. While that is true, the dropsuits are a different story... Yet there's a Matari sub-bloodline that elusively uses Amarr weapons, Caldari corps manufacture Gallente, Minmatar and occasionally Amarr gear, Minmatar tech is a mixture of the other 3 races and Amarr will use Matari gear when necessary. EVE isn't as xenophobic as you want to think. Why do you think there's an Ishukone SMG? I sure as hell isn't a placeholder. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 400	Posted - 2013.11.30 20:02:00 - [8] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Just got my Carthium pistol the other day and loving this thing with 2 complex damage mods. But was a bit saddened with how the Minmatar assault's racial bonus only applies to base clip size. If possible, I'd like to see it apply to total weapon clip size after the operations skill is applied. Lol its kinda meant for minmatar sidearms like smg or flaylock. *Assassination is my thing.*
Cosgar ParagonX 8104	Posted - 2013.11.30 20:04:00 - [9] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Cosgar wrote: Just got my Carthium pistol the other day and loving this thing with 2 complex damage mods. But was a bit saddened with how the Minmatar assault's racial bonus only applies to base clip size. If possible, I'd like to see it apply to total weapon clip size after the operations skill is applied. Lol its kinda meant for minmatar sidearms like smg or flaylock. /facepalm I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Cosgar ParagonX 8154	Posted - 2013.12.02 00:21:00 - [10] - Quote bump I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"

Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 3976	Posted - 2013.12.02 00:40:00 - [11] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Cosgar wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: That would make sense but it would make even more sense if the bonus applied to all non explosive projectile weapons (ie. Combat Rifle and SMG). I know from previous conversations that you are not in favor of linking racial weapons to racial suits with bonuses but it has been done with Amarr assaults very successfully and I think it would be better for Minmatar Assaults than the current bonuses. Why should Minmatar get bonuses for using Amarr weapons after all. That just doesn't fit the game's back story. We don't have allegiance to one specific race, were mercenaries. While that is true, the dropsuits are a different story... Yet there's a Matari sub-bloodline that elusively uses Amarr weapons, Caldari corps manufacture Gallente, Minmatar and occasionally Amarr gear, Minmatar tech is a mixture of the other 3 races and Amarr will use Matari gear when necessary. EVE isn't as xenophobic as you want to think. Why do you think there's an Ishukone SMG? I sure as hell isn't a placeholder. Not sure that's entirely accurate... The Ishukone corporation manufactures Matari gear due to past experience but that isn't to say that the Matari wouldn't be proficient in the utilization of their own technology. Amarr Assault suit has a bonus geared toward their own weapons, as well as higher CPU/PG values necessary for the use of said weapons. Gallente Assault suit gets a bonus to hybrid weapon resource costs. If anything, the Caldari is the only suit that's -not- operating on a racial standpoint and that's because they ditched the reload speed in favor of a shield bonus a few months ago. The Minmatar Assault's sidearm bonus is a bit over-broad, if you ask me and I'd much rather it apply to the magazine capacity to all projectile weapons being as the magazine capacity on the Assault Combat Rifle is a little lacking... Yes, we're mercenaries and yes there are a few exceptions in the lore but we're talking about general issue gear here, not the stuff the Kameira's and Valklear are using. Fix the Frames, Fix the game
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 278	Posted - 2013.12.02 00:41:00 - [12] - Quote While i personally love the fact that my SMG with minmatar assault V, does in fact do more Damage Per Clip than a Duvolle, and the fact that it gives the Flaylock 4 shots, i do feel it's bonus should be changed...(feeling disgusted at self) Shield recharge bonus should be swapped though. caldari would get bonus to Hybrid effective ranges Amarr get's bonus towards laser overheat Gallente gets bonus to fitting or RoF Minmatar gets bonus to projectile clip size, or a bonus to something else. Along with this 'racial offense' bonus, should be either a 'role bonus' that is applied through the suit, or one applied through skill levels: Role bonus: +10% handheld weapon damage Role skill bonus: +2% handheld weapon damage per level. There should be in total 3 bonuses though, one for the role, and 1 for racial offense and another for racial defense. LAV murder man: "I can kill with rails, therefore they're OP." NERF THE SCOUTS!
