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Atiim wrote:

CharCharOdell wrote:

I don't hate you. I just don't want AV to do as much damage as it does now...well, swarms and yolonades, anyway. I miss the 4 v 4 tank battles of old and AV prevents that. I got into tanks to avoid the ARs and smash Madrugars, but now the madrugars are a rarity and i have nothing to do but bumble around in my scout shotgun nerd suit.

Please don't nerf my tanks. I love killing tanks more than anyone. I'm on your side in battle.

Back when I gave a **** about PC, big corps would hire me just to kill other tanks. So yeah, I don't want to shoot infantry, but there are no tanks left to kill. Honestly. You guys die to damn fast for me to enjoy.

I have no true side in the battle. All I've ever wanted was things to be perfectly balanced between the classes.

It's just that most of the ways people have come up with a way to "balance" this issue sounds good on paper, but the execution and effects would create the biggest FoTM this game has ever seen. Taking a spot right next to Flaylock Pistols and Contact Grenades.

I won't say that HAVs don't need a buff. I also won't say that I wouldn't like tanks to become stronger.

I love the good thrill of a tank fight, where one false move or mistake can lead to an instant defeat. I think these moments can be the most tense and thrilling ones DUST 514 has to offer.

Think about this though. When CCP was designing the Logistics class, they designed it to be a versatile support class. What they didn't design is a class better at Assault than Assaults, and with a built in complex armor repairer at that. We have a playerbase with the "Must stomp at all costs" mentality. Because of this playerbase mentality, we have people running Gallogi fits with 800-1k Armor and the ability to be repped at 840HP/s. That is disgustingly sick. And do you think CCP designed things to happen like this? No they didn't; but if it can happen, it will happen.

I understand that most tankers are only looking to fight another tank, but whats to stop people from deciding they want a quick stat pat and destroying scores of infantry with no resistance whatsoever. That is also why I don't agree with HAVs being the best counter to HAVs.

I would be fine with HAVs being the best counter to HAVs if HAVs weren't so effective at killing infantry at the same time. That would create a FoTM where the team to call in the most tanks wins the match. That FoTM is the nightmare that I like to call "Tank 514". This is also why I support the ideas of True Adamance on the modification of the Large Blaster Turret.

I love tanks, and vehicles in general. What I don't like is them becoming the Staples easy button where pressing the button 7 times will guarantee a win. I also don't like the idea of seeing nothing but tanks and everyone crouching down waiting for someone to recall a tank so they can bring in theirs. I just simply don't want to play Tank 514. Is that to much to ask?

AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.

