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Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 800	Posted - 2013.11.30 03:52:00 - [1] - Quote All it takes is to give the other tiers a new paint job, increase slot count + more CPU/PG, and handle some things server side. From here the specialization roles would then have it's own tiers like the dropsuit does so why is there no hint of what will the future updates offer for vehicles. All I know is that they'll bring in the pilot suit and return some vehicles back but is that it? Aside from Assault Dropships and Hardeners, there wasn't other GOOD content update for vehicles in a whole year. CCP, promoting exploits with every update LOL Commando LOL Plasma Cannon
DeadlyAztec11 2361	Posted - 2013.11.30 03:53:00 - [2] - Quote Proto vehicles are a fairytale. They don't exist. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3104	Posted - 2013.11.30 03:53:00 - [3] - Quote Probably as hard as making different colors for Assault instead of bland white throughout the universe.
abarkrishna WarRavens 86	Posted - 2013.11.30 03:56:00 - [4] - Quote Once again a case of someone not reading the forums. 1.7 is vehicle specific. Which is coming in less than 2 weeks. There is plenty of available information on the vehicles changes. They call me the C.L.I.T commander.
Tank Missile Intara Direct Action Caldari State 55	Posted - 2013.11.30 03:57:00 - [5] - Quote The thing that I'm curious about is are the HAVs we are using now the vehicle equivalent of basic frames? "History is written by the victor-" Blah, blah blah, let's go shoot some stuff!
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2780	Posted - 2013.11.30 03:58:00 - [6] - Quote Tank Missile wrote: The thing that I'm curious about is are the HAVs we are using now the vehicle equivalent of basic frames? yes
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 937	Posted - 2013.11.30 03:58:00 - [7] - Quote easy. if the users aren't dolts.
nor asha Turbo Bros inc. 27	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:03:00 - [8] - Quote I hope instead they get rid of tiered suits
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1133	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:06:00 - [9] - Quote If you look at the data released on vehicle changes in 1.7, you can see that vehicles have significantly reduced slot layouts. In my opinion, this strongly implies that we will see advanced and prototype level takes introduced in the near future (not 1.8 but possibly beyond). For now however its best they see how the new standard vehicles handle before adding additional variables to this re-balance effort. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 643	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:06:00 - [10] - Quote nor asha wrote: I hope instead they get rid of tiered suits That wont happen. *CALDARI MASTER RACE*

GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 180	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:10:00 - [11] - Quote Its so hard that they havent even made the other heavy's. Anything that is "good" hasnt been released yet. PLUS ccp is lazy. Look at how long the game was in beta? I still say the game is in BETA and they released the game so they could get more people. I wonder how that worked. Yes the game IDEA is very good but the work that is needed to really be taken ISNT. The game is developing so slow. Not as bad as EvE but what game do you know that doesn't has less then 4000 players that is ONLY ONLINE. The rapid firing updates are nothing more then a patch every 2 months. I personally say they spend 1 month talking about what they want to do and reading the forums to see what we CRY about. Then another 2 weeks to get the ideas down. Then a week to write the code. The last week is to write the patch notes. I still give props to CCP but the effect to make the game better is dragging big time. I have seen more and more posts about players quitting dust and then CCP deleting the posts. If CCP needs help then they should just say that. Players would take a poll and help you guys out. edit: Forgot to say Good luck on getting your tanks. Wont see it for a LONG time. Its ALL SOONtm Heavys only have 2 heavy guns. Please dont turn the NERF bat on them. Give heavys more suits or guns please :D
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 800	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:25:00 - [12] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: If you look at the data released on vehicle changes in 1.7, you can see that vehicles have significantly reduced slot layouts. In my opinion, this strongly implies that we will see advanced and prototype level takes introduced in the near future (not 1.8 but possibly beyond). For now however its best they see how the new standard vehicles handle before adding additional variables to this re-balance effort. Seeing how vehicles will be next update, it wouldn't hurt for ADV to get a slot layout of 4H/2L for Caldari or 2H/4L for Gallente, and PRO tier would get 5H/3L for Caldari and 3H/5L for Gallente but both having a VERY high ISK price like the Black Ops tank (2.6 million ISK for those who don't remember). CCP, promoting exploits with every update LOL Commando LOL Plasma Cannon
