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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.28 07:01:00 -
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Let's be real: scout sucks, really bad, only through skill luck and dirty underhanded tactics can you do well in this suit without straight up tanking the *****.
CCP knows scouts suck, the CPM knows scouts suck, and we know scouts suck.
The DEVs tried to help scouts out in 1.6 with a few buffs, and succeeded actually, but the new and improved TTK put a dampening on the good that came from this improvement, for obvious reasons, but that's not what this tread is about.
The point is despite the thrashing we've been taking and past nerfs the DEVs at the very least see the problem and are trying to balence the role once again, which is good, so not all hope is lost.
As long as the DEVs are doing something to improve the class, even if it's only a little at a time, it'll add up to a new and improved product that we can enjoy.
And hopefully the assault guys don't abuse again like most weapons and suits that've been nerffed in the past. 
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 2
A grunt of STB
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
4743
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Posted - 2013.11.28 07:07:00 -
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I swear to whatever deity that may be that if a scout buff consists of tweaking resource pools and a few extra slots instead of powerful role bonuses that actually define battlefield roles, I will punch children.
Like, I will make indents in their faces in the shape of my fist. I want them to explain it to their parents.
"He hit me!"
"No. CCP made you this way, child. Your anger is directed at them, not me."
Never forget
How to fix the Logi
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
995
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Posted - 2013.11.28 07:12:00 -
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I don't know. It's a pain to take me down in the scout suit without constantly scanning me down with an active scanner of at least advanced. The 'Dren' Shotgun is my weapon of choice and I pop mediums in a max of two shots. Heavies at three normally, four max. Lights are one.
I don't armor tank. I don't dampen tank. I'm speed tanking, which is a hell of a lot more frightening than dampen or armor. It's takes a while for my stamina to drain, but even then it is very quick to recharge. I don't charge head on. I flank. I control entire areas because of it. I like lurking around objectives because I can get around it so easily.
It's the scanner that gets me killed. I can't ninja around with them in play. I'm not saying scouts are okay, but I'm also saying they're not bad. It's literally down to the user on the abilities of any suit, Scout included. This also goes for weapons.
SWEET MOTHER OF TERESA ON THE HOOD OF A MERCEDES BENZ, YOU SOUND LIKE A MAJESTIC FUCKING EAGLE! CAN YOU SING?!
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
5551
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Posted - 2013.11.28 07:17:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:I swear to whatever deity that may be that if a scout buff consists of tweaking resource pools and a few extra slots instead of powerful role bonuses that actually define battlefield roles, I will punch children.
Like, I will make indents in their faces in the shape of my fist. I want them to explain it to their parents.
Kid - "He hit me!"
Me - "No. CCP made you this way, child. Your anger is directed at them, not me."
I think you have problems. 
Level 5 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
4744
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Posted - 2013.11.28 07:18:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:I swear to whatever deity that may be that if a scout buff consists of tweaking resource pools and a few extra slots instead of powerful role bonuses that actually define battlefield roles, I will punch children.
Like, I will make indents in their faces in the shape of my fist. I want them to explain it to their parents.
Kid - "He hit me!"
Me - "No. CCP made you this way, child. Your anger is directed at them, not me." I think you have problems.
I know. For some reason, I'm still not a dev.
Never forget
How to fix the Logi
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
989
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Posted - 2013.11.28 07:19:00 -
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the fact that this thread exists...
#shittycoding |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
2446
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Posted - 2013.11.28 07:20:00 -
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mollerz wrote:the fact that this thread exists...
#shittycoding
Just milking what hope I can out of the situation.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 2
A grunt of STB
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
35
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Posted - 2013.11.28 07:22:00 -
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Just imagine that glorious day when we do get buffed though. People will be crying for a nerf of the scouts when we can actually start being dirrectly dangerous instead of indirectly. Of course we can still kill, i mean not having to hide from everyone all the time and actually hit and run.
Dedicated scout. Because the suit is underpowered. Imagine the good ones when we get buffed people ;)
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
989
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Posted - 2013.11.28 07:27:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:mollerz wrote:the fact that this thread exists...
#shittycoding Just milking what hope I can out of the situation.
Dude! I'm your biggest fan right now. |
mollerz
Minja Scouts
989
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Posted - 2013.11.28 07:30:00 -
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Ivy Zalinto wrote:Just imagine that glorious day when we do get buffed though. People will be crying for a nerf of the scouts when we can actually start being dirrectly dangerous instead of indirectly. Of course we can still kill, i mean not having to hide from everyone all the time and actually hit and run.
They created a player base that actually adapts and somehow scores kills despite #shittycoding.
I feel bad for the crutch players who actually think they are gud.
#shittycoding #rudeawakening |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
2524
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Posted - 2013.11.30 10:56:00 -
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bump
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 2
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
781
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:25:00 -
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Personally I hope that CCP makes minor additional tweaks only, as noted in many other threads. I don't want scout/lightframe suits to become easy enough to use that any common merc off the street can pick one up and wreck shop with more speed/health/power/weaponslots/cloaks/etc.... (whatever).