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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1373	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:15:00 - [1] - Quote I am trying to compile a thread on how we can truly balance HAVs and AV. So I am going to go to HAV and AV channels this week and ask some questions on their views of 1.7 So if you can list some HAV and AV chat channels, I'd greatly appreciate it. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4330	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:16:00 - [2] - Quote You already know Tankers R US don't you? "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1373	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:20:00 - [3] - Quote True Adamance wrote: You already know Tankers R US don't you? Just like how a journalist can't interview only one source, I can't claim to compile everyone's opinion when I've only visited one chat channel. Also, I kinda +150'd that channel if you catch my drift.... Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Alpha 443-6732 224	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:32:00 - [4] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: You already know Tankers R US don't you? Just like how a journalist can't interview only one source, I can't claim to compile everyone's opinion when I've only visited one chat channel. Also, I kinda +150'd that channel if you catch my drift.... "Honey Badger" is another tanker hideout, but you'd need an invitation from Charlotte O'Dell. AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1373	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:33:00 - [5] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: You already know Tankers R US don't you? Just like how a journalist can't interview only one source, I can't claim to compile everyone's opinion when I've only visited one chat channel. Also, I kinda +150'd that channel if you catch my drift.... Honey badger is another tanker hideout, but you'd need an invitation from Charlotte O'Dell. Where would I contact him (or her)? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4334	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:33:00 - [6] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: You already know Tankers R US don't you? Just like how a journalist can't interview only one source, I can't claim to compile everyone's opinion when I've only visited one chat channel. Also, I kinda +150'd that channel if you catch my drift.... Honey badger is another tanker hideout, but you'd need an invitation from Charlotte O'Dell. Been trying to get O'dell to teach me for a long time. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Alpha 443-6732 224	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:34:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: Alpha 443-6732 wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: You already know Tankers R US don't you? Just like how a journalist can't interview only one source, I can't claim to compile everyone's opinion when I've only visited one chat channel. Also, I kinda +150'd that channel if you catch my drift.... Honey badger is another tanker hideout, but you'd need an invitation from Charlotte O'Dell. Where would I contact him (or her)? I recommend you make an alt (he probably hates your guts) and PM him in game. AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 47	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:38:00 - [8] - Quote Message from Godin: I used to be in Honey Badger, but then I crashed, and all my channels were gone.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1375	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:42:00 - [9] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: I recommend you make an alt (he probably hates your guts) and PM him in game. Oh I see he's CharCharOdell huh? Well this should be interesting Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals 241	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:43:00 - [10] - Quote I found it funny how people were asking how much SP people would get back with the vehicle refund and then realized I had more in tanks than CharCharOdell, I think he has more unallocated though so he may have more than me going into 1.7. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1375	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:43:00 - [11] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: I used to be in Honey Badger, but then I crashed, and all my channels were gone. Why not ask for a re-invite? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals 241	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:44:00 - [12] - Quote Atiim wrote: Alpha 443-6732 wrote: I recommend you make an alt (he probably hates your guts) and PM him in game. Oh I see he's CharCharOdell huh? Well this should be interesting I think he's on the forums now his last post was less than 25 minutes ago. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1375	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:45:00 - [13] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I found it funny how people were asking how much SP people would get back with the vehicle refund and then realized I had more in tanks than CharCharOdell, I think he has more unallocated though so he may have more than me going into 1.7. Why were you so quiet earlier in Tanks R Us? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals 241	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:51:00 - [14] - Quote I was busy talking to people in corp and actually playing the game. I do check on chats regularly in between deaths and when there's little action then a scout Shot gunned me in the face. