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Boot Booter
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Posted - 2013.11.19 01:24:00 -
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I'm annoyed. Big fat heavies rolling around and instantaneously appearing out of their logi LAV with a HMG in your face. To test my theory I timed how long it took for me to get out of a car and I found it wasn't instantaneous!
The best proof of what is happening that I could find was here. It's a bit outdated but clearly outlines the seriousness of this issue.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=llUFoQ448wU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DllUFoQ448wU |
Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
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Posted - 2013.11.19 03:54:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Boot Booter wrote:I'm annoyed. Big fat heavies rolling around and instantaneously appearing out of their logi LAV with a HMG in your face. To test my theory I timed how long it took for me to get out of a car and I found it wasn't instantaneous! The best proof of what is happening that I could find was here. It's a bit outdated but clearly outlines the seriousness of this issue. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=llUFoQ448wU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DllUFoQ448wU I'm annoyed at people who run 'Neo' Proto Min Logis with Krin's Sin-11 Assault Rifles.....
LOL I am guilty of this. My personal crusade to kill other protos requires drastic methods. Plus I was experimenting. |
Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
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Posted - 2013.11.19 03:55:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:I am annoyed at post like this who think that using tactics to overcome a statistical disadvantage is OP. i concur how else do you expect the fat boys to get around on open maps..? hell im specced into lavs just to shuttle heavis with my logi stop crying op and stfu
Not crying.. Actually it's not just towards heavies.. I'm actually annoyed that anyone can instantly get out of a car firing. Shouldn't there be an animation or something of them getting out? Idk. |
Boot Booter
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Posted - 2013.11.19 16:55:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:sounds like someone figured out how to get inside of your AR range and out DPS you.
tactics are OP. nerf tactics/
I don't really use the AR..? |
Boot Booter
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Posted - 2013.11.19 16:56:00 -
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TuFar Gon wrote:Ugh!!! Just ugh!! we gotta get around somehow u phuking cry baby btch,,WUT DA HELL!! Can we heavies do anything without u pussssi mediums cryin about it.
Here's to missing the point. Cheers. |
Boot Booter
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Posted - 2013.11.19 17:18:00 -
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Slag Emberforge wrote:Lol, to some extent the in out of LAVs is a bit.. Wrong.
But seriously.
Do you even (lift) AV? An Advanced AV nade or two can usually take out most LAVs much easier to kill them in the car than out.
Out of curiosity (I honestly don't know), how many AV nades does it take to bring down a well fit shield LLAV? |
Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
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Posted - 2013.11.19 18:24:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:Boot Booter wrote:Out of curiosity (I honestly don't know), how many AV nades does it take to bring down a well fit shield LLAV? 6 proto-packed if I ignore my shield booster which might barely allow for me to take that 6th.
Hmm... thats a lot. |
Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
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Posted - 2013.11.19 18:59:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:Would you tell an armed forces veteran that he's a scrub because he used a hummer to protect himself and travel across large areas? that's what I thought.
Didn't know that armed forces hummers came with the teleportation feature. |
Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:21:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:Robocop Junior wrote:TuFar Gon wrote:Ugh!!! Just ugh!! we gotta get around somehow u phuking cry baby btch,,WUT DA HELL!! Can we heavies do anything without u pussssi mediums cryin about it. Wow this response is typical of your arrogant tryhard corp wouldn't surprise me if you were all little boys. Well besides his grammar which could use some work he's absolutely right. We get nerfed, tons of people leave the frame. Those who do stay figure out a good way to use it, people come back. All of a sudden it's OP again, and you see the little babies in this thread crying about it. Wa Wa Boo Hoo A heavy in a LAV killed me. I'm sorry, but could you tell me what a LAV is for then if it's not supposed to be used to carry me around?
