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Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 25	Posted - 2013.11.27 14:58:00 - [1] - Quote According to certain members of the community Logis should not use any of the following. Militia Militia Sniper Rifle Standard 'Covenant' Sniper Rifle 'Farsight' Sniper Rifle GÇïSniper Rifle Tactical Sniper Rifle Advanced GÇï'Downwind' C15-A Tactical Sniper Rifle 'Genesis' NT-511 Sniper Rifle C15-A Tactical Sniper Rifle C27-N Specialist Sniper Rifle NT-511 Sniper Rifle Prototype GÇï'Corona Ishukone Sniper Rifle 'Horizon' Kaalakiota Sniper Rifle 'Surgepoint' Six Kin Sniper Rifle Ishukone Sniper Rifle Kaalakiota Tactical Sniper Rifle Lai Dai Compact Sniper Rifle Roden Sniper Rifle Charge Sniper Rifle Militia Militia Shotgun Standard 'Chimera' Shotgun 'Dren' Shotgun Breach Shotgun Shotgun Specialist Shotgun Advanced GÇï'Cerberus' CRG-3 Shotgun CRG-3 Shotgun K5 Specialist Shotgun KR-17 Breach Shotgun Prototype GÇï'Hydra' CreoDron Shotgun Allotek Breach Shotgun CreoDron Shotgun Duvolle Specialist Shotgun Standard Mass Driver Breach Mass Driver 'Tsunami' Mass Driver Advanced EXO-5 Mass Driver EC-3 Assault Mass Driver EK-A2 Breach Mass Driver GÇï 'Cyclone' EXO-5 Mass Driver Prototype Freedom Mass Driver 'Avalanche' Freedom Mass Driver 'Construct' Freedom Mass Driver Boundless Assault Mass Driver Core Breach Mass Driver Standard Laser Rifle Advanced ELM-7 Laser Rifle Prototype Viziam Laser Rifle ilitia Militia Assault Rifle Standard Recruit Assault Rifle 'Toxin' Assault Rifle 'Blindfire' Assault Rifle 'Dren' Assault Rifle 'Exile' Assault Rifle Assault Rifle Breach Assault Rifle Burst Assault Rifle Tactical Assault Rifle Advanced 'Gorewreck' GK-13 Burst Assault Rifle 'Killswitch' GEK-38 Assault Rifle G7-M Compact Assault Rifle GB-9 Breach Assault Rifle GEK-38 Assault Rifle GK-13 Burst Assault Rifle GLU-5 Tactical Assault Rifile Prototype GÇï'Codewish' Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle 'Hollowsight' Carthum Assault Rifle 'Stormside' Roden Assault Rifle Allotek Burst Assault Rifle CreoDron Breach Assault Rifle Duvolle Assault Rifle Officer Balac's GAR-21 Assault Rifle Krin's SIN-11 Assault Rifle Militia Militia Swarm Launcher Standard 'Dren' Swarm Launcher 'Scattermind' Swarm Launcher Assault Swarm Launcher Specialist Swarm Launcher Swarm Launcher Advanced GÇï'Darkside' CBR7 Swarm Launcher Scramkit CBR-112 Breach Swarm Launcher CBR-112 Specialist Swarm Launcher CBR7 Swarm Launcher CFG-129 Assault Swarm Launcher Prototype GÇï'Haywire' Wiyrkomi Swarm Launcher 'Mimicry' CreoDron Tactical Swarm Launcher 'Weavemind' Roden Swarm Launcher Ishukone Assault Swarm Launcher Wiyrkomi specialist Swarm Launcher Wiyrkomi Swarm Launcher and believe that forbidding the use of these wapons to logis will help the game. I propose instead, to buff the assault suits armor and shields, so that they are on the same total level of eHP. *I fly I shoot I rep I tank/ Heavy, Scout, Assault and Logi at range/ I'm the Jack of all trades/ Master of Some
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1397	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:00:00 - [2] - Quote Yes please Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Foundation Seldon Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords 229	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:04:00 - [3] - Quote So where's the proof that this is a stupid idea? A long list? 1.7 LAVs - Thoughts and Discussion
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8046	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:05:00 - [4] - Quote Listing all the variants doesn't change anything. I don't think removing light weapons is the answer either, but your reasoning is....just....lol. Read / Vid / Stream
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1173	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:06:00 - [5] - Quote Where is this "proof" you mentioned?? All I saw was an incomplete listing of Light Weapons Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Ripley Riley 61	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:07:00 - [6] - Quote When a dropsuit, module, or weapon is OVERpowered you do not increase the power of everything else. This leads to power creep (see: WoW). As a developer you must sometimes nerf the feature or item that is too powerful to bring it in line with the its peers. It won't win you any popularity contests with your players, but it must be done. Also, the forums are having a hissy fit over something hasn't even been confirmed by CCP yet. Someone in CCP just said that a change will occur that will make logis less of a slayer and more of a support dropsuit. That's it. We don't even know specifics yet. No paid respecs without massive SP penalties.