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Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
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Posted - 2013.11.19 16:56:00 -
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TuFar Gon wrote:Ugh!!! Just ugh!! we gotta get around somehow u phuking cry baby btch,,WUT DA HELL!! Can we heavies do anything without u pussssi mediums cryin about it.
Here's to missing the point. Cheers. |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
1184
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Posted - 2013.11.19 16:59:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:Besides, PLEASE enlighten me on how 'drive up to the f$%^er in an invulnerable doom-jeep' is even equatable to 'tactics.' Zhuge Liang is spinning in his grave. No he isn't. Zhuge Liang is doing a slow clap and saying, "GG, Chariot-riding Budai. GG."
You say that now, but it's only a matter of time until the GalLogis start using this with shotguns. We'll see who's crying foul then about egress animations.
Hint: It will be everyone.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION
106
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Posted - 2013.11.19 16:59:00 -
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AV nades kill the heavy in his LAV easier than it is to kill him with anything once he gets out.
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Karl Marx II
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2013.11.19 17:02:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:I am annoyed at post like this who think that using tactics to overcome a statistical disadvantage is OP. i concur how else do you expect the fat boys to get around on open maps..? hell im specced into lavs just to shuttle heavis with my logi stop crying op and stfu
The point he is making is that you shouldn't be able to instantly jump in and out of LAVs .. I have to admit that it's a petty silly mechanic .. go to back of vehicle press circle and instantly in the drivers seat .. I mean that's stupid
He isn't complaining about Heavies using Logi's LOL
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Slag Emberforge
Immortal Retribution
126
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Posted - 2013.11.19 17:12:00 -
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Lol, to some extent the in out of LAVs is a bit.. Wrong.
But seriously.
Do you even (lift) AV? An Advanced AV nade or two can usually take out most LAVs much easier to kill them in the car than out. |
Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
155
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Posted - 2013.11.19 17:18:00 -
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Slag Emberforge wrote:Lol, to some extent the in out of LAVs is a bit.. Wrong.
But seriously.
Do you even (lift) AV? An Advanced AV nade or two can usually take out most LAVs much easier to kill them in the car than out.
Out of curiosity (I honestly don't know), how many AV nades does it take to bring down a well fit shield LLAV? |
SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
290
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Posted - 2013.11.19 17:21:00 -
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Can I ask how the HMG range makes any sense? Or... anything in this game?
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chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
75
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Posted - 2013.11.19 17:22:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:I'm annoyed. Big fat heavies rolling around and instantaneously appearing out of their logi LAV with a HMG in your face. To test my theory I timed how long it took for me to get out of a car and I found it wasn't instantaneous! The best proof of what is happening that I could find was here. It's a bit outdated but clearly outlines the seriousness of this issue. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=llUFoQ448wU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DllUFoQ448wU give heavies a HMG with good range, and we might actually have a chance without the LAV |
Koan Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
31
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Posted - 2013.11.19 17:24:00 -
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I oneshot the last person that tried this to me...heavies dont like getting hit in the chest with a plasma cannon charge. His partner got my poor scout after my pistol was empty though. Oh well, still killed the heavy. And my partner got the other one.
Two in the head boss?
Two in the head...
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
1487
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Posted - 2013.11.19 17:53:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Out of curiosity (I honestly don't know), how many AV nades does it take to bring down a well fit shield LLAV?
6 proto-packed if I ignore my shield booster which might barely allow for me to take that 6th.
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Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
155
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Posted - 2013.11.19 18:24:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:Boot Booter wrote:Out of curiosity (I honestly don't know), how many AV nades does it take to bring down a well fit shield LLAV? 6 proto-packed if I ignore my shield booster which might barely allow for me to take that 6th.
Hmm... thats a lot. |
Slag Emberforge
Immortal Retribution
126
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Posted - 2013.11.19 18:28:00 -
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Not a vet, I use cheapo LAVs of course if you have 20 mil SP or you are a vehicle first infantry second person that dramatically alters the engagement. |
MassiveNine
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
536
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Posted - 2013.11.19 18:44:00 -
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Would you tell an armed forces veteran that he's a scrub because he used a hummer to protect himself and travel across large areas? that's what I thought.
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Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
155
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Posted - 2013.11.19 18:59:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:Would you tell an armed forces veteran that he's a scrub because he used a hummer to protect himself and travel across large areas? that's what I thought.