Wow you guys are clowns. I'm not really complaining about heavies using LAVs. Let me break it down for you. First, I love heavies. I think they need more weapons but that's a whole different topic. Heavies play a very specialized role in dust. Some heavies thinking that they are a Rambo God creation are the root cause of everyone "crying" for a buff. I think they're are fine to good at doing what they are intended. Second, this post isn't specific to heavies. I am really talking about the instant in and out of vehicles. This is a poor mechanic in dust that anyone can abuse. The reason I brought up heavies is because they are most likely to use this because the hmg sucks everywhere but CQC. Third, did I ever cry like you depicted? I was more making a joke that is related to something that should probably be fixed.
Get good at reading comprehension?
To answer your question, what is an LAV for? It's for transporting troops from point A to point B. It's not for abusing a poor game mechanic and driving around the entire match looking for easy 1v1s. Oh and if it turns out things aren't working out let's just press circle and instantly be safe and cruise off into the sunset. Now tell me, who's more of a ***** cry baby?
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Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:16:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:I am annoyed at post like this who think that using tactics to overcome a statistical disadvantage is OP. i concur how else do you expect the fat boys to get around on open maps..? hell im specced into lavs just to shuttle heavis with my logi stop crying op and stfu He isn't crying that Heavies shouldn't be able to get into LAVs, that would be absurd. He is upset over the instatanious in/out crap that we've had to put up with since the game came out. They need to have animations for getting in and out of all vehicles to fix this situation. It might even fix Dropship suicides if people leaving it are shown getting out instead of appearing within the ship and being 'crushed.' you practically jump out not everything needs a animation ...there is no long and tedious deployment animation for re's like there is in most games..and look people chuck em off roofs like nades..in the time any animation occurred any one would slaughter any suit in dust it only takes about 2.5 secs to kill any suit in the game...if you dont want that heavy popping in your face carry av nades..i do and when heavies try and pull that **** their lav dies wiping out their shield and then they get my proto smg to the face along with the heavy 2 feet to my lefts hmg(i always role with the fat boys)...actually if u do that once bet that heavy wont come near u again..he wil make a point NOT to try and jump you lol (in other words get good stop crying) animations for leaving vehicles a good idea yeah NO
It's about making the game feel more realistic. I'm not saying we should have an animation where the guy climbs in, buckles his seat belt, and adjusts the mirrors. Just a quick half second hop over the door into the seat. Or at least having to be in the right location. How can someone standing at the tail of a car instantly be in the drivers seat? Hell, even make it so the doors are a shield you can climb quickly through but can't shoot through. There's animations for climbing ladders. You don't just press a button and appear at the top. The time it takes for this proposed animation would be an incentive not to use cars as a easy ambush mode. People who believe using an LAV in the manner I have previously described is a legit and realistic tactic are either 1) too stupid to understand or 2) lying because they like to abuse this. Period. In a game like dust, there is no argument that can be made with the foundation "realistic = bad".
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Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:33:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Boot Booter wrote:LOL I am guilty of this. My personal crusade to kill other protos requires drastic methods. Plus I was experimenting. I was in a match where you were "experimenting". I, too, was experimenting, with a more flank-favored Militia Scout Suit with a Burst Assault Rifle. Seeing if Scouts were better at longer ranges than in CQC. Turns out they aren't when faced with a Krin's right in their face :/
Haha sorry man I promise I don't usually try to pub stomp with PC gear. At least you didn't run into me "experimenting" with my balac gar AR. If it's any consolance, I lost the krin in that match too. Btw. Use the tac AR for the long range scout thing. The burst is just a weird twisted Gallente version of the upcoming God rifle. |
Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:40:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Boot Booter wrote:Haha sorry man I promise I don't usually try to pub stomp with PC gear. At least you didn't run into me "experimenting" with my balac gar AR. If it's any consolance, I lost the krin in that match too. Btw. Use the tac AR for the long range scout thing. The burst is just a weird twisted Gallente version of the upcoming God rifle. IIRC you lost 5 I was also trying it out to see if I like the Combat Rifle :D
LOL probs did. It's just a Duvolle with a few extra rounds. Not too special. How often do you get one shot with a Thale from some red line sniper? As soon as I break out an officer AR though.. Poo hits fans.