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 751	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:07:00 - [7] - Quote While I don't particularly agree with exchanging the Logi's light weapon slot for a sidearm slot, a list of weapons is hardly proof. The exact same could be done for heavy weapons on non-heavy suits. Still doesn't make a compelling argument for allowing scouts to run around with HMGs (as fun as that would be). !
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1790	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:07:00 - [8] - Quote Finally someone who sees what will happen if logis don't get light weapons "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 25	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:09:00 - [9] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: So where's the proof that this is a stupid idea? A long list? A long list of weapons people would deny to other players being a logi. I mean, big surprise, not every logi is a proto. So thinks, how many payers would quit this game, and how many new players could you retain if they think, well this suit might be cool, but i cant do any effective shooting in thIs FPS. Its stupid to deny 1 class suits/ type of players from all the above diversity in DUST because assaults are butt hurt over KD *I fly I shoot I rep I tank/ Heavy, Scout, Assault and Logi at range/ I'm the Jack of all trades/ Master of Some
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 981	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:13:00 - [10] - Quote People do realize that the submachine gun is a mini-AR, right? Right? ... Right? SWEET MOTHER OF TERESA ON THE HOOD OF A MERCEDES BENZ, YOU SOUND LIKE A MAJESTIC FUCKING EAGLE! CAN YOU SING?!

Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 66	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:15:00 - [11] - Quote Message from Godin: lol, dumbasses.......
Terra Thesis HDYLTA Defiant Legacy 363	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:15:00 - [12] - Quote weren't you guys paying attention in algebra? long list = proof hella long list = totally proof HDYLTA - Freedom Delivered
R F Gyro Clones 4u 680	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:17:00 - [13] - Quote I don't personally agree with the "sidearm-only" proposal, but I think I could accept it if CCP implemented some sort of carbine-type medium range sidearm. Or maybe a carbine version of each of the racial rifles. Also, I agree with other posters that a long list of weapons is a long way from "proof". RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 278	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:23:00 - [14] - Quote The point is assaults have not that mmuch roles they can perform and their suit is well designed to perform that role. Nerfing the logi suit won't change that. Assaults are first of all attacksuits, they need to go in fast and strike hard. Naturally they should have lower eHP compared to slower suits. But the thing is they can't go in fast and strike hard as their bonusses don't benefit such actions. Soaking lots of damage is IMHO not the task of an assault player thats what (current) logis and heavies are for. Assaulst should be skirmishers that deal lots of damage while moving fast from A to B. Currently they can only move fast from A to B but they can not deal more damage than other suits thats the problem. If logies should be damage soakers is another question IMHO they should not they should be highly mobile to get where they are needed and they should be less tanky than assaults.
Ripley Riley 62	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:23:00 - [15] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: I don't personally agree with the "sidearm-only" proposal, but I think I could accept it if CCP implemented some sort of carbine-type medium range sidearm. Or maybe a carbine version of each of the racial rifles. I think this deserves some consideration... Suppose CCP does end up removing the light weapon from all logistic suits, BUT with the next patch they add a couple of new sidearms. We have heard and seen pictures of the ion pistol a few things now, right? I wouldn't be surprised if it made it into 1.8 or 1.9. No paid respecs without massive SP penalties.
