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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2013.11.22 12:29:00 -
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[11/22/13 6:58:02 AM] Zatara Rought: [11/21/13 12:43:53 PM] Zatara Rought: Can I have a portion of the isk? [11/21/13 12:43:58 PM] HT - Chris St M: He wants isk [11/21/13 12:44:08 PM] CUBS: lol [11/21/13 12:44:11 PM] CUBS: nio [11/21/13 12:44:12 PM] HT - Chris St M: Rightfully he is entitled to a portion id say [11/21/13 12:44:18 PM] HT - Chris St M: His share [11/21/13 12:44:26 PM] Zatara Rought: <3 [11/21/13 12:45:40 PM] CUBS: the isk is Team Players belongings, paid to active members as well as potential future use [LOL] [11/21/13 12:45:50 PM] Zatara Rought: I need isk to fund my forthcoming foray into PC [11/21/13 12:45:52 PM] CUBS: those still active get paid out of that [Meaning those that didn't earn it but wear tags now to receive a paycheck] [11/21/13 12:46:01 PM] CUBS: i already told you about this [11/21/13 12:46:11 PM] Zatara Rought: you quit PCGǪI'm still a TeamPlayer outside of dust [11/21/13 12:46:28 PM] Zatara Rought: I want to play on a PC team. So i'm just asking for a fair portion of what I helped earn [11/21/13 12:47:03 PM] Zatara Rought: i played 95% of every battle we ever had. [11/21/13 12:47:49 PM] CUBS: the isk belongs to Team players, told u that before you decided to make your corp and do whatnot [11/21/13 12:50:15 PM] CUBS: Team Players is and remains bankrolled. [11/21/13 12:51:35 PM] CUBS: our collective savings ensures anything we may ever choose to do regarding this game we will not have any financial burden, should that happen or not. this game happens to be ina position where there remains potential for us returning at some point [11/21/13 12:51:57 PM] CUBS: and the upward prospects of this being released on PS4 makes our pile potentially even more important down the road [LOL] [11/21/13 12:53:24 PM] CUBS: as Ive said before, I understand and support you wanting to be active in PC, which is why I say nothing when people go to you to do this. I needed a break from the day to day commitment of it and am perfectly happy where I am [11/21/13 12:53:37 PM] CUBS: you obviously are committed to it and im all for that [11/21/13 12:54:14 PM] CUBS: but as I said before you started any of it. The savings we earned as a crew are just that, financing for OUR crew. [11/21/13 12:54:40 PM] CUBS: you making your own corp is no different than corp X, Y or Z... [EX: you're considered just like any other scrub that wanders in asking for a handout] [11/21/13 12:58:28 PM] Zatara Rought: Cubs. I see there is no point n arguing this because there's nothing I could say or do to have you fairly distribute an adequate portion of what I earned in TP. [11/21/13 12:58:31 PM] Zatara Rought: you sit on 30+ bill [that's just what I'm aware of] [11/21/13 12:58:36 PM] Zatara Rought: combined [11/21/13 12:59:01 PM] Zatara Rought: and I've been given about 500 mill altogether. [11/21/13 12:59:24 PM] Zatara Rought: I've got 150 mill to my name and am asking for a damn LOAN [11/21/13 12:59:41 PM] Zatara Rought: and you couldn't be bothered to help out one of your loyal players [11/21/13 12:59:54 PM] Zatara Rought: If TP builds a PC team then so be it [11/21/13 1:00:15 PM] Zatara Rought: but penalizing me pettily like this is a pathetic exercise of leadership. [11/21/13 1:00:22 PM] Zatara Rought: It's frustrating [11/21/13 1:00:53 PM] Zatara Rought: Regardless, if you choose to stop justifying why you shouldn't pay me a fair portion of that isk, please contact me. [11/21/13 1:01:24 PM] Zatara Rought: I know Jade Tech and XC7 and others like them are really earning that paycheck you're giving him each week for pubs. [/Sarcasm] [11/21/13 1:02:01 PM] CUBS: why would this be 'penalizing' you? [11/21/13 1:02:18 PM] Zatara Rought: Me making a corp because you choose not to lead a PC team is a completely different matter than me saying "alright y'all I'm cutting ties with TP" [11/21/13 1:02:21 PM] CUBS: you are off doing your own thing [11/21/13 1:02:22 PM] Zatara Rought: and you know it [11/21/13 1:02:33 PM] CUBS: as ive said i support that and am rooting for you [11/21/13 1:02:37 PM] Zatara Rought: show me [11/21/13 1:02:39 PM] Zatara Rought: don't tell me [11/21/13 1:02:42 PM] Zatara Rought: give me a loan [11/21/13 1:03:24 PM] HT - Chris St M: Get ur corp to donate. U never donated anytuing into tp. [Lie #1] [11/21/13 1:03:31 PM] Zatara Rought: FFS lol [11/21/13 1:03:36 PM] Zatara Rought: I donated when you asked me to [11/21/13 1:03:38 PM] HT - Chris St M: Most corps even our donated funds [11/21/13 1:03:38 PM] Zatara Rought: 40 mill [36 to be exact, I donated 16, and then another 20 after that I earned ringing and playing PC] [11/21/13 1:03:44 PM] Zatara Rought: I donated 40 mil [11/21/13 1:03:51 PM] CUBS: so what you're saying is you didnt really think things thru too well then. [Switching the spotlight because I just contested a lie] PC is an expensive venture [11/21/13 1:03:57 PM] Zatara Rought: so don't even try to pull that bullshit [11/21/13 1:04:00 PM] Zatara Rought: more bullshit HT [11/21/13 1:04:33 PM] Zatara Rought: how you assume that asking your CEO for a loan from the money you worked EXTREMELY hard to help him getGǪis lol [11/21/13 1:04:40 PM] HT - Chris St M: U gave likr 20 and i gave back since u had no isk [Partially true, I gave 36 mill and got back the majority, but I didn't ask for it back, it was simply given back] [11/22/13 6:58:27 AM] Zatara Rought: [11/21/13 1:04:47 PM] Zatara Rought: I donated 40 mill HT [11/21/13 1:04:57 PM] Zatara Rought: your decision to give back 20 is your choice [11/21/13 1:05:01 PM] HT - Chris St M: I have the spreadsheet rifht here [because those are never wrong...] [11/21/13 1:05:06 PM] Zatara Rought: I made the sacrifice
That's Master nader to you scrub.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
1731
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Posted - 2013.11.22 12:30:00 -
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Reserved
That's Master nader to you scrub.
Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
CCP's Motto: "SoonGäó"
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
1731
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Posted - 2013.11.22 12:31:00 -
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That's Master nader to you scrub.
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superjoe360x
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
140
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Posted - 2013.11.22 12:42:00 -
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Cubs has that much and wont come off of any of it for you. This is why im DL. Great guys, great ppl, and friends forever. The fact that he is unwilling to even give you 100 mill or something is absurd. He needs all that isk to pay his logi crew that has to follow him around to ensure he doesn't go negative.
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Deranged Disaster
The Rainbow Effect
565
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Posted - 2013.11.22 12:43:00 -
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I'd love to say I told you so bro but it wouldn't make a difference. Don't mind it. I'm sure you can find many ways to make money in the future with your corporation. But this shows about who was the actual dickhead back then between Sha and Cubs and how much Cubs "cared" about the community. It almost makes me shed a tear, he is very sensitive isn't he?
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ANON Illuminati
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Posted - 2013.11.22 12:51:00 -
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damn. id donate if i wasnt on obama care. sucks to be in this possition.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
1735
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Posted - 2013.11.22 13:12:00 -
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Damn I thought 2 reserved posts would finish it, but here's the last portion:
[11/21/13 6:28:22 PM] CUBS: Ok I've taken some time to think this over and look at it from all sides []. We began our run in PC through donations from everyone, no questions asked. Several players donated a LOT more than others, with no expectations of recourse as we are a clan and the funding was an integral part of the PC aspect of Dust.
The goal from the start was to be able to pay everyone, not to pay them back for their donations, but to financially support each and every Team Player for our endeavors on Dust.
this started at 20m every other week, by the 2nd week that became weekly [False, we were not paid until we already had well over 10 billion in the wallet, first the big boys got their wallets padded, then us peons]. By week 4 it became 30m a week [I could be wrong, but I'm pretty positive we didn't get 30 mill a weeks until right around the time of the FEC war, when we were bringing in close to 800 million a day], and those who used vehicles were more than compensated for that as well. [I was never given isk for my DS's] EVERYONE was profiting from that point on.
Our Payroll reached as high as 1.6 billion per WEEK [Considering a CONSERVATIVE profit of 500 mill a day from our districts...that means we were paid less than 1/2 of what we brought in...while the rest went to pad a wallet], and we remained profitable as a corp and everyone was happy profiting week in and week out. [Read: "**** wtf Zatara you were more than happy then when I was paying you, as was everyone! Why all the cries for money now?"]
