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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2013.11.23 11:42:00 -
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I'm re-reading the eve novel "the burning life" and seeing frequent reference to things called 'multispectral grenades' or as they should be known - the flash bangs of new eden. In general the principle behind these grenades is that there's a small emp discharge to disrupt sensors (effective on drones, sansha's or the heavily implanted), a brief but bright and hot thermal to superheat surroundings (potentially scorching mercs, temporarily blinding them and disrupting heat sensitive equipment), a loud explosion (disrupting sound based equipment and damaging merc hearing) and a powerful concussive blast (knocking people around in a disorienting manner and trashing more sensitive gear).
In lore these can apparently be tuned from 'nonlethal' to 'absolutely horrifying' as well as features turned on or off so as to allow these grenades to function in a variety of roles ranging from riot suppression to armed conflicts: the concussive blast, noise and disorienting light are apparently enoug to induce vomiting on lower settings, and on higher settings can cause very permanent damage - bad enough that the multispectral grenades use borders on illegal in some places.
Now that lore is covered... I believe the flash bang properties of these grenades would make them a wonderful asset to scout suits (allowing them to get in close for shotgunning and nova knifing), they'd also allow for a bit of an easier time breaching packed corridors on a city map and while they caused no damage themselves could be grat for setting up strong sudden pushes. |
Magpie Raven
ZionTCD Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.23 15:07:00 -
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Athrak Kinz
Valkyrian Armada
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:34:00 -
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Flash bangs. 100% yes.
Full time Logi before it was cool.
GÿàProud GallenteanGÿà
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THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.23 22:40:00 -
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Athrak Kinz wrote:Flash bangs. 100% yes. Gallente logi flashbangs you, followed by a quick pounding of his Duvollle wtih 3x complex damage mods.
Meh
ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist
Amarr Sentinel | Amarr Logi | Losematar Scout
What is a signature?
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Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:33:00 -
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The multispectrals are actually grenades which you can change the effect on. All of the things you mentioned don't happen at once, you choose the effect before you throw it. It has 4 settings: EM (works like a flash grenade), Thermal (incendiary grenade), Kinetic (concussive grenade) or Explosive (kaboom!) .
EM is the least lethal, Kinetic CAN be lethal if you're too close, Thermal is lethal if youre standing too close, and explosive is lethal in a wide radius.
Also: that book was pretty awful, and most of it was deemed non-canon. |
Athrak Kinz
Valkyrian Armada
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:43:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Athrak Kinz wrote:Flash bangs. 100% yes. Gallente logi flashbangs you, followed by a quick pounding of his Duvollle wtih 3x complex damage mods. Meh
I don't use damage mods or the duvolle. Adv. Extenders an adv. Burst rifle for me, but I see what your driving at.
Full time Logi before it was cool.
GÿàProud GallenteanGÿà
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MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
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Posted - 2013.11.24 00:43:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:The multispectrals are actually grenades which you can change the effect on. All of the things you mentioned don't happen at once, you choose the effect before you throw it. It has 4 settings: EM (works like a flash grenade), Thermal (incendiary grenade), Kinetic (concussive grenade) or Explosive (kaboom!) .
EM is the least lethal, Kinetic CAN be lethal if you're too close, Thermal is lethal if youre standing too close, and explosive is lethal in a wide radius.
Also: that book was pretty awful, and most of it was deemed non-canon.
Simple enough actually - the better you are at landing them on target the more 'stun' they do - sleek variants do the least whole packed variants do the most but are harder to hit. And regardless of the grenades being used now gallogi's with stacked damage mods were (and will probably continue to be) an issue already these would allow a player to turn the tables on them without immediately being torn to pieces.
As for the grenades who are you to act like you're the sole determiner of how they should work - nothing suggests they can't have their multiple functions all work at once and fluff had been changed for far bigger things without issue.
The novel was no literary masterpiece but gave a decent look at all the empires and prettymuch every pirate faction but the Serpentis. |
Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:05:00 -
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Perfect idea for the squads who like to have a more tactical playstyle!
