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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1373	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:15:00 - [1] - Quote I am trying to compile a thread on how we can truly balance HAVs and AV. So I am going to go to HAV and AV channels this week and ask some questions on their views of 1.7 So if you can list some HAV and AV chat channels, I'd greatly appreciate it. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4330	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:16:00 - [2] - Quote You already know Tankers R US don't you? "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1373	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:20:00 - [3] - Quote True Adamance wrote: You already know Tankers R US don't you? Just like how a journalist can't interview only one source, I can't claim to compile everyone's opinion when I've only visited one chat channel. Also, I kinda +150'd that channel if you catch my drift.... Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Alpha 443-6732 224	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:32:00 - [4] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: You already know Tankers R US don't you? Just like how a journalist can't interview only one source, I can't claim to compile everyone's opinion when I've only visited one chat channel. Also, I kinda +150'd that channel if you catch my drift.... "Honey Badger" is another tanker hideout, but you'd need an invitation from Charlotte O'Dell. AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1373	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:33:00 - [5] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: You already know Tankers R US don't you? Just like how a journalist can't interview only one source, I can't claim to compile everyone's opinion when I've only visited one chat channel. Also, I kinda +150'd that channel if you catch my drift.... Honey badger is another tanker hideout, but you'd need an invitation from Charlotte O'Dell. Where would I contact him (or her)? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4334	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:33:00 - [6] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: You already know Tankers R US don't you? Just like how a journalist can't interview only one source, I can't claim to compile everyone's opinion when I've only visited one chat channel. Also, I kinda +150'd that channel if you catch my drift.... Honey badger is another tanker hideout, but you'd need an invitation from Charlotte O'Dell. Been trying to get O'dell to teach me for a long time. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Alpha 443-6732 224	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:34:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: Alpha 443-6732 wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: You already know Tankers R US don't you? Just like how a journalist can't interview only one source, I can't claim to compile everyone's opinion when I've only visited one chat channel. Also, I kinda +150'd that channel if you catch my drift.... Honey badger is another tanker hideout, but you'd need an invitation from Charlotte O'Dell. Where would I contact him (or her)? I recommend you make an alt (he probably hates your guts) and PM him in game. AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 47	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:38:00 - [8] - Quote Message from Godin: I used to be in Honey Badger, but then I crashed, and all my channels were gone.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1375	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:42:00 - [9] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: I recommend you make an alt (he probably hates your guts) and PM him in game. Oh I see he's CharCharOdell huh? Well this should be interesting Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals 241	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:43:00 - [10] - Quote I found it funny how people were asking how much SP people would get back with the vehicle refund and then realized I had more in tanks than CharCharOdell, I think he has more unallocated though so he may have more than me going into 1.7. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1375	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:43:00 - [11] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: I used to be in Honey Badger, but then I crashed, and all my channels were gone. Why not ask for a re-invite? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals 241	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:44:00 - [12] - Quote Atiim wrote: Alpha 443-6732 wrote: I recommend you make an alt (he probably hates your guts) and PM him in game. Oh I see he's CharCharOdell huh? Well this should be interesting I think he's on the forums now his last post was less than 25 minutes ago. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1375	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:45:00 - [13] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I found it funny how people were asking how much SP people would get back with the vehicle refund and then realized I had more in tanks than CharCharOdell, I think he has more unallocated though so he may have more than me going into 1.7. Why were you so quiet earlier in Tanks R Us? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals 241	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:51:00 - [14] - Quote I was busy talking to people in corp and actually playing the game. I do check on chats regularly in between deaths and when there's little action then a scout Shot gunned me in the face. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4335	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:52:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I found it funny how people were asking how much SP people would get back with the vehicle refund and then realized I had more in tanks than CharCharOdell, I think he has more unallocated though so he may have more than me going into 1.7. Why were you so quiet earlier in Tanks R Us? Too busy getting proto swamped.....see what I did there? "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Alpha 443-6732 224	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:53:00 - [16] - Quote Just gonna leave this here... "What we are saying is that infantry AV (forges, swarms, AV mines) should be the soft counter to vehicles, while vehicle AV is the hard counter (jets when they come, railguns, missiles). That's not saying vehicle AV should always be the better option, but from an offensive capability point of view, a vehicle mounted railgun should be more potent than a handheld one and a vehicle mounted missile launcher should be more effective than a handheld one. But that's not saying infantry AV should be bad, but since it is inexpensive and relatively easier to use, it should require a bit of teamwork to eliminate a tank. 3 proto AV working together should deny an entire area of tanks, but no more than three are needed because the same 3 proto AV can retarget another tank after the first is destroyed. In my opinion, infantry AV and standard infantry should be melded together, I feel the comparisons would be much fairer for the vehicle side. Everyone points out that if vehicles are made viable again, everyone will abandon infantry AV and hop into tanks, when that isn't the case. Tanks are big and clumsy to use, large targets and have many weapons that seek/track them. Infantrymen are more flexible in the sense that they can crawl around in places tanks cannot reach, use cover, play mind games with vehicles while out of sight, etc. It's like the age old argument of people running into heavies and complaining that they were able to kill them easily. People think that the only AV is infantry AV and that they are a class of their own, but it's a lot deeper than that. People need to consider that anti- anything doesn't automatically mean "utterly dominate to the point of uselessness," but merely means that it combats the object. So basically: 1 tank = 1 tank, but that doesn't mean tanks are the best. 1 tank = 3 infantry, but that definitely doesn't mean infantrymen are useless. Here is a situation where infantry AV should be a better solution than vehicular AV: 2 blaster tanks are being guarded from your team's tanks by 2 proto AV infantry. Your team has the potential to field an equal 2 blaster tanks and 2 proto AV infantry, but after considering the map dynamics (potential ambush spots only AV infantry can utilize) you decide to field 1 blaster tank and 3 AV infantry, with the AV infantry cleverly hidden out of sight, ready to strike. The blaster tank runs into the fray and baits the 2 armor tanks, 1 by 1, to come into your trap. Both enemy tanks follow, and with the help of the infantry AV hitting the enemy armor from seemingly unknown directions, you succeed in taking out both tanks. To be fair, your friendly tank was lost in the fight. After you are finished with the enemy armor, you easily finish off the enemy AV infantry, only losing 1 tank due to smart teamwork, while the enemy lost 2 tanks and 2 AV infantry. Also, I just wanna say I mean no harm with this post, just trying to be productive to the balance discussion." AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1375	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:56:00 - [17] - Quote Thanks Alpha. I will use this when making my balance thread. But I don't dare try to quote that large sum of text and paragraphs. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1375	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:57:00 - [18] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I found it funny how people were asking how much SP people would get back with the vehicle refund and then realized I had more in tanks than CharCharOdell, I think he has more unallocated though so he may have more than me going into 1.7. Why were you so quiet earlier in Tanks R Us? Too busy getting proto swamped.....see what I did there? Yes I see what you did there. Are you proud of yourself. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4335	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:57:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I found it funny how people were asking how much SP people would get back with the vehicle refund and then realized I had more in tanks than CharCharOdell, I think he has more unallocated though so he may have more than me going into 1.7. Why were you so quiet earlier in Tanks R Us? Too busy getting proto swamped.....see what I did there? Yes I see what you did there. Are you proud of yourself. Nope. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Alpha 443-6732 224	Posted - 2013.11.26 02:58:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: Thanks Alpha. I will use this when making my balance thread. But I don't dare try to quote that large sum of text and paragraphs. It's there for you to take excerpts from. Hopefully it'll be of some use. AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1375	Posted - 2013.11.26 03:03:00 - [21] - Quote Hey tankers, be on the watch for you mailboxes Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 73	Posted - 2013.11.26 03:07:00 - [22] - Quote why ask for tank channels? you already know them Void Echo's Alt Back-up Profile Back on main 12-20-2013