Leave that kind of common denominator bullshit to the medium frame brick tank / duvolle AR guys.
Scouts are the elite hunter/killers, and the users inside the dropsuits are the best of the best - the special ops members of the merc world.
All 'da rest are just grunts, and I'm fine if it stays that way; no need for them to clutter up the registry and I sure don't want any FOTM chumps picking up scout suits.
Am I an elist? Nah, I just think I'm better than the medium frame punks.
So, yes. |
mr musturd
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
141
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Posted - 2013.11.30 16:25:00 -
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All I'm saying is I better never lose my nova knife bonus, I'm in favor of small tweaks to the base stats |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
2015
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Posted - 2013.11.30 16:52:00 -
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The only role I've tried that rivals the scout in terms of required player skill is dropship pilot. I'd rather fail as a lone scout or pilot than succeed as a brick tanked damage spewing one trick pony that only comes out with a pack of friends at my back.
Yes, I'd like to see a balance pass done on the scouts but I hope it remains a rewarding challenge.
// Matari Warrior // Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
2534
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Posted - 2013.11.30 16:52:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:All I'm saying is I better never lose my nova knife bonus, I'm in favor of small tweaks to the base stats
even after the caldari scout is introduced it's bonuses should be to cloaking.
Most likely our NK bonus will be transferred to the Matari version of the blade.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 2
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
Top Men.
330
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Posted - 2013.11.30 17:33:00 -
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Give my scout a 2nd equipment slot and I think I'm golden.
Love passive scanning and dampening.
Let me have a shield bubble/cloak, shield bubble/remotes, cloak/REs and I swear I'll never leave scout again. |
Ridire Greine
151
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Posted - 2013.11.30 17:40:00 -
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Health is perfect, for both Gallente, and Minmatar Scouts.
PG/CPU needs a buff.
Scan Radius needs a buff. (16m -> 25m)
Speed needs a slight buff.
Strafe needs to be made 1:1 with movement (This should be Scout/Light specific, no other suit should get this)
Fall Damage needs to be halved
Scan Precision needs a buff
Remove perfect precision from Objectives
Turrets are unable to target Scouts, unless provoked, or controlled
And of course, we need a role, everything we can do, a Logi can do better, so bring back Squad vision for Scouts only, our results should be shared with our squad, and our squad's results should be shared with us.
Property of Knight SoiaireGäó
Onikanabo Brigade
[VGTG]
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Vell0cet
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
644
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Posted - 2013.11.30 17:47:00 -
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Cloaks will be a game-changer for scouts. I wish CCP would communicate better regarding their timeline.
Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
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Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
95
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:09:00 -
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Message from Godin:
We need:
1: buff to our scan precision
2: removal of the stamina nerf (the last one, not all of them)
3: if cloaks are available to mediums & heavies, they should get decent restrictions when placed onto them. However, to a lesser extent on light and pilot frames, and on Scouts should get no restrictions.
4: a second eq. Slot
5: more EWAR, and a bonus towards said EWAR for each suit, plus a removal for any bonuses Logi's have or might have for said EWAR. |
Quil Evrything
DUST University
Ivy League
438
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:35:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:I don't know. It's a pain to take me down in the scout suit without constantly scanning me down with an active scanner of at least advanced.
you're getting scanned by ADVANCED scanners?? /pssh. your fault.
it takes one lousy militia dampener to make that go away.
if you skilled a little more into scout specifc stuff, you wouldnt even need a module
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Niuvo
NECROM0NGERS
Covert Intervention
838
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:36:00 -
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My ewar scout has 84 shield and 162 armor...yup. I do alright in it. I got Adv precision, complex range, and basic damp. RE, pro knive, bsc smg. I feel good in it, I don't have much to complain these days. The overall game needs to improve, by adding more weapons and suits.
We are a rare breed. |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
F.T.U.
728
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:45:00 -
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Niuvo wrote:My ewar scout has 84 shield and 162 armor...yup. I do alright in it. I got Adv precision, complex range, and basic damp. RE, pro knive, bsc smg. I feel good in it, I don't have much to complain these days. The overall game needs to improve, by adding more weapons and suits.
We are a rare breed.
i don't really care for all that EWAR stuff.
my funnest scout fit would be
Scout gk.0
3 Complex Kinetic Catalyzers
1 Enhanced Armor Rep
1 Complex Shield Extender
CRG-3 Shotgun
Core Flaylock Pistol
my "time to get serious" scout fit would be
Scout gk.0
4 Enhanced Armor Plates
1 Complex Damage Mod
Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifle
Viziam Scrambler Pistol
Compact Nanohive
or all of the above, just switch the weapons for a Viziam Pistol and an Ishukone Assault SMG.
Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
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