Didn't know that armed forces hummers came with the teleportation feature. |
Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
769
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Posted - 2013.11.19 19:07:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:I am annoyed at post like this who think that using tactics to overcome a statistical disadvantage is OP. i concur how else do you expect the fat boys to get around on open maps..? hell im specced into lavs just to shuttle heavis with my logi stop crying op and stfu He isn't crying that Heavies shouldn't be able to get into LAVs, that would be absurd. He is upset over the instatanious in/out crap that we've had to put up with since the game came out. They need to have animations for getting in and out of all vehicles to fix this situation. It might even fix Dropship suicides if people leaving it are shown getting out instead of appearing within the ship and being 'crushed.' you practically jump out not everything needs a animation ...there is no long and tedious deployment animation for re's like there is in most games..and look people chuck em off roofs like nades..in the time any animation occurred any one would slaughter any suit in dust it only takes about 2.5 secs to kill any suit in the game...if you dont want that heavy popping in your face carry av nades..i do and when heavies try and pull that **** their lav dies wiping out their shield and then they get my proto smg to the face along with the heavy 2 feet to my lefts hmg(i always role with the fat boys)...actually if u do that once bet that heavy wont come near u again..he wil make a point NOT to try and jump you lol (in other words get good stop crying)
animations for leaving vehicles a good idea yeah NO |
SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
291
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Posted - 2013.11.19 19:07:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:MassiveNine wrote:Would you tell an armed forces veteran that he's a scrub because he used a hummer to protect himself and travel across large areas? that's what I thought. Didn't know that armed forces hummers came with the teleportation feature. Wouldn't need teleportation feature if it had bullet proof glass like real hum-ves. That would cause some REAL tears. Be glad for what you get. ;)
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Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
366
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Posted - 2013.11.19 19:56:00 -
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TuFar Gon wrote:Ugh!!! Just ugh!! we gotta get around somehow u phuking cry baby btch,,WUT DA HELL!! Can we heavies do anything without u pussssi mediums cryin about it.
Wow this response is typical of your arrogant tryhard corp wouldn't surprise me if you were all little boys. |
MassiveNine
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
536
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Posted - 2013.11.19 20:10:00 -
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Robocop Junior wrote:TuFar Gon wrote:Ugh!!! Just ugh!! we gotta get around somehow u phuking cry baby btch,,WUT DA HELL!! Can we heavies do anything without u pussssi mediums cryin about it. Wow this response is typical of your arrogant tryhard corp wouldn't surprise me if you were all little boys.
Well besides his grammar which could use some work he's absolutely right. We get nerfed, tons of people leave the frame. Those who do stay figure out a good way to use it, people come back. All of a sudden it's OP again, and you see the little babies in this thread crying about it. Wa Wa Boo Hoo A heavy in a LAV killed me. I'm sorry, but could you tell me what a LAV is for then if it's not supposed to be used to carry me around?
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Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
155
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:21:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:Robocop Junior wrote:TuFar Gon wrote:Ugh!!! Just ugh!! we gotta get around somehow u phuking cry baby btch,,WUT DA HELL!! Can we heavies do anything without u pussssi mediums cryin about it. Wow this response is typical of your arrogant tryhard corp wouldn't surprise me if you were all little boys. Well besides his grammar which could use some work he's absolutely right. We get nerfed, tons of people leave the frame. Those who do stay figure out a good way to use it, people come back. All of a sudden it's OP again, and you see the little babies in this thread crying about it. Wa Wa Boo Hoo A heavy in a LAV killed me. I'm sorry, but could you tell me what a LAV is for then if it's not supposed to be used to carry me around?
Wow you guys are clowns. I'm not really complaining about heavies using LAVs. Let me break it down for you. First, I love heavies. I think they need more weapons but that's a whole different topic. Heavies play a very specialized role in dust. Some heavies thinking that they are a Rambo God creation are the root cause of everyone "crying" for a buff. I think they're are fine to good at doing what they are intended. Second, this post isn't specific to heavies. I am really talking about the instant in and out of vehicles. This is a poor mechanic in dust that anyone can abuse. The reason I brought up heavies is because they are most likely to use this because the hmg sucks everywhere but CQC. Third, did I ever cry like you depicted? I was more making a joke that is related to something that should probably be fixed.
Get good at reading comprehension?
To answer your question, what is an LAV for? It's for transporting troops from point A to point B. It's not for abusing a poor game mechanic and driving around the entire match looking for easy 1v1s. Oh and if it turns out things aren't working out let's just press circle and instantly be safe and cruise off into the sunset. Now tell me, who's more of a ***** cry baby?