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4335	Posted - 2013.11.26 03:08:00 - [23] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: why ask for tank channels? you already know them Why'd you get banned? "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 73	Posted - 2013.11.26 03:10:00 - [24] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Shokhann Echo wrote: why ask for tank channels? you already know them Why'd you get banned? cursing XD Void Echo's Alt Back-up Profile Back on main 12-20-2013
CharCharOdell 1689	Posted - 2013.11.26 06:12:00 - [25] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Alpha 443-6732 wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: You already know Tankers R US don't you? Just like how a journalist can't interview only one source, I can't claim to compile everyone's opinion when I've only visited one chat channel. Also, I kinda +150'd that channel if you catch my drift.... Honey badger is another tanker hideout, but you'd need an invitation from Charlotte O'Dell. Been trying to get O'dell to teach me for a long time. I can be found in: Learning Coalition + 'Honey Badger' You can also just message me in game, brobro. Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
CharCharOdell 1689	Posted - 2013.11.26 06:22:00 - [26] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I found it funny how people were asking how much SP people would get back with the vehicle refund and then realized I had more in tanks than CharCharOdell, I think he has more unallocated though so he may have more than me going into 1.7. I only have 6 mil SP in tanks. The bare minimum for all modules and basic hulls. The passive skills arent significant enough so meh. Honestly, since every tank build has a clear counter, being able to use a counter-tank is more effective than speccing 1 or 2 builds to the max. I've taken down, SP investment-wise, far superior tankers with 15mil+ in tanks because I just out-thought them. Got in their OODA-loop, per say, and won. Tanking is easy if you stop thinking that you're "a fast heavy with a huge gun". Once you start looking at tanking like "i have a g-1 scout and a shotgun while everyone else has a gallogi with a duvolle", your game will improve dramatically. I'm really not even that great of a tanker. Compared to other tankers, my KDR is probably one of the lowest in our circle, but I know what I'm doing. Do date, the only tankers who have killed me more than I have killed them are General Grodd and Hotch. Everyone else I tie with. The hardest thing for a tanker is knowing when you simply can't win. This is easier vs AV, but knowing you won't beat other tanks is difficult to admit. yesterday, I was lucky and got the drop on sgt nova star in my gunlogi (particularly proud of that bc he has a tendancy of killing my tank before it touches the ground). Anyway, I killed him. Then out of the corner of my eye, I see him and his friend drop in a gunlogi and a madrugar. Now, if they were operating seperately, i probs wouldve called in a brawler tank and took them out 1 v 1, but there was no way in hell id win that battle, so i swalled my prid and recalled. Another thing I do is feign weakness. Sometimes I'll see a tank and lead him to believe that I'm afraid of him. Then I hide behind a burm and pounce with all modules on. No contest. Nitros are also great because it allows you to flank a tank who THINKS they know where you are, and hit their weak point on the back of their tank. All in all, my tanks are garbage, but my tactics are some of the best. If you, True Adamance, want to be my friend and learn all of my secrets, we may go on a quest of tank-discovery in 1.7. All my other tank friends are gone so i want a new wingman. Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
CharCharOdell 1689	Posted - 2013.11.26 06:25:00 - [27] - Quote Atiim wrote: Alpha 443-6732 wrote: I recommend you make an alt (he probably hates your guts) and PM him in game. Oh I see he's CharCharOdell huh? Well this should be interesting I don't hate you. I just don't want AV to do as much damage as it does now...well, swarms and yolonades, anyway. I miss the 4 v 4 tank battles of old and AV prevents that. I got into tanks to avoid the ARs and smash madrugars, but now the madrugars are a rarity and i have nothing to do but bumble around in my scout shotgun nerd suit. Please don't nerf my tanks. I love killing tanks more than anyone. I'm on your side in battle. Back when I gave a **** about PC, big corps would hire me just to kill other tanks. So yeah, I don't want to shoot infantry, but there are no tanks left to kill. Honestly. You guys die to damn fast for me to enjoy. Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1379	Posted - 2013.11.26 13:57:00 - [28] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: why ask for tank channels? you already know them I only know one Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 82	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:33:00 - [29] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: Atiim wrote: Alpha 443-6732 wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: You already know Tankers R US don't you? Just like how a journalist can't interview only one source, I can't claim to compile everyone's opinion when I've only visited one chat channel. Also, I kinda +150'd that channel if you catch my drift.... Honey badger is another tanker hideout, but you'd need an invitation from Charlotte O'Dell. Where would I contact him (or her)? I recommend you make an alt (he probably hates your guts) and PM him in game. he does
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1390	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:36:00 - [30] - Quote Just wait for the changes to come with 1.7, then we can speak about balance. Right now it's fairly useless. "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå



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