You're also forgetting the massive nerf to the range of swarm launchers, from 400m to 150m. Sincea

Well lets say for those 45 secs, especially since you are a shield tank, we will say 20 secs to the redline, 10 secs to restock and 10 secs to go back to whatever combat theatre you were in.

Doesn't seem to unreasonable, its all about the measured risk, do you leave 30secs into your hardners or little closer and hope not to be ambushed, once forge guns are nerfed so long as you try and barrel through an enemy squad you'll be fine!

Also consider jf you are tanking properly you will be with an Infantry squad who will be able to cover retreat!

i know, but tanks are for killing, and goodluck killing at 300m, HIT AND RUN, get close, kill, get out.
btw its 175m not 150, and 10% dr not 20
i just want slightly less cooldown on hardeners

....So have you checked the DPS on missile turrets? Offhand I believe it breaks 3000 burst dps, I dont think you'll have an issue getting kills with that.

Also if you want to get close, kill, get out.....why are you not speccing into armor vehicles? That's what they're designed to do.

Thanks for the correction on the Swarm range, I wasn't 100% sure on the exact value. Also, if the reduction is 10% that is inconsistent with infantry damage profiles, and hopefully it will be fixed to reflect that. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/07/weapon-ranges-in-uprising-1.2-and-beyond/

infrantry can respawn near you, av will only focus on you
30-35 seconds seems reasonable

armor is stand and deliver, shield is hit and run.
and i meant killing infrantry, not vehicles.....

nfantry will only spawn in their own lines, if you as a tanker have done your job, they should be forced backed to the uplinks where infantry will finish them of.

Yes AV will focus only on vehicles, but if you leave the theatre your engaged in before the hardners power down you will rarely encounter other infantry based AV.

Of course you may encounter tanks set up as artillery but that is a different matter and all part of the fun!

armor is stand and deliver, shield is hit and run.
and i meant killing infrantry, not vehicles.....

sigh................don't you even realise that gunlogis will have an effective hp of approx 20k for 30 seconds at a time ? yes the cool down is 45 seconds with max skills but if you equip 2 hardeners and a booster then you have a very meaty fit that will only have to back down for 20-30 seconds max at a time. dude learn to fit your tank and run the numbers rather than just looking at stats and crying.

the hulls don't lend them selves to ranges but more to tactics, if you want to play a shield tank up close, feel free, its down to the weapon you mount that will determine your fighting style.

Missile -Hit n Run best with an armour hull due to reloads, need to be able to withstand multiple incursions to theatre in same run.

Rail - Long range not really best with either, both hull types can be used effectively here.

Blaster - Short Range, best with Shield due to the nature of the incursion shield tanks will have a higher resistance to close range infantry AV weaponry!

not everyone will run 2 hardeners av douchebag, it doesn't matter if i have to wait so damm long

hahahah did you call me an AV douch bag hahahah iv been tanking since ohh say at leats since 2 weeks after chrome was released , so I

1. i run 2 hardeners on my maddie
2. you kinda sounded like a douchebag, "dude learn to fit your tank and run the numbers rather than just looking at stats and crying."
3. didn't know you tank, no tears here
4. usually av bash like that
5. sorry

ummm.....read the OP
40 second cooldown with skills, or 35, after module in on cooldown, you'll be killed instantly due to no passives.
go fit a gunlogi with 3900 shields, 2 surge hardeners and a booster, you'll always die as short duration and long cooldown suck, 1 clip of av will destroy a tank with hardeners on cooldown in 1.7, or almost

edit
i mean in seconds not always if you arent around a big corner to block av

im just sick to death with new tankers thinking that they know better than the vets . im also sick of people moaning abpout 1.7 before it even hits . as I said run the numbers and youll find gunlogis will have a very good fitting options and combat effectiveness 1.7 is only the first pass on vehicle changes so settle down.

UmmGǪ listen to what CCP said they're doing with tanks. Vehicle, especially shield vehicles, are not meant to be abl

im not a new tanker, i tanked when hav's were a starter fit, and it looked bad thats why i brought it up.

as I said tankers will have their day in 1.7, but lets all wait and actually see how it pans out.. oh and I wasn't specifically calling you a new tanker its just most of the QQ about havs in 1.7 has came from new tankers who have just looked at the stats and not crunched the numbers.

the problem is when they sneak up on you or hiding, you run, they pop you, etc, it will be a problem

Except Caldari are lacking in PG to fit blasters and Gallente are lacking in CPU to fit missiles. I don't see the obsession with shields...if you want to play close up, use the type of tanking that is best for close up -- Armor. If you want to play long range, play the tanking type that's best for long range -- Shields.

not everyone will run 2 hardeners av douchebag, it doesn't matter if i have to wait so damm long

I really wish people would cut out the misinformation about how hardeners work.

Shield Hardeners - 40% reduction to damage when activated.
Armor Hardeners - 60% reduction to damage when activated.

The modifier is listing .4 for Shield and .6 for Armor as damage reduced by, not damage taken.