I managed to increase our corp profits considerably through real estate transactions, which sped us along to our current savings. While there is little use for it right now, this game still possesses immense potential and none of us can say one way or another if we will return or not. [Actually we made way more money later when he stopped selling **** and actually held it all, and would have made more, one of a few decisions I disagreed with and it wasn't until much later when we finally relented and let us hold what he fought to have] [SO stupid, give us a fair share if we ask for it, give us each our 1/32 and let us decide if your wallet is where we want it sitting for future TP endeavors]
But the fact remains there is that potential is still there. Does that really affect the current situation? no
I am declining funding you for the same reasons we discussed earlier. Team Players isk is for Team Players. You had the opportunity to take advantage of that, as well as likely funding under the IMPS banner, but you chose to go on your own, which is respected and still supported.
I'm sorry you don't agree with this, i really am, but in reality there is no reason you should be treated different than any other Team Player. We are a family, first and foremost, and a family that sticks together. This is a mentality you have not displayed recently for whatever reason, but once again, thats fine. []
Even before MHPD i was strongly against making a new corp, but caved largely to your passion for making it happen. I have no regrets and we had fun, although shortlived. But that was my attempt at doing something outside the clan and everyone was compensated regardless of the result
Your time and effort while in TEAM has been more than compensated, and asking for more in addition I simply cannot see the justification for permitting. [............................]
i'm sorry you dont see the difference between operating under the 'Team Players' banner and anything else, as this is a core principle of our clan that has shared tremendous success and great gaming experiences for the better part of a decade
[Meaning that if I was still under the TP banner he'd give me my fair share!? LOL no]
That's Master nader to you scrub.
Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
1735
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Posted - 2013.11.22 13:27:00 -
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Do I truly need this money [much less the loan he denied], no I have lucrative contracts that pay me quite handsomely. I even have a contract that simply requires I NOT ring against a certain corp. The point is though is not that I NEED this, but that I deserve the money I helped earn.
And I had no clue that the money I helped earn was outside of my control to claim it until yesterday.
My request never went to a floor vote, it was simply a decision made by Cubs and condoned by HT. [I begged him to contest the decision to no avail]
I viewed the corp wallet as simply the watering hole we all drank from.
Not as Cubs wallet that he and HT control without consent from anyone else.
That's Master nader to you scrub.
Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
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Ekrano Fergus
Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION
19
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Posted - 2013.11.22 13:41:00 -
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Interesting.
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SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
311
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Posted - 2013.11.22 13:45:00 -
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Sorry to hear you're having troubles... but it'll all work at At The End.
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General John Ripper
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Posted - 2013.11.22 14:54:00 -
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eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee trouble back home.
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
1414
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Posted - 2013.11.22 14:54:00 -
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I'll gladly loan you 500 000 000, when and if its needed.
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General John Ripper
5553
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:10:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:I'll gladly loan you 500 000 000, when and if its needed. very generous of you.
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DJINN Rampage
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
843
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:15:00 -
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that sucks man, i would loan some iskies to you if i ddn't spend a little over a billion in assets in the last week (Dem Dropships)
this post does, however make me appreciate my team and kujo even more for his passive attitude to the wallet and to the games in general.
seems im the only one that cries about losing here(only because when we lose, it's 99% my fault.. well okay 100%)
so that makes me cry myself to sleep and strive to be a better player like the friends im surrounded by. it's really sad that he won't give you any start up isk, sh*t i have a billion sitting somewhere JUST in case we lose all of our assets in a freak accident and need an injection of isk. That's honestly really childish of cubs and i send you my condolences Zatara
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
1737
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:25:00 -
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Update:
In Cubs defense he did say i was paid more than everyone else and this is true. I got paid back most of my donations and then also a short while later was given what was known as "Zatara's Bailout" to the tune to 100 mill isk. (This was when I had like 5 mill isk to my name and I could barely afford suits/weapons because CCP took them all when they were accounting for the money glitch). I don't believe leaving that out would be fair because it did happen. However...this is not a fair portion of what I played and earned...and does not justify the more important cold shoulder I was given on getting a loan.
I was kicked from the clan after a few choice insults (I strenuously avoided calling anyone "******* dense" "jackass" or the like)
There was never any good reason issued for being denied a loan. I will not vote for Cubs if he ran for CPM.