Skihids Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 2452	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:31:00 - [16] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: The point is assaults have not that mmuch roles they can perform and their suit is well designed to perform that role. Nerfing the logi suit won't change that. Assaults are first of all attacksuits, they need to go in fast and strike hard. Naturally they should have lower eHP compared to slower suits. But the thing is they can't go in fast and strike hard as their bonusses don't benefit such actions. Soaking lots of damage is IMHO not the task of an assault player thats what (current) logis and heavies are for. Assaulst should be skirmishers that deal lots of damage while moving fast from A to B. Currently they can only move fast from A to B but they can not deal more damage than other suits thats the problem. If logies should be damage soakers is another question IMHO they should not they should be highly mobile to get where they are needed and they should be less tanky than assaults. This is an important point. I feel some people want the Assault suit to be fastest, hardest hitting, AND soak up the most damage, relegating the Logistics suit to a second class pack mule.
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 570	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:56:00 - [17] - Quote What they should do is give incentives to use the logi suits as logi suits. Consider making the equipment they are supposed to carry "cheaper" from the point of view of CPU/PG. Consider making the equipment they are supposed to carry have more maximum uses, maximum number active or higher number carried. Consider adjusting the number of high and low slots to remove the worst examples of logi suits used in a CQC role. This would obviously require a look at the statistics for how the suits are used improperly. Remove the grenade slot, so they are less likely to be used as CQC suits. In return for this, consider adding an equipment slot. These two slot changes might be easiest to balance and would be simplest to implement. Keep the one weapon slot they already have. Any or all of these might help. Munch What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Legion of Eden Covert Intervention 1	Posted - 2013.11.27 16:49:00 - [18] - Quote Poonmunch wrote: What they should do is give incentives to use the logi suits as logi suits. Consider making the equipment they are supposed to carry "cheaper" from the point of view of CPU/PG. Consider making the equipment they are supposed to carry have more maximum uses, maximum number active or higher number carried. Consider adjusting the number of high and low slots to remove the worst examples of logi suits used in a CQC role. This would obviously require a look at the statistics for how the suits are used improperly. Remove the grenade slot, so they are less likely to be used as CQC suits. In return for this, consider adding an equipment slot. These two slot changes might be easiest to balance and would be simplest to implement. Keep the one weapon slot they already have. Any or all of these might help. Munch Damn You are still missing the point. Most people want logi nerfed because they don't fill their eq slots. That's why they got more EHP instead of support equipment. On my proto ammar i got 3 equipments and they cost same cpu/pg amount as 2x duvolle ARs. Do U really want me to use 2x submachine gun and have even more hp ?? That will change nothing, you will get close and U will die even faster. CCP force logi to use all eq slots each fit have and give min amount of cpu/pg that need to be used as equipment for each logi fit. You won't see logi with more than 800 EHP and it will solve most problems. I'm logi but when I run games without squad or with 1-2 mates only and we have full 2 squads on other side I prefer my dragonfly assault withe exile NO DMG MODES and scanner (18k ISK per fit) and my K/D ratio is far bigger than proto amarr logi with exile/duvolle, one dmg mode and ~800 ehp (135k~160k ISK) This suppose to be a shooter for thinking people so at least act like one. Assault class got better shield recharge and it's faster. Use it next time...
BMSTUBBY 344	Posted - 2013.11.27 16:55:00 - [19] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Also, the forums are having a hissy fit over something hasn't even been confirmed by CCP yet. Someone in CCP just said that a change will occur that will make logis less of a slayer and more of a support dropsuit. That's it. We don't even know specifics yet. Then why would the Dev choose this thread to bring up the fact that Logis will be getting nerfed? Quote: What if... Logis couldn't use light weapons? CCP Logibro wrote: FEEDBACK] Logistics without light weapons - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120712&find=unread Status: There is a plan to change Logistics skills and that will definitely change their role on the battlefield and prevent players from running as GÇ£slayersGÇ¥ in logi suits. Dusters - MMO WhenGäó ? CCP - MMO SoonGäó .


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