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4335	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:52:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I found it funny how people were asking how much SP people would get back with the vehicle refund and then realized I had more in tanks than CharCharOdell, I think he has more unallocated though so he may have more than me going into 1.7. Why were you so quiet earlier in Tanks R Us? Too busy getting proto swamped.....see what I did there? "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Alpha 443-6732 224	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:53:00 - [16] - Quote Just gonna leave this here... "What we are saying is that infantry AV (forges, swarms, AV mines) should be the soft counter to vehicles, while vehicle AV is the hard counter (jets when they come, railguns, missiles). That's not saying vehicle AV should always be the better option, but from an offensive capability point of view, a vehicle mounted railgun should be more potent than a handheld one and a vehicle mounted missile launcher should be more effective than a handheld one. But that's not saying infantry AV should be bad, but since it is inexpensive and relatively easier to use, it should require a bit of teamwork to eliminate a tank. 3 proto AV working together should deny an entire area of tanks, but no more than three are needed because the same 3 proto AV can retarget another tank after the first is destroyed. In my opinion, infantry AV and standard infantry should be melded together, I feel the comparisons would be much fairer for the vehicle side. Everyone points out that if vehicles are made viable again, everyone will abandon infantry AV and hop into tanks, when that isn't the case. Tanks are big and clumsy to use, large targets and have many weapons that seek/track them. Infantrymen are more flexible in the sense that they can crawl around in places tanks cannot reach, use cover, play mind games with vehicles while out of sight, etc. It's like the age old argument of people running into heavies and complaining that they were able to kill them easily. People think that the only AV is infantry AV and that they are a class of their own, but it's a lot deeper than that. People need to consider that anti- anything doesn't automatically mean "utterly dominate to the point of uselessness," but merely means that it combats the object. So basically: 1 tank = 1 tank, but that doesn't mean tanks are the best. 1 tank = 3 infantry, but that definitely doesn't mean infantrymen are useless. Here is a situation where infantry AV should be a better solution than vehicular AV: 2 blaster tanks are being guarded from your team's tanks by 2 proto AV infantry. Your team has the potential to field an equal 2 blaster tanks and 2 proto AV infantry, but after considering the map dynamics (potential ambush spots only AV infantry can utilize) you decide to field 1 blaster tank and 3 AV infantry, with the AV infantry cleverly hidden out of sight, ready to strike. The blaster tank runs into the fray and baits the 2 armor tanks, 1 by 1, to come into your trap. Both enemy tanks follow, and with the help of the infantry AV hitting the enemy armor from seemingly unknown directions, you succeed in taking out both tanks. To be fair, your friendly tank was lost in the fight. After you are finished with the enemy armor, you easily finish off the enemy AV infantry, only losing 1 tank due to smart teamwork, while the enemy lost 2 tanks and 2 AV infantry. Also, I just wanna say I mean no harm with this post, just trying to be productive to the balance discussion." AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1375	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:56:00 - [17] - Quote Thanks Alpha. I will use this when making my balance thread. But I don't dare try to quote that large sum of text and paragraphs. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1375	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:57:00 - [18] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I found it funny how people were asking how much SP people would get back with the vehicle refund and then realized I had more in tanks than CharCharOdell, I think he has more unallocated though so he may have more than me going into 1.7. Why were you so quiet earlier in Tanks R Us? Too busy getting proto swamped.....see what I did there? Yes I see what you did there. Are you proud of yourself. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4335	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:57:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I found it funny how people were asking how much SP people would get back with the vehicle refund and then realized I had more in tanks than CharCharOdell, I think he has more unallocated though so he may have more than me going into 1.7. Why were you so quiet earlier in Tanks R Us? Too busy getting proto swamped.....see what I did there? Yes I see what you did there. Are you proud of yourself. Nope. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Alpha 443-6732 224	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:58:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: Thanks Alpha. I will use this when making my balance thread. But I don't dare try to quote that large sum of text and paragraphs. It's there for you to take excerpts from. Hopefully it'll be of some use. AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1375	Posted - 2013.11.26 03:03:00 - [21] - Quote Hey tankers, be on the watch for you mailboxes Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 73	Posted - 2013.11.26 03:07:00 - [22] - Quote why ask for tank channels? you already know them Void Echo's Alt Back-up Profile Back on main 12-20-2013