I guess I'm just surprised he would go this far over some fake money in a video game that's doing nothing for him and could help me out a ton.
That's Master nader to you scrub.
Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
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DJINN Rampage
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
845
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:30:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Update: In Cubs defense he did say i was paid more than everyone else and this is true. I got paid back most of my donations and then also a short while later was given what was known as "Zatara's Bailout" to the tune to 100 mill isk. (This was when I had like 5 mill isk to my name and I could barely afford suits/weapons because CCP took them all when they were accounting for the money glitch). I don't believe leaving that out would be fair because it did happen. However...this is not a fair portion of what I played and earned...and does not justify the more important cold shoulder I was given on getting a loan. I was kicked from the clan after a few choice insults (I strenuously avoided calling anyone "******* dense" "jackass" or the like) There was never any good reason issued for being denied a loan. I will not vote for Cubs if he ran for CPM. I guess I'm just surprised he would go this far over some fake money in a video game that's doing nothing for him and could help me out a ton.
so your no longer a team player? shame, here i was hoping to fight a bunch of old people.
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General John Ripper
5553
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:33:00 -
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DJINN Rampage wrote:
seems im the only one that cries about losing here(only because when we lose, it's 99% my fault.. well okay 100%)
so that makes me cry myself to sleep and strive to be a better player like the friends im surrounded by.
It is not your fault. Please don't cry anymore rampage. I want to see you being happy and having fun. <3 Next time I see you, I promise not to automatically aim for the head. I like to at least try to give noobs a bit of a handicap until they can improve.
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DJINN Rampage
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
845
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:35:00 -
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General John Ripper wrote:DJINN Rampage wrote:
seems im the only one that cries about losing here(only because when we lose, it's 99% my fault.. well okay 100%)
so that makes me cry myself to sleep and strive to be a better player like the friends im surrounded by.
It is not your fault. Please don't cry anymore rampage. I want to see you being happy and having fun. <3 Next time I see you, I promise not to automatically aim for the head. I like to at least try to give noobs a bit of a handicap until they can improve.
nahh das cool, i like when i die, it gives me a semi.
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General John Ripper
5553
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:41:00 -
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DJINN Rampage wrote:General John Ripper wrote:DJINN Rampage wrote:
seems im the only one that cries about losing here(only because when we lose, it's 99% my fault.. well okay 100%)
so that makes me cry myself to sleep and strive to be a better player like the friends im surrounded by.
It is not your fault. Please don't cry anymore rampage. I want to see you being happy and having fun. <3 Next time I see you, I promise not to automatically aim for the head. I like to at least try to give noobs a bit of a handicap until they can improve. nahh das cool, i like when i die, it gives me a semi. It all makes sense now... You can't possibly suck that much with all the pc you get... You are sucking on purpose to get yourself off! smh and here I am depriving myself from my own semi by trying not to kill you as hard as I could have.
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DJINN Rampage
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
845
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:43:00 -
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General John Ripper wrote:DJINN Rampage wrote:General John Ripper wrote:DJINN Rampage wrote:
seems im the only one that cries about losing here(only because when we lose, it's 99% my fault.. well okay 100%)
so that makes me cry myself to sleep and strive to be a better player like the friends im surrounded by.
It is not your fault. Please don't cry anymore rampage. I want to see you being happy and having fun. <3 Next time I see you, I promise not to automatically aim for the head. I like to at least try to give noobs a bit of a handicap until they can improve. nahh das cool, i like when i die, it gives me a semi. It all makes sense now... You can't possibly suck that much with all the pc you get... You are sucking on purpose to get yourself off! smh and here I am depriving myself from my own semi by trying not to kill you as hard as I could have.
oh don't get me wrong im still the biggest scrub in all of A.E
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General John Ripper
5553
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:46:00 -
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DJINN Rampage wrote:General John Ripper wrote:DJINN Rampage wrote:General John Ripper wrote:DJINN Rampage wrote:
seems im the only one that cries about losing here(only because when we lose, it's 99% my fault.. well okay 100%)
so that makes me cry myself to sleep and strive to be a better player like the friends im surrounded by.
