I dont care what kind of stomping you prefer. I just went against a group of Latinos Killer Corps with Thales, Isukone assault forge, and Imperial scrambler rifles (with modified controllers) and I personally GUARANTEE that not a single person on my team had ANY fun in that game. Please CCP allow us to que into matches without proto, officer, and perhaps even advanced gear so that there is an option to avoid people that enjoy making this game suck for everyone on the opposite team. At least then you stand a chance at killing your opponent.

All of these weapons should kill very well. But they are intended to be used against gear of around the same meta level, and as it is now a game where you either proto stomp or be stomped, an option to go into a battle where it isn't allowed would make it much more enjoyable for the people that don't have the SP, or want to spend the ISK to compete at that level.

The ISK barrier isn't enough to keep officer weapons out of public matches, and scotty can't tell when a player will do so to put them against a harder team to keep it a good game. Also before proto stompers come in here, it is not stopping you from slaughtering new players. This only brings you down to their HP. You can still kill them in your basic suit with basic damage mods and your basic weapon.

The only down side to this is that it will seperate the players. All the proto stompers will actually have to play against proto players! And all the basic players will actually get decent matches as well.

Two things:

1.) Different levels of gear is not what causes pubstomping. That team would have slaughtered you no matter what gear they were wearing. Matchmaking should be balanced by SP.

2.) And what do you mean modified controllers? Modded controllers haven't worked since beta.

Total war points would be a good way to set up matches . Skill points are actually a random thing ( take Wednesday's for example ) so to base matches on accumulative war points would help to break some of these matches up and place like with like more or less .

Public matches should have use of any weapon , hence the name public . If you think about it , none of the match options could give you a place of rest from being prototype and corporation stomped .

The best way is to calibrate the matchmaking system to go by war points and not gear like suggested , or meta levels ( made a thread a while ago and I was told that meta levels meant nothing ) or total skill points . War points are a good indicator of a person consistency in each and every game that they play because threw that one can ratio out K/D averages , W/L averages and also how good that person actually is at the moment . The better people will have more war points because of there overall consistency but also those who have been playing the longest as well will have more so that seems like a win ... win .

Contract lvl. 1.- Millitia gear only.

Contract lvl. 2.- Millitia and standard gear only.

Contract lvl. 3.- LAV's, HAV's, and DS only. (pilot suits only, sidearms only)

Contract lvl. 4.- Millitia, standard, advanced gear only.

Contract lvl. 5.- Free for all.

This could be fun

Total war points would make it worse as war points is largely based on your role. Logi's get tons, snipers get few. (Just an example)

Contract lvl. 1.- Millitia gear only.

Contract lvl. 2.- Millitia and standard gear only.

Contract lvl. 3.- LAV's, HAV's, and DS only. (pilot suits only, sidearms only)

Contract lvl. 4.- Millitia, standard, advanced gear only.

Contract lvl. 5.- Free for all.

This could be fun

All's fair in Dust wars IMO. We get stomped but that just makes flatlining a proto even sweeter and makes us work harder as a team. Although i would like to know how scotty comes up with these match-ups.

1 No. I have beaten that team and better. The problem is the gear. If its not then what will this idea hurt anyway?
2Modded controllers are still effective with SCR. You can fire about 12 rounds in one second.

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Basically, reduce Aim-Assist as weapon tier increases.
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I dont care what kind of stomping you prefer. I just went against a group of Latinos Killer Corps with Thales, Isukone assault forge, and Imperial scrambler rifles (with modified controllers) and I personally GUARANTEE that not a single person on my team had ANY fun in that game. Please CCP allow us to que into matches without proto, officer, and perhaps even advanced gear so that there is an option to avoid people that enjoy making this game suck for everyone on the opposite team. At least then you stand a chance at killing your opponent.

All of these weapons should kill very well. But they are intended to be used against gear of around the same meta level, and as it is now a game where you either proto stomp or be stomped, an option to go into a battle where it isn't allowed would make it much more enjoyable for the people that don't have the SP, or want to spend the ISK to compete at that level.