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 138	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:33:00 - [13] - Quote With the changes of 1.7 vehicles will be in a new dynamic now so to drop all variants at once would cause more problems than are about to be , because this is just the groundwork that is about to be put to the test . A foundation that once started the basic groundwork will be built upon this framework . Changes will be made and true balancing will take place but this is the foundation that was agreed upon by those in charge of this task . This is not the end but only the beginning . Trust me , a lot of vehicle users will have negative things to say about the changes . That's why I couldn't understand those who immediately gave these changes a " thumbs up " , the probably seen things that they were looking for and just fixated on those things without taking the total make up of what was and is to come into consideration . This is going to be a mess and they know just as well as I do ( I can tell just by looking and reading what was written ) so don't get mad when changes don't come right away or the implementation of the next tier of vehicles because by the time that they unload the next level ( hopefully levels to complete the process , something that I am sure that they are shooting for ) that they are able to make the necessary changes to make the next drop all that much more smoother . This will be a test , not only for CCP but for all of YOU as well so I'm going to say this now , " Be patient and think with a helpful intent and not so much with anger and disappointment , so they can do what is needed to be done . This is not a game for those who aren't willing to display some type of patience and restraint when faced with adversity . Help is always welcomed so try and stay patient and be helpful and observant of any changes that will be needed and keep a mild tone in conveying those thoughts and observances needed for change . This WILL be a test for us all . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
CharCharOdell 1698	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:34:00 - [14] - Quote Probe one of the last things we will see. Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
dogmanpig black market bank 52	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:38:00 - [15] - Quote they haven't found the copy+paste and waiting on the art guy to make a choice, 2E64FE or 2E9AFE for secondary color on the underside left arm brace You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 365	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:52:00 - [16] - Quote Pretty hard balance wise
dogmanpig black market bank 53	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:56:00 - [17] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Pretty hard balance wise not if you plan for it... You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10874	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:56:00 - [18] - Quote Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Electronics =// Unlocked
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1371	Posted - 2013.11.30 05:03:00 - [19] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: All it takes is to give the other tiers a new paint job, increase slot count + more CPU/PG, and handle some things server side. From here the specialization roles would then have it's own tiers like the dropsuit does so why is there no hint of what will the future updates offer for vehicles. All I know is that they'll bring in the pilot suit and return some vehicles back but is that it? Aside from Assault Dropships and Hardeners, there wasn't other GOOD content update for vehicles in a whole year. It will never happen, because infantry won't allow it. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Cosgar ParagonX 8089	Posted - 2013.11.30 05:06:00 - [20] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. Give every drop suit tier the same slot layout they have at prototype but keep the current CPU/PG. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1449	Posted - 2013.11.30 05:07:00 - [21] - Quote Most of the time I suggest ADV and PRO tanks in a tanker thread, people say the idea is idiotic. I don't see why though. Do tankers not like being stronger? However, if we are going to have stronger tanks, then it would only be fair to have stronger AV as well. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10874	Posted - 2013.11.30 05:08:00 - [22] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: All it takes is to give the other tiers a new paint job, increase slot count + more CPU/PG, and handle some things server side. From here the specialization roles would then have it's own tiers like the dropsuit does so why is there no hint of what will the future updates offer for vehicles. All I know is that they'll bring in the pilot suit and return some vehicles back but is that it? Aside from Assault Dropships and Hardeners, there wasn't other GOOD content update for vehicles in a whole year. It will never happen, because infantry won't allow it. Won't allow it? I am more about fighting against the 'unneeded' grind. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Electronics =// Unlocked
dogmanpig black market bank 54	Posted - 2013.11.30 05:08:00 - [23] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. ah so another that wants to remove the MMO side that dust was meant to be. get down to the core roots and dig deep into the lobby shoot side. you can't have any MMO without PVE content, which is something dust never has had, and function without issues. You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1450	Posted - 2013.11.30 05:24:00 - [24] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: All it takes is to give the other tiers a new paint job, increase slot count + more CPU/PG, and handle some things server side. From here the specialization roles would then have it's own tiers like the dropsuit does so why is there no hint of what will the future updates offer for vehicles. All I know is that they'll bring in the pilot suit and return some vehicles back but is that it? Aside from Assault Dropships and Hardeners, there wasn't other GOOD content update for vehicles in a whole year. It will never