It is not your fault. Please don't cry anymore rampage. I want to see you being happy and having fun. <3 Next time I see you, I promise not to automatically aim for the head. I like to at least try to give noobs a bit of a handicap until they can improve. nahh das cool, i like when i die, it gives me a semi. It all makes sense now... You can't possibly suck that much with all the pc you get... You are sucking on purpose to get yourself off! smh and here I am depriving myself from my own semi by trying not to kill you as hard as I could have. oh don't get me wrong im still the biggest scrub in all of A.E I miss seeing you in pc everyday. OH needs to start letting me into these fights
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DJINN Rampage
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
846
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Posted - 2013.11.22 15:50:00 -
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General John Ripper wrote:I miss seeing you in pc everyday. OH needs to start letting me into these fights
lol, you probobly won't see me on the ground much as soul usually has me suicide 24/7 (he likes to ruin my KDR) and running where he needs me which is either on top of a building with swarms, camping a contested objective with uplinks, or calling in a dropship to get shot down A.K.A im the distraction. LOLOL
BUT i also miss you too ripper, and i also miss Tbagging cubs daily :(
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
2205
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:32:00 -
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good luck running a corp and learning the ins and outs of everything involved with it.
You call yourself a TeamPlayer, yet you come to a public forum and simply copy and paste a private convo? Hmm no wonder you are no longer part of the family...
But that is that. I still wish you the best and its just unfortunate you cant be an adult like most and accept a decision and move on.
Common Sense and Logic are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
1739
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:39:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:good luck running a corp and learning the ins and outs of everything involved with it.
You call yourself a TeamPlayer, yet you come to a public forum and simply copy and paste a private convo? Hmm no wonder you are no longer part of the family...
But that is that. I still wish you the best and its just unfortunate you cant be an adult like most and accept a decision and move on.
The convo was public to TP, and now to the few that trololol the war room. You chose to not give your friend a loan. Live with your decision Cubs.
There's nothing to hide Cubs, don't be ashamed, own your decision not to loan me isk. Keep your video game money, lol. Better friends to have fun with mean more to me than greed and undue negativity. Thankfully others are stepping up.
I'm sure you can competently create some definition to justify how I didn't accept the decision, but that's all it truly is. More of the same, really. This is moving on.
Wish ya the best with all that isk. Hope it brings you happiness.
That's Master nader to you scrub.
Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
CCP's Motto: "SoonGäó"
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DJINN Rampage
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
847
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Posted - 2013.11.22 16:59:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:good luck running a corp and learning the ins and outs of everything involved with it.
You call yourself a TeamPlayer, yet you come to a public forum and simply copy and paste a private convo? Hmm no wonder you are no longer part of the family...
But that is that. I still wish you the best and its just unfortunate you cant be an adult like most and accept a decision and move on.
The convo was public to TP, and now to the few that trololol the war room. You chose to not give your friend a loan. Live with your decision Cubs. There's nothing to hide, don't be ashamed, own your decision not to loan me isk. Keep your video game money, lol. Better friends to have fun with mean more to me than greed and undue negativity. Thankfully others are stepping up. I'm sure you can competently create some definition to justify how I didn't accept the decision, but that's all it truly is. More of the same, really. This is moving on. Wish ya the best with all that isk. Hope it brings you happiness. Today I am a TeamPlayer no more, feel free to finish this with whatever last word you wish Cubs.
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Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
1328
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:03:00 -
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26 s&r most people above me have modded...I know cuz I've played them all
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
1741
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:04:00 -
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That's Master nader to you scrub.
Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
CCP's Motto: "SoonGäó"
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General John Ripper
Pradox One Proficiency V.
5556
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:05:00 -
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have I mentioned how much I love the war room?
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HighTimesSW
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
184
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:07:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Update: In Cubs defense he did say i was paid more than everyone else and this is true. I got paid back most of my donations and then also a short while later was given what was known as "Zatara's Bailout" to the tune to 100 mill isk. (This was when I had like 5 mill isk to my name and I could barely afford suits/weapons because CCP took them all when they were accounting for the money glitch). I don't believe leaving that out would be fair because it did happen. However...this is not a fair portion of what I played and earned...and does not justify the more important cold shoulder I was given on getting a loan. I was kicked from the clan after a few choice insults (I strenuously avoided calling anyone "******* dense" "jackass" or the like) There was never any good reason issued for being denied a loan. I will not vote for Cubs if he ran for CPM. I guess I'm just surprised he would go this far over some fake money in a video game that's doing nothing for him and could help me out a ton.
1. Zatara joined day 1 to TP and said this "What can you do for me" and "I donated 200M to SubDeddit and PFB and i'm not donating to a third corp"
2. he eventually, sent in 20M from an alt after I half jokingly made a remark about this a week later, he also followed it up with,
"My last 20M", So I sent it back. Total donations from members amounted to 4B isk, none of which was Zatara's.