Cosgar ParagonX 8156	Posted - 2013.12.02 00:44:00 - [13] - Quote Can we get a little on topic. I'm talking specifically about the bonus being applied to total clip size instead of base clip size. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Kaan Raskil Raskil Tribe 2	Posted - 2013.12.02 01:00:00 - [14] - Quote Cosgar wrote: [quote=Mobius Kaethis]We don't have allegiance to one specific race, were mercenaries. Lots of Corps are dedicated to the Factional Warfare (such as the Raskil Militia who fight for the Minmatar on both EVE and Dust). When CCP will improve the FW system like they've announced, you'll see that, not all Dust players are unaligned as you think.
shady merc RisingSuns Public Disorder. 32	Posted - 2013.12.02 01:24:00 - [15] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Just got my Carthium pistol the other day and loving this thing with 2 complex damage mods. But was a bit saddened with how the Minmatar assault's racial bonus only applies to base clip size. If possible, I'd like to see it apply to total weapon clip size after the operations skill is applied. I wouldn't mind seeing this change so it effects the pistol. However this talk of racial weapon bonuses for all assaults suit is a poor choice. One it kills versatility. By not conforming to your races weapon choice you lose out on half of the suits bonus. Which means any niche weapon that doesn't match your race has to perform well enough without a bonus to be useful to every other race. Which will make it either op or close to when used with its suit. Besides amarr having the weapon bonuses make them unique and helps make up for the missing slot on the suit. Thing to consider 1. Amarr receive weapon bonus on heavy and assault suit. They receive a sidearm as a logi. This could be seen as a weapon bonus of the suit. This is a racial feature of theirs 2. Gall. Receive fitting bonuses on both med frames. Now the choice of hybrid weapons only for the assault still covers 2different races worth the weapons. If they didn't restrict this feature then they would become the cookie cutter assault build as CPU/pg are 2 most important thing(just look at all the QQ about slayerlogi) 3. Minmatar being the fastest race makes since that they would want to bonuses for close range weapons. 4. Backstory and lore should help breed creativity not restrict a game
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 241	Posted - 2013.12.02 02:25:00 - [16] - Quote The current way the clip size is determined for the Scrambler Pistol is probably a bug. Regardless of whether this is the right bonus to have for this suit or not the bug should be fixed.
Cosgar ParagonX 8186	Posted - 2013.12.02 07:26:00 - [17] - Quote Garth Mandra wrote: The current way the clip size is determined for the Scrambler Pistol is probably a bug. Regardless of whether this is the right bonus to have for this suit or not the bug should be fixed. I think it's working as intended, but the bonus is pretty diminished due to the low clip size. Simply changing how the bonus is applied could go a long way. Having a few extra shots in the clip doesn't seem like it would hurt anything for an already underrated weapon. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Cosgar ParagonX 8205	Posted - 2013.12.02 21:15:00 - [18] - Quote (Cocks Carthium pistol) I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1556	Posted - 2013.12.02 22:54:00 - [19] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Just got my Carthium pistol the other day and loving this thing with 2 complex damage mods. But was a bit saddened with how the Minmatar assault's racial bonus only applies to base clip size. I really like this racial bonus since it reinforces the Minmatar battle philosophy without limiting them to racial weapons, but it could use some tweaking in better foresight into new and existing sidearms. I'm thinking that instead of just base clip size, the bonus should apply to total clip size which includes the +1 per level you get from the scrambler pistol operations and in addition ammo capacity size for those that want to run sidearms as primary weapons. No (Yes) Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Cosgar ParagonX 8213	Posted - 2013.12.02 23:04:00 - [20] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: No (Yes) Which is it? I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"



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