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A'Real Fury wrote:

Are you assuming that you are an average skilled player?

I would say that if your scores are typical for everyone then the AR and SCR are OP. however, when looking at the scoreboard at the end of the match I doubt that you are seeing 10-15 players on each side scoring 20+, your low end score, kills.

I would say that they take less skill in CQC then several other weapons but they are also necessary for the games survival, otherwise you would need to reduce TTK even further than it already is.

Why? Because if all the weapons needed a high level of natural skill to gain kills then the majority of the player base would not have any chance of killing anything while those few high skilled players will find it even easier to kill everything since most of the player base will not be able to use any weapon effectively enough to get a kill shot.

Stomps can be very bad now but if you up the skill needed to use all of the weapons then games become even more boring and if average players have little chance of killing others then they will leave.

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Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 870	Posted - 2013.11.26 19:49:00 - [1] - Quote how many people really believe that assault rifle and scrambler rifle are skill required weapons? how many think they are pathetically easy to use and for sure define easy mode in dust? i am of the latter everyone can pick up an ar and go 30/0 i havnt used one since closed beta but ive been toying with the toxin ar past few days..i dont have it specced really only prof 3 and sharp shooter 3..it definitly seems easy mode to me havnt used it in months..picked it up average kiil per match went from 20-30 to 30-50 NO SKILL WEAPON
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 444	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:04:00 - [2] - Quote Are you assuming that you are an average skilled player? I would say that if your scores are typical for everyone then the AR and SCR are OP. however, when looking at the scoreboard at the end of the match I doubt that you are seeing 10-15 players on each side scoring 20+, your low end score, kills. I would say that they take less skill in CQC then several other weapons but they are also necessary for the games survival, otherwise you would need to reduce TTK even further than it already is. Why? Because if all the weapons needed a high level of natural skill to gain kills then the majority of the player base would not have any chance of killing anything while those few high skilled players will find it even easier to kill everything since most of the player base will not be able to use any weapon effectively enough to get a kill shot. Stomps can be very bad now but if you up the skill needed to use all of the weapons then games become even more boring and if average players have little chance of killing others then they will leave.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1279	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:07:00 - [3] - Quote i think they are both scrub weapons, thus why I use them both, AR is better at mowing down multiple targets as the heat build up doesn't exist, also at range the AR is superior due ot practically non existant fall off damage. The scrambler rifle has longer range but the fall off damage+ heat build up make it very ineffectively at super long range. for single targets the scrambler rifle is nigh untouchable for kill speed, and I enjoy using it far more then the AR, it works well as an assassination weapon, but falls short if you need to kill 2 or more targets in quick succession.
Aisha Ctarl 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1845	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:09:00 - [4] - Quote AR - EZ MOAD ASCR - EZ MOAD SCR - SHUT UP OR I'LL KILL YOU IN YOUR SLEEP pets Imperial "It's ok baby, I still love you" "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
R F Gyro Clones 4u 680	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:11:00 - [5] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: everyone can pick up an ar and go 30/0 Don't talk crap. That is patently untrue and you know it. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5421	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:13:00 - [6] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: everyone can pick up an ar and go 30/0 That's funny, I thought the majority of the playerbase used the AR? Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 457	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:14:00 - [7] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: how many people really believe that assault rifle and scrambler rifle are skill required weapons? how many think they are pathetically easy to use and for sure define easy mode in dust? i am of the latter everyone can pick up an ar and go 30/0 i havnt used one since closed beta but ive been toying with the toxin ar past few days..i dont have it specced really only prof 3 and sharp shooter 3..it definitly seems easy mode to me havnt used it in months..picked it up average kiil per match went from 20-30 to 30-50 NO SKILL WEAPON It's a Skill Weapon....b/c you have to aim & shoot. Grenades on the other hand.....
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 997	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:20:00 - [8] - Quote Ninjanomyx wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: how many people really believe that assault rifle and scrambler rifle are skill required weapons? how many think they are pathetically easy to use and for sure define easy mode in dust? i am of the latter everyone can pick up an ar and go 30/0 i havnt used one since closed beta but ive been toying with the toxin ar past few days..i dont have it specced really only prof 3 and sharp shooter 3..it definitly seems easy mode to me havnt used it in months..picked it up average kiil per match went from 20-30 to 30-50 NO SKILL WEAPON It's a Skill Weapon....b/c you have to aim & shoot. Grenades on the other hand..... The ability to aim and shoot in a first person shooter aren't impressive, they are assumed. The AR and ScR are not skill weapons. The title of "skill weapon" only belongs on Plasma Cannons and Nova Knives. Most of the weapons in this game aren't skill weapons, and in the case of Mass Driver and Swarm Launchers, are skill-less weapons. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered
darkiller240 K-A-O-S theory 183	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:27:00 - [9] - Quote Ar is point and shoot ScR is spam R1 then die by overheating "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1530	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:29:00 - [10] - Quote I honestly believe every weapon is pretty much point-and-click, the only notable skill is learning where to go and what to avoid on the battlefield which goes for any weapon/suit/role. You get any weapon in the "ideal" environment and it will take very little "skill" to use. Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game

Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 870	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:37:00 - [11] - Quote A'Real Fury wrote: Are you assuming that you are an average skilled player? I would say that if your scores are typical for everyone then the AR and SCR are OP. however, when looking at the scoreboard at the end of the match I doubt that you are seeing 10-15 players on each side scoring 20+, your low end score, kills. I would say that they take less skill in CQC then several other weapons but they are also necessary for the games survival, otherwise you would need to reduce TTK even further than it already is. Why? Because if all the weapons needed a high level of natural skill to gain kills then the majority of the player base would not have any chance of killing anything while those few high skilled players will find it even easier to kill everything since most of the player base will not be able to use any weapon effectively enough to get a kill shot. Stomps can be very bad now but if you up the skill needed to use all of the weapons then games become even more boring and if average players have little chance of killing others then they will leave. no im actually assuming im a ****** player..i never use assault rifles and my fps history is smaller than the average gamer.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 148	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:37:00 - [12] - Quote I'm going to read you an in game description from an item in Dark Souls, "Knights may favor flashy armor and weapons, but for warriors on the battlefield, anything is fine as long as it keeps them alive" I think the message applies here as well, I'm sorry it may not be skilled to your tastes, but not everyone should play the role of a scout or use a PLC. Whatever enables us to kill efficiently barring legitimate exploits we will do, and live another day.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 871	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:39:00 - [13] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: everyone can pick up an ar and go 30/0 Don't talk crap. That is patently untrue and you know it. no i dont know it..seriously ive been miserable since 1.6 ..i puta exile on all my fits and started walking through people thats the only change i never use ar and without a doubt suck at ar ..it cannot possible require any true skill
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 871	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:40:00 - [14] - Quote Slag Emberforge wrote: I'm going to read you an in game description from an item in Dark Souls, "Knights may favor flashy armor and weapons, but for warriors on the battlefield, anything is fine as long as it keeps them alive" I think the message applies here as well, I'm sorry it may not be skilled to your tastes, but not everyone should play the role of a scout or use a PLC. Whatever enables us to kill efficiently barring legitimate exploits we will do, and live another day. ima give u a like just for quoting my fav dungeon crawler
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 151	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:43:00 - [15] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: R F Gyro wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: everyone can pick up an ar and go 30/0 Don't talk crap. That is patently untrue and you know it. no i dont know it..seriously ive been miserable since 1.6 ..i puta exile on all my fits and started walking through people thats the only change i never use ar and without a doubt suck at ar ..it cannot possible require any true skill So what do the stats look like end of match? 12/16 doing in upper 20s with no deaths and a hundred deaths at the bottom of the pool? It's bullshit and you know it. AR and SCR are the most commonly used weapons, but you do not see more than one person scoring that high in a match, in your fantasy universe AR trumps every weapon and simultaneously somehow trumps all other rifle users? Sounds like some circular logic to me.


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