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4335	Posted - 2013.11.26 03:08:00 - [23] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: why ask for tank channels? you already know them Why'd you get banned? "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 73	Posted - 2013.11.26 03:10:00 - [24] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Shokhann Echo wrote: why ask for tank channels? you already know them Why'd you get banned? cursing XD Void Echo's Alt Back-up Profile Back on main 12-20-2013
CharCharOdell 1689	Posted - 2013.11.26 06:12:00 - [25] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Alpha 443-6732 wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: You already know Tankers R US don't you? Just like how a journalist can't interview only one source, I can't claim to compile everyone's opinion when I've only visited one chat channel. Also, I kinda +150'd that channel if you catch my drift.... Honey badger is another tanker hideout, but you'd need an invitation from Charlotte O'Dell. Been trying to get O'dell to teach me for a long time. I can be found in: Learning Coalition + 'Honey Badger' You can also just message me in game, brobro. Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
CharCharOdell 1689	Posted - 2013.11.26 06:22:00 - [26] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I found it funny how people were asking how much SP people would get back with the vehicle refund and then realized I had more in tanks than CharCharOdell, I think he has more unallocated though so he may have more than me going into 1.7. I only have 6 mil SP in tanks. The bare minimum for all modules and basic hulls. The passive skills arent significant enough so meh. Honestly, since every tank build has a clear counter, being able to use a counter-tank is more effective than speccing 1 or 2 builds to the max. I've taken down, SP investment-wise, far superior tankers with 15mil+ in tanks because I just out-thought them. Got in their OODA-loop, per say, and won. Tanking is easy if you stop thinking that you're "a fast heavy with a huge gun". Once you start looking at tanking like "i have a g-1 scout and a shotgun while everyone else has a gallogi with a duvolle", your game will improve dramatically. I'm really not even that great of a tanker. Compared to other tankers, my KDR is probably one of the lowest in our circle, but I know what I'm doing. Do date, the only tankers who have killed me more than I have killed them are General Grodd and Hotch. Everyone else I tie with. The hardest thing for a tanker is knowing when you simply can't win. This is easier vs AV, but knowing you won't beat other tanks is difficult to admit. yesterday, I was lucky and got the drop on sgt nova star in my gunlogi (particularly proud of that bc he has a tendancy of killing my tank before it touches the ground). Anyway, I killed him. Then out of the corner of my eye, I see him and his friend drop in a gunlogi and a madrugar. Now, if they were operating seperately, i probs wouldve called in a brawler tank and took them out 1 v 1, but there was no way in hell id win that battle, so i swalled my prid and recalled. Another thing I do is feign weakness. Sometimes I'll see a tank and lead him to believe that I'm afraid of him. Then I hide behind a burm and pounce with all modules on. No contest. Nitros are also great because it allows you to flank a tank who THINKS they know where you are, and hit their weak point on the back of their tank. All in all, my tanks are garbage, but my tactics are some of the best. If you, True Adamance, want to be my friend and learn all of my secrets, we may go on a quest of tank-discovery in 1.7. All my other tank friends are gone so i want a new wingman. Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
CharCharOdell 1689	Posted - 2013.11.26 06:25:00 - [27] - Quote Atiim wrote: Alpha 443-6732 wrote: I recommend you make an alt (he probably hates your guts) and PM him in game. Oh I see he's CharCharOdell huh? Well this should be interesting I don't hate you. I just don't want AV to do as much damage as it does now...well, swarms and yolonades, anyway. I miss the 4 v 4 tank battles of old and AV prevents that. I got into tanks to avoid the ARs and smash madrugars, but now the madrugars are a rarity and i have nothing to do but bumble around in my scout shotgun nerd suit. Please don't nerf my tanks. I love killing tanks more than anyone. I'm on your side in battle. Back when I gave a **** about PC, big corps would hire me just to kill other tanks. So yeah, I don't want to shoot infantry, but there are no tanks left to kill. Honestly. You guys die to damn fast for me to enjoy. Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1379	Posted - 2013.11.26 13:57:00 - [28] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: why ask for tank channels? you already know them I only know one Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 82	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:33:00 - [29] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: Atiim wrote: Alpha 443-6732 wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: You already know Tankers R US don't you? Just like how a journalist can't interview only one source, I can't claim to compile everyone's opinion when I've only visited one chat channel. Also, I kinda +150'd that channel if you catch my drift.... Honey badger is another tanker hideout, but you'd need an invitation from Charlotte O'Dell. Where would I contact him (or her)? I recommend you make an alt (he probably hates your guts) and PM him in game. he does
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1390	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:36:00 - [30] - Quote Just wait for the changes to come with 1.7, then we can speak about balance. Right now it's fairly useless. "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå

chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 82	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:39:00 - [31] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: True Adamance wrote: Shokhann Echo wrote: why ask for tank channels? you already know them Why'd you get banned? cursing XD wow.... I feel you echo, is it just a forum ban?
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals 241	Posted - 2013.11.26 22:39:00 - [32] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I found it funny how people were asking how much SP people would get back with the vehicle refund and then realized I had more in tanks than CharCharOdell, I think he has more unallocated though so he may have more than me going into 1.7. I only have 6 mil SP in tanks. The bare minimum for all modules and basic hulls. The passive skills arent significant enough so meh. Honestly, since every tank build has a clear counter, being able to use a counter-tank is more effective than speccing 1 or 2 builds to the max. I've taken down, SP investment-wise, far superior tankers with 15mil+ in tanks because I just out-thought them. Got in their OODA-loop, per say, and won. Tanking is easy if you stop thinking that you're "a fast heavy with a huge gun". Once you start looking at tanking like "i have a g-1 scout and a shotgun while everyone else has a gallogi with a duvolle", your game will improve dramatically. I'm really not even that great of a tanker. Compared to other tankers, my KDR is probably one of the lowest in our circle, but I know what I'm doing. Do date, the only tankers who have killed me more than I have killed them are General Grodd and Hotch. Everyone else I tie with. The hardest thing for a tanker is knowing when you simply can't win. This is easier vs AV, but knowing you won't beat other tanks is difficult to admit. yesterday, I was lucky and got the drop on sgt nova star in my gunlogi (particularly proud of that bc he has a tendancy of killing my tank before it touches the ground). Anyway, I killed him. Then out of the corner of my eye, I see him and his friend drop in a gunlogi and a madrugar. Now, if they were operating seperately, i probs wouldve called in a brawler tank and took them out 1 v 1, but there was no way in hell id win that battle, so i swalled my prid and recalled. Another thing I do is feign weakness. Sometimes I'll see a tank and lead him to believe that I'm afraid of him. Then I hide behind a burm and pounce with all modules on. No contest. Nitros are also great because it allows you to flank a tank who THINKS they know where you are, and hit their weak point on the back of their tank. All in all, my tanks are garbage, but my tactics are some of the best. If you, True Adamance, want to be my friend and learn all of my secrets, we may go on a quest of tank-discovery in 1.7. All my other tank friends are gone so i want a new wingman. Send me a chat channel invite, tactics are superior to fits a missile madrugar killed me twice once because I took my finger of the trigger yet still overheated if not for that I would have killed him. When I came at him he exploited his range and held a distance were he could hit me and I could not hit him. I eventually got him by calling out another faster tank, I backed over while he was moving forward and he instapopped total did not know you could do that. I will be specking into vehicles in 1.7 have not theory crafted yet but I do have a fit in mind. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1387	Posted - 2013.11.27 01:07:00 - [33] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: I don't hate you. I just don't want AV to do as much damage as it does now...well, swarms and yolonades, anyway. I miss the 4 v 4 tank battles of old and AV prevents that. I got into tanks to avoid the ARs and smash Madrugars, but now the madrugars are a rarity and i have nothing to do but bumble around in my scout shotgun nerd suit. Please don't nerf my tanks. I love killing tanks more than anyone. I'm on your side in battle. Back when I gave a **** about PC, big corps would hire me just to kill other tanks. So yeah, I don't want to shoot infantry, but there are no tanks left to kill. Honestly. You guys die to damn fast for me to enjoy. I have no true side in the battle. All I've ever wanted was things to be perfectly balanced between the classes. It's just that most of the ways people have come up with a way to "balance" this issue sounds good on paper, but the execution and effects would create the biggest FoTM this game has ever seen. Taking a spot right next to Flaylock Pistols and Contact Grenades. I won't say that HAVs don't need a buff. I also won't say that I wouldn't like tanks to become stronger. I love the good thrill of a tank fight, where one false move or mistake can lead to an instant defeat. I think these moments can be the most tense and thrilling ones DUST 514 has to offer. Think about this though. When CCP was designing the Logistics class, they designed it to be a versatile support class. What they didn't design is a class better at Assault than Assaults, and with a built in complex armor repairer at that. We have a playerbase with the "Must stomp at all costs" mentality. Because of this playerbase mentality, we have people running Gallogi fits with 800-1k Armor and the ability to be repped at 