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Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
158
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:16:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:I am annoyed at post like this who think that using tactics to overcome a statistical disadvantage is OP. i concur how else do you expect the fat boys to get around on open maps..? hell im specced into lavs just to shuttle heavis with my logi stop crying op and stfu He isn't crying that Heavies shouldn't be able to get into LAVs, that would be absurd. He is upset over the instatanious in/out crap that we've had to put up with since the game came out. They need to have animations for getting in and out of all vehicles to fix this situation. It might even fix Dropship suicides if people leaving it are shown getting out instead of appearing within the ship and being 'crushed.' you practically jump out not everything needs a animation ...there is no long and tedious deployment animation for re's like there is in most games..and look people chuck em off roofs like nades..in the time any animation occurred any one would slaughter any suit in dust it only takes about 2.5 secs to kill any suit in the game...if you dont want that heavy popping in your face carry av nades..i do and when heavies try and pull that **** their lav dies wiping out their shield and then they get my proto smg to the face along with the heavy 2 feet to my lefts hmg(i always role with the fat boys)...actually if u do that once bet that heavy wont come near u again..he wil make a point NOT to try and jump you lol (in other words get good stop crying) animations for leaving vehicles a good idea yeah NO
It's about making the game feel more realistic. I'm not saying we should have an animation where the guy climbs in, buckles his seat belt, and adjusts the mirrors. Just a quick half second hop over the door into the seat. Or at least having to be in the right location. How can someone standing at the tail of a car instantly be in the drivers seat? Hell, even make it so the doors are a shield you can climb quickly through but can't shoot through. There's animations for climbing ladders. You don't just press a button and appear at the top. The time it takes for this proposed animation would be an incentive not to use cars as a easy ambush mode. People who believe using an LAV in the manner I have previously described is a legit and realistic tactic are either 1) too stupid to understand or 2) lying because they like to abuse this. Period. In a game like dust, there is no argument that can be made with the foundation "realistic = bad".
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Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
1559
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:19:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:LOL I am guilty of this. My personal crusade to kill other protos requires drastic methods. Plus I was experimenting. I was in a match where you were "experimenting". I, too, was experimenting, with a more flank-favored Militia Scout Suit with a Burst Assault Rifle. Seeing if Scouts were better at longer ranges than in CQC.
Turns out they aren't when faced with a Krin's right in their face :/
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Ridire Greine
10
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:24:00 -
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Ah, but is your car a convertible?
Thats Rid-air-a Gray-nah, for all you scrubs out there.
D:
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Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
158
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:33:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Boot Booter wrote:LOL I am guilty of this. My personal crusade to kill other protos requires drastic methods. Plus I was experimenting. I was in a match where you were "experimenting". I, too, was experimenting, with a more flank-favored Militia Scout Suit with a Burst Assault Rifle. Seeing if Scouts were better at longer ranges than in CQC. Turns out they aren't when faced with a Krin's right in their face :/
Haha sorry man I promise I don't usually try to pub stomp with PC gear. At least you didn't run into me "experimenting" with my balac gar AR. If it's any consolance, I lost the krin in that match too. Btw. Use the tac AR for the long range scout thing. The burst is just a weird twisted Gallente version of the upcoming God rifle. |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
1559
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:36:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Haha sorry man I promise I don't usually try to pub stomp with PC gear. At least you didn't run into me "experimenting" with my balac gar AR. If it's any consolance, I lost the krin in that match too. Btw. Use the tac AR for the long range scout thing. The burst is just a weird twisted Gallente version of the upcoming God rifle. IIRC you lost 5
I was also trying it out to see if I like the Combat Rifle :D
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Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
160
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:40:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Boot Booter wrote:Haha sorry man I promise I don't usually try to pub stomp with PC gear. At least you didn't run into me "experimenting" with my balac gar AR. If it's any consolance, I lost the krin in that match too. Btw. Use the tac AR for the long range scout thing. The burst is just a weird twisted Gallente version of the upcoming God rifle. IIRC you lost 5 I was also trying it out to see if I like the Combat Rifle :D
LOL probs did. It's just a Duvolle with a few extra rounds. Not too special. How often do you get one shot with a Thale from some red line sniper? As soon as I break out an officer AR though.. Poo hits fans.
