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Gabriella Grey wrote:

Vulpes Dolosus wrote:

The only thing that need changed with forges, honestly, is a range nerf. 400m can literally deny vehicles whole maps if positioned with any thought. Something like 200-250m.

Yes and i would say less than that. if there will be eventually proto vehicles, or if vehicles can stand up to the solo av player then this will not be an issue. Though even at 200m that is still too much range for a gun that shoots from the hip, doing such serious damage. The damage should also be looked into once all vehicle variants are out. Caldari dropships are mostly one shot out of the air, and gallente dropships take about 2 or 3 shots, but are usually shot down, by the lack of the vehicle reaching its maximum speed. I really wish CCP would have taken out proto AV for 1.7. It really does not fulfill its role, being there is nothing proto about vehicles that are out. Plus the description of the heavy states that it can be on level with a vehicle. Currently it is by far more when one is equipped with a forge gun. I would like to see a forge gun alone costing over 1 million isk, or perhaps have vehicle prices take a plunge where, players who spec into vehicles can have a fun factor into the game. Either way, the biggest thing after balancing vehicles is surely to balance vehicles and AV.

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Tank Missile Intara Direct Action Caldari State 47	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:39:00 - [31] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Tank Missile wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Rail Gun = rail tech Sniper Rifle = rail tech Rail Rifle = rail tech Forge Gun = rail tech rail tech = high alpha, low rof, and long range If you want to nerf one(FG), be ready to nerf ALL rail tech. I'd be OK with this if the FG were actually low RoF, but assault variant gives more damage and a RoF comparable to the SL. You have to actually aim a FG and with its completely unrealistic travel time, you end up having to lead your target at range. Rail turrets shoot farther, faster, and with the same splash radius(see 1.7 changes) but that's ok because it is on a tank right? IDGAF, nerf the railguns too, but don't give some bull excuse that rails are low RoF and therefore balanced. "History is written by the victor-" Blah, blah blah, let's go shoot some stuff!
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 28	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:55:00 - [32] - Quote Message from Godin: From what the new weapons thread says, and what I've been hearing on IRC from Devs and CPM, no, it's false.
Harpyja Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 811	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:09:00 - [33] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin: From what the new weapons thread says, and what I've been hearing on IRC from Devs and CPM, no, it's false. I hope what you're saying is true "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 522	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:16:00 - [34] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Imagine the forgie on a caldari/minmatar heavy... God those ***** high slots... I hope the caldari heavy bonus is a charge up time reduction. Breach forge guns firing as fast as an assault forge gun. CALDARI MASTER RACE**
Gabriella Grey The Neutral Zone 96	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:47:00 - [35] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: The only thing that need changed with forges, honestly, is a range nerf. 400m can literally deny vehicles whole maps if positioned with any thought. Something like 200-250m. Yes and i would say less than that. if there will be eventually proto vehicles, or if vehicles can stand up to the solo av player then this will not be an issue. Though even at 200m that is still too much range for a gun that shoots from the hip, doing such serious damage. The damage should also be looked into once all vehicle variants are out. Caldari dropships are mostly one shot out of the air, and gallente dropships take about 2 or 3 shots, but are usually shot down, by the lack of the vehicle reaching its maximum speed. I really wish CCP would have taken out proto AV for 1.7. It really does not fulfill its role, being there is nothing proto about vehicles that are out. Plus the description of the heavy states that it can be on level with a vehicle. Currently it is by far more when one is equipped with a forge gun. I would like to see a forge gun alone costing over 1 million isk, or perhaps have vehicle prices take a plunge where, players who spec into vehicles can have a fun factor into the game. Either way, the biggest thing after balancing vehicles is surely to balance vehicles and AV.
Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 253	Posted - 2013.11.22 05:23:00 - [36] - Quote Gabriella Grey wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: The only thing that need changed with forges, honestly, is a range nerf. 400m can literally deny vehicles whole maps if positioned with any thought. Something like 200-250m. Yes and i would say less than that. if there will be eventually proto vehicles, or if vehicles can stand up to the solo av player then this will not be an issue. Though even at 200m that is still too much range for a gun that shoots from the hip, doing such serious damage. The damage should also be looked into once all vehicle variants are out. Caldari dropships are mostly one shot out of the air, and gallente dropships take about 2 or 3 shots, but are usually shot down, by the lack of the vehicle reaching its maximum speed. I really wish CCP would have taken out proto AV for 1.7. It really does not fulfill its role, being there is nothing proto about vehicles that are out. Plus the description of the heavy states that it can be on level with a vehicle. Currently it is by far more when one is equipped with a forge gun. I would like to see a forge gun alone costing over 1 million isk, or perhaps have vehicle prices take a plunge where, players who spec into vehicles can have a fun factor into the game. Either way, the biggest thing after balancing vehicles is surely to balance vehicles and AV. You know what... nerf the FG into oblivion. In exchange, give heavies the same shield and armor as a tank as well as a tank's resistance to small arms fire. Also while we are at it, let them use a large turret as a weapon. After all Heavies SHOULD be on level with vehicles How to make a Heavy Laser: 1.Take laser 2.Make it REALLY BIG 3.Give it to the heavy sobbing quietly in the corner.
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1653	Posted - 2013.11.22 05:30:00 - [37] - Quote CCP has said they are looking at the FG, but no changes are confirmed. And, considering that both CPM have a NDA they need to keep, and that CPM probably don't get the whole story, its false. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy Replication Warrior
SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 156	Posted - 2013.11.22 07:32:00 - [38] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: CCP has said they are looking at the FG, but no changes are confirmed. And, considering that both CPM have a NDA they need to keep, and that CPM probably don't get the whole story, its false. sigh Quote: [Hans Jagerblitzen: No, no changes to Forge Guns for 1.7 [Steel Darknight: Hans is the above confirmed and can it be discussed outside this channel? [Hans Jagerblitzen: Yes and yes [Hans Jagerblitzen: if there were they'd be in the dev blog In addition, if you knew anything about Hans you would know that if he wasn't allowed to discuss it then he wouldn't.
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1505	Posted - 2013.11.22 08:16:00 - [39] - Quote LOLWUT!? Hahahahahahah GG, CCP! Whoever puts the refunded SP into tanks deserves to be OHK'ed, at this point. This is natural selection. [/end sarcasm] Goodbye tanks! Welcome Assault Forge Gun and Scrambler Rifle (30 meters range buff LOL!)! -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 41	Posted - 2013.11.22 08:23:00 - [40] - Quote Keri would said it was ok for you to come out of hide and seek Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris

Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1506	Posted - 2013.11.22 08:27:00 - [41] - Quote Infamous Erich wrote: Keri would said it was ok for you to come out of hide and seek What do you mean? Maybe I don't get it just because I'm quite tired right now... I'm sorry... -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1467	Posted - 2013.11.22 10:23:00 - [42] - Quote One shotting Tanks all day long The answer is "ForgeGun"... doesnt matter what the question is...
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 869	Posted - 2013.11.22 11:27:00 - [43] - Quote There's no issues with the Forge Gun at the standard and advanced levels. Those two levels are perfectly fine. It's the prototype ones that are scaled in unstable amounts. Its Assault variant shoots faster with more damage than the advanced, making it the strongest FG in terms of DPS. That's not right. The damage isn't right. The damage of the Assaults can- no, should- be toned down. This is coming from the guy that used to constantly run the Forge Gun. (I still do, but I'm on a double Assault Scrambler Pistol spree for a while now.) The people that run the prototype Forge Guns of any variant are going to have at least prof. 3 and damage modifier stack for tank busting. That's logical. You wouldn't charge a heavy wielding a HMG with a Scrambler Pistol with no damage mods or prof, would you? Didn't think so. Someone worded the Swarm Launcher and Forge Gun in a way that I'll pass on. The Swarm Launcher is a light weapon and should be a light anti-vehicle weapon, meaning it is not able to easily combat high geared vehicles by itself. The Forge Gun is an anti-material weapon. It's a heavy one. Its main use is to pop tanks, though we use it against infantry as well. It's supposed to be able to combat a high geared tank. I'm not saying easily, but just be able to. This is my opinion. You will never have unstoppable tanks. We will prevail. "I am a mercenary, I do as I need. I'll shed Amarrian blood for the freedom of my Minmitar allies but only for a price."
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 998	Posted - 2013.11.22 11:34:00 - [44] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: So far weGÇÖve touched the AV Grenades and Swarm Launcher, we do also plan to look at the Forge Gun. That was only a few weeks ago. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 757	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:26:00 - [45] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: ...the thing is , getting into 175 range with swarms or a 200mts with a HEAVY suit that is UP as it is is just suicidal. Its obvious for AV infantry to want to be as far away of the vehicle as possible. Its not hard to understand.. I think you are making a mistake here. The heavy suit has always been described as point defence. HMG players use this as a reference point to ask for more HP and gun changes to make them more effective at this role. Why should a forge user be able to roam the map at will with ease? I think the intention for the forge is to counter tanks that threaten the teams current goal. Capturing or defending a single objective. You may want to shoot anywhere on the map you want from complete saftey but it is not balanced. If the tank is 175 meters away it is likely at another objective of on the fringe of where you are. Why should you be free to defend many objectives from your single point? Shouldn't that be the job of the forge gun at the other objectives? or should you not get a vehicle user to help get you in range? The forge guns current range allows for high alpha on multiple objectives from positions of complete or near complete safety. What you are saying is that its hard or dangerous for swarmers or forgers to have to chase a target so you should be able to do it from anywhere. As it stands now getting onto a MAP with a forge gunner on it in a vehicle is suicidal. Too much power with too few limits. The 1.7 no range change to forge guns is a huge mistake. The forge is the most broken and unbalanced gun in the game at the moment. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3862	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:36:00 - [46] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Why is it we have some people who badly want boosting of their own stuff and nerfing of other people's things? Vehicles are getting "nerfed" in 1.7, swarms and AV 'nades are getting "nerfed" in 1.7, but forge guns remain unchanged? Where do you see the balance in that when forge guns can currently lock down almost an entire map? Vehicles are getting a heavy buff. Base hull strength doesn't mean crap. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 123	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:43:00 - [47] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Harpyja wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Why is it we have some people who badly want boosting of their own stuff and nerfing of other people's things? Vehicles are getting "nerfed" in 1.7, swarms and AV 'nades are getting "nerfed" in 1.7, but forge guns remain unchanged? Where do you see the balance in that when forge guns can currently lock down almost an entire map? Vehicles are getting a heavy buff. Base hull strength doesn't mean crap. at the cost of low uptimes then hide like a ***** hoping there are no forge guns on a high spot. seriously, av can hide from any vehicle to basically have invincibility, then destroy it, or defend everywhere with no risk and destroying all vehicles, again, all objectives, hiding, another reason why forge guns are broken. recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit


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