3. Zatara, often whining about isk, was paid on top of 30M/week an additional 300M-500M.
4. I said zatara earned a portion of this isk, which is true. so he donated 20M.... and I have it back
20M/4B = .5% of earnings. 30B * .05% = 150M.
Zatara has been paid along with salary somewhere in the range of 1B isk.
5. **** you Zatara. ******* wiesel, You try to lead a group but put them all down, your not gonna make it as a leader
The isk that TP has accumulated was the property of teamplayers, and How dare you say I hold isk without consent.
Every single person in the corp knows where the isk is, and know's I wouldn't do anything with it that would put it at risk. for example, give you a billion to take a picture so you can post on the forums that you are a billionaire like some poor pathetic dream. I had full consent and disclosure from everyone, luckily I did it, since apparently you being a director gives you the right to remove isk from the wallet without anyone consent or approval. I don't care what reason why, or what you felt you compensated for, you did it.
The isk was for future endeavors, for the game gets good Soon TM. Cubs said you had financial backing for any TP endeavor you wanted to employ, but no you do not have personal backing from others ppls hard earned is, you have been paid what you were owed.
No you throw a public temper tantrum because you did not get your way. So you throw away years of personal relationships because you WANT isk, not NEED, which you proudly made very clear.
Truthfully, you will fail because instead of seeing your own faults as leader you point fingers and tell people it was their fault. It was your fault as the FC for not using you teams abilities to their fullest, not the individuals. Point fingers at rei and appia and w/e else you see. WINS are a team effort and Losses are the fault of the leader. |
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:15:00 -
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HighTimesSW wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Update: In Cubs defense he did say i was paid more than everyone else and this is true. I got paid back most of my donations and then also a short while later was given what was known as "Zatara's Bailout" to the tune to 100 mill isk. (This was when I had like 5 mill isk to my name and I could barely afford suits/weapons because CCP took them all when they were accounting for the money glitch). I don't believe leaving that out would be fair because it did happen. However...this is not a fair portion of what I played and earned...and does not justify the more important cold shoulder I was given on getting a loan. I was kicked from the clan after a few choice insults (I strenuously avoided calling anyone "******* dense" "jackass" or the like) There was never any good reason issued for being denied a loan. I will not vote for Cubs if he ran for CPM. I guess I'm just surprised he would go this far over some fake money in a video game that's doing nothing for him and could help me out a ton. 1. Zatara joined day 1 to TP and said this "What can you do for me" and "I donated 200M to SubDeddit and PFB and i'm not donating to a third corp" 2. he eventually, sent in 20M from an alt after I half jokingly made a remark about this a week later, he also followed it up with, "My last 20M", So I sent it back. Total donations from members amounted to 4B isk, none of which was Zatara's. 3. Zatara, often whining about isk, was paid on top of 30M/week an additional 300M-500M. 4. I said zatara earned a portion of this isk, which is true. so he donated 20M.... and I have it back 20M/4B = .5% of earnings. 30B * .05% = 150M. Zatara has been paid along with salary somewhere in the range of 1B isk. 5. **** you Zatara. ******* wiesel, You try to lead a group but put them all down, your not gonna make it as a leader The isk that TP has accumulated was the property of teamplayers, and How dare you say I hold isk without consent. Every single person in the corp knows where the isk is, and know's I wouldn't do anything with it that would put it at risk. for example, give you a billion to take a picture so you can post on the forums that you are a billionaire like some poor pathetic dream. I had full consent and disclosure from everyone, luckily I did it, since apparently you being a director gives you the right to remove isk from the wallet without anyone consent or approval. I don't care what reason why, or what you felt you compensated for, you did it. The isk was for future endeavors, for the game gets good Soon TM. Cubs said you had financial backing for any TP endeavor you wanted to employ, but no you do not have personal backing from others ppls hard earned is, you have been paid what you were owed. No you throw a public temper tantrum because you did not get your way. So you throw away years of personal relationships because you WANT isk, not NEED, which you proudly made very clear. Truthfully, you will fail because instead of seeing your own faults as leader you point fingers and tell people it was their fault. It was your fault as the FC for not using you teams abilities to their fullest, not the individuals. Point fingers at rei and appia and w/e else you see. WINS are a team effort and Losses are the fault of the leader. I'll be removing you from Skype and PSN when I return home, or do me the kindness of removing yourself.
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