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Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
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Posted - 2013.11.20 01:43:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote: It's funny, when people have a bad argument the first things they attack are grammar and "comprehension." Maybe you're the person who should go back and re-read things. Never once did I single you out as a cry baby. CCP is built around broken mechanics we just have to do what we can to survive until things get fixed or better. With the new HP buff they have definitely been better but I won't stop "crying" until we get all our racial suits and more weapons. I'm sorry that you felt the need to defend yourself over your own mistake, but maybe you should read things twice before you let poopy fall out that open hole in your face.
I never attacked anyones grammer... I said "Get good reading comprehension?" as a joke about the popular "Get good?" saying which is roughly analogous to some people's argument to why some people should stop being cry babies about this subject.
Yeah I agree, instant LAV entering and exiting is a bad mechanic and needs to be fixed. Thats kinda the whole point of this thread.
Not sure what racial variants of heavies really have to do with this but yes, I agree with that too.
Any thing else I can help clear up for you? I am perfectly happy to hold your hand and walk you through all of this. I know reading is tough but together, anything is possible. |
Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
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Posted - 2013.11.20 01:52:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Boot Booter wrote:I never attacked anyones grammer... I said "Get good reading comprehension?" as a joke about the popular "Get good?" saying which is roughly analogous to some people's argument to why some people should stop being cry babies about this subject. Yeah I agree, instant LAV entering and exiting is a bad mechanic and needs to be fixed. Thats kinda the whole point of this thread. Not sure what racial variants of heavies really have to do with this but yes, I agree with that too. Any thing else I can help clear up for you? I am perfectly happy to hold your hand and walk you through all of this. I know reading is tough but together, anything is possible. Imagine this: Driving up to an objective that the enemies got to slightly before you. Get out, which takes 3 seconds. Before you've even opened the door, you're dead.
Yeah probably wouldnt need to take 3 seconds. I was thinking more around 1 second or less. I am not worried about the time; more so following a person moving through space. I am not very fond of aiming at someones dome while in a LAV and then having them appear next to the car guns a-blazing. It just seems kinda unrealistic, no? |
Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
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Posted - 2013.11.20 01:58:00 -
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SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:So... is this a discussion on how to make everyone never spec into LAV's? Because - if you're any good at this game - you'd realize how fast an AR kills. 1 second is already too much time.
HAHA no man!
LAVs would still be very useful even with a 1 second animation. I wish they would make the small turrets more relevant and useful but again thats another topic.
Yeah I know the AR is pretty good..?
Here's a thought maybe an idiot who drives up directly in front of a couple mercs hacking/defending an objective and decides to jump out deserves to be shot in the face?
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Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
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Posted - 2013.11.20 02:09:00 -
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SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:Boot Booter wrote:
Here's a thought maybe an idiot who drives up directly in front of a couple mercs hacking/defending an objective and decides to jump out deserves to be shot in the face?
Here's a better thought - those couple of mercs should of put one guy to check there backs? How can you expect not to die if you don't have visual of your enemies?
Wut? Obviously they are checking their backs... that's not really the point.
The point is instantly appearing out of an LAV is a bad mechanic a gives an extreme advantage to the LAV driver. |
Boot Booter
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Posted - 2013.11.20 18:10:00 -
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TuFar Gon wrote:Boot Booter wrote:TuFar Gon wrote:Ugh!!! Just ugh!! we gotta get around somehow u phuking cry baby btch,,WUT DA HELL!! Can we heavies do anything without u pussssi mediums cryin about it. Here's to missing the point. Cheers. only point Im seeing is u cryin,,grow a pair and PLAY THE DAMN GAME!!
I have grown many pairs thank you. |
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