+1
Who cares what some sniper has to say
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Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.11.24 05:13:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Dagger-Two wrote:The multispectrals are actually grenades which you can change the effect on. All of the things you mentioned don't happen at once, you choose the effect before you throw it. It has 4 settings: EM (works like a flash grenade), Thermal (incendiary grenade), Kinetic (concussive grenade) or Explosive (kaboom!) .
EM is the least lethal, Kinetic CAN be lethal if you're too close, Thermal is lethal if youre standing too close, and explosive is lethal in a wide radius.
Also: that book was pretty awful, and most of it was deemed non-canon. Simple enough actually - the better you are at landing them on target the more 'stun' they do - sleek variants do the least whole packed variants do the most but are harder to hit. And regardless of the grenades being used now gallogi's with stacked damage mods were (and will probably continue to be) an issue already these would allow a player to turn the tables on them without immediately being torn to pieces. As for the grenades who are you to act like you're the sole determiner of how they should work - nothing suggests they can't have their multiple functions all work at once and fluff had been changed for far bigger things without issue. The novel was no literary masterpiece but gave a decent look at all the empires and prettymuch every pirate faction but the Serpentis.
I was just explaining how they actually work in the lore. But go ahead, have a hissy fit. |
MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
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Posted - 2013.11.24 05:40:00 -
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Actually, no you weren't 'explaining' anything, you were being condescending. If you want to give feedback on the idea keep it constructive. |
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Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.11.24 07:23:00 -
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I wasn't being condescending at all. If you interpreted it that way, that's your problem. |
Ulysses Knapse
duna corp
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Posted - 2013.11.24 07:35:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:I wasn't being condescending at all. If you interpreted it that way, that's your problem. Regardless of whether you were being condescending at first, you sound rather condescending right now.
Let's all be civil here, shall we? Let's all try to be less rude, and let's all try to be less bothered by things.
Humanity is the personification of change.
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MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
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Posted - 2013.11.25 06:03:00 -
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giving a small bump. would love more feedback or sycophancy. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
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Posted - 2013.11.25 06:17:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:I'm re-reading the eve novel "the burning life" and seeing frequent reference to things called 'multispectral grenades' or as they should be known - the flash bangs of new eden. In general the principle behind these grenades is that there's a small emp discharge to disrupt sensors (effective on drones, sansha's or the heavily implanted), a brief but bright and hot thermal to superheat surroundings (potentially scorching mercs, temporarily blinding them and disrupting heat sensitive equipment), a loud explosion (disrupting sound based equipment and damaging merc hearing) and a powerful concussive blast (knocking people around in a disorienting manner and trashing more sensitive gear).
In lore these can apparently be tuned from 'nonlethal' to 'absolutely horrifying' as well as features turned on or off so as to allow these grenades to function in a variety of roles ranging from riot suppression to armed conflicts: the concussive blast, noise and disorienting light are apparently enoug to induce vomiting on lower settings, and on higher settings can cause very permanent damage - bad enough that the multispectral grenades use borders on illegal in some places.
Now that lore is covered... I believe the flash bang properties of these grenades would make them a wonderful asset to scout suits (allowing them to get in close for shotgunning and nova knifing), they'd also allow for a bit of an easier time breaching packed corridors on a city map and while they caused no damage themselves could be grat for setting up strong sudden pushes.
Flashbabgs sound great but the reality will be wondering around aimlessly most matches blind.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
Fix PC lag please CCP.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
600
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Posted - 2013.11.25 07:32:00 -
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I approve everything with Spectral in it.
KDR > ALL
ME > KDR
ME > ALL
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MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
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Posted - 2013.11.27 01:55:00 -
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Would love to get some dev-love and more grenade varieties in the game. |
Takron Nistrom
Tinfoil Hatz
137
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Posted - 2013.12.05 14:19:00 -
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Where are the Miasma (smoke) grenades we were told were coming?
GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥
GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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abarkrishna
warravens
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Posted - 2013.12.05 14:29:00 -
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+1 To flashbangs! +1 to smoke grenades!
No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2.
When will they learn!
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MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
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Posted - 2013.12.06 12:09:00 -
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giving this another kick up to the front. |
DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2013.12.06 14:28:00 -
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I have been asking for this for a while.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.06 14:31:00 -
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maybe a hud grenade to fuzz the hell out of everything and disorientate the player.
imagine using a heat building rifle and 2 grenades go off near you and over heat your weapon. would kill you :P
Best game with a Python: 33 kills 1 death - Domination
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CELESTA AUNGM
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:55:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:giving a small bump. would love more feedback or sycophancy.
I was hooked into Dust alone at first, but later began to appreciate the immensely entertaining (and easy to access) EVE lore based around EVE Online. I can safely assume the lore-connection has proved a good selling mechanism that has gotten some Dust players to become new Eve Online players, so the "lore" becomes a plus for the game devs.
Normally I am AGAINST adding more Star-Trek like items to an FPS (cloaks, EMPs, mamba-gas, temporal-shift-nades, teleport-modules...) because they can turn a human-v-human battlefront into a monkey circus where you spend 5 minutes conquering a map, and then 45 minutes putting out mischief fires that individual scouts and guerillas are able to cause using their odd gadgets. The gameplay often (not always) breaks down from "fun tactical" into "annoying bug-chasing with a can of Raid". Some of you must know what I mean: You plant your flag of victory, then suddenly a player "EMPs" the engineering shack 30 MILES AWAY... by the time you run over there to shoot him, he jumps into "a teleport thingy" and---what the--on and ON--you want to pay him real money if he'd just stop doin' that!"
BUT, Mina... I have to relent and admit your weapon is inviting, and at least is more SCI-FI "mature" than the gadgets I mentioned above. No, I still wouldn't personally LIKE to have that weapon used in our PvP matches (especially not in these goldfish bowl sized maps we're currently using---Yikes!). But if it were one of a handful of weapons provided on LIMITED basis, like maybe provided to you exclusively in PvE Contracts (Mina, you already hinted at this in your description of the novel you're reading), and you only get a chance to work with them when you enter PvE matches... it would kinda curb the crazy rugrat behavior I'm afraid of with these gadgets, and HECK, can even become a good selling mechanism to give PvE players as special and unique an experience as possible.
In PvE, the Low-setting versus High-setting of the charge you described would add a NICE (not-naughty) tactical consideration to the person about to throw it---low setting to SAVE a fellow merc who needs to be rescued from attacking drones (with only nausea and vomiting inflicted on him) --- High setting when there are no buddies in the "discharge radius" and the drones are the only victims. Using a low-setting variation may be ESSENTIAL, in a PvE contract that involved "neutralizing" a district of researchers who have been "infected" by Sansha's mischief (you get less ISK if you KILL the poor citizen---the client wants his workers recovered ALIVE).
So I endorse your idea Mina--(but please, ONLY in PvE areas, so we don't run around using it on each other--I have to take too much Tylenol when those players use those gadgets in my other games). |
MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:53:00 -
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Eve online already has cloaking devices, teleportation devices etc etc Celesta, multi-spectral grenades are relatively simple actually - overwhelm the senses (or sensors). They'd work fine in pvp or in pve. |
MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
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Posted - 2013.12.21 22:30:00 -
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Bamp |
NDA Approved
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.22 03:42:00 -
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Count me on board. I might just be pretty well immune to flash bangs considering all the time I have spent on Beat Hazard.
Imma in ur base, browsin' docs on docs. Trust me, I have clearance.
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MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
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Posted - 2013.12.22 10:36:00 -
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Maybe to improve the defensive qualities of sentinels and improve the offensive qualities of assaults they could be somewhat resistant to multispectral grenades (have this information listed on the dropsuits as a 'sensor recalibration time'). This would allow some classes to more or less shrug off these grenades while others are a bit more impaired by them. |
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