happen, because infantry won't allow it. While I'm not strictly infantry, I would actually welcome the addition of ADV and PRO HAVs with open arms. However, if CCP does ever decide to implement ADV and PRO HAVs, they would need to buff the Swarm Launcher from where it will be in Uprising 1.7 Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 65	Posted - 2013.11.30 05:28:00 - [25] - Quote 1+ for the title lol Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10875	Posted - 2013.11.30 05:34:00 - [26] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. Give every drop suit tier the same slot layout they have at prototype but keep the current CPU/PG. More like tie the amount of CPU and PG to the suit command skill so at lvl 5 of basic dropsuit command and whatever race it is both you can then fix a decent mix of prototype and advanced gear, while at 1/1 you cannot even fit a single prototype without serious concessions. Keeps the sense of progression but moves it from the suit to the modules instead. Give vehicles similar treatment, as you level their command skills up you get more fitting. Current slot layouts may be a bit too tight but it does allow room for two more races now. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Electronics =// Unlocked
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1371	Posted - 2013.11.30 05:34:00 - [27] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: If you look at the data released on vehicle changes in 1.7, you can see that vehicles have significantly reduced slot layouts. In my opinion, this strongly implies that we will see advanced and prototype level takes introduced in the near future (not 1.8 but possibly beyond). For now however its best they see how the new standard vehicles handle before adding additional variables to this re-balance effort. Seeing how vehicles will be next update, it wouldn't hurt for ADV to get a slot layout of 4H/2L for Caldari or 2H/4L for Gallente, and PRO tier would get 5H/3L for Caldari and 3H/5L for Gallente but both having a VERY high ISK price like the Black Ops tank (2.6 million ISK for those who don't remember). I have absolutely zero problem with paying that, as long as the best counter is the same tier fit to destroy my own hull. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 52	Posted - 2013.11.30 05:36:00 - [28] - Quote I dont think any of my fits even use proto modules yet. All my stuff sits in advanced and I do very well in the games. Im actually really loking forward to using some proto modules in my scout suit. Up that pistol damage by 8.8 Dedicated scout. Caldari loyalist. Pistol supremacy.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1371	Posted - 2013.11.30 05:37:00 - [29] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: All it takes is to give the other tiers a new paint job, increase slot count + more CPU/PG, and handle some things server side. From here the specialization roles would then have it's own tiers like the dropsuit does so why is there no hint of what will the future updates offer for vehicles. All I know is that they'll bring in the pilot suit and return some vehicles back but is that it? Aside from Assault Dropships and Hardeners, there wasn't other GOOD content update for vehicles in a whole year. It will never happen, because infantry won't allow it. While I'm not strictly infantry, I would actually welcome the addition of ADV and PRO HAVs with open arms. However, if CCP does ever decide to implement ADV and PRO HAVs, they would need to buff the Swarm Launcher from where it will be in Uprising 1.7 Or, you know, you could try to take on those tanks with your own.............................................. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Cosgar ParagonX 8089	Posted - 2013.11.30 05:38:00 - [30] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Cosgar wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. Give every drop suit tier the same slot layout they have at prototype but keep the current CPU/PG. More like tie the amount of CPU and PG to the suit command skill so at lvl 5 of basic dropsuit command and whatever race it is both you can then fix a decent mix of prototype and advanced gear, while at 1/1 you cannot even fit a single prototype without serious concessions. Keeps the sense of progression but moves it from the suit to the modules instead. Give vehicles similar treatment, as you level their command skills up you get more fitting. Current slot layouts may be a bit too tight but it does allow room for two more races now. I can get behind that. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1452	Posted - 2013.11.30 05:45:00 - [31] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: All it takes is to give the other tiers a new paint job, increase slot count + more CPU/PG, and handle some things server side. From here the specialization roles would then have it's own tiers like the dropsuit does so why is there no hint of what will the future updates offer for vehicles. All I know is that they'll bring in the pilot suit and return some vehicles back but is that it? Aside from Assault Dropships and Hardeners, there wasn't other GOOD content update for vehicles in a whole year. It will never happen, because infantry won't allow it. While I'm not strictly infantry, I would actually welcome the addition of ADV and PRO HAVs with open arms. However, if CCP does ever decide to implement ADV and PRO HAVs, they would need to buff the Swarm Launcher from where it will be in Uprising 1.7 Or, you know, you could try to take on those tanks with your own.............................................. Alright. I am perfectly capable of destroying enemy tanks with my own tank, but why bother? It just doesn't seem as fun to me as going toe to toe with a vehicle on foot, knowing that one wrong move can land yourself dead. There's just no hype or thrill involved for me anymore. That's why I stopped fielding them every match. They are stupidly boring when you have been doing the same thing for 6+ months. At least infantry can skill into a different suit or different weapon when they want to spice things up. A tanker has about 6 different playstyles to choose from. And three of those six playstyles are horridly UP And not everyone has or wants to use an HAV, nor should they be forced to use one to destroy a tank or any vehicle for that matter. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 940	Posted - 2013.11.30 05:49:00 - [32] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. get rid of std-adv-pro AV, as well So about those vehicle locks...