The ISK barrier isn't enough to keep officer weapons out of public matches, and scotty can't tell when a player will do so to put them against a harder team to keep it a good game. Also before proto stompers come in here, it is not stopping you from slaughtering new players. This only brings you down to their HP. You can still kill them in your basic suit with basic damage mods and your basic weapon.

The only down side to this is that it will seperate the players. All the proto stompers will actually have to play against proto players! And all the basic players will actually get decent matches as well.

Wrong again.

Squads of good players win over blueberries any day. No matter what the gear. Let me make this clear, a full squad of latinos in militia gear, will still win over 6 random inexperienced bluerries in full proto, hypothetically. So stop fixating on the gear. It is not the cause of the problem.

If you'd like to balance public matches, the only way to do it is by averaging SP of the teams. Not War Points, not restricting gear, not anything else. SP is the closest deciding factor we have.

As for modded controllers with the SCR. You realize it has a charge shot with semi-automatic fire. That's what's happening to you.


As for pubstomping in general, I believe I have a solution here:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1494597#post1494597

I've basically been spamming this thread around, but I honestly feel it is the answer to a few problems we're having.

Basically, reduce Aim-Assist as weapon tier increases.

Benefits include
- Reward skilled players across the board, regardless of gear using
- Slight nerfing of less-skilled players using prototype weapony
- Slight reduction to TTK
- Overall reduction in pubstomping.

When did CCP say that advanced gear was made to run against advanced gear? Or that proto gear is only intended for the use of killing other proto gear.

I'm really sorry to point this out since I think that stomping is as stupid as the next guy but CCP has never claimed that any of their gear is tierd in such a way so as to restrict its use against other gear. Infact they've gone so far as to de-buff higher level gear. Flattening the playing fiield, and making it easier for those in standard/militia gear to compete with people who have protoed everything out.

You clearly were not playing this game during closed beta when the gap between equipment tiers was so monsterous you could drive a HAV through it (an even that was none too infrequent by the way).

The reason these stomps happen, and there really is no other reason, is organization. Players with better gear are typically much more organized and will annihilate a disorganized opponent. It doesn't matter one bit what type of gear the opponent is using. A disorganized enemy who is using proto-gear only takes a minute or two more to red-line then does one in starter fits. Yes the individual skill of those players doing the stomping does figure in, but it is a small piece compared to the overall organization of the team.

Typically when blue dots see a hyper organized squad or too in their midst they tent to follow them about, which means that the blue dots are now (*GASP!*) organized too, thus intensifying the organized squad(s)' effectiveness.

You need to stop spending your time here complaining and organize a squad. You'll do much better and only really get stomped by a more organized squad.

Too complicated.

I think it would better to have simply:

level 1: basic and below only
level 2: adv and below only
level 3: no limits


With increased ISK rewards based on level of match

Even Level 1 only would be better than nothing
I don't think that's too complicated necessarily, but I think with the current Dust population - a three tier system like the one you suggest would probably be better to avoid fracturing the playerbase too much.

So squad A comes in with BPO fits, using their advanced weapons as a 10k isk touch to an otherwise free suit. Squad B comes in with Proto Fits, Proto Weapons (higer damage, higher ROF) and starts by wiping out squad A. Squad A has bee failing mostly due to a slower ROF of a Gek to a Duvolle/Ballocs and it really shows. While a Wyrkomi Hive replenishes 70hp of armor a k17/d hive only does 20hp. It is quite clear what the problem is. Organization has little to do with the issue for the guy at the bottom tier of gear. In a militia fit squad that mostly has relative noobs they get stomped by both Squad A and Squad B. This is new Eden, so what. When you start a toon in Eve you get a bit of protection from older players, no killing the nooblings in the starter systems. It is bad form and frowned upon by Concord, in other words no matter how pricey your ship the PO PO come and blow it up without even a chance for you to fight back.