840HP/s. That is disgustingly sick. And do you think CCP designed things to happen like this? No they didn't; but if it can happen, it will happen. I understand that most tankers are only looking to fight another tank, but whats to stop people from deciding they want a quick stat pat and destroying scores of infantry with no resistance whatsoever. That is also why I don't agree with HAVs being the best counter to HAVs. I would be fine with HAVs being the best counter to HAVs if HAVs weren't so effective at killing infantry at the same time. That would create a FoTM where the team to call in the most tanks wins the match. That FoTM is the nightmare that I like to call "Tank 514". This is also why I support the ideas of True Adamance on the modification of the Large Blaster Turret. I love tanks, and vehicles in general. What I don't like is them becoming the Staples easy button where pressing the button 7 times will guarantee a win. I also don't like the idea of seeing nothing but tanks and everyone crouching down waiting for someone to recall a tank so they can bring in theirs. I just simply don't want to play Tank 514. Is that to much to ask? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Alpha 443-6732 226	Posted - 2013.11.28 03:43:00 - [34] - Quote Atiim wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: I don't hate you. I just don't want AV to do as much damage as it does now...well, swarms and yolonades, anyway. I miss the 4 v 4 tank battles of old and AV prevents that. I got into tanks to avoid the ARs and smash Madrugars, but now the madrugars are a rarity and i have nothing to do but bumble around in my scout shotgun nerd suit. Please don't nerf my tanks. I love killing tanks more than anyone. I'm on your side in battle. Back when I gave a **** about PC, big corps would hire me just to kill other tanks. So yeah, I don't want to shoot infantry, but there are no tanks left to kill. Honestly. You guys die to damn fast for me to enjoy. I have no true side in the battle. All I've ever wanted was things to be perfectly balanced between the classes. It's just that most of the ways people have come up with a way to "balance" this issue sounds good on paper, but the execution and effects would create the biggest FoTM this game has ever seen. Taking a spot right next to Flaylock Pistols and Contact Grenades. I won't say that HAVs don't need a buff. I also won't say that I wouldn't like tanks to become stronger. I love the good thrill of a tank fight, where one false move or mistake can lead to an instant defeat. I think these moments can be the most tense and thrilling ones DUST 514 has to offer. Think about this though. When CCP was designing the Logistics class, they designed it to be a versatile support class. What they didn't design is a class better at Assault than Assaults, and with a built in complex armor repairer at that. We have a playerbase with the "Must stomp at all costs" mentality. Because of this playerbase mentality, we have people running Gallogi fits with 800-1k Armor and the ability to be repped at 840HP/s. That is disgustingly sick. And do you think CCP designed things to happen like this? No they didn't; but if it can happen, it will happen. I understand that most tankers are only looking to fight another tank, but whats to stop people from deciding they want a quick stat pat and destroying scores of infantry with no resistance whatsoever. That is also why I don't agree with HAVs being the best counter to HAVs. I would be fine with HAVs being the best counter to HAVs if HAVs weren't so effective at killing infantry at the same time. That would create a FoTM where the team to call in the most tanks wins the match. That FoTM is the nightmare that I like to call "Tank 514". This is also why I support the ideas of True Adamance on the modification of the Large Blaster Turret. I love tanks, and vehicles in general. What I don't like is them becoming the Staples easy button where pressing the button 7 times will guarantee a win. I also don't like the idea of seeing nothing but tanks and everyone crouching down waiting for someone to recall a tank so they can bring in theirs. I just simply don't want to play Tank 514. Is that to much to ask? Don't worry Atiim, HAVs' weaknesses will become more apparent when E-War comes out. What I want to see for infantry to fight tanks a little more easily (but not solo them): AV nade variant that slows tank (maybe 60-75% but deals minor damage (500 or so)) WP for Avers (50 points for every 1k damage done to vehicles on top of the WP bounty) Vehicle mines that completely halt movement of the vehicle for 5-7 seconds (EMP mines, E-War) Swarms being redesigned as a medium range burst weapon like their future turret counterpart (run to vehicle, blow load, run to cover with a long reload time) Plasma cannon redesigned as the DPS light AV weapon (less damage per shot/volley, but considerably more over time when compared to swarm launcher) On a different note, I want the assault forge guns removed from the game or redesigned when 1.7 hits. Regular forge guns and breach forge guns are perfectly fine, but the assault forge gun's DPS needs to be tweaked down a bit (it's about 60% more than the regular forge gun). AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.


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