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Pokey Dravon wrote:

See the swarm nerf is an interesting one. As a vehicle guy I obviously dread these things because they're so obscenely strong.

I feel the damage nerf is reasonable, the damage output for swarms is insanely high when compared to the amount of damage a vehicle can tank.

The range nerf however is a bit excessive, however it is a little unclear on exactly what it means. To my understanding the "Lock-On Range" has been reduced from 400m to 175m, this much is clear. However what is unclear is if the missile travel distance is 175m or if its actually longer.

If you can only LOCK within 175m but the missiles FLY further than 175m, this leads to an interesting mechanic. Due to the recent decrease in delay between successive locks with a swarm launcher, it is possible to get an entire magazine full of missiles in the air before the first salvo hits. WIth this is mind, it may be possible to Lock a vehicle within the 175m Lock Range, and fire off 2-3 salvos by the time the first one hits.

At this point the vehicle will begin to move and likely get out of the 175m lock range, HOWEVER if the missiles are capable of flying beyond that limit, they'll most likely still hit the vehicle. If this is the case, then the range nerf really isn't that awful. You'll still have to get fairly close in order to lock, but once you do it's almost guaranteed that all of the salvo will connect.

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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1408	Posted - 2013.11.28 05:46:00 - [1] - Quote Are you going to stick with Swarm Launchers after 1.7's flaylock-style nerf? Who s already has FGs as well, and won't be affected by 1.7 as much? And how many of you just realized something about 1.7 and are grinning and picking your teeth with a toothpick? -HAND Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 994	Posted - 2013.11.28 06:46:00 - [2] - Quote There's a lot of people with Forge Guns. A lot. Personally, you couldn't pry the damn thing from my hands even if it shot confetti (as much as I'd seriously would love to confetti people). SWEET MOTHER OF TERESA ON THE HOOD OF A MERCEDES BENZ, YOU SOUND LIKE A MAJESTIC FUCKING EAGLE! CAN YOU SING?!
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz 522	Posted - 2013.11.28 07:01:00 - [3] - Quote I'll test it just to confirm how unviable it is. After that, I'll train a standard Heavy with Proto Forge like everyone else.
ratamaq doc Edge Regiment 154	Posted - 2013.11.28 07:04:00 - [4] - Quote I'll still use them, AV Nades also. The vehicle killing will change, but the weapons to do it with will not. Most of the time when I tank hunt it's not from a mountain top, it's from an LAV to get up close and personal, alpha with AV and finishing off with swarms. I know with hit detection being added to turrets I won't be able to dodge them as well, but I can also read stats that tell me there will be windows of opportunity to attack. Swarms and AV Nades may be getting a perceived nerf, but it is in line with the learning curve tank drivers will go through learning their new advantages and disadvantages. Remember, the days of hardener cycling while repping will be gone for them with the loss of their slots.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1118	Posted - 2013.11.28 07:11:00 - [5] - Quote See the swarm nerf is an interesting one. As a vehicle guy I obviously dread these things because they're so obscenely strong. I feel the damage nerf is reasonable, the damage output for swarms is insanely high when compared to the amount of damage a vehicle can tank. The range nerf however is a bit excessive, however it is a little unclear on exactly what it means. To my understanding the "Lock-On Range" has been reduced from 400m to 175m, this much is clear. However what is unclear is if the missile travel distance is 175m or if its actually longer. If you can only LOCK within 175m but the missiles FLY further than 175m, this leads to an interesting mechanic. Due to the recent decrease in delay between successive locks with a swarm launcher, it is possible to get an entire magazine full of missiles in the air before the first salvo hits. WIth this is mind, it may be possible to Lock a vehicle within the 175m Lock Range, and fire off 2-3 salvos by the time the first one hits. At this point the vehicle will begin to move and likely get out of the 175m lock range, HOWEVER if the missiles are capable of flying beyond that limit, they'll most likely still hit the vehicle. If this is the case, then the range nerf really isn't that awful. You'll still have to get fairly close in order to lock, but once you do it's almost guaranteed that all of the salvo will connect. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 145	Posted - 2013.11.28 07:12:00 - [6] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: I'll test it just to confirm how unviable it is. After that, I'll train a standard Heavy with Proto Forge like everyone else. my python will blow you up like everyone else recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 275	Posted - 2013.11.28 07:17:00 - [7] - Quote Bring back dumbfire nuff said How to make a Heavy Laser: 1.Take laser 2.Make it REALLY BIG 3.Give it to the heavy sobbing quietly in the corner.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1119	Posted - 2013.11.28 07:27:00 - [8] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Bring back dumbfire nuff said Would that not render the plasma cannon even more useless? ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
ratamaq doc Edge Regiment 155	Posted - 2013.11.28 07:34:00 - [9] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: See the swarm nerf is an interesting one. As a vehicle guy I obviously dread these things because they're so obscenely strong. I feel the damage nerf is reasonable, the damage output for swarms is insanely high when compared to the amount of damage a vehicle can tank. The range nerf however is a bit excessive, however it is a little unclear on exactly what it means. To my understanding the "Lock-On Range" has been reduced from 400m to 175m, this much is clear. However what is unclear is if the missile travel distance is 175m or if its actually longer. If you can only LOCK within 175m but the missiles FLY further than 175m, this leads to an interesting mechanic. Due to the recent decrease in delay between successive locks with a swarm launcher, it is possible to get an entire magazine full of missiles in the air before the first salvo hits. WIth this is mind, it may be possible to Lock a vehicle within the 175m Lock Range, and fire off 2-3 salvos by the time the first one hits. At this point the vehicle will begin to move and likely get out of the 175m lock range, HOWEVER if the missiles are capable of flying beyond that limit, they'll most likely still hit the vehicle. If this is the case, then the range nerf really isn't that awful. You'll still have to get fairly close in order to lock, but once you do it's almost guaranteed that all of the salvo will connect. I've never got three salvos off before the first hit at any distance on a tank. Two if the distance is great, but most of the time I only fire one at a distance as a faint to get you to activate your module. Then I reload and hop in my LAV to get close to you in the hopes that I reach you during cool down. I'm getting better at guessing which modules you are running based on your HP. If you are maddy with over 6k I know you are not running hardeners and will be an easy kill. If you are a maddy with around 4k I hunt you differently.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1120	Posted - 2013.11.28 07:51:00 - [10] - Quote ratamaq doc wrote: I'm getting better at guessing which modules you are running based on your HP. If you are maddy with over 6k I know you are not running hardeners and will be an easy kill. If you are a maddy with around 4k I hunt you differently. Good! That's how AV guys should think. I hunt tanks with standard AV because I know how to analyze their fit based off their visible stats, mainly because I've done countless fits and understand each's weakness. I don't mind being killed by AV, I just want them to have as hard of a time doing it as I do trying to stay alive. As it is I find it much easier to kill HAVs than I do piloting them. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes

ratamaq doc Edge Regiment 156	Posted - 2013.11.28 07:51:00 - [11] - Quote Atiim wrote: Are you going to stick with Swarm Launchers after 1.7's flaylock-style nerf? Who s already has FGs as well, and won't be affected by 1.7 as much? And how many of you just realized something about 1.7 and are grinning and picking your teeth with a toothpick? -HAND I just noticed your last question. Yes with this change, hopefully there is a piece of gear I'm highly skilled in that will make a big comeback.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 394	Posted - 2013.11.28 07:58:00 - [12] - Quote I use primarily my FG for tanks and swarms for DS's. Not sure once this change happens but i imagine i will use my FG for DS's even more.
sQuatch78 Ultramarine Corp 25	Posted - 2013.11.28 08:08:00 - [13] - Quote I use them rarely, but I love my swarms and gonna stick with them . Must be be doing something wrong, because I have a hard time currently killing tanks and drop ships on my own, other than the basic versions that is. Usually shield or armor mods kick in before my final volley hits. Combine that with the 4 Ds (Dodge, Duck, Dive and Dodge) of good pilots, and taking them out solo is pretty difficult. Which is as it should be, in my opinion. Haven't looked at the new change yet. But doubt I'll spec into another weapon just to take out tanks. The audio and visual of swarms are just to much fun. "We are the slayers of kings, the destroyers of worlds, bringers of ruination and death in all its forms." Cato Sicarius
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 936	Posted - 2013.11.28 08:56:00 - [14] - Quote Light weapon = light vehicles heavy weapons = heavy vehicles What the fox say?
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1121	Posted - 2013.11.28 09:10:00 - [15] - Quote sQuatch78 wrote: I use them rarely, but I love my swarms and gonna stick with them . Must be be doing something wrong, because I have a hard time currently killing tanks and drop ships on my own, other than the basic versions that is. Usually shield or armor mods kick in before my final volley hits. Combine that with the 4 Ds (Dodge, Duck, Dive and Dodge) of good pilots, and taking them out solo is pretty difficult. Which is as it should be, in my opinion. Haven't looked at the new change yet. But doubt I'll spec into another weapon just to take out tanks. The audio and visual of swarms are just to much fun. Take this advice coming from a tanker. The only way a vehicle can regenerate its HP quickly is with active modules, these modules have a duration and then a cooldown before they can be used again. Use the cooldown time to your advantage. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 178	Posted - 2013.11.28 10:33:00 - [16] - Quote I have swarm launchers, but not maxed out yet - up to proficiency 4 on them, I still need to up the ammo count and reduce the reload time a little bit.... but seeing as it's the only AV I have (don't have forge gun), then yeah I'll probably still use it afterwards... I use the 'Dren" launcher a lot, but sometimes take out my proto launcher....
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 876	Posted - 2013.11.28 10:40:00 - [17] - Quote Heck yes I am! I usually Swarm tanks from about 3m away, and sometimes kill myself with the splash damage. 3 AV nades plus couple Swarms kills anything. I've even jumped on top on enemy tanks and rode around the map for a few minutes and when the game threatens to kick me for AFK-ing I pull out my swarm and blast the son of b*tch into the ground! You bring your HAV out on my field, it's probably not getting off in one piece unless you can recall it. And sometimes, I'll even pay for the HAVs I destroyed just to run it in... (except you legend345, I honestly did feel bad about doing that to you today) But seriously, can't you people see through CCP's garbage? All this revamp to vehicles in the game is just to make up and cover up for the vast number of mechanical issues vehicles have. You're STILL going to get blown up by invisible swarms You're STILL going to have lousy hit detection(hence why blasters will now have splash damage) You're STILL going to have rendering problems where enemies vanish off the map Vehicles aren't getting fixed, the same way shotguns didn't truly get fixed.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 876	Posted - 2013.11.28 10:46:00 - [18] - Quote sQuatch78 wrote: I use them rarely, but I love my swarms and gonna stick with them . Must be be doing something wrong, because I have a hard time currently killing tanks and drop ships on my own, other than the basic versions that is. Usually shield or armor mods kick in before my final volley hits. Combine that with the 4 Ds (Dodge, Duck, Dive and Dodge) of good pilots, and taking them out solo is pretty difficult. Which is as it should be, in my opinion. Haven't looked at the new change yet. But doubt I'll spec into another weapon just to take out tanks. The audio and visual of swarms are just to much fun. You're 100% right. When the mechanical issues of vehicles actually work, their is no stopping them.
Name York 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 81	Posted - 2013.11.28 11:20:00 - [19] - Quote ratamaq doc wrote: I'm getting better at guessing which modules you are running based on your HP. If you are maddy with over 6k I know you are not running hardeners and will be an easy kill. If you are a maddy with around 4k I hunt you differently. What? You can get over 6k armor and still have two hardeners, and a heavy repper. Much to learn, you have, young grasshopper.
Jammer Jalapeno BIG BAD W0LVES 71	Posted - 2013.11.28 11:31:00 - [20] - Quote Hell yea I'm still going to use it. I'm not worried about a lil nerf. MmMmMm TanKs....delicious TanKs



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