All the changes.

All the respec threads, if you can find one.

Huge changes to game play mechanics, new items that should have been in at the start and no one crying for respecs. There may be some tears but you would be hard pressed to find even one post that asks for a SP refund. Amazes me that this community is so closed minded about how games are developed and the process CCP uses.

Good point but people in EVE who have been playing for years upon years most likely have a lot of SP just sitting there.

Good point but people in EVE who have been playing for years upon years most likely have a lot of SP just sitting there.

All the changes.

All the respec threads, if you can find one.

Huge changes to game play mechanics, new items that should have been in at the start and no one crying for respecs. There may be some tears but you would be hard pressed to find even one post that asks for a SP refund. Amazes me that this community is so closed minded about how games are developed and the process CCP uses.

On eve if something gets changed it gets discussed and tested on SISI (test server) beforehand. On dust we are lucky to et told what changes we are about to get. We dont have the option to get on the test server to figure out if something is horribly OP as hell.

gave you a +1 just for the signature you use.

I typed in the word respec and found 29 pages...

EVE is different

You passive skill up, you dont buy boosters, you dont have SP events, when they test changes they test them out on SISI in which you can download and test out for yourself, they talk about the changes in great detail and let the playerbase know whats happening

In DUST we are still in a beta, everything gets changed on a whim, we dont know whats in each patch let alone what is going to be changed, we can only skill up based on what we know about the skills/weapons/suits/vehicles, we never know what is going to come in the future

I planned for the vehicle tree, i worked it out how much SP it would take for me to spec it out, i planned ahead

Once i specced out my vehicle tree i started planning for the pilot suits, they never arrived but i managed to save up 8mil SP

No more vehicles were arriving and the vehicle patch was way off in the future, could have been a year maybe more so i spent my SP on a secondary role

Now CCP has changed the amount of SP needed to be a vehicle specialist by a factor of 3, the amount i have now will not cover what i need in 1.7

I need my SP out of infantry to be even close to what i can do now in 1.7

I planned ahead and finished the vehicle tree, now CCP has changed the SP amount so its more of a sink so i now need even more SP to spec out in the vehicle tree

I made my choices, i planned it out and finished the vehicle tree which made me competitve in PC, im happy with my SP in where they are, but between vehicles and infantry i want to go full vehicles and the amount of SP needed in 1.7 has gone up by a factor of 3

In 1.6 i had access to every mod and vehicle (not lolenforcers)

Now i need to put every SP i have into vehicles because they changed it all around and increased the amount needed

If i had know this would have happened 6months ago i would have saved every SP and not gone into dropsuits or weapons at all and would have stuck to using BPO fits

CCP gave Dust players a respec once and now they feel entitled.

CCP never gave Eve players a respec, so they don't feel entitled.


This is why we can't have nice things.

We lose our booster when the pod gets popped. We have to train a skill not dump SP into it. The test server helps but with only a peek of 600 players, I don't think that they got a lot of real time, in game testing done. One of the spikes was to test fleet stuff and everyone was invited and still only 600. I was one but I played with an interceptor for 10 minutes and haven't been back.

DUST is not a beta, they officially released the game and that in itself makes it not a beta. They released the game and it is how it is, not a beta. Changed on a whim is incorrect, playing the game created unforeseen problems and changes come from feedback and data pulled from games played. We don't know what is going to come in the future of EVE and in DUST they tell us what is in the patch if it changes game play.

Because CCP adds things to fill out the skill tree for vehicle (which most pilots complained was incomplete) you are mad that it takes more to skill up? You can't have it both ways. You can't want more stuff and then when they give it complain that it is the wrong kind of more? Did you think that the new items would be skill less?

If you knew this was going to happen six months ago it wouldn't be called the future. DUST514 and EVE is about a dynamic changing universe, you seem to want a static skill set that doesn't get updated. That isn't how CCP works.

Because they changed the function of ships, and had others to fill the role they left behind.

Also, because in EVE, there is racial symmetry, which Dust doesn't have.

And things don't change from patch to patch. This is the first time interceptors have been touched since they were introduced. Years ago.

If you get popped you may lose implants, if you have no implants you lose nothing

Test server is still there for you to test things, DUST doesnt have one

DUST is a beta, it still doesnt have finished game modes and not even half the racial gear is out and PVE/trading seems to be a long way off, its a beta

What did they add? more SP sinks while taking away a total of 8 vehicles currently and also mods such as passive resistances and hull mods etc

No i didnt, 6months ago vehicles were getting nerfed the **** out of while AV was getting buffed, the 'vehicle' patch kept getting pushed back, pilot suits never turned up, Blam was still in charge of vehicles 6months ago

I played by CCP rules, i saved my SP and put it where i wanted to without a regret since i didnt go into lolenforcers and now CCP decided to change the goalposts by extending the SP grind by a factor of 3 meaning i need more SP in 1.7 to get where i am now and the part respec wont even get me close

On eve if something gets changed it gets discussed and tested on SISI (test server) beforehand. On dust we are lucky to et told what changes we are about to get. We dont have the option to get on the test server to figure out if something is horribly OP as hell.

No one forces you to buy any boosters.

Testing doesn't' really happen on the test server like people think. Many test server visitors are testing fits because any item can be bought for 100 ISK, they train for tourneys and try to max out everything on a ship. They are not there to test out balance. When there is a large test it is because CCP asked people to show up. Then less than 1000 players show up. I don't think they get much balance data from that test. Testing in a controlled environment doesn't always accurately reflect real world (I know it is a game) performance.

This is how the game goes. There will only be more skills and SP sinks added. Repecs are not good for the game and should be avoided at all costs. Removed skills should be refunded but that is it.