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MassiveNine
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
543
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:45:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:MassiveNine wrote:Robocop Junior wrote:TuFar Gon wrote:Ugh!!! Just ugh!! we gotta get around somehow u phuking cry baby btch,,WUT DA HELL!! Can we heavies do anything without u pussssi mediums cryin about it. Wow this response is typical of your arrogant tryhard corp wouldn't surprise me if you were all little boys. Well besides his grammar which could use some work he's absolutely right. We get nerfed, tons of people leave the frame. Those who do stay figure out a good way to use it, people come back. All of a sudden it's OP again, and you see the little babies in this thread crying about it. Wa Wa Boo Hoo A heavy in a LAV killed me. I'm sorry, but could you tell me what a LAV is for then if it's not supposed to be used to carry me around? Wow you guys are clowns. I'm not really complaining about heavies using LAVs. Let me break it down for you. First, I love heavies. I think they need more weapons but that's a whole different topic. Heavies play a very specialized role in dust. Some heavies thinking that they are a Rambo God creation are the root cause of everyone "crying" for a buff. I think they're are fine to good at doing what they are intended. Second, this post isn't specific to heavies. I am really talking about the instant in and out of vehicles. This is a poor mechanic in dust that anyone can abuse. The reason I brought up heavies is because they are most likely to use this because the hmg sucks everywhere but CQC. Third, did I ever cry like you depicted? I was more making a joke that is related to something that should probably be fixed. Get good at reading comprehension? To answer your question, what is an LAV for? It's for transporting troops from point A to point B. It's not for abusing a poor game mechanic and driving around the entire match looking for easy 1v1s. Oh and if it turns out things aren't working out let's just press circle and instantly be safe and cruise off into the sunset. Now tell me, who's more of a ***** cry baby?
It's funny, when people have a bad argument the first things they attack are grammar and "comprehension." Maybe you're the person who should go back and re-read things. Never once did I single you out as a cry baby. CCP is built around broken mechanics we just have to do what we can to survive until things get fixed or better. With the new HP buff they have definitely been better but I won't stop "crying" until we get all our racial suits and more weapons. I'm sorry that you felt the need to defend yourself over your own mistake, but maybe you should read things twice before you let poopy fall out that open hole in your face.
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
1118
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:57:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:I'm annoyed. Big fat heavies rolling around and instantaneously appearing out of their logi LAV with a HMG in your face. To test my theory I timed how long it took for me to get out of a car and I found it wasn't instantaneous! The best proof of what is happening that I could find was here. It's a bit outdated but clearly outlines the seriousness of this issue. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=llUFoQ448wU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DllUFoQ448wU Actually, heavies overcoming their built in disadvantage by riding around in LAVs makes a lot of sense.
Though, I will admit that I have always thought that we should have entrance and exit animations for vehicles as well as alterations to LAV performance based on dropsuit mass but that is probably just me.
I mean, I know it is a game but I think that some things that make sense on a basic level should be included
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Leovarian L Lavitz
NECROM0NGERS
789
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Posted - 2013.11.20 01:04:00 -
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I love to do this with my medium suits, but it is a blessing for heavies. If I couldn't exit instantly I'd probably roll the Lav to toss myself into the air and then come in from above, shooting all the way. (I do this sometimes for fun.)
I mostly use the LAV tactic when I'm running solo. It's my wingman when I don't have anyone to back me up.
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Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
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Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
162
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Posted - 2013.11.20 01:43:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote: It's funny, when people have a bad argument the first things they attack are grammar and "comprehension." Maybe you're the person who should go back and re-read things. Never once did I single you out as a cry baby. CCP is built around broken mechanics we just have to do what we can to survive until things get fixed or better. With the new HP buff they have definitely been better but I won't stop "crying" until we get all our racial suits and more weapons. I'm sorry that you felt the need to defend yourself over your own mistake, but maybe you should read things twice before you let poopy fall out that open hole in your face.
I never attacked anyones grammer... I said "Get good reading comprehension?" as a joke about the popular "Get good?" saying which is roughly analogous to some people's argument to why some people should stop being cry babies about this subject.
Yeah I agree, instant LAV entering and exiting is a bad mechanic and needs to be fixed. Thats kinda the whole point of this thread.
Not sure what racial variants of heavies really have to do with this but yes, I agree with that too.
Any thing else I can help clear up for you? I am perfectly happy to hold your hand and walk you through all of this. I know reading is tough but together, anything is possible. |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
1561
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Posted - 2013.11.20 01:45:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:I never attacked anyones grammer... I said "Get good reading comprehension?" as a joke about the popular "Get good?" saying which is roughly analogous to some people's argument to why some people should stop being cry babies about this subject. Yeah I agree, instant LAV entering and exiting is a bad mechanic and needs to be fixed. Thats kinda the whole point of this thread. Not sure what racial variants of heavies really have to do with this but yes, I agree with that too. Any thing else I can help clear up for you? I am perfectly happy to hold your hand and walk you through all of this. I know reading is tough but together, anything is possible. Imagine this:
Driving up to an objective that the enemies got to slightly before you.
Get out, which takes 3 seconds.
Before you've even opened the door, you're dead.
ö/\ö :D
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