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1452	Posted - 2013.11.30 05:50:00 - [33] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. get rid of std-adv-pro AV, as well then get rid of vehicles. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 146	Posted - 2013.11.30 05:57:00 - [34] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: If you look at the data released on vehicle changes in 1.7, you can see that vehicles have significantly reduced slot layouts. In my opinion, this strongly implies that we will see advanced and prototype level takes introduced in the near future (not 1.8 but possibly beyond). For now however its best they see how the new standard vehicles handle before adding additional variables to this re-balance effort. Seeing how vehicles will be next update, it wouldn't hurt for ADV to get a slot layout of 4H/2L for Caldari or 2H/4L for Gallente, and PRO tier would get 5H/3L for Caldari and 3H/5L for Gallente but both having a VERY high ISK price like the Black Ops tank (2.6 million ISK for those who don't remember). thats stupid, vehicles are way too much of a grind, pro should be the currently overpriced assault dropships we have now, or 400k, with everything pro it'll cost almost 1 mil, no more than that as 800k for a turret is just ******* stupid recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Kaughst 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 60	Posted - 2013.11.30 05:58:00 - [35] - Quote Atiim wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. get rid of std-adv-pro AV, as well then get rid of vehicles. get rid of mass drivers...and forge guns, ect...Give everyone only access to a AR, shotgun, machine gun or sniper rifle. Redo the whole story and add a evil russian sounding bad guy that you must stop, scale the maps to a 30 by 30 size and last but not least when you have enough points for a orbital it will instead kill everyone on the map and win you the game automatically. Step 1: Take Districts Step 2: ??? Step 3: Profit Cow for Kaughst
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 146	Posted - 2013.11.30 05:58:00 - [36] - Quote Atiim wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. get rid of std-adv-pro AV, as well then get rid of vehicles. or remove adv and pro av then reduce adv and pro forge gun direct damage to std levels there balanced recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 146	Posted - 2013.11.30 06:03:00 - [37] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: All it takes is to give the other tiers a new paint job, increase slot count + more CPU/PG, and handle some things server side. From here the specialization roles would then have it's own tiers like the dropsuit does so why is there no hint of what will the future updates offer for vehicles. All I know is that they'll bring in the pilot suit and return some vehicles back but is that it? Aside from Assault Dropships and Hardeners, there wasn't other GOOD content update for vehicles in a whole year. It will never happen, because infantry won't allow it. While I'm not strictly infantry, I would actually welcome the addition of ADV and PRO HAVs with open arms. However, if CCP does ever decide to implement ADV and PRO HAVs, they would need to buff the Swarm Launcher from where it will be in Uprising 1.7 then STD vehicles will be ****** again and pro hav's would be as usefull as std vehicles in 1.7 recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 146	Posted - 2013.11.30 06:06:00 - [38] - Quote Kaughst wrote: Atiim wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. get rid of std-adv-pro AV, as well then get rid of vehicles. get rid of mass drivers...and forge guns, ect...Give everyone only access to a AR, shotgun, machine gun or sniper rifle. Redo the whole story and add a evil russian sounding bad guy that you must stop, scale the maps to a 30 by 30 size and last but not least when you have enough points for a orbital it will instead kill everyone on the map and win you the game automatically. tactical nuke incoming! oh wait you meant dust.....orbital strike incoming! recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1377	Posted - 2013.11.30 06:39:00 - [39] - Quote Atiim wrote: However, if we are going to have stronger tanks, then it would only be fair to have stronger AV as well. Yeah, the same tier tanks. Not our fault if you can't use them. On what basis do you want this game balanced, anyway? That on one team, in a pub match, there will be 3 tankers, and on the other team, nobody with any AV capability? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
nor asha Turbo Bros inc. 29	Posted - 2013.11.30 06:56:00 - [40] - Quote Zekain K wrote: nor asha wrote: I hope instead they get rid of tiered suits That wont happen. Why not the MCC used to move. There used to be a single skill to boost dropsuit and vehicles shields/pg/cpu/armor. Nothing in this game is static. And you seem to think it could happen to vehicles.

