DUST Search - Announcement:New Dev Blog: A Revealing Look at In-game Events for DUST 514

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Which brings us to the last point in this dev blog, and that is whether the SP events should have its passive skill point gain increased to account for the increased weekly skill point cap. The contention here is that by increasing the weekly cap on the amount of skill points players can get during a SP event, which by itself means that players need to play a lot more i.e. grind in order to maximize their gain. We soften this grind by increasing the amount of active skill point gain per battle but leave the passive skill point gain as is during a SP event. This is because we want to avoid players who will exploit this by simply joining a battle and then remain idle.

However, there has been a great deal of community feedback with regards to whether the increased active skill point gain is high enough to avoid unduly long grinds during the event, and with many people recommending that the rate should be increased. After the community presented a range of numbers showing their position, we decided to crunch the numbers again ourselves. What we have found is that at three times the normal active skill point gain during a SP event (with the weekly skill point cap increased by a multiple of three) it will take the average player over 30 hours of game play to maximize his/her skill point gain. We think this was a little high.

To remedy this we are planning to increase the rate of active skill point gain by a multiple of five for future SP events and then review the results.

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CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 3483	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:10:00 - [1] - Quote Ever wondered how an event in DUST 514 is designed? Here we peel back the cover and explain what goes on every week with the events team. Read on to find out more. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics

Musta Tornius Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 664	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:13:00 - [2] - Quote We want to know more about the upcoming combat rifle trials! Also Logibro, you accepting event ideas? :) Dust514 Weapon Range & Information
DarthMcFizzle Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:13:00 - [3] - Quote Combat Rifle trials??
Tim Rapp Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 35	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:16:00 - [4] - Quote this is great... do you now when the 5x sp events would come into play?
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1296	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:17:00 - [5] - Quote be point of interst in that whole dev blog was the 5x sp gain for future triple sp events. amazingly positive news.
Pr0phetzReck0ning Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 79	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:21:00 - [6] - Quote What a waste of a blog. No one wants to hear about how you come up with Event ideas. Any intelligent person can figure that out. "A group of you get together and discuss interesting events that involve doing x/ x &y in order to get z (the reward). You COULD have given us a taste of the new events you have in the works, instead of name dropping the Combat Rifle trials and leaving it at that. -_-
Ripley Riley 68	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:35:00 - [7] - Quote This could have been two bullet points: Combat Rifle trials are coming x5 active SP during SP events Please let us have more information on 1.7. That would be greatly appreciated. No paid respecs without massive SP penalties.
Name York 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 77	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:36:00 - [8] - Quote Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote: What a waste of a blog. No one wants to hear about how you come up with Event ideas. Any intelligent person can figure that out. "A group of you get together and discuss interesting events that involve doing x/ x &y in order to get z (the reward). You COULD have given us a taste of the new events you have in the works, instead of name dropping the Combat Rifle trials and leaving it at that. -_- I read it, as will many others. You don't care? Then don't read or post here. On a different note, 5x sp to reduce the grind sounds amazing and I'm glad CCP took the player base's idea.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 250	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:36:00 - [9] - Quote Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote: What a waste of a blog. No one wants to hear about how you come up with Event ideas. Any intelligent person can figure that out. "A group of you get together and discuss interesting events that involve doing x/ x &y in order to get z (the reward). You COULD have given us a taste of the new events you have in the works, instead of name dropping the Combat Rifle trials and leaving it at that. -_- Just about any and all devblogs are appreciated. The fact that you did not find this one interesting doesn't mena the rest of us did not like it. an easy fix to Matchmaking

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 3486	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:42:00 - [10] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: We want to know more about the upcoming combat rifle trials! Also Logibro, you accepting event ideas? :) Always. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics


Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1979	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:49:00 - [11] - Quote Let me continue the prairie dogging and say, "Combat Rifle trials?" Sure, it'll just be use CR and get better CR but I'll be there, man. I'll be there. // Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // https://twitter.com/reesnoturana
Kahn Zo Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 112	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:51:00 - [12] - Quote calisk galern wrote: be point of interst in that whole dev blog was the 5x sp gain for future triple sp events. amazingly positive news. ^ this. TY ccp. Pure Gallente
Absolute Idiom II SyNergy Gaming EoN. 889	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:04:00 - [13] - Quote Can I get some credit for pointing out calmly and clearly (with charts!) that the grind was too excessive during the triple and double SP event you ran previously? Here's the charts I posted on those occasions. I even suggested the 5SP per WP! http://i.imgur.com/SzTbIb6.png?1 http://i.imgur.com/ukxHabM.png?1 Fanfest 2012 - Winning Team + MVP - £1100 in prizes Fanfest 2013 - Winning Team - £500 in prizes Fanfest 2014 - ???
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 587	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:23:00 - [14] - Quote sansha's slay event for next christmas unless you can fit it in this year but doubtful. sansha's slay lav or hav - made in sanshas unique style. spikes galore sansha's blade - i imagine them looking like freddys gloves but damage based on blades blades sansha's snowball grenade - these deadly devices act like normal grenades but explode in a blast of snow much like a flux blast. while these do not do any damage they do block vision for a short period of time. a direct hit will catch the grenade and add it to your salvage at the end of the fight sansha's blizzard missile turret - this item is a tank turret which uses snowball grenades as ammo but fires them like any other missile. these do no damage but have the same effect as snowball grenades. this turret can gain assist to make up for no dps. sansha's sack nano hive - restocks snowball grenades only to both ground and tank units all these items would be only available for the event and then disappear once over https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 703	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:35:00 - [15] - Quote The 5x Active SP is great news. Thanks for listen to the community feedback. o7 30hrs before to grind out?? Some of us have full time jobs remember lol. 20hrs is still a little excessive but achievable. Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot CEO of DUST University
GENERAL FCF Sentinels of New Eden 19	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:42:00 - [16] - Quote Never thought of that changed in triple SP events but I like the changes
Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 568	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:49:00 - [17] - Quote There's something humorous about a game's own designers referring to it as a "grind". Even so, nice blog CCP! Looking forward to the Combat Rifle Trials. I still want a true 3x SP week again some day, maybe huh, huh? The Dust 514 AFK song Plasma Cannon FTW
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2400	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:53:00 - [18] - Quote Combat rifle trials huh, the Matari in me is interested. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 A grunt of STB
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 3947	Posted - 2013.11.27 20:02:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Musta Tornius wrote: We want to know more about the upcoming combat rifle trials! Also Logibro, you accepting event ideas? :) Always. First off I want to thank CCP for being receptive toward our feedback and making changes (in particular the SP rewards for participation in battles) this is going a long way to helping make this game great! As for ideas, I'd love to see a return of the live events meshing with the in-game world as we had up until Caldari Prime with our actions determining the outcome of these events. It seems that, now that we are able to choose a side in Faction Warfare, we no longer have live events with which the side choosing is meaningful and engaging! I Support SP Rollover ^_^

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 3492	Posted - 2013.11.27 20:10:00 - [20] - Quote Absolute Idiom II wrote: Can I get some credit for pointing out calmly and clearly (with charts!) that the grind was too excessive during the triple and double SP event you ran previously? Here's the charts I posted on those occasions. I even suggested the 5SP per WP! http://i.imgur.com/SzTbIb6.png?1 http://i.imgur.com/ukxHabM.png?1 /me hands Absolute Idiom II three credits CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics


Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1203	Posted - 2013.11.27 20:24:00 - [21] - Quote Blog Awesomesauce wrote: To remedy this we are planning to increase the rate of active skill point gain by a multiple of five for future SP events and then review the results. ... This should bring down the grind considerably and encourage more players to take advantage of future SP events without having to grind excessively. CCP, I want to kiss you. Let me just figure out how to take my helmet off first... Great work guys, and thanks for listening to the community! ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 200/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 858	Posted - 2013.11.27 20:48:00 - [22] - Quote I are like events! Keep it up! /c DUSTBoard - Mercenary sheets DUSTSearch - DUST Forum mirror

itsmellslikefish DIOS EX. Top Men. 689	Posted - 2013.11.27 21:02:00 - [23] - Quote 2x isk event? Selling dignity for isk Join DIOS EX
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 286	Posted - 2013.11.27 21:45:00 - [24] - Quote CCP wrote: Which brings us to the last point in this dev blog, and that is whether the SP events should have its passive skill point gain increased to account for the increased weekly skill point cap. The contention here is that by increasing the weekly cap on the amount of skill points players can get during a SP event, which by itself means that players need to play a lot more i.e. grind in order to maximize their gain. We soften this grind by increasing the amount of active skill point gain per battle but leave the passive skill point gain as is during a SP event. This is because we want to avoid players who will exploit this by simply joining a battle and then remain idle. However, there has been a great deal of community feedback with regards to whether the increased active skill point gain is high enough to avoid unduly long grinds during the event, and with many people recommending that the rate should be increased. After the community presented a range of numbers showing their position, we decided to crunch the numbers again ourselves. What we have found is that at three times the normal active skill point gain during a SP event (with the weekly skill point cap increased by a multiple of three) it will take the average player over 30 hours of game play to maximize his/her skill point gain. We think this was a little high. To remedy this we are planning to increase the rate of active skill point gain by a multiple of five for future SP events and then review the results. For heaven's sake stop using 'passive skill point gain' and 'active skill point gain' in this ambiguous way. 'Passive skill point gain' usually refers to the 24,000SP per day we get regardless of whether we log on or not, but here and elsewhere (e.g. the announcement for the previous event) you use it to refer to the SP gained from time in battle. Similarly, 'active skill point gain' usually refers to the total SP gain from battle (warpoints+time in battle), but here and elsewhere you use it only to refer to the warpoint-based SP. How can you expect to be able to communicate your plans to players effectively when you don't even use terms consistently? The previous event was a case in point. People assumed that the increase WOULD apply to battle time SP as you'd said that 'active SP gain' would increase and only 'passive SP gain' wouldn't increase. They were then understandably annoyed when it turned out that you meant that it was only warpoint SP that would increase, and battle time SP (which is actually part of active SP) would stay the same. TL;DR Please stop using 'passive SP' to refer to battle time SP. Just call battle time SP battle time SP. Also stop using 'active SP' to refer to warpoint SP. Just call warpoint SP warpoint SP.
Absolute Idiom II SyNergy Gaming EoN. 892	Posted - 2013.11.27 21:59:00 - [25] - Quote ^^ pretty good way to reduce ambiguity Fanfest 2012 - Winning Team + MVP - £1100 in prizes Fanfest 2013 - Winning Team - £500 in prizes Fanfest 2014 - ???
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 475	Posted - 2013.11.27 22:04:00 - [26] - Quote Yes, thank you for the changes to upcoming triple SP events and for ignoring the people who obviously don't have jobs or kids who tried to shout down Absolute Idiom, Aero Yassavi, and yes, I'm putting in a plug for myself as well for crunching the numbers on the time needed to gain the total SP. This sort of thing helps keep our faith in CCP and is appreciated. Also, I would like to know about the combat rifle trials as well. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 184	Posted - 2013.11.27 22:37:00 - [27] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: The 5x Active SP is great news. Thanks for listen to the community feedback. o7 30hrs before to grind out?? Some of us have full time jobs remember lol. 20hrs is still a little excessive but achievable. Yeah, this is the first dev blog my wife is happy about. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
David Spd Caldari State 109	Posted - 2013.11.27 22:45:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Ever wondered how an event in DUST 514 is designed? Here we peel back the cover and explain what goes on every week with the events team. Read on to find out more. You mean CCP actually puts THOUGHT into these events...? Wow.... --> I'm a closed beta vet; I just don't post often <-- "Other people just complicate my life." ~Solid Snake
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 589	Posted - 2013.11.27 23:00:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Musta Tornius wrote: We want to know more about the upcoming combat rifle trials! Also Logibro, you accepting event ideas? :) Always. Officer weapon events. Kill X amount of players to with your weapon archetype(AR,HMG,FG,SR,SMG,SP) to earn a officer weapon package of that type. Or even use some of the balacs dropsuits for an event. What we want from events is, either useful stuff(SP, proto weapons) or unique stuff(unique dropsuits/weapons like officer variants) You could even release BPOs in the future through event requirements. You guys have access to things we all want, take advantage of that. AUR proto equipment/weapons/dropsuits are also great incentives. More of your events should be based on individual players to give them their own needed equipment as well, as our largest complaint is some events being useless. This could be achieved by either the first way I presented or another way like- FW compensation event! For every 3 of the same loadouts you use in a row while playing FW, 1 will be refunded to you instantly! Players just want an event that really benefits us, and thats generally only done by unique/proto stuff or SP.
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 834	Posted - 2013.11.28 00:21:00 - [30] - Quote 5x SP events? Now that's a step in the right direction towards avoiding long grinds! "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32

Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1992	Posted - 2013.11.28 00:37:00 - [31] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Officer weapon events. Kill X amount of players to with your weapon archetype(AR,HMG,FG,SR,SMG,SP) to earn a officer weapon package of that type. Or even use some of the balacs dropsuits for an event. An officer weapon event would generate a lot of interest and I like your idea of a package. Reach a goal and get ten weapons so that the grind is finite. They'll need to fill out the officer variants though. // Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // https://twitter.com/reesnoturana
Leithe Askarii Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 45	Posted - 2013.11.28 01:57:00 - [32] - Quote Yet still events are boring and stale and have no meaning in New Eden. Where are the planet side interventions between empires, pirate groups, and such we came to expect post Caldari Prime. No current even has been as good as that one was....and that one was sooooo very very good!
Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 988	Posted - 2013.11.28 04:26:00 - [33] - Quote I think its great that you got to the point that we don't like the grind, kudos. Now if you could only make paid boosters increase active sp gain and you might sell more of those =) the only worrying part of the entire blog was "This is because we want to avoid players who will exploit this by simply joining a battle and then remain idle." The premise that you have to make it harder on the ones following the rules to try to hinder those not just seems to me to be the wrong way to make your players happy. The event had the opposite effect of making players afk. Why don't we tackle the entire reason for afk? you could effectively eliminate most of the afk by actually phasing out passive battle sp to active sp bonuses as you character moves up the sp scale. At higher level 10m SP+ you would basically have no battle sp but your active sp would be slightly higher. This type of scale would start out with really high passive battle sp and each level you go up, it slowly decreases and weans newer players off free sp basically. GÇá Havok Core - Closed Beta Corp - Accepting Applications Here GÇá CEO // [email protected]
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1796	Posted - 2013.11.28 06:10:00 - [34] - Quote if the cap is raised the SP per WP needs raised twice as much as the cap is ie x3 Cap= x6 SP per WP. Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
D34NOS MAZDA WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 243	Posted - 2013.11.28 08:17:00 - [35] - Quote Now 5x active SP is a step in the right direction but i think that it will need to go a little further to still not make it a grind. I think that we should get another triple SP event at the start of december to test out the new numbers.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1484	Posted - 2013.11.28 09:02:00 - [36] - Quote :( needs a picture The answer is "ForgeGun"... doesnt matter what the question is...
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 583	Posted - 2013.11.28 09:20:00 - [37] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Musta Tornius wrote: We want to know more about the upcoming combat rifle trials! Also Logibro, you accepting event ideas? :) Always. Do we submit these ideas on the forums or directly to CCP? Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Mark Twain
TheDarthMa94 The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 15	Posted - 2013.11.28 09:22:00 - [38] - Quote Looks kike i have to save some Skill Booster for the 5x sp event then. For country, for glory, for friends, for tea bagging and for The New Age Outlaws!!!
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 583	Posted - 2013.11.28 09:32:00 - [39] - Quote TheDarthMa94 wrote: Looks kike i have to save some Skill Booster for the 5x sp event then. I bought a couple of 7-day Active Omega boosters for just such an occasion. Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Mark Twain
Cass Caul 379	Posted - 2013.11.28 10:23:00 - [40] - Quote Could you guys create an event where you benifit more from wearing basic/STD gear than you do from running proto-suits? that would be cool. and a lot different from all the current events. This week, in players chasing for the Quafe suits, I've seen multple people quit the game from being protostomped more than usual. Events that you want to use proto gear in are bad for player retention. +Éß¦ëddGêÇ -çou -Äll+É-çoGö¦ A girl, on the internet?! I roll to disbelieve.

Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 716	Posted - 2013.11.28 12:45:00 - [41] - Quote @Combat Rifle Trials Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1541423#post1541423 CCP Blowout wrote: (...)What I can tell you is that you guys should make sure you verify your email address at http://www.dust514.com/user because for our free item, we're giving away something entirely new to all our verified email newsletter subscribers - something that is being added into 1.7 - and this will be coming your way in the second week of December! How many Combat Rifles BPCs are we going to get? Are they going to be "no-skill" AUR versions? F.E.A.R. stands for False Expectations Assumed Real
D34NOS MAZDA WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 245	Posted - 2013.11.28 12:58:00 - [42] - Quote Timothy Reaper wrote: TheDarthMa94 wrote: Looks kike i have to save some Skill Booster for the 5x sp event then. I bought a couple of 7-day Active Omega boosters for just such an occasion. Still got 5 in my assets
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 284	Posted - 2013.11.28 13:22:00 - [43] - Quote Leithe Askarii wrote: Yet still events are boring and stale and have no meaning in New Eden. Where are the planet side interventions between empires, pirate groups, and such we came to expect post Caldari Prime. No current even has been as good as that one was....and that one was sooooo very very good! Oh I really loved the Caldari prime event. I just wished we could choose sides during this event and get a news flash showing our progress in getting or loosing districts for our side...
jamstar saa187 the third day Public Disorder. 60	Posted - 2013.11.28 14:00:00 - [44] - Quote this only works if the 5x SP is NOT applied to the cap, just the in-battle multiplier. if the cap is also raised by 5x then the grind gets worse. the former was implied in the Dev Blog, but not explicitly said in terms of: "5x Sp for Active in-battle WP in a 3x Sp Cap event" thumbs up for the effort guys, your acknowledgement of the communities (useful) feedback is appreciated.
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 587	Posted - 2013.11.29 08:22:00 - [45] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Musta Tornius wrote: We want to know more about the upcoming combat rifle trials! Also Logibro, you accepting event ideas? :) Always. Let's help out Logibro! Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Mark Twain
Eris Ernaga State Patriots 817	Posted - 2013.11.29 09:21:00 - [46] - Quote A tournament against the Devs. For Caldari and Amarr faction warfare join State Patriots and help us on the front.
Vell0cet SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 655	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:36:00 - [47] - Quote Link still works but is no longer appearing in dev blog section of the main site. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
Fristname Family name The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 29	Posted - 2013.12.05 12:44:00 - [48] - Quote Just curious will we, get a cristmas present if we sign in on cristmas day? A booster pack or 2 or mybye a exclusive package with a few blueprints in it and some suits? I hope its candy! XD ___________killing tanks since 1989______ Hershal noooooooo :( ( walking dead
Guinevere Bravo SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 465	Posted - 2013.12.05 12:48:00 - [49] - Quote Good read there. As one of the die-hard Minmatar players (Check my SP allocation and FW stats if you can!!), I would love to trial a combat rifle! Im even saving SP for it already!!


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