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1377	Posted - 2013.11.30 07:01:00 - [41] - Quote Atiim wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. get rid of std-adv-pro AV, as well then get rid of vehicles. At least you're putting your objective of turning this into a Call of Duty clone out into the open. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
nor asha Turbo Bros inc. 30	Posted - 2013.11.30 07:32:00 - [42] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. : O Btw this is crazy space, Seeing us agree so strongly on something makes me really happy :D the 1st level of logi should unlock the proto logi, but you'd only get 1 level of the bonus per level so you'd want to level it up. Just like tanks in dust and everything in eve online.
nor asha Turbo Bros inc. 30	Posted - 2013.11.30 07:33:00 - [43] - Quote I think we can keep tiered weapons/equipment and gear, eve has meta level gear nothing wrong with that....
nor asha Turbo Bros inc. 32	Posted - 2013.11.30 13:53:00 - [44] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. Give every drop suit tier the same slot layout they have at prototype but keep the current CPU/PG. The genius is the Basic skill can unlock the advanced slot layout and should be given a single bonus in the future. Then the Scout suit skill and Pilot suit skills can unlock prototype strenght dropsuits. Militia level gear would continue to be skill free but now benefit from bonus per level. Maybe be buffed to current standard Basic suits strength and layout.
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 804	Posted - 2013.11.30 14:17:00 - [45] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. Removing it would be the worst thing to happen on Dust, this game needs variety and the tanks certainly do not have much. CCP, promoting exploits with every update LOL Commando LOL Plasma Cannon
nor asha Turbo Bros inc. 33	Posted - 2013.11.30 15:24:00 - [46] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. Removing it would be the worst thing to happen on Dust, this game needs variety and the tanks certainly do not have much. No the point is to introduce more variety by removing the system. Look at Eve online, Copy that.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1805	Posted - 2013.11.30 15:29:00 - [47] - Quote Infantry wont allow it at all Yet they will keep STD-ADV-PRO AV weapons to fight against the basic vehicles You either a) Get rid of all STD-ADV-PRO weapons/mods/suits etc Or b) Make everything have STD-ADV-PRO tiers so its fair to all playstyles
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1646	Posted - 2013.11.30 15:36:00 - [48] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. Give every drop suit tier the same slot layout they have at prototype but keep the current CPU/PG. Why aren't we funding this? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 595	Posted - 2013.11.30 15:40:00 - [49] - Quote we will need proto,proto av weapons to kill proto tanks (yes i said proto twice for a reason). if its going to take a group of proto av to take out normal tanks. what are we going to use on the proto tanks that won't make them op on the basic tanks. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8150	Posted - 2013.11.30 15:42:00 - [50] - Quote Dropping the base amount of primary slots to 3 could indicate that they want to go 3 (standard) 4 (advanced) 5 (prototype), considering that for whatever reason, the max rack size for modules is 5. Prototype dropships? ::faints:: Read / Vid / Stream

Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 1831	Posted - 2013.11.30 15:55:00 - [51] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: All it takes is to give the other tiers a new paint job, increase slot count + more CPU/PG, and handle some things server side. From here the specialization roles would then have it's own tiers like the dropsuit does so why is there no hint of what will the future updates offer for vehicles. All I know is that they'll bring in the pilot suit and return some vehicles back but is that it? Aside from Assault Dropships and Hardeners, there wasn't other GOOD content update for vehicles in a whole year. Maybe once 1.7 drops they can introduce these, but as of now, there cannot be Advanced or Proto tanks because they Madrugar and Gunnlogi (The "Standard" Tanks) each have 5 slots for their tank. This means that Proto Tanks could have up to 5 Low AND High slots, whether it's a Gunnlogi or a Madrugar. But, after 1.7, there should be Proto Tanks. More speed, CPU/PG, and maybe one-two extra slots, all at a very high cost of course When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4139	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:05:00 - [52] - Quote dogmanpig wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. ah so another that wants to remove the MMO side that dust was meant to be. get down to the core roots and dig deep into the lobby shoot side. you can't have any MMO without PVE content, which is something dust never has had, and function without issues. MMO means massively multiplayer online. It just means there are a fuckton of people connected together. It has nothing to do with progression. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1455	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:08:00 - [53] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: we will need proto,proto av weapons to kill proto tanks (yes i said proto twice for a reason). if its going to take a group of proto av to take out normal tanks. what are we going to use on the proto tanks that won't make them op on the basic tanks. You say this as if the pilot community actually cares The sad fact is, most of them really don't care about AV or infantry. Heck, one person is even complaining about not being able to stomp through an entire match when he can have 18-22k eHP in short bursts of time. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4139	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:08:00 - [54] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. Removing it would be the worst thing to happen on Dust, this game needs variety and the tanks certainly do not have much. Variety? Variety = Same suit with MOAR slots and MOAR CPU/PG? Is that what you call variety? Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4139	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:10:00 - [55] - Quote What you people fail to realize is that the 1.7 tanks are designed to withstand PROTO AV. STD AV is practically a joke near them. If anything the tanks we are going to get ARE prototype tanks. Unless of course, Wolfman is crazy and is going to make them absurdly overpowered. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1455	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:11:00 - [56] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. get rid of std-adv-pro AV, as well then get rid of vehicles. At least you're putting your objective of turning this into a Call of Duty clone out into the open. That's not my objective or even close to my desires. I'm just saying, if you get rid of AV, then you need to get rid of vehicles as well. Otherwise, you make vehicles the only counter to themselves with no other possible way to destroy them other than using another vehicle. That creates a game I like to call "Tank 514". Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 144	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:12:00 - [57] - Quote Atiim wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. get rid of std-adv-pro AV, as well then get rid of vehicles. Let get rid of everyone and everything and make this game like the movie , " War Games " where we watch the AI act out combat situations ??? " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1455	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:15:00 - [58] - Quote Kaughst wrote: Atiim wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. get rid of std-adv-pro AV, as well then get rid of vehicles. get rid of mass drivers...and forge guns, ect...Give everyone only access to a AR, shotgun, machine gun or sniper rifle. Redo the whole story and add a evil russian sounding bad guy that you must stop, scale the maps to a 30 by 30 size and last but not least when you have enough points for a orbital it will instead kill everyone on the map and win you the game automatically. F*** No! Are you crazy? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1455	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:19:00 - [59] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Atiim wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. get rid of std-adv-pro AV, as well then get rid of vehicles. Let get rid of everyone and everything and make this game like the movie , " War Games " where we watch the AI act out combat situations ??? I find this funny. A tanker says "Lets get rid of AV and nobody bats an eye" Atiim says "Well then get rid of vehicles" and everybody losses their f***ing minds. If you don't have Anti-Vehicle weaponry , you shouldn't have vehicles to begin with And vice versa, if you don't have vehicles, you shouldn't have Anti-Vehicle weaponry. That's like having a heavy without a scout. Or having scouts without active scanners. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:21:00 - [60] - Quote Atiim wrote: Kaughst wrote: Atiim wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. get rid of std-adv-pro AV, as well then get rid of vehicles. get rid of mass drivers...and forge guns, ect...Give everyone only access to a AR, shotgun, machine gun or sniper rifle. Redo the whole story and add a evil russian sounding bad guy that you must stop, scale the maps to a 30 by 30 size and last but not least when you have enough points for a orbital it will instead kill everyone on the map and win you the game automatically. F*** No! Are you crazy? hey, your the one with the 1st crazy post that everyone is replying too. reap what you sewed Void Echo's Alt Back-up Profile Back on main 12-20-2013

David Spd Caldari State 110	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:23:00 - [61] - Quote nor asha wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. Removing it would be the worst thing to happen on Dust, this game needs variety and the tanks certainly do not have much. No the point is to introduce more variety by removing the old flawed system. The dropsuits should of been following the same pattern... Look at Eve online, Copy that. EVE and Dust are two different games for two different demographs. We REALLY don't need two EVE online games and if you want to play a game like EVE Online then please... go play EVE Online. Just because something works on EVE doesn't mean it will work for Dust and I think most of the problems surrounding this gamecame from CCP trying too hard to translate everything from a space sim into a first person shooter. --> I'm a closed beta vet; I just don't post often <-- "Other people just complicate my life." ~Solid Snake
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1455	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:24:00 - [62] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: hey, your the one with the 1st crazy post that everyone is replying too. reap what you sewed Atiim wrote: A tanker says "Lets get rid of AV and nobody bats an eye" Atiim says "Well then get rid of vehicles" and everybody losses their f***ing minds. If you don't have Anti-Vehicle weaponry , you shouldn't have vehicles to begin with And vice versa, if you don't have vehicles, you shouldn't have Anti-Vehicle weaponry. That's like having a heavy without a scout. Or having scouts without active scanners Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 87	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:24:00 - [63] - Quote David Spd wrote: nor asha wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. Removing it would be the worst thing to happen on Dust, this game needs variety and the tanks certainly do not have much. No the point is to introduce more variety by removing the old flawed system. The dropsuits should of been following the same pattern... Look at Eve online, Copy that. EVE and Dust are two different games for two different demographs. We REALLY don't need two EVE online games and if you want to play a game like EVE Online then please... go play EVE Online. Just because something works on EVE doesn't mean it will work for Dust and I think most of the problems surrounding this gamecame from CCP trying too hard to translate everything from a space sim into a first person shooter. still better than cod Void Echo's Alt Back-up Profile Back on main 12-20-2013
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 1833	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:29:00 - [64] - Quote nor asha wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Rather get rid of STD - ADV - PRO dropsuit concepts instead. : O Btw this is crazy space, Seeing us agree so strongly on something makes me really happy :D the 1st level of logi should unlock the proto logi, but you'd only get 1 level of the bonus per level so you'd want to level it up. Just like tanks in dust and everything in eve online. Terrible idea. Absolutely terrible. And I don't like IWS's idea very much either. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1464	Posted - 2013.11.30 17:50:00 - [65] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: All it takes is to give the other tiers a new paint job, increase slot count + more CPU/PG, and handle some things server side. From here the specialization roles would then have it's own tiers like the dropsuit does so why is there no hint of what will the future updates offer for vehicles. All I know is that they'll bring in the pilot suit and return some vehicles back but is that it? Aside from Assault Dropships and Hardeners, there wasn't other GOOD content update for vehicles in a whole year. It will never happen, because infantry won't allow it. While I'm not strictly infantry, I would actually welcome the addition of ADV and PRO HAVs with open arms. However, if CCP does ever decide to implement ADV and PRO HAVs, they would need to buff the Swarm Launcher from where it will be in Uprising 1.7 then STD vehicles will be ****** again and pro hav's would be as usefull as std vehicles in 1.7 STD gear should be $#!tty when faced against PRO AV. That's why I think we should introduce ADV and PRO AV. What afraid of a bit of challange? Worried that if they were rebalanced for ADV and PRO tanks, you wouldn't be able to stomp and go 32-0? If PRO AV can't even destroy STD tanks, then what good would it do against ADV and PRO tanks. With that ideal, we'd be better off not introducing ADV and PRO tanks. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND


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